Intermediate housing
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A key part of the Mayor’s strategy to address London’s housing crisis is to increase the number of genuinely affordable homes in London. Genuinely affordable homes include homes at social rent levels, as well as intermediate homes for Londoners who are unlikely to access homes at social rent levels, but may struggle to afford private rents or buy a home.
Such schemes are typically aimed at working-age Londoners. The main types of intermediate homes supported by the Mayor are shared ownership homes and London Living Rent. The amount of funding available and the type of housing it can be used for in London is restricted by central government.
City Hall is keen to understand what Londoners think of intermediate housing, to help shape the Mayor’s policies in this area.
What role could intermediate housing play to tackle London’s housing crisis? What can be done to improve the experiences of those Londoners living in intermediate housing? How important is it for information to be published on how intermediate housing is allocated, and who gets prioritised?
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The discussion ran from 04 August 2020 - 17 December 2020
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Community Member 4 years agoI'm in shared ownership and I feel like I'm trapped. We haven't been able to save up to buy any more of the property and when we sell we have to give 1% of the total property value to the housing association (if they sell it) meaning we...
Show full commentI'm in shared ownership and I feel like I'm trapped. We haven't been able to save up to buy any more of the property and when we sell we have to give 1% of the total property value to the housing association (if they sell it) meaning we will probably move out in a worse position than when we moved in and meaning we will have to move to another shared ownership property. I thought these schemes were to help people like us, but I feel like I've been scammed!
I wish pocket homes were an option, but alas we're considered 'homeowners'.
Show less of commentSydLon2000
Community Member 4 years agoI totally agree with you @Emmieloulou.
My financial situation having bought SO has felt more expensive, more worrying than ever.
I too, won't be able to stair case, as the up keep charges and rent keep going up and up each year, with very...
Show full commentI totally agree with you @Emmieloulou.
My financial situation having bought SO has felt more expensive, more worrying than ever.
I too, won't be able to stair case, as the up keep charges and rent keep going up and up each year, with very little transparency on where the money is being spent. We ask, they never tell! (There should be a law against that)
The company that own our building aren't helpful and have done a lot of things wrong. This scheme was sold as "helping people wanting to be home owners" but it's not true, it's convoluted, things change all the time as well and so many hoops to jump through.
It's honestly been a burden that I do regret going into. Unless it changes it doesn't encourage me to want to be part of the SO community.
Show less of commentBornOnGowerStreet
Community Member 4 years agoShared ownership is not a good option unless it is properly regulated. The last one I looked at (in Deptford) was charging over £200 a month for service charges. The best way to help people feel more secure would be to introduce rental...
Show full commentShared ownership is not a good option unless it is properly regulated. The last one I looked at (in Deptford) was charging over £200 a month for service charges. The best way to help people feel more secure would be to introduce rental systems like the ones people have in Germany and the Netherlands - once you are in, you're in unless the landlords family want to move in or you cause a lot of trouble as a tenant. When the owner dies, the tenancy gets inherited and the tenant doesn't have to move. If housing is not going to be made genuinely affordable (rent / mortgage at a 30% rate of take home income), which it is not in London, then why not just make renting better?! This would also allow people who want to buy to be able to save up for it. There is no point at all doing still-expensive schemes (shared ownership in Deptford, £600+ mortgage, £300+ monthly household bills, £220 service charge for a studio flat) if rent costs do not allow people to save up to buy these places.
Pocket Homes has the best model, although still too expensive and a bit too small (plus some seem to use Secure by Design rules and getting into the flats feels like entering a prison). Also self-build, co-housing needs looking at. These are fantastic models which offer opportunity for more communal outdoors space. and mutual neighbour / community support.
Shared ownership is a poor halfway house. What needs to happen is what Pocket Homes do - homes for sale are only allowed for sale to people who are going to live in them - this gets checked on regularly. This means that already-rich landlords cannot purchase them and charge high rents. Homes would cease to be commodities and have to be homes. Any rental homes should be council housing / key worker housing /be genuinely affordable rents. We all know what's needed - bold actions and landlord regulation. This is another survey, about another halfway measure that is not really going to help anyone.
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Community Member 4 years agoI have managed shared ownership properties for a large housing association and it appeared to be the worst of both worlds, expensive to buy a share and a % of market rent for the other portion. Service charges and ground rent were at 100%...
Show full commentI have managed shared ownership properties for a large housing association and it appeared to be the worst of both worlds, expensive to buy a share and a % of market rent for the other portion. Service charges and ground rent were at 100% level even if you owned say 20% of the lease and paid market rent on the 80%. New build properties were often shoddy with the housing association struggling to enforce defects liability on the developer. Ground rents escalated, any changes to the lease e.g. buying another share (stair-casing) had excessive legal charges attached. It was a money making machine for the larger corporate style housing associations and did not prioritise key workers enough.
Why glorify home ownership at the expense of secure and genuinely affordable tenancies? It works on mainland Europe and could work here if politicians weren't so much in the pocket of property developers.
Stop demolishing council estates in the name of regeneration, to be replaced by "mixed" developments (i.e. predominantly private sale with some token shared ownership). Build new social rent housing and make home ownership the less attractive option.
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Community Member 4 years agoI am not a fan of shared ownership and certainly would not wish to take on the burden of paying a mortgage and rent, as well as the additional service charges and other incidentals.
Show full commentI believe generally that house prices should be capped...
I am not a fan of shared ownership and certainly would not wish to take on the burden of paying a mortgage and rent, as well as the additional service charges and other incidentals.
Show less of commentI believe generally that house prices should be capped, foreign investment be restricted and private rents capped. It's not just key workers who need a home. Those on minimum wage yet who provide a valuable service in London also need somewhere to live.
Lords London
Community Member 4 years agoThank you for this forum. I am a recently graduated nurse due to be evicted from my home by my Charity landlord next week on the 23rd when the government COVID-19 restrictions are lifted. This, after actually opting-in to care for COVID...
Show full commentThank you for this forum. I am a recently graduated nurse due to be evicted from my home by my Charity landlord next week on the 23rd when the government COVID-19 restrictions are lifted. This, after actually opting-in to care for COVID-19 patients. I am grateful for the opportunity of an education, yet stressed as to where I will go.
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Official Representative 4 years agoHi Lords London
We're sorry to read about your situation and hope you're OK.
We have shared your comment with our housing team, who have told us that "Although the Government’s ban on evictions will come to an end on 23rd September, landlords wishing to pursue eviction are required to issue a ‘reactivation notice’ to re-start eviction proceedings. Depending on when notice was served, tenants will also have between three and six months’ notice to vacate their property once an eviction notice has been served. We would strongly advise you to seek expert advice as soon as possible from an organisation such as Shelter or Citizens Advice, who can make you aware of your rights and legal position with regard to your landlord. You can also find more information about your rights as a tenant during the Covid-19 pandemic on the City Hall website: https://www.london.gov.uk/coronavirus/rights-renters-and-landlords-during-coronavirus"
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emdad72
Community Member 4 years agoIntermediate housing definitely will play its important part in housing crisis specially in central London and surroundings. Rent need to keep with people's income level so that they can live in a balance way that they are not going on debt...
Show full commentIntermediate housing definitely will play its important part in housing crisis specially in central London and surroundings. Rent need to keep with people's income level so that they can live in a balance way that they are not going on debt or under poverty. Now a day, rent in private housing sector is too high and needed to put down such a level that people can living in their home happily and can save to buy their home at the end.
Show less of commentSalmas
Community Member 4 years agoOur Council Leader here in Ealing has a flat for essential workers despite earning ££££££££ and having his mother in law living there, and she is hardly an essential worker (and he has a big house in the borough elsewhere). Sticky fingers...
Show full commentOur Council Leader here in Ealing has a flat for essential workers despite earning ££££££££ and having his mother in law living there, and she is hardly an essential worker (and he has a big house in the borough elsewhere). Sticky fingers.
If you do give subsidised housing to an essential worker, what happens if they leave that job? Do you end up with 'tied housing' like in the past ? where if you got made redundant/sacked, you became homeless?
Show less of commentRed007
Community Member 4 years agoVery valid point! Yes housing sale corruption should be recouped, or atleast capped on profit and taxed on profit made on a resale especially if a Local authority staff!
Very valid point! Yes housing sale corruption should be recouped, or atleast capped on profit and taxed on profit made on a resale especially if a Local authority staff!
DAllison
Community Member 4 years agoI think it's important that any shared ownership scheme has provisions to avoid the property being sold on and eventually ending up as a buy to let - I see this as a huge problem for London - too much of the property is in the hands of too...
Show full commentI think it's important that any shared ownership scheme has provisions to avoid the property being sold on and eventually ending up as a buy to let - I see this as a huge problem for London - too much of the property is in the hands of too few people
Show less of commentrogerj
Community Member 4 years agoAbsolutely agree with DAllison - and passionately. The Tories of course will resist; let's see if Sir Keir can get it together!
Show full commentAbsolutely agree with DAllison - and passionately. The Tories of course will resist; let's see if Sir Keir can get it together!
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Community Member 4 years agoHow can Sadiq Khan help solve London's housing problems when he's one of the people bragging about increasing London's population by millions? We actually need a revolution here, our politicians aren't serving us.
Show full commentHow can Sadiq Khan help solve London's housing problems when he's one of the people bragging about increasing London's population by millions? We actually need a revolution here, our politicians aren't serving us.
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Community Member 4 years agoWe will always have a housing crisis while all mainstream political parties support this decades long unprecedented, unsustainable, and rejected by the voters, mass migration. As well as governments finally banning that subversive policy...
Show full commentWe will always have a housing crisis while all mainstream political parties support this decades long unprecedented, unsustainable, and rejected by the voters, mass migration. As well as governments finally banning that subversive policy they should ban overseas investors buying any British housing stock and buildings with cultural, historical or other importantance. Everything else is tinkering around the edges while ignoring, deliberately, the huge elephant in the room.
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Community Member 4 years agoIm not sure I understand why anyone would encourage shared ownership with a private company who retains the freehold? 'Shared ownership' (renamed 'Intermediate housing'?) doesn't work as a concept as prices are driven by demand and...
Show full commentIm not sure I understand why anyone would encourage shared ownership with a private company who retains the freehold? 'Shared ownership' (renamed 'Intermediate housing'?) doesn't work as a concept as prices are driven by demand and supply. This system simply gives more money and more ownership to wealthy landlords.
Capping the profit property developers and landlords can make (and reinvesting into communities) and encouraging community house building cooperatives could be a better solution - empower the people who chose to call this city their home.
Alternatively, given the cost of borrowing is so cheap at the moment, public investment in good quality social housing would make a greater difference than the strange concept of shared owership.
If housing is in short supply in the capital, perhaps we could prioritise housing for key workers, artists and creative industry?
Oldmanwrs
Community Member 4 years agoMuch as I understand the need for affordable housing it will never happen while we have rich building companies being given all the contracts and reducing the number of buildings which will be let at a reasonable/affordable rent. The other...
Show full commentMuch as I understand the need for affordable housing it will never happen while we have rich building companies being given all the contracts and reducing the number of buildings which will be let at a reasonable/affordable rent. The other problem faced here in Romford is the saturation on new builds that will bring major problems regarding pollution, and the inability of the infrastructure to cope. Roads around Rush Green were often at a standstill prior to lockdown particularly during rush hour and when Queens hospital appointments were due! As things return to normal the roads are already getting overcrowded and with the impending massive building programme around here in the near future the Mayor needs to take another look at what his pressure to build more housing is going to do here before it is too late. A green area within the hospital boundaries is going to become housing instead of a pleasant nature rich area for the staff and patients to have a chance to chill out. I have not seen so many butterflies and insects since the park was taken from us to become a hospital and that enabled rich builders who could then replace the old hospital, Oldchurch, with high rise flats.
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Community Member 4 years agoEveryone should be treated equally. I have no faith in the government when it comes to housing. As a recently ex-homeless person. I was given a chance to get off the streets. Probably the worse decision I ever made. with a housing benefit...
Show full commentEveryone should be treated equally. I have no faith in the government when it comes to housing. As a recently ex-homeless person. I was given a chance to get off the streets. Probably the worse decision I ever made. with a housing benefit cap, I have been forced to pay a large portion of the rent from my benefits, leaving me relying on food banks to survive. I will return to the streets. I don't see a future where someone like me will get a chance at affordable housing. And to prioritise a group is just another kick in the teeth.
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Community Member 4 years agoHousing should be treated as a source of social utility not private investment. That it has been used in the latter way is a key component of the crisis that we are now in, In other words decent housing should be recognised as a human right...
Show full commentHousing should be treated as a source of social utility not private investment. That it has been used in the latter way is a key component of the crisis that we are now in, In other words decent housing should be recognised as a human right. It is not an artefact which particular factions of the population should be awarded as a privilege. What is a key worker ? In reality the working class operates within the social division of labour as an interdependent whole. The notion of "key worker" amounts to a revamp of the distinction between "deserving" and "undeserving". What is needed is council housing built in house by local authorities at rents which are set according to the actual levels of people's income. Fictions like the "London Living Rent" have to be regarded as an insult to the English Language. and abandoned. The right to buy also has to go.It is a principle cause of the present crisis. It is about time that the left was prepared to assert that there is nothing wrong with renting a property from your local authority. It is socially beneficial in a way that.the possessive individualist dream of a private property owning democracy is not. Of course to do this requires local councilors with a grasp of civic responsibity, not people who are prepared to do deals with private property consortia. To start with local councilors should take time out to read and take lessons from John Boughton's "Municipal dreams : the rise and fall of council housing" (2018) together with the author's blog of the same name. Also it is about time that controls were enforced upon the private housing sector such that its rents and conditions of tenure became comparable to those which are, just about, still available to council tenants. It is straightforward political intervention that is needed, not the managerialism which is so characteristic of the Mayor's approach
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Official Representative 4 years agoHi everyone and thank you for sharing your views in this discussion on intermediate housing.
What would make you recommend intermediate housing to your family or friends?
Should more information on how intermediate housing is allocated be made available, why or why not? What would be the benefits of this?
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deadorchid
Community Member 4 years ago1. Abolish leasehold without delay, as per Law Commission's unequivocal recommendations. England and Wales are the last Western democracies to abolish this financially exploitative, unjust feudal system. Commonhold now, leasehold never.
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Show full comment1. Abolish leasehold without delay, as per Law Commission's unequivocal recommendations. England and Wales are the last Western democracies to abolish this financially exploitative, unjust feudal system. Commonhold now, leasehold never.
2. Ban punitive forfeiture clauses. How does it make sense that shared owners risk forfeiture & eviction simply for making interior design changes without permission from the landlord? How does it make sense that landlords and HAs can impose extortionate "admin fees" to grant permission to shared owners to make changes to their own properties?
3. Thoroughly reform housing associations and landlords, or remove them where they do not serve any function except as an added layer of costs and bureaucracy. There should be NO complex, opaque and impenetrable arrangements where the freeholder is separate from the leaseholder and the managing agent is another third party. This is a big cause for spiralling service charges, that reflect the replication of nonsensical admin and management fees.
4. Government oversight on costs is badly required. There should be a cap on service charges that currently have no upper limit. Remove ability for HAs and developer to put off provision of audited accounts indefinitely using Section 20b. Mandate through legal & formal channels that cladding remediation is paid by developers, HAs or councils. Leaseholders, tenants, residents should NOT have to pay for historic defects caused by lax state regulations on material standards and fire safety. This includes legislatively protecting leaseholders from any and all costs incurred by the Building Safety Bill - we should bear no costs, not even vaguely defined "affordable costs".
5. Simplify processes for RTM and access to tribunals and other legal routes to fixing dodgy housing. Centralise complaints processes and provide coherent, reliable legal support to leaseholders.
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Community Member 4 years ago6. Tie developers, HAs and council performance metrics on interim housing residents satisfaction rates and complaint resolution rates to their ability to build or manage further properties. If a developer has history of shoddy construction...
Show full comment6. Tie developers, HAs and council performance metrics on interim housing residents satisfaction rates and complaint resolution rates to their ability to build or manage further properties. If a developer has history of shoddy construction e.g. estate with repeated safety, communal water, power, heating failures, this should be reason to delay or withdraw rights to future construction and investment. Failure to remediate cladding should result in the same withdrawal of permissions.
7. Remove rights for shared owners who have staircased to 100% to rent out properties. This contradicts the spirit of shared ownership, further restricts access to first time and young buyers, and adds another dangerous layer of opacity to already complex layers of stakeholders that means responsibilities and liabilities can be evaded.
8. There is no sound reason why overseas investors should have any access to the interim housing market. Zero good reason. Zilch.
Show less of commentraymund73
Community Member 4 years agoAll families allowed to buy only 1 house, affordable home. Not allowed to rent the whole property out. Must live in the property. Overseas buyers not allowed, second home not allowed ( buy under affordable home), house prices capped, zone 3...
Show full commentAll families allowed to buy only 1 house, affordable home. Not allowed to rent the whole property out. Must live in the property. Overseas buyers not allowed, second home not allowed ( buy under affordable home), house prices capped, zone 3/4 250k(3 bedrooms), zone 2 350k(3 bedrooms). Then automatically, the rental market will cool down. Then first time buyer like myself could afford to buy. There are so many ways the councils and the government can help its citizens but they don't do what is right. Demand is high but supply is limited, and yet first time buyers cannot get a home. There are many ideas and methods that can solve the issue but again, everyone must think alike. We live in a society where money is given more importance. The more money you can get from your property, the better ( very sad state indeed). That is why you find people buying up property like hot cakes! Each time a person buys more than one property (per family), then the supply gets even lesser. This is the issue.
Linda Reilly
Community Member 4 years agoI agree somewhat. When I first lived in social housing, there was no shame in it. People from all walks of life lived in council flats, including professionals. Why can't we go back to not seeing social housing as some kind of dustbin...
Show full commentI agree somewhat. When I first lived in social housing, there was no shame in it. People from all walks of life lived in council flats, including professionals. Why can't we go back to not seeing social housing as some kind of dustbin for undesirables. Thatcher wanted people to own their council houses so they would have mortgages around their necks and wouldn't be able to strike. Then, as you say people became greedy and sold on for more money and the properties fell into the hands of private landlords.
Show less of commentJames McDonald
Community Member 4 years agoAs housing costs in London are subject to basic laws of supply and demand, is enough being done to imaginatively encourage the private sector to provide more accommodation to increase supply in London? Expanding the rent a room allowance...
Show full commentAs housing costs in London are subject to basic laws of supply and demand, is enough being done to imaginatively encourage the private sector to provide more accommodation to increase supply in London? Expanding the rent a room allowance significantly would be one incentive. Imposing a limit on foreign ownership of London housing should be analysed. Overseas, the London residential market is seen as an asset class to invest in, but does this reduce the availability of housing to those who live and work in the capital? Switzerland restricts the sale of second homes to foreigners.
Is enough being done to encourage private enterprise to increase housing supply with clever tax incentives. To build and expand private stock for rental use? Affordable housing is only one aspect of a bigger picture of needing to increase overall supply in London at every single opportunity and at every level.
Show less of commentAldetect
Community Member 4 years ago90,000 is not affordable. Im born in London and due to ill helth living on benefits which dp not cover my rent with a private landlord.
We and those on real (low) income need serious assistance.
Show full comment90,000 is not affordable. Im born in London and due to ill helth living on benefits which dp not cover my rent with a private landlord.
We and those on real (low) income need serious assistance.
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Community Member 4 years agoIt seems such a shame that the rental prices are so much more than the amount to pay off a mortgage. Help is needed in making the deposits affordable. Why did mortgage companies allow people to get mortgages for Buy to Let. This meant that...
Show full commentIt seems such a shame that the rental prices are so much more than the amount to pay off a mortgage. Help is needed in making the deposits affordable. Why did mortgage companies allow people to get mortgages for Buy to Let. This meant that people, who had money, could buy multiple properties for renting to increase their pensions etc and take off affordable places to live for those first time buyers.I believe that people look after properties better when they own or part-own them.
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Community Member 4 years agoIt's outrageous that the Mayor, local authorities & the government see fit to levy taxes on people who can barely make ends meet, only to use their hard-earned pennies to subsidise accommodation for high-income households earning over £90...
Show full commentIt's outrageous that the Mayor, local authorities & the government see fit to levy taxes on people who can barely make ends meet, only to use their hard-earned pennies to subsidise accommodation for high-income households earning over £90,000 per annum!!! This has been allowed to go on for far too long, mislabelled as "affordable housing while in fact providing a handout for some of the wealthiest households in the country. Even worse, these schemes increase the prices that better-off housebuyers can pay, therefore driving up property prices even further, to the benefit of wealthy landowners. Surely high income groups should pay for their own housing, JUST LIKE EVERYONE ELSE DOES while earning far less!
Show less of commentliterarywalker
Community Member 4 years agoSubsidised accommodation (i.e. shared ownership) is only available to households earning UNDER £90k, not over. £90k is the cap for London, because prices are higher - in the rest of the country only households earning UNDER £80k are...
Show full commentSubsidised accommodation (i.e. shared ownership) is only available to households earning UNDER £90k, not over. £90k is the cap for London, because prices are higher - in the rest of the country only households earning UNDER £80k are eligible for SO.
I share your frustration about unaffordable 'affordable' housing, but it's important to get the facts right. I was able to purchase a shared ownership flat and I can assure you I earn a hell of a lot less than £90k!