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What do you think of drones being used in London? Would you support them being used more, why or why not?

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Drones are aircraft without a human pilot on board. They have been used by public services in London for several years now. The Metropolitan Police Service is using them to support a range of operational activity, they were used to inspect tunnels and construction sites during Crossrail construction and the London Fire Brigade is currently trialling them when responding to incidents. They are also increasingly being used by private operators, for example to take film and TV footage or surveying.

Drones may become a more familiar sight in London in the next decade, and could be used for deliveries of post or emergency medical supplies, or even as a mode of transport.

However, some people have identified possible issues with more drone use, such as noise, safety, a loss of privacy or other environmental impacts.

Who would you want to call in the event of a complaint, such as drone noise or privacy concerns? And what are your thoughts on the next generation of urban air mobility, for instance 'flying' parcel delivery or even passenger services using small electric helicopters? Would you ever consider riding one, why or why not?

Tell us in our discussion below.

Summary

Thanks to everyone who joined in our discussion on drones. We’ve seen nearly 250 comments and have shared them with our colleagues in the Transport Team at City Hall and at Transport for London (TfL).

These are the main themes in the discussion on drones so far:

  • You’re concerned about noise, privacy issues and crime.
  • Many of you think that drones should be licensed.
  • You seem in favour of the use of drones for emergency services.
  • Some of you fear that drones might replace humans, and cause a loss of jobs.

Our policy teams would love to hear more of your views and have a few more questions. We have updated the discussion and look forward to hearing more of what you think.

The discussion ran from 20 May 2019 - 12 September 2019

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My gut reaction is that this is unwelcome. London is a crowded busy city, and the air above our heads is sometimes the only space we have. However, drones are already here, and there needs to be a means of control / regulation. I would like...

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My gut reaction is that this is unwelcome. London is a crowded busy city, and the air above our heads is sometimes the only space we have. However, drones are already here, and there needs to be a means of control / regulation. I would like to know if drones could replace some of the journeys being made by vehicle - would we see a reduction in these, or would they just add to the total number of journeys? I suspect the latter, as more and more things are ordered online. What's the impact on wildlife, particularly birds and insects? 

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A transit van carries lots of parcels for delivery.  A drone carries one. How many drones will be needed to replace one van?

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A transit van carries lots of parcels for delivery.  A drone carries one. How many drones will be needed to replace one van?

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Drones need strict regulation whatever they are being used for. The are clearly potentially dangerous to members of the public should the operater loose control of the machine or there should be mechanical failure. They should be tightly...

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Drones need strict regulation whatever they are being used for. The are clearly potentially dangerous to members of the public should the operater loose control of the machine or there should be mechanical failure. They should be tightly controlled in where they can fly,who can fly them and what they can be used for. The streets and pavements are dangerous enough without having to dodge errant drones coming out of the sky

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I thing they're 100% okay, and should be allowed if:

 - they aren't in Helicopter's/Airplane's air space/routes.

 - they weight less than 500g.

 - the pilot is respectfull towards others. 

 - the pilot or someone overseing the pilot is...

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I thing they're 100% okay, and should be allowed if:

 - they aren't in Helicopter's/Airplane's air space/routes.

 - they weight less than 500g.

 - the pilot is respectfull towards others. 

 - the pilot or someone overseing the pilot is over 18y, which will be responsible for any damanges caused.

 

If these simple rules are followed, I don't see why anyone couldn't fly a drone anywhere.

 

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For a start, the noise of one drone is horrifically loud. Even a small one is too noisy.  Then consider how many people in any one area is going to want to fly drones - hundreds at peak times eg after school is out? Plus all the deliveries...

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For a start, the noise of one drone is horrifically loud. Even a small one is too noisy.  Then consider how many people in any one area is going to want to fly drones - hundreds at peak times eg after school is out? Plus all the deliveries drones. Plus all the commercial filming drones. Plus all the voyeur's drones, p aedo's drones. The window-shoppers' drones, and so-on.  Having a 'pilot' responsible for any damages caused is meaningless when someone loses an eye due to bad flying or mechanical failure.  What about the inevitable drone-hacking?   And when it is normal to see drones fly past, the terrorist drones are camouflaged, aren't they?  Better to ban drones and be healthy and safer.

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Certainly not! Having suffered being held up by drones at the airport, when absolutely no one anywhere had a clue what to do, they are an unknown quantity and nothing but a menace!

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Certainly not! Having suffered being held up by drones at the airport, when absolutely no one anywhere had a clue what to do, they are an unknown quantity and nothing but a menace!

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There are so many positives, but the maluse of them is so dire, they should only be used by government agencies.

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There are so many positives, but the maluse of them is so dire, they should only be used by government agencies.

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I think drones have a great deal of potential to benefit London. While I have reservations I think we should get started, but with some guidelines on device registration, insurance, no fly zones etc.

I think formal legislation should...

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I think drones have a great deal of potential to benefit London. While I have reservations I think we should get started, but with some guidelines on device registration, insurance, no fly zones etc.

I think formal legislation should follow at a later stage when we are better informed and have evidence. A lot of opinion is just that and we will damage benefits if we legislate early and do not work off facts.

I say let's  get started.

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This is crazily irresponsible.  Formal legislation later?  We have been waiting many, many years for legislation to control London pedicabs, and there is no sign that the government seriously intends to deal with the problem. What on earth...

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This is crazily irresponsible.  Formal legislation later?  We have been waiting many, many years for legislation to control London pedicabs, and there is no sign that the government seriously intends to deal with the problem. What on earth makes you think that if drones use was permitted and proved to be dangerous, then we would legislate?  Concerned people have to put years and years of effort into publicising a problem and lobbying before legislation appears on the distant horizon. Get real!!

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Pedicabs are no issue. Too much naysaying here.

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Pedicabs are no issue. Too much naysaying here.

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Drones do have a useful application especially when conducting external roof surveys which enables these to take place without the need for scaffolding. I would support licenced use, any used without a licence should be removed/ impounded/...

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Drones do have a useful application especially when conducting external roof surveys which enables these to take place without the need for scaffolding. I would support licenced use, any used without a licence should be removed/ impounded/ destroyed by the police within the capital. The situation last Christmas at Gatwick is an example of how important it is to regulate their use.    

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I agree with those who argue that the technology could be unsafe (crashing for example or used for terrorism - for example crashing into planes); that they could be used by people to look into homes and gardens and schools etc and invade...

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I agree with those who argue that the technology could be unsafe (crashing for example or used for terrorism - for example crashing into planes); that they could be used by people to look into homes and gardens and schools etc and invade privacy.  Also the noise in London is bad enough without them.  Noise in fact is now proven to be a factor in poor mental health. 

Do those who argue for the technology have a vested interest? 

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The noise issue is a very serious one indeed.  There would be no way of preventing noisy drones from flying outside our windows or above our roofs between the hours of 7am and 11pm. They must be banned.  

 

Yes, either vested interests or...

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The noise issue is a very serious one indeed.  There would be no way of preventing noisy drones from flying outside our windows or above our roofs between the hours of 7am and 11pm. They must be banned.  

 

Yes, either vested interests or just enthusiastic about using them regardless of who else suffers. 

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I agree with the points on insurance, use by services ( with the law - but hey they snoop on us whenever they like anyway) plus private citizens who are registered and trained. Areas of activity need to be defined though anhd will bar...

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I agree with the points on insurance, use by services ( with the law - but hey they snoop on us whenever they like anyway) plus private citizens who are registered and trained. Areas of activity need to be defined though anhd will bar across activity groups

They are-used for terror attacks but legislation would be ineffective  as the naught would simply order them from Amazon  or E bay. 

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As others have mentioned, bringing in heavy-handed legislation could prove short-sighted in the future.

Technology is moving at an ever faster rate and with the improvement in electric motors and battery density, it won't be long before...

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As others have mentioned, bringing in heavy-handed legislation could prove short-sighted in the future.

Technology is moving at an ever faster rate and with the improvement in electric motors and battery density, it won't be long before drones are carrying cargo, deliveries and even people. 

I think we should be speaking with drone manufacturers and working with them to improve safety to the public without stifling their use by hobbyists and innovators.

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The surveillance and snooping aspect worries me the most. It means that there will be no privacy in flats, houses, patios, gardens, on balconies in fact nowhere and their range is shocking so one would never know. 

Noise is horrible and...

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The surveillance and snooping aspect worries me the most. It means that there will be no privacy in flats, houses, patios, gardens, on balconies in fact nowhere and their range is shocking so one would never know. 

Noise is horrible and they are very dangerous in public places where the operator does not know how to navigate. 

They are not toys so should be registered and marked clearly so that one can see if it is police, post or perv!

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This is going on too much already - the loss of privacy.  Sadly they are toys - down to tiny ones, nasty buzzing noise. 

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This is going on too much already - the loss of privacy.  Sadly they are toys - down to tiny ones, nasty buzzing noise. 

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Drones may be of some use in difficult situations, but I'm opposed to them because of the noise they make, the fact that they can be intrusive and the way in which our city is already cluttered - drones might be of some benefit in limited...

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Drones may be of some use in difficult situations, but I'm opposed to them because of the noise they make, the fact that they can be intrusive and the way in which our city is already cluttered - drones might be of some benefit in limited circumstances, but they are yet abnother intorusion into opublic space that needs to remain jus that - spacious.

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I'm absolutely against. They'd be a disaster, in my opinion.

1. Noise - they have an intensely irritating operating noise. London is already distressingly loud

2. Crashes - how long before it's a London sport to shoot them down for their...

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I'm absolutely against. They'd be a disaster, in my opinion.

1. Noise - they have an intensely irritating operating noise. London is already distressingly loud

2. Crashes - how long before it's a London sport to shoot them down for their payload (heroin?)? If one malfunctions or is shot down and causes a road accident or death, or a broken house window, who is going to pay? 

3. Invasion of privacy/criminal reconnaisance - how many girls will be harassed by a hovering drone filming them as they relax in their gardens? What happens to their freedom when they must either submit to being filmed or be driven indoors to hide? Who wants some criminals flying a drone around a house looking for entry points and valuables? 

Probably a dozen other reasons not to permit them - these are just off the top of my head. 

 

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Those tiny drones could be used for up skirtin too. And what about the vulnerable such as children being on the receiving end of drone voyeurism.

 

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Those tiny drones could be used for up skirtin too. And what about the vulnerable such as children being on the receiving end of drone voyeurism.

 

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Apart from the privacy and security issues, something that isn't often discussed is that drones of the sizes being promoted are very noisy.  Imagine being surrounded by leaf blowers, chain saws and tree mulchers.  Australian composer Garth...

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Apart from the privacy and security issues, something that isn't often discussed is that drones of the sizes being promoted are very noisy.  Imagine being surrounded by leaf blowers, chain saws and tree mulchers.  Australian composer Garth Paine wrote about this for The Conversation just a couple of weeks ago:  https://theconversation.com/drones-to-deliver-incessant-buzzing-noise-a…

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Apart from use by the emergency services, use of drones should be strictly controlled and require permits with strict conditions, eg on safety and privacy, which are strongly enforced.

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Apart from use by the emergency services, use of drones should be strictly controlled and require permits with strict conditions, eg on safety and privacy, which are strongly enforced.

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Drones should be as strictly controlled as strivtly as fire arms are in the UK.

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Drones should be as strictly controlled as strivtly as fire arms are in the UK.

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Most of my thoughts have already been said so I'll just say that drones should be registered and controlled as strictly as fire arms are in the UK.

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Most of my thoughts have already been said so I'll just say that drones should be registered and controlled as strictly as fire arms are in the UK.

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I am more worried about the fact that air rifles and BB guns which proved fatal to my cat and near fatal to my neighbour are allowed in the city! But drones that are for personal use are a dangerous menace: as a paraglider pilot, these...

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I am more worried about the fact that air rifles and BB guns which proved fatal to my cat and near fatal to my neighbour are allowed in the city! But drones that are for personal use are a dangerous menace: as a paraglider pilot, these idiots bring machines into your flight path endangering your life, and they terrorise animals. Only commercially licenced drones should be allowed

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Drones may be of some use in difficult situations, but I'm opposed to them because of the noise they make, the fact that they can be intrusive and the way in which our city is already cluttered - drones might be of some benefit in limited...

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Drones may be of some use in difficult situations, but I'm opposed to them because of the noise they make, the fact that they can be intrusive and the way in which our city is already cluttered - drones might be of some benefit in limited circumstances, but they are yet abnother intorusion into opublic space that needs to remain jus that - spacious.

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If a £5 million pound helicopter requires 6 years pilot training, air traffic control and books of legislation, please lets stop joking that a £1000 device can manage with less. The CAA will not I suspect ever allow out of sight flight over...

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If a £5 million pound helicopter requires 6 years pilot training, air traffic control and books of legislation, please lets stop joking that a £1000 device can manage with less. The CAA will not I suspect ever allow out of sight flight over a congested area so we do not need to worry about silly advertising by amazon and the like

However, flight in sight of an operator, ideally with training, and within height and distance limits can be very beneficial for surveys, emergency services etc etc and I do think this should be considered. the risk at present is anyone can buy one and operate with no training. the current rules are not enforced. The US require all drones to be registered and this is the way to go. Lets not just ban everything but try to allow freedom with safety

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CAA are I think taking a much more lax stance on drones use.  Freedom with safety - what about the freedom and right for people to enjoy their own homes in peace without constant noise nuisance that damages their health?

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CAA are I think taking a much more lax stance on drones use.  Freedom with safety - what about the freedom and right for people to enjoy their own homes in peace without constant noise nuisance that damages their health?

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