Shaping London’s economic future

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City Hall -in partnership with London Councils- is working on the London Growth Plan. This is a strategic document about the best way to grow London’s economy for the benefit of all Londoners.  

 Your experience of living and working in London will help them shape the plan. 

 Join the conversation: 

  • How do you see your future in the capital? What do you need to thrive?  
  • What do you like most or least about your local high street, and why? 
  • What does a good job or good place to work look like to you? 
  • What does successful economic growth look like to you? What would make you feel like you’re benefitting from it too?  

Shaun from City Hall’s Economic Development team will be joining in the discussion. 

The discussion ran from 31 July 2024 - 15 September 2024

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Avatar for - Vaquita

With ssuch a late rretirement age aand the growth of aartificial iintelligence it will be ccontinuously more ddifficult for yyoung people to find a ddecent job

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London is already too overcrowded. Population growth is not the answer. When the "high street" is filled with overpriced coffee shops, pavements full of dumped Lime bikes and roads blocked with LTN planters and daily reports of knife and...

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London is already too overcrowded. Population growth is not the answer. When the "high street" is filled with overpriced coffee shops, pavements full of dumped Lime bikes and roads blocked with LTN planters and daily reports of knife and gun crimes I don't have to much hope for a vibrant recovery - business friendly means open streets, zero tolerance policing and private enterprise, not social engineering. 

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All new housing should be built to high standards of energy efficiency with solar panels and heat pumps. There should be more effort to make older homes use less energy and incentives for solar panels on homes and businesses.

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I am lucky that I own my house outright, without a mortgage.  I intend to continue living in this house unless I become so disabled that I need a wheelchair:  the corridors are too narrow for a wheelchair and the stairs are too narrow for a...

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I am lucky that I own my house outright, without a mortgage.  I intend to continue living in this house unless I become so disabled that I need a wheelchair:  the corridors are too narrow for a wheelchair and the stairs are too narrow for a stairlift.  If I have to move, I shall sell the house and buy a ground floor flat with an entrance that is level with the pavement. I think there is such a flat very near my house.

My local high street is Willesden High Road:  it has a variety of good shops.  The nearest supermarket is the Willesden Green branch of Sainsbury's.  It has a very limited range of products compared with other branches such as the West Hendon branch, because it is a single-storey building with a small floor area.  I think that Sainsbury's should replace this building with 2 storeys of supermarket, with a lift to the upper storey and 3 storeys of flats above the supermarket.  I am sure that Brent Council would give planning permission for this.  They have recently given planning permission for a similar rebuilding of 2 community centres which were single-storey and now have 3 storeys of Council flats above them.  The builders have told me that the new flats are wheelchair accessible.  

I think I would not be eligible to live in a Council flat, because I would have too much money if I had sold my house.

My favourite shops in Willesden High Road are Happy Value, Fone Us and Sainsbury's.   

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I am also in a wheelchair. Don't give up on ever getting upstairs before exploring lifts that go through the floor to the room above. It didn't work here because there is decorative coving and other plasterwork that I didn't want to destroy...

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I am also in a wheelchair. Don't give up on ever getting upstairs before exploring lifts that go through the floor to the room above. It didn't work here because there is decorative coving and other plasterwork that I didn't want to destroy, and there is no bathroom on the same level as the bedroom. My big electric wheelchair was a tiny bit too big for their through-the-floor lift. Go to the website of a company called Stitz.

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From my view an economy that relies on growth is mathematically unsustainable. I am interested in learning how an economy based on growth can be mathematically sustainable.

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Hi Zippy, thank you for your comment. While the London Growth Plan will acknowledge that London's population has grown over a number of decades now and is expect to keep doing so organically, it will not necessarily express an opinion on that only. The Plan's focus is more on growing the economy - in terms of more good quality jobs for local populations, more businesses able to succeed in all parts of the city and that Londoners from all backgrounds benefit from that. 

Of course, population growth itself is not inherently a good thing, especially if local services and infrastructure are not appropriately invested in to support that. Do you see any areas or industries that you think should grow or shrink to meet your aspirations for your career and life in London?

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The various London local authorities and the Mayor all seem to have forgotten that the city needs a strong economy if it is to afford to invest in making life pleasant and sustainable. That investment cannot come solely from taxing and...

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The various London local authorities and the Mayor all seem to have forgotten that the city needs a strong economy if it is to afford to invest in making life pleasant and sustainable. That investment cannot come solely from taxing and charging residents. The balance between carrot and stick is all wrong, with far too much stick in the form of ULEZ, road closures and massive hikes in parking charges, and far too little carrot. London must be a good place to do business as well as a good place to live, and the Mayor and councils must realise that stopping climate change is not their responsibility and not within their power to affect. They should concentrate instead on solving the housing crisis, which is their responsibility and is within their power.

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Stopping Climate Change is everyone's responsibility, including the Mayor's.  It is also your responsibility, and mine.

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Stopping Climate Change is everyone's responsibility, including the Mayor's.  It is also your responsibility, and mine.

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Thank you for your comment B3CPres. 

The Mayor has direct powers and a recent mandate to improve London's environment and address public health issues around air quality, active travel and respiratory health for young people in particular. It's true that one impact of this is to limit motor traffic in the capital and use revenue raised to improve London's transport network in the road, for example, by making public transport and active travel options more viable for people to travel to work and leisure. Early research is demonstrating that London's air is becoming cleaner as a result of these interventions.

It's clear that Londoners face many challenges in terms of the affordability and availability of good housing, as you say. This remains urgent as London's economy and population grows. The Mayor has fewer direct powers here, but does work with councils, developers and central government to build more homes in the places they are needed.  

In terms of 'carrots', where do you think there might be missed opportunities to invest to strengthen London's economy? 

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I've been stuck in a flat I don't like (mould, condensation etc.) for over 8 years. No choice, as I rent privately and prices have skyrocketed in recent years. Moreover, every time a political party plans something about housing, it is...

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I've been stuck in a flat I don't like (mould, condensation etc.) for over 8 years. No choice, as I rent privately and prices have skyrocketed in recent years. Moreover, every time a political party plans something about housing, it is always in favour of social tenants. What about me? I am disable, work part time and Universal Credit sucks nearly half of my wage. Road works and buses delays have become "normal" now, as have beggars, thieves and empty high street shops. A&E are a nightmare to attend and it takes on average three months to see a NHS consultant. It used to be funny and culturally enhancing to live in London, not any more.

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I answered the survey as if I was still working. I have only been retired for one week?  Where I live has very good transport links but not for domicelery work if you haven’t got a car? To get from one end of the Borough to another by bus...

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I answered the survey as if I was still working. I have only been retired for one week?  Where I live has very good transport links but not for domicelery work if you haven’t got a car? To get from one end of the Borough to another by bus is very challenging?  It is fine for travelling in to Central London but local transport is limited. 
I now have to adjust to a different way of life? I shall have more leisure time and will hopefully meet up with friends? Go to more exhibitions,visit parks, museums and places of interest.
I think there are too many coffee shops and not enough small independent businesses in my local high street. I know business rates are very high and force some people out? There needs to be more activities for youngsters? If they are kept occupied and motivated they are less likely to cause trouble? 
They need to take pride in their neighbourhoods. All people need to have a bit more pride and respect for where they live? Educate them not to litter. To have manners. To queue. To think about their neighbours. Not to be given so much on a plate for free but have to earn things? You respect things more when you have had to work for them. Teach respect for each other. We all want the same things a decent home, food, education,health and jobs. 

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Many thanks for your comment DEB0. Thank you too for highlighting that the needs and experience of retired Londoners are different when it comes to the economy? What do other community members think? What kinds of things would help ensure that retired and older Londoners are able to benefit from London's economy growing?

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I no longer feel safe on my local high street. Women are harrased and abused for simply being out on their own. 

The choice of shops is poor, so you end up online. Transport is over crowded and expensive for shorter journeys.  Pavements...

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I no longer feel safe on my local high street. Women are harrased and abused for simply being out on their own. 

The choice of shops is poor, so you end up online. Transport is over crowded and expensive for shorter journeys.  Pavements given over to eateries. Negotiating bikes and  scooters on the pavement despite so much investment in cycle lanes.   Pedestrian crossing dont give enough time to safely cross.

Whoever designed a bus lane where you have to cross a cycle lane to board or disembark the bus clearly has no mobility problems. 

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Discussions about transport need to be re-framed. We do need to move towards active transport - which is 'wheeling, walking and cycling' (in that order) and move away from the unhelpful driver V cyclist positioning we see in the headlines...

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Discussions about transport need to be re-framed. We do need to move towards active transport - which is 'wheeling, walking and cycling' (in that order) and move away from the unhelpful driver V cyclist positioning we see in the headlines of certain newspapers. There's far too much stereotyping, eg  'the majority of cyclists break the law'. Cyclists are just like any sub-section of the population. Some are responsible. Some aren't. But we all make mistakes on the roads and we could all slow down and be a bit kinder to each other. 

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Increased policing on the streets not in cars.

More frequent public transport as currently over crowded

Limited shops in local high street and none are big - easier to go to retail parks locally 

Successful economic growth to me is where we...

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Increased policing on the streets not in cars.

More frequent public transport as currently over crowded

Limited shops in local high street and none are big - easier to go to retail parks locally 

Successful economic growth to me is where we see no boarded up shops, more independent and chain businesses, more council run community facilities i.e. swimming and leisure complexes, improved facilities in parks etc

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I love living in London compared to my racist hometown. However, it's just too expensive to live in and as such, I can't enjoy anything the city has to offer. Because of that, living the city is my best bet to live a better quality of life

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I see my future in London being very good. 

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I see my future in London being very good. 

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if the intention is to raise crime and over populate London then it is working.

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The streets here seem much less safe than they were a few years ago. There is no deterrent to crime in our criminal 'justice' system so we are a honeypot for the world's thieves and robbers. The pavements are a patchwork quilt of tripping...

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The streets here seem much less safe than they were a few years ago. There is no deterrent to crime in our criminal 'justice' system so we are a honeypot for the world's thieves and robbers. The pavements are a patchwork quilt of tripping traps and the street lighting in residential roads much too dim. Paying high property taxes and still being asked to pay for green bins is an insult. Our once smart high street is now betting shops and cafes with men (never females) sitting outside all day long smoking and speaking in tongues. Foreign beggars sit in doorways. Shops falling vacant are unwanted by new occupants. New housing plans are making the density of population untenable and the nearby (sacrosanct!) green belt threatened with building upon. Parking is impossible, traffic jammed up, policing sparse and commuting fares prohibitive. All of these factors are a certain pathway to the doom of a city and London is falling faster each year.

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If you have a garden which is big enough to enable you to fill a big green bin, you have enough space in that garden to make your own compost out of your garden waste.  You do not need to use a big green bin!

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If you have a garden which is big enough to enable you to fill a big green bin, you have enough space in that garden to make your own compost out of your garden waste.  You do not need to use a big green bin!

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Rubbish (especially plastic water bottles, junk food wrappers, fast food containers, beer bottles etc), fly tipping, too much traffic, and noisy vehicles (loud motorbikes, diesels) are the main things that bring down our quality of living...

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Rubbish (especially plastic water bottles, junk food wrappers, fast food containers, beer bottles etc), fly tipping, too much traffic, and noisy vehicles (loud motorbikes, diesels) are the main things that bring down our quality of living (Lewisham North). Would love to see creative ways to tackle these issues and strongly deter those responsible, including noise cameras installed on all residential roads that are used as rat runs as unscrupulous drivers really affect sleep quality. 

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Read the scale of the great psychologist Abraham Maslow, please google it, I would consider that London's economy is on the first rung. 

About public toilets? Oh no no no, providing public toilets will prevent people from entering...

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Read the scale of the great psychologist Abraham Maslow, please google it, I would consider that London's economy is on the first rung. 

About public toilets? Oh no no no, providing public toilets will prevent people from entering establishments where they are forced to consume something and then use the toilet.

How do you expect people to be happy when they leave their homes if they are worried about finding a place to pee?

Ridiculous and inhumane, but this is London.

The mayor, together with the Council, is building boxes, calling them "affordable houses" that do not meet the basic requirements for human life.

If you live in one of these boxes, even worse if your house is on a high street, you are subject to some mental illness due to sleep deprivation, due to the poor acoustics of these houses, to having panic attacks due to sleep deprivation and other disorders due to the poor structure of these "affordable houses" that the mayor delivers to the community.

I know what I am saying. Unfortunately, even with a degree in psychology, I am unemployed and living under the Council's administration.

Large apps and websites post phantom vacancies every day, vacancies that don't even exist but need to appear in the searches when you look for work.

Jobs? That do not light any flame in people's hearts.

Anyone who has the slightest ambition to grow not only economically but spiritually knows what types of work elevate the soul and edify the spirit. This type of work has not been offered in this society.

A population full of ambition but without support, can you see a prosperous future for a society that does not even care about the basic requirements for good health? Eat well, sleep well, exercise every day and work on something or some activity that ennobles the soul and warms the heart.

When public managers are really willing to work for the well-being of the population (for real). By providing the population with homes and jobs that ennoble them, London's economy will take off.

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Years ago high streets were filled with big name shops and be causes of the economy they’ve all closed and moved away or those businesses no longer exist. Where I live in Deptford the high street has improved with lots of new businesses...

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Years ago high streets were filled with big name shops and be causes of the economy they’ve all closed and moved away or those businesses no longer exist. Where I live in Deptford the high street has improved with lots of new businesses opening up offering a range of services and places to eat and it would be nice to see that growth continue. 

What I do hate seeing however is the graffiti and tagging that seems to be everywhere which makes the place look unsightly.  I would like to see  more talks with young people to appreciating their neighbourhoods and keeping it tidy etc as well as these cleaned. I don’t mind artistic  Muriel’s that you see in some places 

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I think ‘high street’ is hard to define… we definitely don’t have one in our locality (ie something you can walk to) it’s a couple of shopping centres … the idea of wandering there for a coffee is not something I would do. My high street is...

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I think ‘high street’ is hard to define… we definitely don’t have one in our locality (ie something you can walk to) it’s a couple of shopping centres … the idea of wandering there for a coffee is not something I would do. My high street is soho and that’s a tube ride away! 

To be honest with even that, the amount of cars and lorry’s are such it is sometimes not that pleasant.


Pedestrian only areas (maybe delivery allowed before midday for instance and allow there to be space for outside eating/coffee!

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Very interesting, thanks for commenting Iain.

Do any other community members consider their 'local' high street, shops, pubs etc to be a tube ride or drive away? 

How do we feel about pedestrianisation on high streets? Would it make you more likely to visit or not?

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Pedestrianisation of high streets = much more likely to visit

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There are still too many cars driving around. And pedestrians seem to come last in all traffic schemes. Cyclists are rightly catered for, but a large majority of them ignore red lights/ride on the pavements etc making life dangerous for...

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There are still too many cars driving around. And pedestrians seem to come last in all traffic schemes. Cyclists are rightly catered for, but a large majority of them ignore red lights/ride on the pavements etc making life dangerous for pedestrians.

Public transport is brilliant, but breakdown too often and delays are far too frequent

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Betsy, almost every street has a pavement each side for pedestrians (admittedly nowadays often used for parking). Hardly any streets have cycle tracks, so I would say that the priorities are firstly motorists, then pedestrians, and lastly...

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Betsy, almost every street has a pavement each side for pedestrians (admittedly nowadays often used for parking). Hardly any streets have cycle tracks, so I would say that the priorities are firstly motorists, then pedestrians, and lastly bike riders. If cycling was better catered for, everyone would be better off.

All traffic groups include lawless individuals, but the evidence is that bike riders are, as a group, the most law abiding.

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Someone, you are clearly a cyclist. I'm not sure where you get the 'evidence' cyclists are the most law abiding. Try coming into Central London and sit at a junction and watch almost every cyclist ignore red, ride on the pavement, ride...

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Someone, you are clearly a cyclist. I'm not sure where you get the 'evidence' cyclists are the most law abiding. Try coming into Central London and sit at a junction and watch almost every cyclist ignore red, ride on the pavement, ride through pedestrians on zebra crossings. I could go on. 

There are plenty of segregated cycle lanes that have popped up but remain largely unused in favour of the main carriageway or pavements. 

I know some will say 'another motorist' but I speak from experience through assisting elderly, disabled or vulnerable pedestrians. 

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No, SG65, I travel by public transport, walking and driving. 

You are right that many people cycling break the rules. So do pedestrians. When a bike collides with a pedestrian it is more often than not the pedestrian who causes the incident...

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No, SG65, I travel by public transport, walking and driving. 

You are right that many people cycling break the rules. So do pedestrians. When a bike collides with a pedestrian it is more often than not the pedestrian who causes the incident, often by stepping off the kerb into the path of a bike.

When you next sit at that junction, don’t just watch the bikes. Drivers speed and drive while phoning. They ignore the rules on overtaking. Many drink. They jump red lights, drive and park on the pavement, and drive through pedestrians at junctions. Commercial vehicles are often defective or overloaded. Bad driving is so routine that it passes almost unnoticed. Drivers, not bike riders are far and away the main danger to pedestrians.

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