Cleaning up London’s toxic air

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Paris' most famous boulevard, the Champs-Elysees, will soon be closed to motor traffic on the first Sunday of every month. Nine other routes will also be pedestrianised every Sunday and public holiday, adding to 13 that already restrict traffic as part of the ‘Paris Respire’ anti-pollution programme.

Would you welcome pedestrianisation or car-free days in central London? If not, why not? What are the main benefits, or otherwise, from your perspective?

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I find it comical to see that adult mature grown ups actually think its possible to live in a huge city such as London without the need for vehicles and have pedestrianisation all over- perhaps in small areas yes but wont this just create...

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I find it comical to see that adult mature grown ups actually think its possible to live in a huge city such as London without the need for vehicles and have pedestrianisation all over- perhaps in small areas yes but wont this just create pollution in your neighbours area ? Of course it will. By installing a ULEZ in central London will this make the dirty air there move to south London or north London? of course it will not ! By extending the ULEZ to include south London and north London will it decrease pollution there? Of course it will not....Why? its because drivers of vehicle s are not despite what TFL tell you ,totally responsible for londons dirty air-by their own admission motorcycles are only responsible for under 1% of this but TFL want to charge them £12.50 a day the same as cars vans and trucks and yet BLACK CABS WILL BE EXEMPT-WHERES THE LOGIC HERE-I GIVE UP..........

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They say that black cabs will be dealt with via taxi licensing not via the ULEZ regs. Am not impressed. It should be mandatory for cabs, buses and delivery vehicles to be zero emissions - hybrid is not OK as it will not ensure that the real...

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They say that black cabs will be dealt with via taxi licensing not via the ULEZ regs. Am not impressed. It should be mandatory for cabs, buses and delivery vehicles to be zero emissions - hybrid is not OK as it will not ensure that the real pollution hotspots are dealt with.

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Exactly the point ! Sadiq Khan keeps moving the goalposts how can TFL NOT charge Black Diesel Taxis its a disgrace yet he wants to charge Motorcycles.... Hybrid motors too are not exempt it simply does not make sense especially when all...

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Exactly the point ! Sadiq Khan keeps moving the goalposts how can TFL NOT charge Black Diesel Taxis its a disgrace yet he wants to charge Motorcycles.... Hybrid motors too are not exempt it simply does not make sense especially when all sadiq khan goes on about is emissions yet here we are doing a U Turn yet again. ts fine to say they will be affected after new guidelines come in well ok do the same for the rest of us too when the new guidelines come in what a blatant misuse of power !! Its disgusting. So until the Licensing actually happens how many more people will die from diesel fumes by Black Taxis None? Surely not what a hypocrite !

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WOW- Even the mayors own are turning against him but Gareth Bacon is telling the truth lol this is awesome read this- https://www.london.gov.uk/press-releases/assembly/gareth-bacon/ulez-exte...

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Find the Gareth Bacon press release re his criticism of ULEZ extension by putting 'Gareth Bacon' or '‘Clumsy’ ULEZ extension will not tackle worst-polluting areas' in the Talklondon search box. Gareth Bacon's report is called '‘A Breath of...

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Find the Gareth Bacon press release re his criticism of ULEZ extension by putting 'Gareth Bacon' or '‘Clumsy’ ULEZ extension will not tackle worst-polluting areas' in the Talklondon search box. Gareth Bacon's report is called '‘A Breath of Fresh Air’. I have not read it yet but doubt the claims he and TfL make about the 51% projected reduction in air pollution in central London or on Oxford Street. Because being zero emissions at the exhaust is NOT MANDATORY. So cabbies and bus drivers will be on clean fuel some of the time, in hugely constantly varying parts of the ULEZ. NOT in the hotspots, except by rare chance occasionally. There will be a lower reduction in pollution over the whole ULEZ, not where it is most needed. At the cost of thousands of residents suffering ill-health through being kept awake all night by a constant stream of delivery vehicles, with roaring diesel engines that belch out diesel fumes. Where I live that means up to five hours after 11pm, on most nights of the week, of constant vans and huge vehicles, banging, crashing, booming deliveries noise.

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GARETH BACON also says any expansion of the ULEZ to south and North London will only make at best a 10% reduction in pollution there. Now that's a small amount in comparison to the size of the whole of London so a total waste of time surely...

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GARETH BACON also says any expansion of the ULEZ to south and North London will only make at best a 10% reduction in pollution there. Now that's a small amount in comparison to the size of the whole of London so a total waste of time surely! Yet he,s been shut up by the mayor and kept quiet !!
Oh and for delivery lorries at night-if they cant do their job you and I wont get our breakfast or lunch as these guys deliver it all to the shops and supermarkets , fuel to garages, clothes so you can go about not naked etc etc.. even money to the bank so you can buy things

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Could those who suggest no vehiclestell ms how stores,cafes,restaurants theatres,pubs,offices etc are expected to get deliveries then? Dear oh dear what a perfect world it would be lol..

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The Road Freight lobby, government and TfL have long been plotting and planning to get the restrictions on night time deliveries lifted. This will happen with the ULEZ and the pedestrianisation of Oxford Street unless all the residents'...

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The Road Freight lobby, government and TfL have long been plotting and planning to get the restrictions on night time deliveries lifted. This will happen with the ULEZ and the pedestrianisation of Oxford Street unless all the residents' groups mount a powerful protest. It will mean that residents in the centre of London and any other areas where businesses are next to or below flats etc will get no sleep, night after night, 7 nights a week.

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I might be commenting after the horse has bolted but I can't help but feel that a lot of people posting on this site have bought into all of the scaremongering that we are all going to die from respiratory...

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I might be commenting after the horse has bolted but I can't help but feel that a lot of people posting on this site have bought into all of the scaremongering that we are all going to die from respiratory diseases caused by motor vehicles (predominately diesel ones). I would like to make a few observations about the ULEZ:
The start point of charging is surely arbitrary - there is no magic barrier between one side of the North/South Circular or the M25. Toxic fumes travel in the air and are dissipated.
We used to manufacture many things in this country, particularly during the Industrial Revolution, but somewhere along the line our commercial and political leaders decided that it would be better to have the Chinese do it for us, leaving us with crisp, clean air. The Chinese then built new cities and hundreds of coal powered power stations and embarked on a financial splurge on consumer goods and the world's mineral and water rights. The upshot is that their new cities are under a cloud of smog the likes of which we haven't seen since the 1960's. However, this smog doesn't just stay there - it travels around the globe - so the hand wringing about this side or that of the North/South Circular means very little.
The devices you are using to post your comments were invariably manufactured in China and you are not as carbon-neutral as you would like to think. Why do TfL and the local authorities sell the notion that they can reduce emissions on a street by street basis? Why is it that a lot of the roads being closed to through traffic are in more affluent areas, where residents stand to gain from increases in their property value? Why does Kensington & Chelsea have the 2nd longest life expectancy in the country when they have some of the heaviest urban traffic flows?
The much vaunted 9k deaths per year never seems to fluctuate and is never explained in regional differences - those living near the busiest roads should have the highest mortality rates - and the data doesn't filter out respiratory conditions caused by smoking or industrial pollutents and doesn't clearly explain what "early death" is. These are not people dying in the prime of life but they may not be meeting the predicted life-span. The main factor, I believe, is poverty - it kills more people than emissions. Those below the poverty line have a worse diet and more medical complications than those on average earnings and are therefore more susceptible to "early" death.
We do need to plan for the future and reduce (on a global basis) our human detritus but this will need to be done from a much wider perspective than the one adopted by our local authorities and TfL. We badly need the Department of Transport to instigate a review of road and traffic planning in our major cities so that the response is balanced and not the scalpel approach that makes motorists the cancer and local politicians the scalpel.
The main point to remember is that we all need the tansport network for everything we consume. Waging war on commercial diesel vehicles is akin to chewing on your own arm.

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I get very fed up with that term 'early deaths'. It is not used when discussing any other causes of death, I think, or other causes of life-shortening. Car crashes cause early deaths, but they are not described that way.

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If you would address the main issue, I.e. Congestion, then the issue of pollution would go away.
Making difficulties for people to reach shopping centres such as central London will not help the economy nor will spending disproportionate on...

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If you would address the main issue, I.e. Congestion, then the issue of pollution would go away.
Making difficulties for people to reach shopping centres such as central London will not help the economy nor will spending disproportionate on cyclists who do not contribute to the roads as do motorists.

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The air and noise pollution caused by traffic is so high that reducing congestion alone will not bring it down to safe levels.

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The air and noise pollution caused by traffic is so high that reducing congestion alone will not bring it down to safe levels.

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Yes! Please! Hurry! We really need to take more drastic action against pollution in London. Pollution is causing so many health problems and will only begin to improve with strong measures.

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Yes! Please! Hurry! We really need to take more drastic action against pollution in London. Pollution is causing so many health problems and will only begin to improve with strong measures.

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Mr Vaughn- you really are a insulting prat. I will not be bothering to answer your posts in future. I suggest you check the road safety laws including cycle regulations. i do not intend to take up my valuable time looking up laws i am fully...

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Mr Vaughn- you really are a insulting prat. I will not be bothering to answer your posts in future. I suggest you check the road safety laws including cycle regulations. i do not intend to take up my valuable time looking up laws i am fully conversant with.
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You see, TerryM, though you are welcome to prove me wrong, I suspect you are imagining that law, rather as you imagined the causes of those accidents. If it exists, I'd like to read it. I would have thought that with your background you...

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You see, TerryM, though you are welcome to prove me wrong, I suspect you are imagining that law, rather as you imagined the causes of those accidents. If it exists, I'd like to read it. I would have thought that with your background you could easily quote the source to back up your assertion, particularly about a law you are fully conversant with. That would be better than blustering about your superior authority. But you can't, can you? Can you admit you were wrong?

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Mr Vaughan -I just cannot understand the know-alls who seem to think they know better than those involved in picking up the dead and injured at accident scenes. As previously stated i must have dealt with at least 1000 accidents involving...

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Mr Vaughan -I just cannot understand the know-alls who seem to think they know better than those involved in picking up the dead and injured at accident scenes. As previously stated i must have dealt with at least 1000 accidents involving cyclists in my service in the police. The vast majority of accidents involving a cyclist and motorists and HGV's/buses are caused by undertaking by the cyclists, especially at junctions where the HGV etc. is indicating turning left and the cyclist has ignored the indicator or not seen it (modern cars and lorries now have flashing indicators on their door rear mirrors). Cyclists jumping Amber and Red lights are also the main cause of cyclist being involved in a accidents. We have all witnessed the cyclist who comes up the nearside and then stops just in front of you at a junction. A lot of accidents involving cyclists at road junctions is the inability of the cyclist to judge speed of oncoming vehicles and they take a chance crossing a junction. I have no time for motorists who drive too close to a cyclist. I also have no time for the idiots who ride in two's and even threes across the road and refuse to go in single line when traffic is held up behind them. .These sort of oafs cause accidents. Some arrogant cyclists seem o think only they have any rights on the road and become abusive and even violent if they do not get their own way. In the last week i have witnessed two cases where arrogant adult cyclists have smashed into pedestrians on a footway (you will notice it was a footway not a cycle way) It is illegal to ride a cycle with a wheel diameter over 18" and those doing it should be prosecuted. unfortunately there never seems to be a police officer around to witness these offences now. Maybe i should video what I see and send it to my local police. I would attend court with no hesitation, While I agree there are some cyclist who are responsible, others should be banned from our roads. I have cctv cameras front and back of my car.. You would not believe the amount of cyclists and motorist who drop back when they see them. Finally Mr. Vaughan I was a professional police accident reporting officer for over 23 years and i would put by knowledge of cyclist accidents as far superior to yours. Terry M

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TerryM - I'm sorry to say this, but it is worrying that you were able to hold public office. Your belief that the vast majority of bike accidents involving motorists are the fault of the rider is not borne out by accident investigations...

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TerryM - I'm sorry to say this, but it is worrying that you were able to hold public office. Your belief that the vast majority of bike accidents involving motorists are the fault of the rider is not borne out by accident investigations. Nor, incidentally, by my own experience. I'm not really surprised that your views reflect the institutional hostility to cycling in some parts of the police service, but you really ought to try cycling yourself to understand modern traffic conditions.

There is one point that perhaps you can help me with though. Can you quote the law that permits small-wheeled bikes on the pavement? I was not aware of that.

It is safer for bike riders to treat red lights as give way signs when turning. It gets them clear of careless drivers. This is why more enlightened countries now permit it.

When you claim that twice in a week you witnessed a bike 'smashing into a pedestrian', frankly I don't believe you. But if you have evidence, and it was the bike rider's fault, I hope you do take it to the police. Just as you should when you witness a bike rider being injured by illegal driving. Or doesn't that ever happen in your world?

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Paris looks more like a camping site now.
During weekends Central London is nearly car-free. There are only buses and taxis and very little other traffic.

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Near the city maybe, but the shopping areas have congestion all weekend even worse than during the week.

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7.40pm. Covent Garden. The road I have to cross (The Strand) is closed off on Sunday. That means there'll be no bus to get to Willesden Green or Camberwell Green. I only know this because I managed to get to Robert Dyas for a brush (they...

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7.40pm. Covent Garden. The road I have to cross (The Strand) is closed off on Sunday. That means there'll be no bus to get to Willesden Green or Camberwell Green. I only know this because I managed to get to Robert Dyas for a brush (they did not have one) this afternoon. Well, I'll be stuck here. Don't worry, I have my medications! As a Yorkshire woman by birth, it was good to stagger to Trafalgar Square for le Tour. Please, please. please think about the people who live here. We are not all rich.

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In fact, most of us are not rich.

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Yes, it's obvious from an environmental / climate aspect.
From social aspect as well. Far too many have have little idea who their neighbours are, travel cocooned in a car and bury their nose in a smartphone the rest of the time.
If people...

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Yes, it's obvious from an environmental / climate aspect.
From social aspect as well. Far too many have have little idea who their neighbours are, travel cocooned in a car and bury their nose in a smartphone the rest of the time.
If people are forced out of their cars once a week they might start to see why some of us despair of the car addiction that is a not insignificant part of climate and pollution crisis.

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pjohnatherton,
I sympathise with your dislike of some peoples' car addiction but my point is that we are throwing the baby out with the bathwater. We need to discourage PRIVATE car use in cities - it's mostly unnecessary - but we must...

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I sympathise with your dislike of some peoples' car addiction but my point is that we are throwing the baby out with the bathwater. We need to discourage PRIVATE car use in cities - it's mostly unnecessary - but we must allow commercial vehicles to keep the economy moving. Daytime Monday-Friday traffic is predominately business oriented and to deny it road space and freedom of movement is to undermine London's position as a major centre of commerce.

Obviously we would all like a cleaner, fresher, quieter city but this requires time, money and expertise. We must have a strong economy in order to meet the environmental and logistical challenges that we face. You can't have one without the other.

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When the economy was much stronger nothing was done to meet the environmental and logistical challenges, and boosting the London economy should NOT be used as an excuse to go on dragging feet on this major health problem.

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Did anyone else hear radio 4's Costing the earth" programme on the fact major cities such as Paris and Turin have electric cars for hire on short journeys instead of bikes? This solves all the concerns I have about meeting the needs of the...

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Did anyone else hear radio 4's Costing the earth" programme on the fact major cities such as Paris and Turin have electric cars for hire on short journeys instead of bikes? This solves all the concerns I have about meeting the needs of the disabled drivers, parents with children, commuters who in Paris are afraid of terrorism on the Metro. It is not so much private cars but diesel-belching buses, cabs and endless delivery vans which cause appalling pollution throughout Greater London. I would advocate electric cars for the elderly and disabled making local journeys and bikes for all the able-bodied.

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So these electric cars in Paris and Turin are bomb-proof? Or will terrorists not want to blow them up because they are environmentally friendly? You seem to be ignoring the fact that while no practical alternative to Diesel engines...

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So these electric cars in Paris and Turin are bomb-proof? Or will terrorists not want to blow them up because they are environmentally friendly? You seem to be ignoring the fact that while no practical alternative to Diesel engines currently exists for busses and large vans, it DOES exist for cars, and sales of new diesel CARS could be brought to an end IMMEDIATELY. Sadly that isn't going to happen.

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Nothing is bomb proof. There are practical alternatives to diesel and petrol driven buses and taxis, and delivery vans. It is a matter of having the political will to put in the essential infrastructure for electric vehicle charging, to...

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Nothing is bomb proof. There are practical alternatives to diesel and petrol driven buses and taxis, and delivery vans. It is a matter of having the political will to put in the essential infrastructure for electric vehicle charging, to push the industries into more development of the alternatives, to provide suitable financial support for black cab companies and owners to shift to clean fuels, and to set a date for banning the internal combustion engine, soon.

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The pedestrianisation of Oxford Street is the perfect metaphor for all the wrong-headed, woolly, muddled, piece-meal thinking that pervades transport policy making in the capital.

The idea of pedestrianisation is to REDUCE CONGESTION and...

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The pedestrianisation of Oxford Street is the perfect metaphor for all the wrong-headed, woolly, muddled, piece-meal thinking that pervades transport policy making in the capital.

The idea of pedestrianisation is to REDUCE CONGESTION and POLLUTION.
It would do neither. It would simply divert traffic into surrounding areas and neighbourhoods.

I would like to propose a radical solution to London's congestion and pollution.

1. To prevent congestion, sweep away all the current restrictions on traffic movement in London. That's right - all the one way streets, road barriers, road narrowing's, no entry signs, all the impenetrable council estates with no through roads etc. Over the years these restrictions have been created in a completely haphazard ad hoc way and are no longer fit for purpose. All they do is displace traffic issues to neighbouring locations in the worst sort of nimbyist excess. Any traffic schemes or restrictions should require a democratic mandate and a higher council tax charge for beneficiaries.

2. Introduce a variable congestion charge on peak time travel. Easily done and requires no new technology. TFL monitors millions of vehicle journeys every day and can easily predict peak road use in real time. Variable charges could be flagged on websites, apps or roadside displays. Also dramatically reduce congestion charge exemptions - if you want to drive a cab around London all day - you have to pay more. Also use the congestion charge to discriminate between high and low polluting vehicles so vehicles over 10 years old pay (much) more than vehicles under 5 years old.

3. Pollution - announce an end date for the sale of internal combustion engine vehicles in the UK say 10 - 12 years from now. Not as wacky as it sounds - the Dutch parliament has already considered such a proposal as has Norway. In the meantime remove VAT from electric vehicles and double the VAT rate on diesel vehicles with an intermediate rate for petrol. Use the higher taxes to fund the build out of an on - street electric vehicle charging network.

All of these ideas are relatively low cost and easy to implement and would have a dramatic impact on pollution and congestion.

Lastly we need a proper tube network to serve the entire capital. Currently over 90% of the tube network is North of the river and that's not good enough. The rest of London needs at least four new or extended tube lines and there is currently a proposal for just one - the Bakerloo line which we are promised some time in the next 20 years.(although note the US embassy gets an extension at first asking).

City Hall needs a rocket under it. The painful anti-car narrative that pervades all its thinking simply does not work and we desperately need some fresh and innovative solutions.

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Has anyone thought of he gridlock road closures cause to the surrounding roads, London is an ancient city with narrow roads, as soon as one road blocks or is closed the whole area quickly becomes congested.

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Has anyone thought of he gridlock road closures cause to the surrounding roads, London is an ancient city with narrow roads, as soon as one road blocks or is closed the whole area quickly becomes congested.

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An excellent idea. It would reduce pollution and remind those who don't realise, how easy and pleasant it is to walk, rather than use a car. It is the healthy option and might encourage people to get rid of their private cars, which one...

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An excellent idea. It would reduce pollution and remind those who don't realise, how easy and pleasant it is to walk, rather than use a car. It is the healthy option and might encourage people to get rid of their private cars, which one doesn't need in London. I have got rid of mine and I save money and am healthier.

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As a regular viewer and occasional contributor to this discussion, and as someone who drives a Diesel engined van in London on a daily basis (Mon-Fri) breathing in the toxic filth which I help create, listening hourly to warnings on the...

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As a regular viewer and occasional contributor to this discussion, and as someone who drives a Diesel engined van in London on a daily basis (Mon-Fri) breathing in the toxic filth which I help create, listening hourly to warnings on the radio (LBC) that 1000's like me die prematurely every year from heart and lung conditions caused by pollution, and as someone who has his 20 year old son working with him every day and risking the same consequences, I'd like to make a few points.

I'm really sick of hearing this debated and am stressed by the potential harm we are all apparently at risk from.
I am apalled that the Mayors office and/or TFL continues to grant licences to new minicab drivers whose exploding numbers are adding to the congestion and pollution.

If it's as serious as we are constantly told will someone somewhere PLEASE TAKE SOME IMMEDIATE AND ACHIEVABLE ACTION?

My suggestion would be to introduce an immediate ban on any new minicab licences being granted to anyone who does not intend to use a hybrid electric car for this service. I would say all-electric but I do not believe a viable option currently exists.

I would ensure all minicabs are henceforth required to pay the Congestion Charge from which they are, unlike me and all other commercial vehicles, currently exempt. I believe this would reduce the number of minicabs clogging our roads as it would make the jobs financially unviable.

I would urge the Mayors office to seek out manufacturers offering non-diesel powered commercial vehicles for sale, to promote these, and even ban the use of diesels in London where AFFORDABLE petrol and hybrid alternatives are readily available. I would hope London's market for such vehicles is sufficiently large to persuade manufacturers to produce and offer such alternatives. Electric vehicles are currently unaffordable and do not have the practical range required by small independent operators like myself and I do not relish the prospect of any measures being introduced that would drive out small and independent transport operators like myself to be replaced exclusively by large corporate organisations.

I would welcome your comments as feedback is essential, and I urge all contributors to read through all previous posts before placing their own, and comment, support or oppose them, rather than repeating them and adding to the ever lengthening thread.

I would also like to see more response to the points raised here by the Mayors Office as it does feel like we are not being seen and responded to which is deeply frustrating and defeats the point of our speaking out.

Best Regards to you all - John H

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I also think that this problem should be tackled with a greater sense of urgency. Pedestrianised areas and the idea that people should avoid the most highly polluted areas are little more than pretending to deal with the issue.

I agree...

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I also think that this problem should be tackled with a greater sense of urgency. Pedestrianised areas and the idea that people should avoid the most highly polluted areas are little more than pretending to deal with the issue.

I agree that cabs, including black cabs, should be low emission vehicles and not privileged over other vehicles. Everyone who has to walk, cycle or drive among smoky diesels, whether buses, lorries or private cars, is likely to support firmer action.

We also need to make it possible for more people to cycle, so they don't add to the problem.

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Hi John H and Terry,Thanks for your post. Throughout July over 15,000 Londoners took part in the first stage of the Mayor’s consultation on proposals for cleaning up London’s air. This discussion thread formed part of that consultation (along with other discussions and one main survey) whilst the consultation was open. We’ve kept it live since, for discussion to continue, and we will continue to feed in insights gathered to the transport policy team.All results from round 1 of the overall consultation will be published soon – and we’ll be sure to update the Talk London blog as soon as we can. The Mayor’s team are currently reviewing all the feedback from Londoners and stakeholder organisations, before deciding on next steps. There’ll be a further round of consultation with Londoners during the autumn to drill down into how the measures that are supported should be implemented, fulfil legal requirements for public consultation for these types of measures, and place them in the context of work already being done e.g. on cycling infrastructure. Here’s the Mayor explaining a little more on that.There were some results that were able to be acted upon immediately – with a decision to provide alerts to the public on high pollution days, after 4-in-5 Londoners said they’d like to receive them.  The Mayor has also announced the introduction of Low Emission Bus Zones, prioritising the greenest buses on the worst polluted routes as part of wider work to reduce emissions from the capital’s bus fleet.Hope this information is helpful.

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Maddriver if you ever dare to ride once a bike, you would never dare to share hateish comments against one of the most healthiest ways of commuting

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I would very much like London to try car free days following the Paris initiative and also to start a programme of widespread pedestrianisation. To promote pedestrianisation, we need to move forward with the creation of a network of quiet...

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I would very much like London to try car free days following the Paris initiative and also to start a programme of widespread pedestrianisation. To promote pedestrianisation, we need to move forward with the creation of a network of quiet, low polution public transport to get people from A to B. Greener commercial vehicles too. What I personally want is a quieter, cleaner, healthier environment for people to live and work in.
I've seen some exchanges here about conflicts between cyclists and those who are walking. There is plenty of scope for this conflict, but I think taking the cars out of the equation where possible could help in starting to tackle the problems. Many cyclists take to pavements because they are frightened of being on the roads or frustrated by being stuck behind vehicles breathing fumes. I used to do it myself before I felt I had to give up cycling in London altogether. Pedestrians then feel their safety is compromised, which it sometimes is, but it must be possible to create shared walking/ cycling spaces as they have elsewhere. Lots to do.

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We can add that pedestrians can invade roads with traffic at any point and any moment, but frightened cyclist who had their cycle way invaded by cars or even the lack of it cannot invade pedestrian pavements. That is completely selfish from...

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We can add that pedestrians can invade roads with traffic at any point and any moment, but frightened cyclist who had their cycle way invaded by cars or even the lack of it cannot invade pedestrian pavements. That is completely selfish from pedestrians and they should try to cycle more often due its much more healthier and faster to commute, even bikes can carry the heavy shopping.

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