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Paris' most famous boulevard, the Champs-Elysees, will soon be closed to motor traffic on the first Sunday of every month. Nine other routes will also be pedestrianised every Sunday and public holiday, adding to 13 that already restrict traffic as part of the ‘Paris Respire’ anti-pollution programme.
Would you welcome pedestrianisation or car-free days in central London? If not, why not? What are the main benefits, or otherwise, from your perspective?
The discussion ran from 26 April 2016 - 26 July 2016
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Community Member 9 years agoWhen spaces are closed to traffic it changes the way they feel. It is liberating and gives back a sense of the joy of the space. The peacefulness it embues can have a positive effect on how people feel when they are out, rather than the...
Show full commentWhen spaces are closed to traffic it changes the way they feel. It is liberating and gives back a sense of the joy of the space. The peacefulness it embues can have a positive effect on how people feel when they are out, rather than the hustle and bustle of noisy London. People can learn how they might manage if there were no vehicles and might take more walks if it felt more pleasant. This would help with health through pollution reduction but also more exercise.
Show less of commentcrilis
Community Member 9 years agoI don't believe in traffic free zones. I've seen them in towns where I lived in continental Europe and they invariably led to decline of small businesses and introduction of chain stores. Also, they are a problem at night where they...
Show full commentI don't believe in traffic free zones. I've seen them in towns where I lived in continental Europe and they invariably led to decline of small businesses and introduction of chain stores. Also, they are a problem at night where they encourage people to loiter and generally behave in pretty antisocial ways. A road with controlled traffic is generally more lively and will attract people to use the shops.
What I do like are play streets in residential neighbourhoods (they have them in Germany and The Netherlands) where the roads are designed in such a way that they must slow down (winding the route) and giving children safer opportunities to play outside - and two way cycle traffic in narrow one-way side streets, getting cycles off the main roads and subsequently speeding up the main roads and slowing down traffic in side roads.
Show less of commentlivehere
Community Member 9 years agoCovent Garden is the prime example of an area where small interesting unique shops, young designer's shops, ordinary essential shops, all got driven out by the chain stores. Quant was the first to pay a much higher rent, then the others...
Show full commentCovent Garden is the prime example of an area where small interesting unique shops, young designer's shops, ordinary essential shops, all got driven out by the chain stores. Quant was the first to pay a much higher rent, then the others followed. Covent Garden was a much, much more interesting and alive area to shop and live in before the chains arrived. This had absolutely nothing to do with pedestrianisation, which mostly has not happened in Covent Garden.
Show less of commentRs3
Community Member 9 years agoOn the other hand, this is simple economics.
Increase the footfall and opportunities for profit and firms that can respond more competitively will do so.
I live in an area where the owner of a large highstreet development sees advantage...
Show full commentOn the other hand, this is simple economics.
Increase the footfall and opportunities for profit and firms that can respond more competitively will do so.
I live in an area where the owner of a large highstreet development sees advantage in turning his properties into residential accommodation and has raised the shop rentals ti absurd levels in order to drive them out. Predictably the result will be the conversion of the community into another dormitory suburb with local trade transferred to the 'shopping mall' dominated by 'small premises' chains and coffee shops while what used to be highstreet traders ( small, proprietorial stores; furniture, clothing, shoes, hardware etc) are directed to the nearest business estate dominated by large outlet chains.
Raising rents is merely another barrier to entry for small shopkeepers, and since public opinion is often driven by the perception that progress is measured by the availability of chain stores, highstreets become obsolete.
Show less of commentpgcon65
Community Member 9 years agoA pointless gesture. Either pedestrianise every day or nothing. An occasional day does nothing for the problem of pollution taken in by pedestrians. It might help shops sell more or allow various activities to be staged, but which is not...
Show full commentA pointless gesture. Either pedestrianise every day or nothing. An occasional day does nothing for the problem of pollution taken in by pedestrians. It might help shops sell more or allow various activities to be staged, but which is not the prime purpose
Show less of commentlivehere
Community Member 9 years agoThe West End stores sell less on pedestrianised days that also have events. So the events part has mostly been dropped.
JohnMichael
Community Member 9 years agoThe occasional closure of a minority of roads is a worthless gimmick. This needs to be done on a regular basis with a large number of roads shut to traffic for most of the day e.g. 06.00 to 24.00 hrs and made non through at other times. For...
Show full commentThe occasional closure of a minority of roads is a worthless gimmick. This needs to be done on a regular basis with a large number of roads shut to traffic for most of the day e.g. 06.00 to 24.00 hrs and made non through at other times. For example Oxford street could have access, at low speed limit, towards Oxford Circus and Regent Street only with Access to Piccadilly Circus.
This should also include The Strand and Aldwych, Kensington High Street, Roads around St Pauls and most of the Roads in the City Of London.
The assumption should be to close the street to through traffic unless an exceptional reason is given.
Show less of commentEmailyC
Community Member 9 years agoRegular pedestrian days would be great to experience on particular roads that attract a lot of pedestrians, such as Exhibition Road.
jkeery
Community Member 9 years agoGreat idea if it's a Sunday.
livehere
Community Member 9 years agoWeekends are really bad for traffic in the residential side streets because what feels like the entire population of the suburbs gets into their cars to drive into central London for shopping.
Show full commentTo reduce central London traffic I would focus...
Weekends are really bad for traffic in the residential side streets because what feels like the entire population of the suburbs gets into their cars to drive into central London for shopping.
Show less of commentTo reduce central London traffic I would focus on developing the suburban high streets into characterful, interesting, lively, 'world-class', shopping and entertainment centres. With interesting high quality archicture, and with residential development away from the traffic and deliveries.
Anonymous - account deleted
Community Member 9 years agoYes definitely!
livehere
Community Member 9 years agoAnd what about the residents?
Show full commentAnd what about the residents?
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Official Representative 9 years agoThanks all for your really interesting comments here. The Mayor's manifesto proposes making Oxford Street open to pedestrians only, highlighting the poor air quality along the street. Would you welcome this? What other areas of London would you like to see car-free days in, if any?
livehere
Community Member 9 years agoYou are not giving enough information. HOW does the Mayor propose to pedestrianise Oxford Street??
You cannot re-route the buses and other vehicles onto the residential side streets.
Show full commentYou cannot have the deliveries shifted to late evenings...
You are not giving enough information. HOW does the Mayor propose to pedestrianise Oxford Street??
You cannot re-route the buses and other vehicles onto the residential side streets.
Show less of commentYou cannot have the deliveries shifted to late evenings and night-times.
livehere
Community Member 9 years agoDid the Mayor bother to talk to the local residents' associations before he made that manifesto commitment?
Kronen
Community Member 9 years agoWell a good start would be to pedestrianise the pavements in London first, it is illegal for vehicles to park on pavements in London, it is illegal for any vehicle to drive onto the pavement in this country, only problem is the Police...
Show full commentWell a good start would be to pedestrianise the pavements in London first, it is illegal for vehicles to park on pavements in London, it is illegal for any vehicle to drive onto the pavement in this country, only problem is the Police, local councils, TFL and the GLA point blank refuse to accept any responsibility for enforcing these laws.
Show less of commentlivehere
Community Member 9 years agoI thought it was only illegal if they are an obstruction. And Teresa May forced cuts on the Met, so they are too understaffed to police pavement parking.
Rs3
Community Member 9 years agoMounting the pavement is still an offence,(section 72 of the highways Act 1835) but bizarrely parking on the pavement which must involve mounting the pavement isn't, and prosecution or prevention is now up to the council.
In many areas the...
Show full commentMounting the pavement is still an offence,(section 72 of the highways Act 1835) but bizarrely parking on the pavement which must involve mounting the pavement isn't, and prosecution or prevention is now up to the council.
In many areas the councils feel that prosecution or prevention is NOT in the public interest because it generates such ill feeling against bodies such as the the Police or Trafficenforcemt authorities (eg: traffic wardens).
In my area pedestrian footpaths are frequently blocked by parked cars, but the statistics show that only two or three disabled people a day are inconvenienced enough to complain so it is 'democratic' (ie public opinion is demonstrably in favour) to allow the law to be compromised.
As Bristol has demonstrated, policing parking offences doesn't require officers on the street, merely cameras ,a computer and a willingness to be a target of resentment by those inconvenienced by being caught.
Show less of commentTomE3
Community Member 9 years agoMore car free days in central London would be amazing. There are few reasons not to take public transport through the centre of London and free it from cars would make more room for pedestrians, the spaces would feel more friendly, quieter...
Show full commentMore car free days in central London would be amazing. There are few reasons not to take public transport through the centre of London and free it from cars would make more room for pedestrians, the spaces would feel more friendly, quieter and cleaner and I have no doubt that retailers would welcome this. If people have heavy items to bring back from shops, they could easily arrange a delivery, or go on a different day.
I'm fully in support of extending pedestrianised spaces in London and I believe the arguments I have heard all point towards this being a good thing for retailers, shoppers, air quality and ambient noise.
Show less of commentlivehere
Community Member 9 years agoWhen pedestrianisation involves shifting buses and taxis to the residential side streets, and noisy polluting deliveries to night time, the negative health impacts on residents would be considerable. First you build alternative housing for...
Show full commentWhen pedestrianisation involves shifting buses and taxis to the residential side streets, and noisy polluting deliveries to night time, the negative health impacts on residents would be considerable. First you build alternative housing for the residents and move them out, then you turn the residential properties into commercial ones or better, demolish and rebuild rationally for better traffic management, then you can introduce pedestrianisation.
A cheaper solution is to make it mandatory for delivery vans, taxis and buses to run on lpg fuel or batteries from Jan 2017.
Show less of commentTomE3
Community Member 9 years agoEnsuring all buses and taxis are converted in the next 6 months is utterly unrealistic and it would be vastly more costly than closing a few streets to cars and other vehicles.
Whilst I'm in favour of money going in to converting buses and...
Show full commentEnsuring all buses and taxis are converted in the next 6 months is utterly unrealistic and it would be vastly more costly than closing a few streets to cars and other vehicles.
Whilst I'm in favour of money going in to converting buses and taxis, in my area of London, private vehicles contribute enormously to pollution and I would love to see a comprehensive and integrated strategy employed - I think that the conversion of public transport and taxis to greener fuels is essential but a change to private transport in London is also necessary.
This topic is not about excluding cars on a permanent basis from central London but it is about closing roads on selected days and I fully support this. Given that many deliveries already take place at night, I see no problem in this respect. Key intersections are unlikely to be closed and bus journeys are unlikely to be significantly impacted. Tubes will run as normal.
Show less of commentPenelope Riley
Community Member 9 years agoThere have been deaths and many accidents caused by irresponsible (often arrogant) cyclists. Like responsible car-drivers, responsible cyclists have third party liability insurance: it's only £35 a year with the Cyclists association.
TomE3
Community Member 9 years agoThe decision to close roads to traffic in central London is unlikely to be affected by the take-up of cycle insurance. Cyclists cause a tiny fraction of the deaths and injuries on Britain's roads and are far more likely to be victims...
Show full commentThe decision to close roads to traffic in central London is unlikely to be affected by the take-up of cycle insurance. Cyclists cause a tiny fraction of the deaths and injuries on Britain's roads and are far more likely to be victims themselves but they should of course be considerate and vigilant on the roads.
Show less of commentangus_h
Community Member 9 years agoThe problem with mandatory insurance is, it unfairly penalises the casual cyclists. The day-to-day commuters have no problem with paying £35, but it puts off the guy who gets his bike out of the shed once a month, or the occasional boris...
Show full commentThe problem with mandatory insurance is, it unfairly penalises the casual cyclists. The day-to-day commuters have no problem with paying £35, but it puts off the guy who gets his bike out of the shed once a month, or the occasional boris-biker, or the teenager on the £50 second hand mountain bike.
Show less of commentLondonerFromAbroad
Community Member 9 years agoThanks for asking our opinions, but why re-invent the wheel? Just study what's been done in other cities (Amsterdam, Hamburg, others) and see what works. This is called "best practice" and it's what professionals like architects and civil...
Show full commentThanks for asking our opinions, but why re-invent the wheel? Just study what's been done in other cities (Amsterdam, Hamburg, others) and see what works. This is called "best practice" and it's what professionals like architects and civil engineers do.
Show less of commentPenelope Riley
Community Member 9 years agoIt's good that Terry Vaughan is so passionate about cycling. However, I think the families of those killed by collisions with cyclists in London would consider that not all cyclists consider pedestrians.
Show full commentIt's good that Terry Vaughan is so passionate about cycling. However, I think the families of those killed by collisions with cyclists in London would consider that not all cyclists consider pedestrians.
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Community Member 9 years agoEven one case is too many. Here is a list of recent incidents. See how many were caused by a bike rider.
https://visionzerolondon.wordpress.com/latest-pedestrians-and-cyclists-…
donagga
Community Member 9 years agoPedestrianised zones should be for pedestrians only, not for cyclists. Cyclists typically have zero respect for other road/pavement users and any benefit that would be gained by pedestrianisation would be entirely wasted if cyclists were...
Show full commentPedestrianised zones should be for pedestrians only, not for cyclists. Cyclists typically have zero respect for other road/pavement users and any benefit that would be gained by pedestrianisation would be entirely wasted if cyclists were allowed to use them.
Show less of commentSomeone
Community Member 9 years agoIt's unlikely, I know, but suppose you started to ride a bike. Would you suddenly lose your respect for other road/pavement users?
donagga
Community Member 9 years agoThere is no licensing or testing of cyclists, let alone any policing. I have nothing against cyclists in principle, but my own experience is that a significant minority of cyclists show no respect for other road users or pedestrians. I'm...
Show full commentThere is no licensing or testing of cyclists, let alone any policing. I have nothing against cyclists in principle, but my own experience is that a significant minority of cyclists show no respect for other road users or pedestrians. I'm supportive of cycle lanes, actually, but where they exist they should be mandated. I have been knocked over by cyclists on the pavement even in areas where there were cycle lanes. I have been attacked by a cyclist for daring to call him out for ignoring a clear sign saying "cyclists dismount" in an area of road works (ironically which were there as part of the process to create a new cycle super-highway); in this case he just attempted to mow through a congested area of pedestrians, shouting and swearing at them to get out of the way. My judgement is not based on this isolated incident, but on many such experiences during my 25 years in London.
Show less of commentIf I had ever once seen a cyclist stopped and ticketed by a policeman for reckless riding, or if traffic cameras were able to identify cyclists carelessly sailing through red lights across pedestrian crossings, then I might feel differently.
I say have more provision for cyclists by all means, but enforce licensing (a cycle number plate?) and enforce good behaviour in the same way motorists are policed.
To answer your question more specifically, I cannot cycle due to disability, but I would like to think that I would be a more considerate bike user were that not the case. And we're I able to cycle, I would be perfectly happy to be tested, licensed & policed in the same way as other vehicle users.
Anonymous - account deleted
Community Member 9 years agoBy creating only pedestrian zones, would that mean you would discriminate against disabled people in vehicles? Sounds like it!
keela319
Community Member 9 years agoYes, I believe Pedestrianisation should not just be on Sundays and Public Holidays, but also on Saturdays, and EVERY weekend. What is the point of closing it once?
The improvement in air quality will speak for itself
fumatteo
Community Member 9 years agoPedestrian only areas are a great asset for the cities of the 21st Century as they allow its citizens to own back their city by living it at a different level.
Show full commentPollution reduction is just one of the benefits - the opportunity for more...
Pedestrian only areas are a great asset for the cities of the 21st Century as they allow its citizens to own back their city by living it at a different level.
Show less of commentPollution reduction is just one of the benefits - the opportunity for more social interaction is one of the most interesting, in my opinion
livehere
Community Member 9 years agoI remember social interaction in public spaces - we used to have it years ago. Before central London became so overcrowded and full of traffic. It isn't just being traffic-free or nearly so that makes the difference. Community used to...
Show full commentI remember social interaction in public spaces - we used to have it years ago. Before central London became so overcrowded and full of traffic. It isn't just being traffic-free or nearly so that makes the difference. Community used to happen in central London on Sundays, when there would be a morning free of the millions of shoppers. Suddenly neighbours would become visible on the streets. Without consulting the residential communities, the retail industry and councils decided to maximise shopping and other economic activities in residential areas, to replace series of small local shops with large high street 'names' stores. So between market pressures and the councils, residents lost out. We no longer bump into our neighbours in the local greengrocer or bakers, because they have gone, replaced by either very upmarket shops for the rich from overseas, or by giant stores. We don't meet and chat on the streets because there are thousands of people on them, bent on spending in the shops. All local character has gone, and the most social interaction we get is being snarled out by shoppers or cyclists for being in their way.
Show less of commentlivehere
Community Member 9 years agoPedestrianised areas should be designed-in from the start - it is simply not possible in many areas to just pedestrianise existing roads. I would suggest planned redevelopment of carefully selected suburban areas, to provide greater...
Show full commentPedestrianised areas should be designed-in from the start - it is simply not possible in many areas to just pedestrianise existing roads. I would suggest planned redevelopment of carefully selected suburban areas, to provide greater density of housing, genuinely affordable housing, while increasing green space. Each of these areas should have a pedestrianised 'high streets' area with small shops, restaurants, cafes, bars, clubs plus offices, workshops etc. Leisure centres, swimming pools, skating rinks, sports facilities should provided. Need for school places, GP surgeries and other health services should be carefully assessed, and provided accordingly. These miles and miles of suburban streets of identical low density housing units with not much else provided just have to go.
Show less of commentemspaws
Community Member 9 years agoWhy only do it on occasional days ? Surely if it's worth doing then do it every Sunday ? Or go fully pedestrianise, Would it actually reduce air pollution though I doubt one day a month just on one street will impact this ? Which streets...
Show full commentWhy only do it on occasional days ? Surely if it's worth doing then do it every Sunday ? Or go fully pedestrianise, Would it actually reduce air pollution though I doubt one day a month just on one street will impact this ? Which streets do you mean ? Would public transport be allowed or no vehicles at all? What would be the impact on diversion routes? Benefits are increased health from walking , reduced air and noise pollution, would you allow cycles ? Assume that business would be allowed delivery vehicles before certain times ? Eg 8am?
Show less of commentWould it cost a lot to enforce eg man power to block off the roads etc , would love to see this enforced round schools to encourage kids to walk to school , we need to get kids walking more
livehere
Community Member 9 years agoResidents are battling to stop deliveries being permitted between 8pm and 8am because of the horrendous noise. Kids should not be walking to school until the air is fit to breathe.
Show full commentResidents are battling to stop deliveries being permitted between 8pm and 8am because of the horrendous noise. Kids should not be walking to school until the air is fit to breathe.
Show less of commentemspaws
Community Member 9 years agoWhy only do it on occasional days ? Surely if it's worth doing then do it every Sunday ? Or go fully pedestrianise, Would it actually reduce air pollution though I doubt one day a month just on one street will impact this ? Which streets...
Show full commentWhy only do it on occasional days ? Surely if it's worth doing then do it every Sunday ? Or go fully pedestrianise, Would it actually reduce air pollution though I doubt one day a month just on one street will impact this ? Which streets do you mean ? Would public transport be allowed or no vehicles at all? What would be the impact on diversion routes? Benefits are increased health from walking , reduced air and noise pollution, would you allow cycles ? Assume that business would be allowed delivery vehicles before certain times ? Eg 8am?
Show less of commentWould it cost a lot to enforce eg man power to block off the roads etc , would love to see this enforced round schools to encourage kids to walk to school , we need to get kids walking more