Cleaning up London’s toxic air

SG65, My man... lol... the other 8.4 million Londoners never got it it pal ! Fancy a pint ? Lol at last a like minded intelligent individual who sees what I and others see , lies by TFL... Problem is its all about deceit- if the general population don't know whats coming TFL will push all this through hence the ads in everything we don't buy ie, papers, mags , listen to radio stations that favour Sadiq Khan like LBC ETC...I have emailed and tweeted LBC,s presenters regularly and had no mention on this subject yet sadiq khans regularly on there live, I get no mention ever !! Same with the evening standard , again left wing and labour suporters, So left wing and so labour orientated...Look at http://www.WeRideLondon.com and see whats happening for bikers we can do the same for drivers !! Famous people are getting involved against this what is happening is a conspiracy and a farce and Londoners really do not know...lol its mad and its wrong !!

SG65- WELL SAID MY MAN !!!

I mean what gets my goat is that how can TFL expect to make a HUGE change to hundreds of thousands of Londoners lives without giving them the fair chance to actually "have their say" has anyone actually looked at where TFL say they have put these adverts really ?

TFL Databases- I only learned of this AFTER I heard about the ULEZ !
Evening standard- I ride a bike so don't get one !
City AM- Who/what are they?
Trade publications-Local 24 Who/What are they?
Transport Today- Who/What are they?
Coach and bus week- I don't have a coach or bus why would I buy this?
Fleet World- I don't have a fleet of anything just my tipper truck and cars !
Why would I buy that also?
Web coverage on BBC News,Bloomberg (who are they),Air Quality News (where do I find that?)
Business Green - WHATS THAT ?
Local Publications- such as Get West London ( I live in south London-Lewisham why would I buy a paper from West London?
Digital Displays- Where ? I live in South London again.
A notice in the London Gazette- I don't buy that either !
Tweets- I only got a twitter account AFTER I heard about this nonsense !

It goes on and on and on but the whole thing is clear we in South London did not and were not told about any inclusion of the ULEZ was going to include the NORTH and SOUTH CIRCULAR because as TFL knows we in south London would not want it- what I DID hear on Radio was all about the t charge but the impression given was that it was only for Central London and NOTHING about the ULEZ or its inclusion to include south London was mentioned in these radio adverts- its appalling and deceitful

peter the problem is Sadiq Khan is is looking at all pre 2005 cars/vans and pre2007 motorbikes and making a blanket statement of how bad they are pollutant wise ! You are correct it is very stupid of him to include bikes because cars and vans are worse when idling which is the very thing a motorbike does NOT have to do as we filter in and out the traffic. TFL keep going on also about bicycle deaths yearly in London what about motorcyclist deaths in 2015 there were 36 alone in London why do we not matter I wonder ? No real thought has gone into this at all and only allowing people who are signed up to this Site Talk London to "have their say" will only serve to allow TFL and Sadiq the power to do what they want without the real Londoners knowing about it - the 8.4 million I mean who are not written to to be informed exactly what the mayors plans are ....its all wrong !! Spread the word Peter ..

steve he has more or less suggested that already m8, come 2023 TFL have said the oldest diesel allowed in the ZONE will have to be a maximum of only 5 years old and petrols 14 years old.This is why the whole idea sucks !! So Meanwhile while we wait till 2023, we get a 100% Discount on the ULEZ Charge of £10 ONLY if your vehicle is registered as living in the ZONE (Currently the same area as the congestion zone).Everyone else living in London outside the Zone that drives into it will have to pay the Full Price of £10 Daily...On top of the daily Congestion ZONE Charge of £11.50.That includes builders, workers, delivery drivers, visitors etc to London also from day one ! So......If TFL is successful in Expanding The Ultra Low Emission Zone to include the South and North Circular this will mean that instead- from day one ALL LONDONERS WILL HAVE TO PAY THESE CHARGES NOT JUST THOSE LIVING IN CENTRAL LONDON !! And also those I mentioned earlier all the workers etc etc.... hes gonna make millions and its these millions hes gonna use to make stupid cycle lanes , I,d love to see a plumber taking a bundle of 22mm Copper from Lewisham to the Bank on a bicycle !! Oh and theres then the copper bends, flux,gas bottles,fittings and the Apprentice sitting on the bar of the bike ......lol

First I would like to take you all back to where all this crap started, I say crap because it clearly is my grannie died at 92 and my grandfather at 89 having lived in London all their lives through worse pollution than we have at present yet as soon as Sadiq Khan gets in power we have to "stay indoors and avoid exercise ", as pollution is so bad- Really ??
I have a serious problem with his claims about the consultation that started in OCT 2016 and Finished in December 18th 2016 again I never knew about it till it was nearly finished because TFL I their deceitfulness only allowed those registered with their site TALK LONDON got a chance to "have their say" of which 15000 did and over 2/3 rds of them were in favour of the ULEZ, the other 8.4 million Londoners who this ALSO affects never got a say!! I'm talking about this statement TFL made after that consultation;-

Air pollution is one of the most significant challenges facing London. The equivalent of around 9,400 deaths per year in London are attributed to air quality related illnesses. Soon after his election in May this year, Mayor of London, Sadiq Khan, called for new proposals to urgently tackle London’s current poor air quality.
The Mayor invited Londoners to share their experiences and ideas about improving air quality, and asked for their views on the measures he was proposing. Approximately 15,000 people responded to this consultation, and the majority of people were broadly supportive of the proposed measures. The results of the consultation are available to view by visiting http://talklondon.london.gov.uk/blogs/talk-london-team/results-clean-ai….

Now what does equivalent to 9400 deaths a year actually mean? has anyone actually seen any report that actually factually proves that all these "equivalant deaths" were down to pollution made by either diesel or petrol vehicles at all? NO....Lets start there then ! This man is scaremongering London residents into believing its just happening now but that's untrue theres been pollution in London since the 1920,s and more deaths than ever were before 2016! Pollution in London is due to more buses and taxis than cars bikes and vans, per square mile in central London there are more on the roads at any one time than polluting cars. Remember when the Mayor said BIO FUEL was the way forward for buses and taxis? where did that go ? just disappeared as it ended up mixing ethanol with diesel made it worse that's why ! Generators, diesel cranes, tipper trucks, bin lorries congestion (caused by TFL,s balls up of the roadwork system mainly due to making new cycle lanes for cyclists as TFL sees this as the new London- really ? This man is Not fit for purpose and the ULEZ Expanded or not is NOT fit for the solution either ! I have a letter I will forward onto here about me questioning TFL and the answer I received only after having to go to my Local MP as TFL DONT ANSWER EMAILS !!

As promised look at this and judge for yourselves !! - My original letter/email is at the end, but look at the excuses mr hatch gives for US not knowing about the proposals I don't read any of the mags he relates to for a start.....

Dear Mr Dickson,

Thank you for your email. We are sorry to see that you are not happy with Transport for London's response.

I can now confirm that Vicky has further contacted TfL, asking them to address your concerns regarding the Ultra-Low Emission Zone.

I will, of course, contact you as soon as we receive a response. In the meantime, if there are any other issues we could assist you with, please do not hesitate to contact our office.

Yours sincerely,

Siddo Dwyer
Caseworker to Vicky Foxcroft MP
Member of Parliament for Lewisham Deptford

Address: House of Commons, London, SW1A 0AA
Tel: 020 8469 4638
Email: [email protected]

________________________________________
From: Dougie
Sent: 2 February 2017 18:02
To: FOXCROFT, Vicky [email protected]
Subject: Re: REPLY: ULEZ (Case Ref: ZA13532)

Hi Vicky

Having now had time to read the reply to you from Andrew Hatch I feel that I once again have to ask for your intervention in this matter. Mr Hatch clearly avoids my main point in that hundreds of thousands of Londoners do not know this ULEZ and its expansion to the South and North Circular has been planned. The fact that "no formal decision has been made" has been heard before also when Ken Livingston introduced the LEZ. I was told the same then and yet lo and behold it was decided and it was done costing me thousands of pounds in the process.

Mr Hatch can print numbers about who and what companies he printed the adverts to but it still remains that no-one in South London or North London have been asked their opinion on the proposed expansion of the ULEZ although he does state that ,

" We sent 14,500 letters to residents and local businesses located within the central London Congestion Charging zone, which is the same area as the proposed Emissions Surcharge. These letters provided detailed information on the proposed new Emission Surcharge and proposed date and location change to the forthcoming ULEZ, including the proposal to extend the boundary to the North / South Circular. The letters were circulated within the central London Congestion Charging zone and not to those living beyond this area as the proposed Emissions Surcharge would only operate within this area"

The problem here is that Andrew Hatch is saying that residents living in Central London were sent letters about not only the Emissions Surcharge but also informed of the ULEZ extension proposal to include the south and north circular, but the fact remains that the very people that this proposed extension would affect- namely south Londoners and North Londoners were not written to or notified so that they could have their say at all. Why would TFL deliberately not write to those people living in south and north London when it would clearly affect those residents living in those areas? The people living in Central London would not in all fairness be worried about what is happening in south London or indeed north London I would imagine. I can only suspect that South Londoners and North Londoners were not informed as it would clearly have serious implications for those living in those areas and would go against the idea of the extension proposal and TFL know this- if not why not let them decide?

I am a very well travelled man living in Lewisham meeting lots of people daily in London and as I have said before no one I know or met in the run up to the December 18th Deadline for the opportunity to "have their say" knew anything about the inclusion proposal of the south circular despite "adverts, radio adverts and emails....." Not one radio advert mentioned the inclusion of The South Circular or The North Circular! Why is this?

Can you please put this to Mr Hatch or indeed call me to discuss the matter perhaps? The offer is open to Mr Hatch also. This cannot be ignored Vicky. My number is 07971391407.

Dougie
[email protected]

-----Original Message-----
From: Vicky Foxcroft MP
To: dougiedickson
Sent: Thu, 2 Feb 2017 16:23
Subject: FW: REPLY: ULEZ (Case Ref: ZA13532)

Dear Mr Dickson,

I am writing to inform you of the response I have received from Transport for London regarding Ultra Low Emission Zones. I have also attached their response for your ease of reference.

As stated in their response, Transport for London has firstly assured me that no decision has yet to be made about the ULEZ and its expansion across inner-London. However, Transport for London does note that currently the ULEZ is scheduled to go ahead in September 2020.

Transport for London does go on in its response to explain its findings in the consultation and how this will affect their decision.

I hope you have found this response useful. If there are any other issues I could assist you with, please do not hesitate to contact my office.

Yours sincerely,

Vicky Foxcroft MP
Member of Parliament for Lewisham Deptford

Address: House of Commons, London, SW1A 0AA
Tel: 020 8469 4638
Email: [email protected]

________________________________________
From: Hatch Andrew
Sent: 30 January 2017 15:51
To: FOXCROFT, Vicky [email protected]
Cc: Members Correspondence [email protected], Johnson Esther [email protected]
Subject: REPLY: ULEZ (Case Ref: ZA13532)

Dear Siddo

Thank you for your email. I’m sorry for the delay in responding.

Firstly, I can assure Vicky’s constituent that no decisions have yet been made about changes to the Ultra Low Emission Zone (ULEZ) and in particular any expansion to inner London.

Currently, the ULEZ – which we consulted the public on from 10 October to 18 December 2016 – is scheduled to go live in September 2020. It will apply to all cars, motorcycles, vans, minibuses, buses, coaches and heavy goods vehicles and will cover the same area as the Congestion Charging Zone.

The consultation was the second in a series of consultations about how to tackle London’s poor air quality. It outlined in detail proposals to implement a new Emissions Surcharge – also referred to as the ‘T-charge’ – on the oldest, most polluting vehicles in central London from October 2017. The Mayor will take responses from the public and stakeholders into account when deciding whether or not the Emissions Surcharge proposal should proceed.

The consultation also raised the issue of the future of the ULEZ in its current form, to gauge initial public feedback in terms of the following three suggestions:

1. introducing the ULEZ in 2019 rather than 2020

2. extending it to inner London (up to the North / South Circular) in 2019 or later

3. for heavy vehicles, extending the ULEZ to the Greater London boundary in 2019 or later

The consultation document included a certain level of basic information on each, making clear that no final decisions on these three matters had or would be taken as a result of that consultation. As it states, the Mayor would consider feedback and decide whether the three suggestions for changing the ULEZ should be developed into more detailed proposals for consultation in due course. Only then, after further consultation, would any decision be made by the Mayor on any of the ULEZ related proposals.

The only binding decision that will be taken by the Mayor as a result of the consultation is on the Emission Surcharge proposal, and whether it should proceed as proposed, or with modifications.

If there are further consultations on any or all of these three proposals I can confirm there will be an information paper or consultation document setting out in detail the proposals under consideration, as well as setting out information on their likely impacts. The consultation material will clearly explain how Londoners can make their views known to the Mayor. The publicity for any consultation is likely to follow what we did for the October consultation, details of which are set out in the list below.

We take our responsibility to consult Londoners seriously, and make every attempt to engage with those who do not have access to a computer or the internet. For this consultation, we used a multimedia approach reaching an estimated 79 per cent of the London population through a combination of advertising and direct marketing. This included the following:

o We ran press adverts in the City AM, Evening Standard and Metro newspapers, achieving a total circulation of 4.5 million; 79.60 per cent of an all-London audience*

o We aired radio adverts on LBC, Capital London, Heart London, Kiss, Magic, Radio X and talkSPORT

o We sent over 1.3 million emails to customers registered on our database: 805,555 on 12 October and 562,183 on 2 December 2016

o We sent 14,500 letters to residents and local businesses located within the central London Congestion Charging zone, which is the same area as the proposed Emissions Surcharge. These letters provided detailed information on the proposed new Emission Surcharge and proposed date and location change to the forthcoming ULEZ, including the proposal to extend the boundary to the North / South Circular. The letters were circulated within the central London Congestion Charging zone and not to those living beyond this area as the proposed Emissions Surcharge would only operate within this area

o We published in-depth information on our website explaining the proposals in detail, including the proposal to extend the boundary to the North / South Circular. Our consultation webpage received 63,191 visits during the campaign period

o We placed adverts in the following specialist press titles: Commercial Motor, Bus & Coach Buyer, Fleet News, Commercial Fleet, Motor Transport, Fleet World, Van Fleet World, Motorcycle News with a combined circulation of 256,143

o We placed digital advertising across 6,563 third party websites

o A public notice was served in the London Gazette, which has a circulation of 1,000

*The press advert (a copy of the radio script of which is attached) mentioned that the consultation covered ideas for the future of the ULEZ and gave details of a freepost address where further hard copy information could be obtained.

While we did not issue letters to addresses outside of the central London Congestion Charging Zone, the breadth of our communications activity (as outlined above) clearly demonstrates our approach to reach as many Londoners as possible and I assure Vicky’s constituent there was no attempt to misinform Londoners of the proposed future changes to ULEZ.

I hope this is helpful.

Kind regards

Andrew Hatch
Communications & Engagement
Managing Director's Office
Transport for London - Surface Transport Palestra, 197 Blackfriars Road, SE1 8NJ
Tel: 0207 027 9293
Ext: 59293
[Plain TfL lockup]

________________________________
From: Vicky Foxcroft MP [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: 20 December 2016 16:14
To: Members Correspondence
Subject: FW: ULEZ (Case Ref: ZA13532)

Dear Sir/Madam,

RE: Douglas Dickson
83 Ermine Road
London
SE13 7JJ

Vicky Foxcroft MP has been contacted by the above constituent regarding the Ultra-Low Emissions Zone. I have also attached their email for your ease of reference.

Mr Dickson has expressed his concern about the way in which the Ultra-Low Emissions Zone and scope of it -- if it will cover Lewisham and Greenwich.

I would appreciate if you could address the concerns of my constituent.

Yours faithfully,

Siddo Dwyer
Caseworker to Vicky Foxcroft MP
Member of Parliament for Lewisham Deptford

Address: House of Commons, London, SW1A 0AA
Tel: 020 8469 4638
Email: [email protected]

________________________________________
From: Dougie
Sent: 9 December 2016 07:48
To: FOXCROFT, Vicky [email protected]
Subject: ULEZ

Dear Vicky

This will seriously affect all Lewisham residents but no one is willing to advertise the facts, I have written to all the local newspapers and even tweeted radio stations yet no one has advertised this at all and I cannot understand this. Is there anything you can do as this is serious.I am all for clean air but the way this is being done is deceitful!

Are you aware that the ongoing Tfl consultation on the Radio about the ULEZ (Ultra Low Emission Zone) only mentions covering the city of London in all its adverts on the radio. This is because TFL are deliberately fooling Londoners into believing that it will only affect the City and central London. They are actually if you look at the consultation below, planning already to also push it to include the South circular and the north circular and to introduce a £12.50 daily charge for all vehicles older than a 2005! This is seriously going to affect hundreds of thousands of Londoners and they don't even know it's coming. If you look at the map the plans are to introduce these plans right up to Lewisham /Greenwich in the south and barnet in the North , this will affect the whole of London. Yes TFL do ask listeners to log onto Their TFL website for more info but not everyone listens to these radio stations, nor does everyone have access to computers to log onto their site and TFL have not done a mailing through the post office to Londoners telling them what to expect, None of the neighbours for instance in my street Ermine road in Lewisham have heard anything about this ULEZ ! It is very unfair and TFL are going to introduce this without the General public even knowing the facts or even being allowed to vote on something that is clearly detrimental to all Londoners futures, I mean come on how many people do you know that have a pre 2005 car, This is not just about diesel cars its about all cars not meeting euro 4 standards please look at the links and decide for yourself-which are here :-

https://consultations.tfl.gov.uk/environment/air-quality-consultation-p…

and here

https//www.theaa.com/driving-advice/london-low-emission-zone

Londoners only have until the 18th December to have their say on this!

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

Dougie
[email protected]

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TFL say that we will be given another chance to "have our say later" I believe it will only be on this Talk London site though, again a serious problem as just having the say of 15000 Londoners as before is not the say of London is it, especially when those 15000 are all registered on this site and all mainly cycle supporters and against motors clearly? This is my Main concern I firmly believe that if ALL LONDONERS had a say 8.4 million of them at 1st class stamp price and leaflet say combined £1 each totalling possibly £8.4 million is way short of what TFL wants to spend on super cycle highways at £154 million a year over 5 years making a total of £770 million. I believe if TFL did the right thing then Sadiq Khans wishes would be overturned and he and TFL Know it this is why you must spread the word to everyone to keep their eyes open because all Londoners are being denied the right to vote on this- ALL LONDONERS !.Demand a fair vote !!

Spot on SG65 well said! The biggest problem we have here is that TFL makes these decisions based on what people say on this site, they don't make it public knowledge other than to tell people to "log onto the tfl site for more information to see how it affects you " this they do on the radio and by some adverts in papers. They DO NOT do a postal leaflet letting people know the full implications of expanding the Zone. This was proved by the current state of affairs with only 15,000 people relying via this site. Wit London having a population of nearly 8.4 million this shows what I'm saying is true. If everyone living in London "had their say" like I keep hearing Sadiq Khan spouting on the radio the the result would be way different but I fear that this is the reason they don't publicise it more as they TFL want to expand the area !! Best thing is to write or email your local MP as we cant even do a petition online as the government say its not something they can get involved in even though it was they who told TFL to get it sorted....its a no win situation unless we help publicise this more !

Hi Jack, sorry to hear of your problems my friend ! It is unfortunate that the mayor of London has chosen to del with this matter in the way he has. Many hundreds of thousands of Londoners have been deprived of a say in this as it is only public knowledge on this site and the reason for this is because he the mayor sadiq khan has deliberately done it this way so he can sneak it in under the very noses of the voters who put him in power ! Try emailing him or TFL and see what you come up against I have and still had no satisfactory reply from my original complaint made on the 13th December 2016.......try for yourself to get someone to talk to you about the ULEZ- there is no one as its not been set up yet, contact your local MP as I have done jack and voice your concerns - please !!

LiamO- My man wow! everything you have said is what I have been saying for months, problem is this Talk London site is full of people who just want to talk about londons future being all about cycling ! They don't want to talk about the truths behind why we have pollution as its too easy to blame not just the diesel drivers but also now petrol car drivers too. If you don't mind I,d love to share your views to the other posts on this site ? Its a done eal I'm afraid though as TFL don't even reply to my emails about this which is very worrying- apparently they don't even have a ULEZ Team set up yet to answer any questions on the zone its expansion or its results on any consultation about the ULEZ expansion other than saying 15,000 people voted for it on this site , although no south London home or indeed north London home had a postal vote or indeed any leaflet through their door telling us we had a choice to be consulted !!