Cleaning up London’s toxic air
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Paris' most famous boulevard, the Champs-Elysees, will soon be closed to motor traffic on the first Sunday of every month. Nine other routes will also be pedestrianised every Sunday and public holiday, adding to 13 that already restrict traffic as part of the ‘Paris Respire’ anti-pollution programme.
Would you welcome pedestrianisation or car-free days in central London? If not, why not? What are the main benefits, or otherwise, from your perspective?
The discussion ran from 26 April 2016 - 26 July 2016
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Community Member 9 years agoThe main problem in central London is the air and noise pollution caused by delivery vehicles, taxis and buses. Not so much the cars. Any pedestrianisation certainly needs to cover cohesive areas, not just one or another street. If Oxford...
Show full commentThe main problem in central London is the air and noise pollution caused by delivery vehicles, taxis and buses. Not so much the cars. Any pedestrianisation certainly needs to cover cohesive areas, not just one or another street. If Oxford Street only were to be pedestrianised, the traffic would be awkardly displaced to residential side streets, making them completely uninhabitable. You would have to pedestrianise a wider area for part of the day, allowing deliveries during set daytime hours only. I don't think you could fully pedestrianise central London areas - some kind of slow electric or lpg transport would have to be provided within the pedestrianised area - perhaps on key routes leading to the periphery of the area where bus routes would start. Quite definitely no night time deliveries should be allowed as residents need to sleep.
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Community Member 9 years agoWhether cars or commercial vehicles are the main cause of poor air quality has to be determined by research. Maybe you are right, maybe not.
But in any case the presence of large numbers of cars clogs the roads and discourages 'active'...
Show full commentWhether cars or commercial vehicles are the main cause of poor air quality has to be determined by research. Maybe you are right, maybe not.
But in any case the presence of large numbers of cars clogs the roads and discourages 'active' travel. That keeps the number of unnecessary car journeys high.
Case studies have repeatedly shown that traffic is not displaced in the long term. It soon evaporates. It will be interesting to see if the same thing happens when car free days are introduced.
Your point about key routes is a good one. This is how filtered traffic streets work - roads are for through traffic, streets are for access only except for bikes and pedestrians.
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Community Member 9 years agoI would absolutely welcome this as a small step towards improving London's air quality. It would be interesting to compare the particle / NO2 levels in these areas on car-free days and regular days; using the nowcast maps at londonair.org...
Show full commentI would absolutely welcome this as a small step towards improving London's air quality. It would be interesting to compare the particle / NO2 levels in these areas on car-free days and regular days; using the nowcast maps at londonair.org.uk for example would highlight just how much our air is affected by traffic.
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Community Member 9 years agoThis should be discernable from the air monitoring stations data. Though the one near where I live was out of action for some years (it being one of the major pollution hot-spots), and even now I cannot find its data online.
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This should be discernable from the air monitoring stations data. Though the one near where I live was out of action for some years (it being one of the major pollution hot-spots), and even now I cannot find its data online.
If past daily data records are available it should be possible to compare Oxford Street data on the traffic-free days with the normal traffic days. There was at least one traffic free day a year there between 2005 and 2012, for Xmas shoppers.
The 2013 traffic-free 'VIP' day was mysteriously cancelled in 2013.
You might be interested to read this about Oxford St pedestrianisation:
http://saferoxfordstreet.blogspot.co.uk/2013/11/why-did-nwec-really-kil…
And this is what wikipedia says about Oxford St air pollution levels, which are staggeringly high:
Show less of commentIn 2014, a report by a King's College, London scientist showed that Oxford Street had the world's highest concentration of nitrogen dioxide pollution, at 135 micrograms per cubic metre of air (μg/m3). However, this figure was an average that included night-time, when traffic was much lower. At peak times during the day, levels up to 463 μg/m3 were recorded – over 11 times the permitted EU maximum of 40 μg/m3.[55][56] Because of the diesel-powered traffic in the street (buses and taxis), annual average NO2 concentrations on Oxford Street are around 180 μg/m3. This is 4.5 times the EU target of 40 μg/m3 (Council Directive 1999/30/EC).[57]
gazbag7
Community Member 9 years agoYes I think this would be a great idea
mlscons
Community Member 9 years agoI have seen more than enough injuries caused by speeding cyclists amongst pedestrians, some of them severe particularly where small children are concerned. Brakes on cycles are not really very efficient etc etc.
I concur with Alan's...
Show full commentI have seen more than enough injuries caused by speeding cyclists amongst pedestrians, some of them severe particularly where small children are concerned. Brakes on cycles are not really very efficient etc etc.
I concur with Alan's remarks regarding segregation of cyclists and pedestrians - absolutely essential
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Community Member 9 years agoJust a few car free days are not going to help. I am more keen for a plan to reduce them to the absolute minimum required. Every day. Also permanently car free places and routes for people to walk and shop freely. There are so many...
Show full commentJust a few car free days are not going to help. I am more keen for a plan to reduce them to the absolute minimum required. Every day. Also permanently car free places and routes for people to walk and shop freely. There are so many pavements that are overcrowded in London.
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Community Member 9 years agoPedestrianisation certainly - CYCLISTS I N THOSE ZONES CERTAINLY NOT. The mixture of people and cyclists is just as dangerous as people and cars. Cyclists in the main are quite frankly seeming immune to any regulations and would therefore...
Show full commentPedestrianisation certainly - CYCLISTS I N THOSE ZONES CERTAINLY NOT. The mixture of people and cyclists is just as dangerous as people and cars. Cyclists in the main are quite frankly seeming immune to any regulations and would therefore speed amongst pedeestrians with potential disastrous results.
Show less of commentAlanMoore
Community Member 9 years agoI do know what you mean about the behaviour of some cyclists, although you'd be much more likely to survive a collision with one of them than with a car! And in most cases the cyclist would come off worse - further to fall.
I think perhaps...
Show full commentI do know what you mean about the behaviour of some cyclists, although you'd be much more likely to survive a collision with one of them than with a car! And in most cases the cyclist would come off worse - further to fall.
I think perhaps segregation would still be ideal, though :-)
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Community Member 9 years agoThe purpose of these zones would be to improve air quality. Bikes don't pollute the air, so there is no justification there for excluding them. There might perhaps be a case on safety grounds. But statistics show that your comparison is...
Show full commentThe purpose of these zones would be to improve air quality. Bikes don't pollute the air, so there is no justification there for excluding them. There might perhaps be a case on safety grounds. But statistics show that your comparison is quite wrong. You are about 100 times more likely to be killed on the pavement by a driver than by someone on a bike. And investigations show that most accidents involving bikes and pedestrians are the fault of the pedestrian. Many bike riders are seriously hurt by their carelessness. Pedestrians are immune to regulation, after all. So we might say there is more reason to exclude them than bikes, though I think separate bike tracks would be a better solution.
You may not have noticed, but as a group, drivers are far and away the most lawless road users. That's why they injure and kill so many people, as well as poisoning them.
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Community Member 9 years agoFully support this. The more frequent and extensive the better.
Anonymous
Community Member 9 years agoThe authorities should take into account those that live in central London more. In the summer access to my car is blocked by events nearly every other weekend. This prevents day trips to the countryside and visits to relatives for the...
Show full commentThe authorities should take into account those that live in central London more. In the summer access to my car is blocked by events nearly every other weekend. This prevents day trips to the countryside and visits to relatives for the family
Show less of commentAlanMoore
Community Member 9 years agoI also live fairly centrally. I find the way round such problems is to use mostly trains and occasionally a Zipcar. Takes a little more effort but it's totally possible.
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Community Member 9 years agoExactly my point - and remember it is the residents and businesses who pay - not those strolling in when they feel like it,
SR
Community Member 9 years agoTotally depends on which streets. Also am a little concerned about disabled or elderly people with mobility problems who rely on cars - this could discriminate against them being able to enjoy London every month
Someone
Community Member 9 years agoPrioritising cars over other forms of transport creates disability.
rfcallway
Community Member 9 years agoWe should also be working to support making more residential roads regularly 'closed' to cars to encourage children to get out and play out more, as in Hackney and Kingston. See http://www.essentialsurrey.co.uk/Families/play-streets/ and...
Show full commentWe should also be working to support making more residential roads regularly 'closed' to cars to encourage children to get out and play out more, as in Hackney and Kingston. See http://www.essentialsurrey.co.uk/Families/play-streets/ and www.londonplay.org.uk
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Community Member 9 years agoAs a first step to more ambitious plans, Sunday-free cars should definitely go ahead. As soon as people will start realising how much space cars take up and pollution they inflict on other road users, the public opinion on their absolute...
Show full commentAs a first step to more ambitious plans, Sunday-free cars should definitely go ahead. As soon as people will start realising how much space cars take up and pollution they inflict on other road users, the public opinion on their absolute necessity might change.
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Community Member 9 years agoIt just shifts the congestion and pollution onto adjacent residential streets. A comprehensive re-working of transport and traffic is needed, over a wider area.
Show full commentAnd some pressure should be taken off the centre of London through careful...
It just shifts the congestion and pollution onto adjacent residential streets. A comprehensive re-working of transport and traffic is needed, over a wider area.
Show less of commentAnd some pressure should be taken off the centre of London through careful, well-designed, development of high streets throughout Greater London.
Jasmineb
Community Member 9 years agoYes I think that occasional car-free days would be very good on, say, Regent Street and Oxford Street. It would be good for the shops as well.
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Community Member 9 years agoMr Moore i see has a lot more to say on this subject than many others and does have a very strong opinion to the extent where he is dismissive about what others think.
Show full commentThe planning job is in the hands of planners and engineers. You can...
Mr Moore i see has a lot more to say on this subject than many others and does have a very strong opinion to the extent where he is dismissive about what others think.
Show less of commentThe planning job is in the hands of planners and engineers. You can make a plea, a case but allow others to freely express their view as opposed to be imposing.
We respect your views and so should you when you respond, Be caring rather than put across yours is the prevailing view.
History very much is one to reflect on. Limit movement and you will start to grind to a halt that will start to hurt the very fabric of life.
Holland has been quoted as an example. Comparatively, Amsterdam is a much smaller place with far fewer people and the Economic significance not on par with London. The strides made by London as a City compared to Amsterdam from the days when both were competing to conquer the world are well documented. If the view is we have fewer people around than that leads to a falsehood from reality. London, if anything at all given the news today in The FT about how the Universities are expanding, is vibrant, continues to attract people and that must not be allowed to die.
Planners and Engineers, please free up the space, allow movement and mobility to enhance London's reputation as a Centre of Excellence for Business, Politics , Sport, Cultural activities ( theatres, Museums, Cinema, Restaurants, music), Media and a place of hope for the many who come here.
AlanMoore
Community Member 9 years agoDon't get me wrong, I'm a petrolhead and I'm definitely not against free movement - quite the opposite. And I don't mean to be dismissive of all opposing views. But I do get frustrated at the lazy assumption that the only way to achieve...
Show full commentDon't get me wrong, I'm a petrolhead and I'm definitely not against free movement - quite the opposite. And I don't mean to be dismissive of all opposing views. But I do get frustrated at the lazy assumption that the only way to achieve free movement is the private car!
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Community Member 9 years agoI think we can continue to enhance London and its reputation while - and indeed BY - changing the way we move around. At the moment every street is lined with parked cars.. the air is foul.. there are huge traffic jams every single day. And...
Show full commentI think we can continue to enhance London and its reputation while - and indeed BY - changing the way we move around. At the moment every street is lined with parked cars.. the air is foul.. there are huge traffic jams every single day. And at the same time the populace are getting sick through inactivity and pollution.
Amsterdam isn't perfect and it is smaller, but many of the principles are still applicable. Let's make a change for the better: turn the streets over to people, use clean, green and as far as possible ACTIVE travel solutions like electric trams, moving walkways, walking and cycling. We need to move into the 21st century, not back to the 1970s.
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Community Member 9 years agopoor traffic flow is a major contribution to pollution in London, to pedestrianize more areas forcing all forms of traffic into narrower over crowded roads is a complete joke and TFL and London councils should be taken to task at the way...
Show full commentpoor traffic flow is a major contribution to pollution in London, to pedestrianize more areas forcing all forms of traffic into narrower over crowded roads is a complete joke and TFL and London councils should be taken to task at the way they are running London streets
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Community Member 9 years agoI own a car and I enjoy driving it occasionally. However, I WELCOME and support the pedestrianisation of Oxford Street.
Show full commentIt is not a God-given right to drive one's car into central London. Of course, measures must be taken so that the...
I own a car and I enjoy driving it occasionally. However, I WELCOME and support the pedestrianisation of Oxford Street.
Show less of commentIt is not a God-given right to drive one's car into central London. Of course, measures must be taken so that the surrounding streets are not clogged by the traffic which would be displaced from Oxford St.
That said, I still don't understand why some streets are being narrowed, making traffic worse than it is now, or why cycling lanes are not being built on quieter roads, instead of main roads, which would make cycling safer for cyclists and car traffic flow better.
We will not get rid of cars entirely in a large city. But we can make it better.
Please bring back trolley buses!!! They're electric, quiet and do not pollute. They used to be everywhere in London until the diesel engines got its way.
AlanMoore
Community Member 9 years agoI can explain part of that.. the reason the cycle tracks are being built on the major routes instead of quieter roads is because those are the ones TfL controls. The side roads belong to a mishmash of different local boroughs which all have...
Show full commentI can explain part of that.. the reason the cycle tracks are being built on the major routes instead of quieter roads is because those are the ones TfL controls. The side roads belong to a mishmash of different local boroughs which all have different rules and priorities.
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Official Representative 9 years agoHi both,There is some work to create new cycling provision on quiet streets too. Take a look here.Hope that's helpful.
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Community Member 9 years agoPedestrianisation takes no account of those with mobility issues. Pavements on main thoroughfares in London are wide and accommodate crowds. I am strongly against these proposals. Buses and taxis should be permitted at all times, and...
Show full commentPedestrianisation takes no account of those with mobility issues. Pavements on main thoroughfares in London are wide and accommodate crowds. I am strongly against these proposals. Buses and taxis should be permitted at all times, and delivery vehicles at limited times, taking due note of small businesses who do not have the possibility of employing staff at night or other unsocial hours to deal with deliveries to them and orders out.
Show less of commentAlanMoore
Community Member 9 years agoAgain, I agree there must be provision for the mobility impaired.
livehere
Community Member 9 years agoBut we are to have all-night underground trains at weekends (no doubt to be extended to all week in the future). One main reason for this innovation is to increase the London night-time economy - as in an overall increase in economic...
Show full commentBut we are to have all-night underground trains at weekends (no doubt to be extended to all week in the future). One main reason for this innovation is to increase the London night-time economy - as in an overall increase in economic activity, not just spreading it out over longer hours. Businesses are planning to stay open 24 hours at weekends. As they will not be making the congestion charge cover 24 hours, we will no doubt have deliveries all night long. So residents will suffer from sleepless nights caused by tube trains noise, revellers and shoppers noise, deliveries noise, taxis noise and yet more cars during the night. Not to mention the extra air pollution.
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Community Member 9 years agoi myself am disabled and i cannot use public transport or walk for more then a few yards without discomfort if you make car free zones then what would you offer for people like me would you ensure that a constant supply of mobility...
Show full commenti myself am disabled and i cannot use public transport or walk for more then a few yards without discomfort if you make car free zones then what would you offer for people like me would you ensure that a constant supply of mobility scooters are available in these areas in sufficient numbers where we would be expected to park thats why i have a mobility car
Show less of commentAlanMoore
Community Member 9 years agoI do agree provision should be made for the disabled, yes. I don't know what exactly, I'm not an expert, but I bet it could be done without using private cars. Or perhaps permit a very few badge holders?
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Community Member 9 years agoI use my car to travel to Central London every Sunday, because the church of which I am a member is there. It is not far from Oxford Circus.Travelling by car is the only practical means of transport for me to get there. I do not travel in...
Show full commentI use my car to travel to Central London every Sunday, because the church of which I am a member is there. It is not far from Oxford Circus.Travelling by car is the only practical means of transport for me to get there. I do not travel in on any other days.. Making areas car-free would be an absolute obstacle. I therefore oppose it.
Mixing bikes and pedestrians is not a good idea either, for obvious safety reasons.
Show less of commentAlanMoore
Community Member 9 years agoYour car is NOT the only practical way to get to Oxford Circus! How ridiculous.
Anonymous - account deleted
Community Member 9 years agoSo having you driving a car around Oxford Circus, one of the most polluted areas in Europe, is o.k. safety-wise, but mixing bikes and pedestrians isn't?
Even assuming that your vehicle produces no emissions (which would be the exception...
Show full commentSo having you driving a car around Oxford Circus, one of the most polluted areas in Europe, is o.k. safety-wise, but mixing bikes and pedestrians isn't?
Even assuming that your vehicle produces no emissions (which would be the exception, not the rule), which would do you think would be more harmful to a pedestrian in case of an accident, a bike or a car?
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Community Member 9 years agoI have worked in London and lived in Outer London for well over 35 years. I haven many changes to roads and buildings adjoining them.
Show full commentLondon as a hub not only for UK based people but travellers from all over the Globe is ahead in many...
I have worked in London and lived in Outer London for well over 35 years. I haven many changes to roads and buildings adjoining them.
Show less of commentLondon as a hub not only for UK based people but travellers from all over the Globe is ahead in many respects from other Cities of the World.
The transport systems are multi-fold. We have air traffic, rail- both surface and underground-, road network used by all forms of vehicles including bicycle's ( assuming they can be classed as such now that some are on electric motors) and also people walking up and down.
As a "older" City, some of the open space to allow mobility is limited in the core area and not so much in the suburbs as expanding out in the later have of the 20th Century allowed planners to take account of the fact the mechanically propelled engine had replaced the horse driven carriages. Movement of people as a result accelerated.
Having said the above, in my view and i accept that this may not be universally held by many, London drives the UK economy the most, is a political centre for the Government, has a higher concentration of people leaving on a per sq foot basis compared to the rest of the UK, is a connecting point for many travellers ( has probably got the highest concentration of hotels than any other City), restricting traffic flows by pedestrianisation and other forms of narrowing roads by the expansion of paths and restriction of parking spaces will ultimately start to impact on Economic life resulting in dropping sales with less collection of tax by the Government, dropping employment as few people will be hires as businesses will close as is the case with BHS and Austin Reed, just this week, if profits disappear, landlords scrambling around for new tenants of lesser quality franchise, banks looking to recover amounts lent where the servicing of loans becomes an issue. more reduction as a consequence in Governmental revenues from Tax, and the spiral once set in will be difficult to dis-mantle.
Road and open space planning engineers have a broader duty than working on "green credentials" as the very fabric of life and its many facets in a wonderful City like London will be squeezed out. In writing this comment i am very much making a plea to the planners, please don't see Road users as a problem as no right minded person would want to deliberately cause damage ( any form), its more a "need to" and London must remain open for business to those who help create wealth by bringing their ideas taking risks help create jobs and continue to make the City as one of the most attractive in the World for all sorts of people to come to.
AlanMoore
Community Member 9 years agoNonsense. People can move around perfectly well without queues of cars on every tiny road - better, in fact. And if you make the centre of London a more attractive place to BE, might that not encourage MORE visitors and their business?
livehere
Community Member 9 years agoBusinesses have been known to relocate to greener and cleaner cities elsewhere rather than stay in polluted London. And so many times I have overheard tourists complaining about the noise and stinking air pollution in the West End. Green...
Show full commentBusinesses have been known to relocate to greener and cleaner cities elsewhere rather than stay in polluted London. And so many times I have overheard tourists complaining about the noise and stinking air pollution in the West End. Green, clean and quieter is the way to attract and keep businesses and increase tourism in London. Green and healthy credentials is the broadest and primary duty.
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Community Member 9 years agoI think Car Free zones are a good idea. However, like it or not, provision must be made for the displaced motor traffic. Cars are an inevitable part of our life. Pedestrians need to feel safe and comfortable in the car free zones, but this...
Show full commentI think Car Free zones are a good idea. However, like it or not, provision must be made for the displaced motor traffic. Cars are an inevitable part of our life. Pedestrians need to feel safe and comfortable in the car free zones, but this shouldn't be at the expense of the motorist. Adequate alternative routes need to be provided to keep the traffic flowing.
Show less of commentAlanMoore
Community Member 9 years agoDisplaced?? Removed. It absolutely should be 'at the expense' of anyone who was thinking of driving to the shops on Oxford Street. They need to leave the car at home and get the tube, train, cycle.
Cars are NOT inevitable. They're a...
Show full commentDisplaced?? Removed. It absolutely should be 'at the expense' of anyone who was thinking of driving to the shops on Oxford Street. They need to leave the car at home and get the tube, train, cycle.
Cars are NOT inevitable. They're a terribly inefficient way of moving people around a crowded city, especially in the centre.
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Community Member 9 years agoI was thinking about traffic on a larger scale, not just someone driving to the shops. There is legitimate traffic that needs to come to the West End. Buses, taxies, delivery vans, emergency vehicles, Public service vehicles. These all have...
Show full commentI was thinking about traffic on a larger scale, not just someone driving to the shops. There is legitimate traffic that needs to come to the West End. Buses, taxies, delivery vans, emergency vehicles, Public service vehicles. These all have to go somewhere.
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