Off-peak Fridays in London

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903 Londoners have responded | 14/03/2024 - 31/05/2024

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Off-peak Fridays fare trial

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From 8 March to 31 May, off-peak pay as you go fares will be available all day on Fridays on Tube and Rail across London and parts of the Southeast.  

Will cheaper fares on a Friday encourage you to ... 

  • use the Tube or Rail on a Friday, for work or leisure? Why or why not? 
  • swap your usual day(s) of travel to a Friday? Why or why not? 
  • use the Tube or Rail instead of other modes of transport? Why or why not? 

Did you know?

While London's economy has recovered strongly from the pandemic, the number of people travelling on Fridays is recovering more slowly than other days of the week. For example, Tube ridership on Fridays is around 73% of pre-pandemic levels. This isn't the case mid-week, where ridership is at 80-85% and continuing to grow.

This has a knock-on effect on venues that rely on footfall such as London’s art galleries and theatres, as well as hospitality businesses like cafes, bars and restaurants. 

To encourage more Londoners to take the Tube and Rail on Friday, off-peak pay as you go fares will be trialled all day on Fridays. The trial covers the Tube, DLR, London Overground, Elizabeth line and some National Rail services.  

The discussion ran from 12 March 2024 - 31 May 2024

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Why does this does not include travel by bus also. All modes of paid for transport should be included and instead of Fridays, where you have demonstrated least amount of people travel, this should be on a Monday, where the majority of...

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Why does this does not include travel by bus also. All modes of paid for transport should be included and instead of Fridays, where you have demonstrated least amount of people travel, this should be on a Monday, where the majority of people may travel so the majority of people are able to benefit from this.  This needs to be an inclusive benefit, even if only if it is a trial for a short time. 

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The bus doesnt have a peak fare, it’s a flat fare of £1.75

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The freedom pass for OAP should be identical to definition of OAP, so use State Retirement age .

 

And the mainline train pass eligibility in London should be the SAME as freedom pass etc. too.

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The freedom pass for OAP should be identical to definition of OAP, so use State Retirement age .

 

And the mainline train pass eligibility in London should be the SAME as freedom pass etc. too.

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Off peak should be 

05.00-06.30

10.00-15.30

18.30-23.00

M-f, and all weekend obv.

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Off peak should be 

05.00-06.30

10.00-15.30

18.30-23.00

M-f, and all weekend obv.

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this would make a lot of difference to me if it was implemented permanently. 

I have a hybrid job but the recent price hike on the rail fares made me even more inclined to work entirely remotely. The whole point of moving to the suburbs was...

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this would make a lot of difference to me if it was implemented permanently. 

I have a hybrid job but the recent price hike on the rail fares made me even more inclined to work entirely remotely. The whole point of moving to the suburbs was for life to be more affordable, but this on top of everything else is just too much. I am actually trying to move all my meetings and convince other colleagues to work from the office on Fridays just so that we can make the best use out of it while it lasts.

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The Freedom pass concession was temporarily compromised by C-19 all those years ago now frustrating is still made permanent. 

This poorly promoted trial does little. 

We over 60s continue to pay large tax burdens just to live in London yet...

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The Freedom pass concession was temporarily compromised by C-19 all those years ago now frustrating is still made permanent. 

This poorly promoted trial does little. 

We over 60s continue to pay large tax burdens just to live in London yet somehow are made to feel grateful to that we travel for free. 

Nothing is free unless you steal it and avoid persecution. I travel by bus every day and I guarantee the amount of “ I’ve lost my card / it isn’t working / the reader doesn’t work / I’m only travelling a few stops / et al” is astonishing. 

Of course if challenged the miscreant merely waits for the next bus where there is no challenge. 

Why don’t TfL focus on gathering fare revenue more efficiently instead of these meddling schemes?

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I am Freedom Pass holder but several of my regular commitments require me to travel before 9 am on many days. For example, I have a) occasional freelance work commitments b) school "run" duties with grandchildren c) medical appointments in...

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I am Freedom Pass holder but several of my regular commitments require me to travel before 9 am on many days. For example, I have a) occasional freelance work commitments b) school "run" duties with grandchildren c) medical appointments in London hospitals in the early morning.  There are other examples.  These commitments can happen on ANY day of the week and if I can't use a bus, train or tube I have to use my car. Or pay peak ticket prices.  If TfL is committed to reducing the use of cars this scheme has to apply as it did prior to the pandemic.  There are many seniors who work shifts and need to access the transport system well before 9 am.

For travelling into London I would always choose public transport, regardless of the day.  Or the time.

it would be great if this tiny step was part of a strategy to make all travel within London accessible and affordable to all customers.

It will be interesting to see the results of this trial.

 

 

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Why not trial FREE travel for pensioners in the PEAK times?  This may enhance their lives and show how much of a benefit such a change could make.  

However, one other response from jimmuswell suggests you are doing this already?  Where is...

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Why not trial FREE travel for pensioners in the PEAK times?  This may enhance their lives and show how much of a benefit such a change could make.  

However, one other response from jimmuswell suggests you are doing this already?  Where is this documented? Indeed, where is this trial publicised - the email asking for opinions on this is the first and only time I have heard of it.

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The point of these passes is to increase off-peak travel. We don't want old codgers clogging up trains when they're busy. PS I'm 68 so I'm an expert 

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The point of these passes is to increase off-peak travel. We don't want old codgers clogging up trains when they're busy. PS I'm 68 so I'm an expert 

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I don't think this offer was publicised enough. Several of my work colleagues were unaware of the offer.

Also, I wasn't initially aware that I could use my Freedom Pass as part of the offer in a Friday Morning Peak period. This wasn't made...

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I don't think this offer was publicised enough. Several of my work colleagues were unaware of the offer.

Also, I wasn't initially aware that I could use my Freedom Pass as part of the offer in a Friday Morning Peak period. This wasn't made clear.

On the whole, a good idea. Hopefully it will continue.

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This is a fantastic idea to encourage greater use of rail based transport on Fridays in London. It may only save a few pounds on return journeys at most but that saving will add up to quite a significant amount for regular Friday travellers...

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This is a fantastic idea to encourage greater use of rail based transport on Fridays in London. It may only save a few pounds on return journeys at most but that saving will add up to quite a significant amount for regular Friday travellers (it will still add up even for occasional Friday passengers). Also, that pound or two off the fare may just be the tipping point for some people to get out of their cars and use public transport for that commute or leisure time, therefore having a small but positive impact on congestion and pollution. With the cost of living being as it is many people will do anything to save a few pennies. 

This shouldn’t be a trial, it needs to be made permanent. 

It is likely to encourage some people to work from the office on Friday instead of working from home, and will also make leisure travel cheaper which will encourage more people to go out and socialise. 

To further the effectiveness of this trial, could TFL maybe consider reducing the bus & tram fares on Friday too? 

I believe similar trials should be rolled out by councils nationally, especially on buses as regional buses are normally more expensive to travel on than TFL buses. 

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Further to this, if the trial is successful maybe TFL could consider running identical trials on different days of the week? Then if these are successful maybe scrap peak fares altogether and stick to cheaper fares?

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The point of these passes is to increase off-peak travel. We don't want old codgers clogging up trains when they're busy. PS I'm 68 so I'm an expert 

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The point of these passes is to increase off-peak travel. We don't want old codgers clogging up trains when they're busy. PS I'm 68 so I'm an expert 

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The survey was confusing for me as I have a Freedom Pass. The main advantage would be the ability to use public transport, particularly trains and Overground earlier without having to pay.

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This incentivises me and other Londoners to go into the office on a Friday rather than another day, and it reduces the crush in our office on a Tuesday and Wednesday. If this was long term, then it would mean less wasted office space on...

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This incentivises me and other Londoners to go into the office on a Friday rather than another day, and it reduces the crush in our office on a Tuesday and Wednesday. If this was long term, then it would mean less wasted office space on Fridays to accommodate the midweek crush. We are organising more team lunches as well, which means more money for local restaurants and bars.

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it's a tiny step in restoring the free travel freedom pass holders enjoyed before 2020 - meanwhile i'm supporting the campaign for free travel on london's transport systems. makes sense for air quality, for the climate (using less resources...

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it's a tiny step in restoring the free travel freedom pass holders enjoyed before 2020 - meanwhile i'm supporting the campaign for free travel on london's transport systems. makes sense for air quality, for the climate (using less resources to build and run private cars), for better health (which saves money in the nhs), for community spirit...

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Yes but be realistic. Someone's got to pay for TFL, not sure someone in Shetland should be paying for the 69 bus in London 

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Yes but be realistic. Someone's got to pay for TFL, not sure someone in Shetland should be paying for the 69 bus in London 

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If this happendix will it mean we can use the 60+ and Fredeeming passes at peak tinestimable?

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As a Freedom Pass holder it doesn't really have an impact which day I travel. As far as I am aware I would still need to use an Oyster payment before 9.00 am on the bus. What does worry me is when the Conservatives talk about limiting or...

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As a Freedom Pass holder it doesn't really have an impact which day I travel. As far as I am aware I would still need to use an Oyster payment before 9.00 am on the bus. What does worry me is when the Conservatives talk about limiting or getting rid of The Freedom Pass as this would affect/limit the visits to London by older people who spend money in cafes/ exhibitions/ theatre matinees etc. There have been occasions when I have been into town three times in a week. That would be costly without a pass.

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That is why I am asking. If I travel inot town beffort 9am I cannot use my pass. A pass there das that are paid for annually. 

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That is why I am asking. If I travel inot town beffort 9am I cannot use my pass. A pass there das that are paid for annually. 

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Cheaper fares on a Friday will not encourage me to use the Tube or Rail on a Friday for work or leisure, because either I need/want to travel, and I do, or I do not need/want to travel, and I don't. Price is not a determining factor. In any...

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Cheaper fares on a Friday will not encourage me to use the Tube or Rail on a Friday for work or leisure, because either I need/want to travel, and I do, or I do not need/want to travel, and I don't. Price is not a determining factor. In any case, if I were to travel on a Friday, it would probably already be in the off-peak time, so this measure is redundant for me.

 

Cheaper fares on a Friday will not encourage me to swap my usual day(s) of travel to a Friday, because my employer requires me to be in the office Tuesday-Thursday and not on a Friday. Saving a few pence on the Tube or Rail fare will not encourage me to travel in on a day when I would not otherwise want or need to.

 

Cheaper fares on a Friday will not encourage me to use the Tube or Rail instead of other modes of transport. If I can complete a journey by foot in under 40 minutes, I walk. If I cannot complete a journey by foot in under 40 minutes, I use the mode of transport that will allow me to complete my journey fastest. If this is Tube or Rail, I take tube or rail. If this is another mode of transport, I use the other mode of transport. Saving a few pence on the Tube or Rail fare will not encourage me to travel by a mode of transport that I would not otherwise use.

 

This measure is highly unlikely to assist me or affect how or when I travel. It only adds needless complexity to the fare arrangements and foregoes much needed fare income. At best, I might inadvertently save a few pence every now and again.

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I preffer to go out on Friday to meet friends most of them are working so can only come out on Friday to socialise

Friday nights reminds me of the good working experience going out with Colleagues after a stressful week

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It would be a £1.40 saving on a round trip for me. I'd rather pay £1.40 more to go into the office on a different day and WFH on Fridays. None of my team are in the office on Fridays either, so there would be little point in going in.

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It's time to allow Freedom pass use again before 9:30am 

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It's time to allow Freedom pass use again before 9:30am 

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I have got a Freedom Pass. I don't usually travel before it it in operation so it won't make much difference to me. 

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I have got a Freedom Pass. I don't usually travel before it it in operation so it won't make much difference to me. 

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I think this is a great idea. I’ll be swapping my office day to a Friday to take advantage