Reducing violent crime
We'd like your views on the new Violence Reduction Unit and what Londoners can do to help prevent violence.
Together with the Met Police and specialists in health, youth services and local government, City Hall has announced plans to establish a new Violence Reduction Unit. It aims to tackle the causes of violent crime, such as poverty, mental ill-health and lack of opportunities. Alongside this, the Violent Crime Taskforce will continue its work to take knives and other weapons off the streets.
What do you think of the measures above? Do you think that it is important to bring together different services and involve communities when designing solutions to tackle violent crime? What can Londoners, families and communities do to help prevent violence?
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Community Member 6 years agoLow level criminality is everywhere and goes entirely unchallenged. Drug dealers operate in broad daylight, outside schools. If you try to report this, on the Met online portal, it is logged as ASB. Drug dealing is not ASB- it is an offence...
Show full commentLow level criminality is everywhere and goes entirely unchallenged. Drug dealers operate in broad daylight, outside schools. If you try to report this, on the Met online portal, it is logged as ASB. Drug dealing is not ASB- it is an offence. They drive towards you at speed if you look at them they have the upper hand.
These are the same people who commit other crimes, but they believe they are untouchable, as they seem to be.
There have been multiple murders within a half mile radius of where I live in the last few years. It's the same young men driving around like bandits, clouds of skunk smoke enveloping them. The streets belong to them.
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Community Member 6 years agoFrom what I understand, VRU intends to bring all the agencies together, which makes sense. Providing more activities for young people, especially in deprived areas, is also very positive and they should be staffed by people they can relate...
Show full commentFrom what I understand, VRU intends to bring all the agencies together, which makes sense. Providing more activities for young people, especially in deprived areas, is also very positive and they should be staffed by people they can relate to who have some experience of how they live. Punishment is a short-term solution resulting in a sense of resentment towards society and doesn't provide a change of attitude towards violence. I believe much violence is carried out by young people whose life experience is violence, often from caregivers. Another area not mentioned and perhaps out of your remit, is pushing for legalisation of drugs, taking it out of the hands of criminals and thus being able to control its use and reduce all the associated street crime. Finally, the constant cut in police numbers clearly exacerbates the situation on our streets.
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Community Member 6 years agowhen youth - all youth - have a hopeful future crime will reduce - but as is so often the case the future looks bleak - no chance of getting a flat/ a good wage being able to afford to live a normal life - meet friends , go out to eat, go...
Show full commentwhen youth - all youth - have a hopeful future crime will reduce - but as is so often the case the future looks bleak - no chance of getting a flat/ a good wage being able to afford to live a normal life - meet friends , go out to eat, go to the movies etc as a pensioner I can't afford the movies or to eat out etc I can handle it - (though its certainly not fun!) but for a teenager it must build up so much anger and frustration. not that this condones acts of violence but I can understand their feeling of "nothing to lose"
of course, youth will hang out on the street if there's nowhere to go - find other ways of making money if they can't get a job -and have a sense of hopelessness if they cant.
has anyone looked at when youth crime happens ? is it holidays and half terms - when youth are so bored that they'll be "looking for trouble " and by that I mean looking for a challenge - something / anything and it can so easily get out of hand - if you've got nothing you've got nothing to lose
schools could be doing so much more if only they were funded appropriately - car mechanics, forest school survival skills, mountain climbing, things that challenge and excite kids should be on the curriculum - the focus on academic subjects is ridiculous.
- youth are meant to be rebellious ! its part of learning - teddy boys, beatniks, hippies, punks, rockers etc every era has had rebellious youth -
that wonderful youthful energy that I remember from my youth when I really felt I had the power to change the world, has to be given back to our youth today. self-esteem and hope for the future don't come easily if you are seen as a failure with no future.
despite all this I have to say as an older retired woman often needing help with bags etc when traveling around London it is always youth who help
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Community Member 6 years agoI agree with the sentiments expressed here. The solutions to violent crime are (not a complete list) more opportunities for meaningful employment, more affordable leisure activities, more good quality housing for everyone (more social...
Show full commentI agree with the sentiments expressed here. The solutions to violent crime are (not a complete list) more opportunities for meaningful employment, more affordable leisure activities, more good quality housing for everyone (more social housing - at the moment the policy seems to be to force people to move to the midlands) and a society that works for everyone, and not the few, where everyone from any background has the opportunity to achieve their dreams. Research is published regularly showing the enormous difficulties faced by the most disadvantaged when trying to improve their circumstances.And it is getting worse.
My youthful enthusiasm was completely destroyed in the 80s and the arrival of Thatcherite Neo-liberal capitalism and the depiction of its critics as the enemy within. Many of our current problems stem from the new paradigm which it heralded : there is no god but money and economists are his prophets. Poverty again was seen as this new god's judgement on those deemed to have transgressed his laws while obscene wealth was a reward for upholding them. And, of course, there was no such thing as society. I never thought when I was young that in 2018 there would be a growing need for food banks.
An inclusive society would reduce violent crime and I suspect lead to more respect and civility on our streets. In the meantime we are faced with a public emergency that requires an appropriate response, Our leaders both national and local need to stop treating the public with contempt, fobbing us off with the same claptrap they have been spouting for decades and start actually doing things to help. A first step would be to REALLY listen to the PEOPLE rather than whichever lobby group or business interest buys you a nice meal and/or holiday abroad.
EVERYONE deserves to feel secure and valued. We might reduce ( no, let's dream big) eliminate violent crime if we all remembered that.
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Community Member 6 years agoI feel what is being put in place is not strong enough, I feel it’s gone to far and is now a monumental challenge to combat the current Crime rates. This should of been on the table at least last year ago. I would like to see police given...
Show full commentI feel what is being put in place is not strong enough, I feel it’s gone to far and is now a monumental challenge to combat the current Crime rates. This should of been on the table at least last year ago. I would like to see police given extra powers, and for the culprits when in court are given a penalty, which will make them think. Within the community many muggings don’t get reported or are just brushed aside due to staff shortages , and I am gonna guess lots of paperwork.
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Community Member 6 years agoViolent crime in London is committed by males in the majority of cases. Male violence is an epidemic that does not just root in poverty and lack of opportunities. Hard punishments and education from early school age would be required to...
Show full commentViolent crime in London is committed by males in the majority of cases. Male violence is an epidemic that does not just root in poverty and lack of opportunities. Hard punishments and education from early school age would be required to reduce violent crime in my opinion.
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Community Member 6 years agoThey don't fear consequences for their actions as they know they're unlikely to be caught, and if they're under 18 all they seem to get is a slap on the wrist. It starts with low level crime like vandalism and noise, the police aren't...
Show full commentThey don't fear consequences for their actions as they know they're unlikely to be caught, and if they're under 18 all they seem to get is a slap on the wrist. It starts with low level crime like vandalism and noise, the police aren't interested so they push it further and further. We constantly report antisocial behaviour and gangs of youths congregating in our road particularly at night, but nothing is ever done, all I've ever had was a follow up call several days later asking if I have the registration of any of the cars involved.Poverty, mental health and lack of opportunity are excuses - the vast majority of people with these issues are not involved in crime
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Community Member 6 years agoIt's not rocket science.
Double the size of the Police and quadruple the budget and crime will reduce. It really is that simple.
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Community Member 6 years agoYou can have beat officer on every quadrant corner and still have crime if they are alienated and the under class are alienated as there is no trust or respect. Both groups have no chance to raise self esteem and increased status, The...
Show full commentYou can have beat officer on every quadrant corner and still have crime if they are alienated and the under class are alienated as there is no trust or respect. Both groups have no chance to raise self esteem and increased status, The police fail and most people are disappointed. The criminals succeed and most people are disappointed. It's negative cycle. No one wants to be disrespect ed and disliked and have low status - it's a negative cycle.
Perhaps we should each adopt a beat police constable as they seem to be as rare as snow tigers!
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Official Representative 6 years agoThanks everyone for sharing your views in this discussion.
Some of you have asked how this new Violence Reduction Unit is going to work together with communities. City Hall is working out the best way to ensure there are good links and involvement from the outset, particularly with young people affected by all forms of violence. That’s why we’re keen to hear from you. Can you think of other organisations the Violence Reduction unit could work with? What do you think of prevention as a measure to reduce violent crime?
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Community Member 6 years agoFilm companies buy in police officers in uniform. Can a Community or street or tower block pass the hat around and use the grand total to buy in a beat police constable .
Show full commentFilm companies buy in police officers in uniform. Can a Community or street or tower block pass the hat around and use the grand total to buy in a beat police constable .
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Community Member 6 years ago@talklondon can you, city hall work with government to set up a scheme for the BAME communities to help reduce knife crime and drug crimes in London.
One of the main reason People get into the life of crime is to sell drugs and make...
Show full comment@talklondon can you, city hall work with government to set up a scheme for the BAME communities to help reduce knife crime and drug crimes in London.
One of the main reason People get into the life of crime is to sell drugs and make money because some people from the BAME find it hard to get a job let alone a career and end up on 0 hour contract like TFL, London overground spends Millions of pounds on tender contract for customer service role, Sia -security officers, cleaning roles and etc why not leave some of those job aside set up a scheme for the BAME Communities, train them up for the role this will help take them out of the life of crime and drug Environment change their whole experience, Environment and they get a career through the TFL scheme because going through the normal route to apply for a job at TfL they very likely are not getting to the next stage.
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Community Member 6 years agoWould the Mayor please publish how he intends to engage with communities in the construction of a London VRU?
Show full commentWould the Mayor please publish how he intends to engage with communities in the construction of a London VRU?
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Community Member 6 years agoA PS to my previous comments. Governments and councils love setting up enquiries or taskforces because they can give an impression of doing something while they wait for the public's attention to move elsewhere. If the Mayor wishes to know...
Show full commentA PS to my previous comments. Governments and councils love setting up enquiries or taskforces because they can give an impression of doing something while they wait for the public's attention to move elsewhere. If the Mayor wishes to know how to tackle violent crime, how about directing resources to front line policing. If the Government places restrictions on his ability to do that then advertise that fact.
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Community Member 6 years agoThe fact that the Superintendent Gardener does not believe that the police have lost control only compounds the issue further. You cannot address a problem if you fail to acknowledge that there is one to start with! Quite clearly the police...
Show full commentThe fact that the Superintendent Gardener does not believe that the police have lost control only compounds the issue further. You cannot address a problem if you fail to acknowledge that there is one to start with! Quite clearly the police have lost control of the streets, no matter what they say, how do we know this? Because the criminals do not fear the police, they openly and brazenly commit crime and where are the police when you call them? For instance a man was involved in a hit and run with a car outside my house, the car had knocked the man several feet into the air and destroyed the bike which was leaking petrol everywhere. Several of my neighbours called the police but they didnt turn up til over 5 hours later! That's why the boys in my neighbourhood, riding around on stolen Boris bikes and pulling knives from their pants in broad daylight, on camera, can continue safe in the knowledge that there aren't enough police around for them to worry about...
Mayor of London, if you truly want to make a difference then it is going to take more than 1000 police officers, start by throwing as much a of your budget at this as is possible, Theresa May wants the public to believe that violent crime is not up due to cuts, please can you prove her wrong, bring in fixed term police roles and boost the numbers of police exponentially for just one year and see what difference it makes. If it makes no difference then all we have lost is some money. The public will appreciate your efforts.
Secondly restrict all free oyster travel for 11-16 year olds to between 6 -10am and 2-6pm. Children travelling unaccompanied outside these times and not in school uniform should be subject to normal fares not free to roam London on the tax payers. Reward children who are active in their communities with free oyster travel for each attendance at a youth club, scouts, taekwondo etc
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Community Member 6 years agoSupport from the public is vital to policing.How can this support be maintained when the police have been effectively withdrawn from the streets? Even the CSOs have been removed. Following the tragic death of Ian Tomlin a member of the Met...
Show full commentSupport from the public is vital to policing.How can this support be maintained when the police have been effectively withdrawn from the streets? Even the CSOs have been removed. Following the tragic death of Ian Tomlin a member of the Met hierachy was quoted as saying he didn't believe the Met had lost control of the streets. The streets cannot be controlled remotely; you have to be on them. In the last couple of weeks I have several times experienced what felt very much like displays of strength by local gangs. I have little doubt that they would assert thier control of the area.
Mr Tomlin( the type of person we need more of in our communities) apparently made many attempts to inform the police and council in Battersea about the problems his community faced. He received no support and was murdered. It is hard not to feel that the Met and his local council have some of his blood on their hands.
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Community Member 6 years agoMayor Giulani cleaned up NY crime drastically. and at the time it was much worse than London. Nowdays London police is made powerless and is under-resourced . Criminal gangs are operating knowing they are likely to get away with murder.. We...
Show full commentMayor Giulani cleaned up NY crime drastically. and at the time it was much worse than London. Nowdays London police is made powerless and is under-resourced . Criminal gangs are operating knowing they are likely to get away with murder.. We need zero tolerance and harder sentencing. Police often told me they arrest thieves , burglars , gangs of thieving beggars etc, and even if they appear at court they are almost always released .
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Community Member 6 years agoI think the aspirations for the unit are good, and believe tackling causes of violent crime is complimentary to more traditional police work. However without knowing how this taskforce will tackle poverty, mental ill-health, etc, it's hard...
Show full commentI think the aspirations for the unit are good, and believe tackling causes of violent crime is complimentary to more traditional police work. However without knowing how this taskforce will tackle poverty, mental ill-health, etc, it's hard to give an opinion. If it has worked well elsewhere it would be good to see some case studies.
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Community Member 6 years agoThe Police need more funding to do their job. Criminals know they can get away with all sorts of violent crime because the Police can't cope and don't have the time. It is getting worse, it's very scary and needs to be improved...
Show full commentThe Police need more funding to do their job. Criminals know they can get away with all sorts of violent crime because the Police can't cope and don't have the time. It is getting worse, it's very scary and needs to be improved immediately before more people are hurt or killed. Simple.
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Community Member 6 years agoDetection and conviction rates must be improved too deter crime. More education effort in schools to change behaviour
Show full commentDetection and conviction rates must be improved too deter crime. More education effort in schools to change behaviour
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Community Member 6 years agoinstead of police investigating snowflake crimes and made up hate crimes, they should get out and patrol every street regulaly
Show full commentinstead of police investigating snowflake crimes and made up hate crimes, they should get out and patrol every street regulaly
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Community Member 6 years agoI have reported drug dealing outside my house nearly 100 times since moving in 4 years ago. Nothing has changed in that time. I'm at my wits end. Last Saturday 5 men were snorting coke directly outside my house.
Show full commentI have reported drug dealing outside my house nearly 100 times since moving in 4 years ago. Nothing has changed in that time. I'm at my wits end. Last Saturday 5 men were snorting coke directly outside my house.
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Official Representative 6 years agoHi MKeen.
Thanks for sharing. Please get in touch with the Mayor's Office for Policing and Crime (MOPAC) via this contact address [email protected], so they can follow this up.
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Community Member 6 years agoThere may well be a shortage of police on the streets but when they do catch a criminal and it goes to court, in many cases just a slap on the wrist. Sentences must be stronger from judges, we are too soft.
Show full commentThere may well be a shortage of police on the streets but when they do catch a criminal and it goes to court, in many cases just a slap on the wrist. Sentences must be stronger from judges, we are too soft.
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Community Member 6 years agoThe Mayors Office is being lead astray by Ward Policing.Majority of Wards DO NOT have the correct number of officers ,which should be 2pcs &a Pcso .Officers are also taken from there Wards .The Mayors office should do a Audit in person and...
Show full commentThe Mayors Office is being lead astray by Ward Policing.Majority of Wards DO NOT have the correct number of officers ,which should be 2pcs &a Pcso .Officers are also taken from there Wards .The Mayors office should do a Audit in person and not by a list of names on paper . If you had more officers out and about this would help reduce crime .
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Community Member 6 years agoany criminal record will seriously reduce an individuals chance of going straight. I wouldn't employ someonme with a criminal record.
I say, make the punishment severe but strike it from the records afterwards
Show full commentany criminal record will seriously reduce an individuals chance of going straight. I wouldn't employ someonme with a criminal record.
I say, make the punishment severe but strike it from the records afterwards
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Community Member 6 years agoThe only way to stop moped crime is by Police / Courts removing licences for all fast food "deliveries". Get the riders fully vetted, and set a complete stop to this silly 'gig' 'economy': Gig economy = cheap slave (Zero hour contract)...
Show full commentThe only way to stop moped crime is by Police / Courts removing licences for all fast food "deliveries". Get the riders fully vetted, and set a complete stop to this silly 'gig' 'economy': Gig economy = cheap slave (Zero hour contract) labour! = low pay = willingness to make 'extra special' deliveries. Often on probably road illegal mopeds with noisy exhausts and riding at breakneck speed. Give the successfully vetted riders 50cc mopeds at most.
Law must be changed to make it mandatory for 'L'plated scooter to be 50cc or less and speed limited to 20 mph. Police must enforce noise created by unroadworthy ('aftermarket') exhausts to all vehicles in Greater London and vehcles found to be fitted with illegal exhausts should be compounded immediately. Driving offences in the Netherlands are very harshly dealt with; why not here?
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Community Member 6 years agoA little while ago I contacted Deliveroo online questioning their practices and suggesting they were proffiting from illegal behaviour of which they cannot be unaware due to its ubiquity. The only response I received was an automated...
Show full commentA little while ago I contacted Deliveroo online questioning their practices and suggesting they were proffiting from illegal behaviour of which they cannot be unaware due to its ubiquity. The only response I received was an automated feedback request focusing on how they had dealt with my enquiry. You can draw your own conclusion about their attitude to the public and their own ''contractors''
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