Cleaning up London’s toxic air
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The Ultra-Low Emission Zone (ULEZ) is an area within which all cars, motorcycles, vans, buses, coaches and heavy good vehicles will need to meet exhaust emission standards or pay a daily charge to travel. Some vehicles are exempt from the charge. The ULEZ is due to come into effect in September 2020, and will operate 24 hours a day, 7 days a week within the current Congestion Charging Zone (the yellow area on the map).
The Mayor is currently considering a range of measures relating to the ULEZ, such as extending its boundaries further out from the centre of London, in order to reduce pollution further and make a bigger improvement in air quality in London. These proposals are still to be refined, so we want to know your views on how the ULEZ might operate.
What do you think? Should the ULEZ focus only on the central London congestion charging zone, or be expanded further out, for example to the North/South Circular roads (red area of the map), or current London-wide Low Emission Zone for heavy vehicles (green area of the map)?
The discussion ran from 04 July 2016 - 04 October 2016
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Community Member 8 years agoCongratulations Talk London Team.
Show full commentYour last post just confirms that you do not listen to what people on this forum are saying.
You can tell us as many times as you like what TFL supposedly did to advertise the consultations but this doesn't...
Congratulations Talk London Team.
Show less of commentYour last post just confirms that you do not listen to what people on this forum are saying.
You can tell us as many times as you like what TFL supposedly did to advertise the consultations but this doesn't mean it was a success. The facts of the matter are that only 15,000, sorry 'over' 15,000 so I take that as 15,001, responses were received out of a population of how many Londoners?
As mentioned by many users, the methods for this so called advertising is not getting enough publicity as no-one I've spoken to at work and outside were aware of the T-Charge until it was announced it was coming into force. I've heard the TFL radio announcements and seen the TFL bus stop adverts on how TFL are making life for Londoners a misery...although apparently it's supposedly making it better. Maybe TFL should think about more appropriate means to publicise consultations on things that will affect all Londoners because 4:00am on Cowboy Radio or a half page spread in the Beano Gazette (apologies to all the Beano lovers) isn't prime radio time or main stream press. The Standard is a paper picked up by commuters who probably don't get a chance to read it due space restriction from overcrowding on public transport. As for mail shots, I as many others who are registered with TFL, have not received any emails or post about the consultations.
If TFL were a manufacturer or retailer of goods, I'm sure that by now, they would have appeared on Watchdog and have Trading Standards breathing down their necks. If TFL are doing such a wonderful job with all their implementations, provide evidence of which ones are a success and please do not say the cycle super highways as these are a success in peak hours but empty the rest of the day just like 24/7 bus lanes.
If TFL have the money to spend on (expensive) advertising on radio and press, put the money to better use and post details to all London residents. It's quite easy to do as we are all on the electoral registers.
If you want to tackle pollution in a fair and sensible way, start dealing with all the buses, taxis and minicabs that clog up the streets of London. Go to any main rail station in central London and see how many taxis are sitting in a queue with their engines running waiting for their next fare. Try using a bus and see if you can get from A to B without regulating with their engines running or blocking a box junction because a taxi or minicab is stopped picking up or dropping off a passenger in the most stupid of places. Once you've done this, come back to us for a fair consultation.
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Community Member 8 years agoSG65, My man... lol... the other 8.4 million Londoners never got it it pal ! Fancy a pint ? Lol at last a like minded intelligent individual who sees what I and others see , lies by TFL... Problem is its all about deceit- if the general...
Show full commentSG65, My man... lol... the other 8.4 million Londoners never got it it pal ! Fancy a pint ? Lol at last a like minded intelligent individual who sees what I and others see , lies by TFL... Problem is its all about deceit- if the general population don't know whats coming TFL will push all this through hence the ads in everything we don't buy ie, papers, mags , listen to radio stations that favour Sadiq Khan like LBC ETC...I have emailed and tweeted LBC,s presenters regularly and had no mention on this subject yet sadiq khans regularly on there live, I get no mention ever !! Same with the evening standard , again left wing and labour suporters, So left wing and so labour orientated...Look at http://www.WeRideLondon.com and see whats happening for bikers we can do the same for drivers !! Famous people are getting involved against this what is happening is a conspiracy and a farce and Londoners really do not know...lol its mad and its wrong !!
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Community Member 8 years agoSG65- WELL SAID MY MAN !!!
Show full commentSG65- WELL SAID MY MAN !!!
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Community Member 8 years agocjwoodley- YES that's exactly what they are saying, although I believe there should be no expansion of the ULEZ I like you believe that at the very least ALL Londoners should have their say as TFL keep drumming down our necks yet seem to...
Show full commentcjwoodley- YES that's exactly what they are saying, although I believe there should be no expansion of the ULEZ I like you believe that at the very least ALL Londoners should have their say as TFL keep drumming down our necks yet seem to prohibit us from doing the very thing they deprive us of-except through this site.
I myself only found out about this site through googling the ULEZ after a customer in my pub told me he was installing new cameras in Forest Hill on the south circular in preparation for the forthcoming ULEZ !!! I have emailed TFL about this and many many other things to do with the ULEZ for one and have only had one reply and that is when I had to approach my Local MP to contact them on my behalf due to the fact I too was being ignored.The fact I got a reply proves that TFL do get the emails they just choose to ignore them from people like me who clearly is against a lot of what they are doing. I put in a complaint on 13th December 2016 and got no reply. I asked for a copy of the numbers of people who were for and against the proposed ULEZ under the FOI - Freedom Of Information act and despite Sadiq Khan going public and announcing it starting I was told as it had not been reported yet I was not allowed the numbers. They do what they want and this is why I have a problem with them.TFL,s communication is disgusting its as though they only want people who want the same as themselves !! I have even been taken off other posts for my views yet they still do not respond !!
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Community Member 8 years agoI mean what gets my goat is that how can TFL expect to make a HUGE change to hundreds of thousands of Londoners lives without giving them the fair chance to actually "have their say" has anyone actually looked at where TFL say they have put...
Show full commentI mean what gets my goat is that how can TFL expect to make a HUGE change to hundreds of thousands of Londoners lives without giving them the fair chance to actually "have their say" has anyone actually looked at where TFL say they have put these adverts really ?
TFL Databases- I only learned of this AFTER I heard about the ULEZ !
Evening standard- I ride a bike so don't get one !
City AM- Who/what are they?
Trade publications-Local 24 Who/What are they?
Transport Today- Who/What are they?
Coach and bus week- I don't have a coach or bus why would I buy this?
Fleet World- I don't have a fleet of anything just my tipper truck and cars !
Why would I buy that also?
Web coverage on BBC News,Bloomberg (who are they),Air Quality News (where do I find that?)
Business Green - WHATS THAT ?
Local Publications- such as Get West London ( I live in south London-Lewisham why would I buy a paper from West London?
Digital Displays- Where ? I live in South London again.
A notice in the London Gazette- I don't buy that either !
Tweets- I only got a twitter account AFTER I heard about this nonsense !
It goes on and on and on but the whole thing is clear we in South London did not and were not told about any inclusion of the ULEZ was going to include the NORTH and SOUTH CIRCULAR because as TFL knows we in south London would not want it- what I DID hear on Radio was all about the t charge but the impression given was that it was only for Central London and NOTHING about the ULEZ or its inclusion to include south London was mentioned in these radio adverts- its appalling and deceitful
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Community Member 8 years agoComplete money making scheme. They have had riots not long ago. So watch this space, there could be a much bigger one if they try and do this.
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Community Member 8 years agoTalk London Can I just ask , with 56,000 motorcyclists using londons roads every day why have TFL and The Mayor Sadiq Khan not made any effort to include us riders in any plans other than to charge us for using Londons roads? Many millions...
Show full commentTalk London Can I just ask , with 56,000 motorcyclists using londons roads every day why have TFL and The Mayor Sadiq Khan not made any effort to include us riders in any plans other than to charge us for using Londons roads? Many millions I believe £770 million is to be spent on super cycle highways for bicycles over the next 5 years yet nothing for motorbikers!! We also have fatalities on Londons roads 36 killed in 2015 alone, why dont we get a mention? We actually filter in and out of traffic more freely yet TFL look to charge us!
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Community Member 8 years agoIt's stupid for motorcycles to be included in this. Obviously carrot crunching idiots behind this money making scheme.
Show full commentIt's stupid for motorcycles to be included in this. Obviously carrot crunching idiots behind this money making scheme.
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Community Member 8 years agopeter the problem is Sadiq Khan is is looking at all pre 2005 cars/vans and pre2007 motorbikes and making a blanket statement of how bad they are pollutant wise ! You are correct it is very stupid of him to include bikes because cars and...
Show full commentpeter the problem is Sadiq Khan is is looking at all pre 2005 cars/vans and pre2007 motorbikes and making a blanket statement of how bad they are pollutant wise ! You are correct it is very stupid of him to include bikes because cars and vans are worse when idling which is the very thing a motorbike does NOT have to do as we filter in and out the traffic. TFL keep going on also about bicycle deaths yearly in London what about motorcyclist deaths in 2015 there were 36 alone in London why do we not matter I wonder ? No real thought has gone into this at all and only allowing people who are signed up to this Site Talk London to "have their say" will only serve to allow TFL and Sadiq the power to do what they want without the real Londoners knowing about it - the 8.4 million I mean who are not written to to be informed exactly what the mayors plans are ....its all wrong !! Spread the word Peter ..
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Community Member 8 years agoOh for all those who ride a motorbike please get involved in this there are famous riders like Charlie Boorman , Jamie Oliver etc lending support to raise awareness for motorbikes being included in this crap ! TWITTER is @WeRideLondon or...
Show full commentOh for all those who ride a motorbike please get involved in this there are famous riders like Charlie Boorman , Jamie Oliver etc lending support to raise awareness for motorbikes being included in this crap ! TWITTER is @WeRideLondon or WeRideLondon.com.......Together folks WE CAN make a difference share this please !!!
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Community Member 8 years agoYou can talk until the cows come home about technical solutions to charge people to enter London in their car. The truth is Khan is not interested in fairness or about reducing emissions. His aim is to raise revenue to finance his grand...
Show full commentYou can talk until the cows come home about technical solutions to charge people to enter London in their car. The truth is Khan is not interested in fairness or about reducing emissions. His aim is to raise revenue to finance his grand spending plans. If diesels are the problem,which i doubt , then announce a ban to start in five years time. This gives everyone the opportunity to plan ahead. Remember Khan is a labour politician and like Ken Livingstone hits the very people he claims to represent. We`ve been here before.....
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Community Member 8 years agosteve he has more or less suggested that already m8, come 2023 TFL have said the oldest diesel allowed in the ZONE will have to be a maximum of only 5 years old and petrols 14 years old.This is why the whole idea sucks !! So Meanwhile while...
Show full commentsteve he has more or less suggested that already m8, come 2023 TFL have said the oldest diesel allowed in the ZONE will have to be a maximum of only 5 years old and petrols 14 years old.This is why the whole idea sucks !! So Meanwhile while we wait till 2023, we get a 100% Discount on the ULEZ Charge of £10 ONLY if your vehicle is registered as living in the ZONE (Currently the same area as the congestion zone).Everyone else living in London outside the Zone that drives into it will have to pay the Full Price of £10 Daily...On top of the daily Congestion ZONE Charge of £11.50.That includes builders, workers, delivery drivers, visitors etc to London also from day one ! So......If TFL is successful in Expanding The Ultra Low Emission Zone to include the South and North Circular this will mean that instead- from day one ALL LONDONERS WILL HAVE TO PAY THESE CHARGES NOT JUST THOSE LIVING IN CENTRAL LONDON !! And also those I mentioned earlier all the workers etc etc.... hes gonna make millions and its these millions hes gonna use to make stupid cycle lanes , I,d love to see a plumber taking a bundle of 22mm Copper from Lewisham to the Bank on a bicycle !! Oh and theres then the copper bends, flux,gas bottles,fittings and the Apprentice sitting on the bar of the bike ......lol
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Community Member 8 years agoThe current proposals will do very little to remove the most polluting cars from the road and nothing at all to deter people from continuing to buy or lease new diesel cars. They just penalise the less well off. It also beggars belief...
Show full commentThe current proposals will do very little to remove the most polluting cars from the road and nothing at all to deter people from continuing to buy or lease new diesel cars. They just penalise the less well off. It also beggars belief that mini-cabs will not be included. Just ban diesels, full stop. Very bad move by Saddiq.
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Community Member 8 years agoVery well put, the main problem I have is that TFL and the Mayor are ONLY using this site to give people the right to have a say on this matter? What about the other 8.4 million Londoners who don't know about Talk London? It's a con to...
Show full commentVery well put, the main problem I have is that TFL and the Mayor are ONLY using this site to give people the right to have a say on this matter? What about the other 8.4 million Londoners who don't know about Talk London? It's a con to push it through whether we like it or not, make this public do a postal ballot or at least put it on the news so EVERYONE HAS A SAY!!
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Community Member 8 years agoCity Dweller
How do you propose to BAN diesels at this time? They are still being manufactured and sold (that needs to be the starting point) and many diesel vehicles are vital to our supply chain (city dwellers become a little detached...
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How do you propose to BAN diesels at this time? They are still being manufactured and sold (that needs to be the starting point) and many diesel vehicles are vital to our supply chain (city dwellers become a little detached from where everything comes from and how it gets here).
Let's just take some time to think:
The food you consume travels along a supply chain from the source to processers, packers, warehouses and the shop - all on diesel vehicles. Lots of posts on this site suggest that the last leg of this could be done by having hubs outside of town that ferry the goods in on smaller vehicles (perhaps electric ones?). However, most supermarkets are supplied at night anyway and tend to get 2 articulated lorries per night. Each lorry is capable of carrying 24 tons and the contents would be perishables (in a chilled lorry - not one smoking a cigar and drinking a Pinacolader) and one with the rest - tins etc.
To deliver this on smaller vehicles would require a large depot near the M25 and a fleet of vehicles - 32 per shop. This would probably double the cost of your shopping.
Let's take another scenario:
A restaurant requires fresh produce each day - fish from Billingsgate/fruit & veg from New Covent Garden. They require clean table-cloths and napkins and, intermittant deliveries of drink and perhaps a hygiene company to deal with the toilets etc. All driving around in diesel commercial vehicles.
A hotel requires the same, in larger quantities, plus clean linen and a multitude of other items to keep those much needed tourists happy.
Cafés require fresh produce and take-away bags, cups, drinks etc. Millions of take-away cups (many not recyclable - are you guilty of throwing some away?) are disposed of annually. They didn't arrive on the back of a bike.
How about the scourge of cyclists - the construction lorries? Should we construct the Cross-Rail tunnel using the Great Escape method of putting soil down our trousers? Perhaps instead of using concrete we could collect some pebbles from the banks of the Thames.
This city requires a mind boggling array and quantity of goods and services every day and, for cost and efficiency reasons much of it travels in diesel vehicles. Until either the population shrinks or another ubiquitous and efficient fuel and vehicle is available we will have to muddle by but, in the scheme of things, what gets distributed by these vehicles, and the employment they generate, is far more important than whether or not people drive cars.
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Community Member 8 years agoI agree with Steve1956 in that Khan, TFL and the local authorities need to take this back to the drawing board. I live smack bang in the middle of the congestion zone and all I can say is that I've noticed a massive increase in stop/start...
Show full commentI agree with Steve1956 in that Khan, TFL and the local authorities need to take this back to the drawing board. I live smack bang in the middle of the congestion zone and all I can say is that I've noticed a massive increase in stop/start slow moving (usually stationary) traffic since all the 'local traffic improvements' have been implemented.
Here are just some of the examples around Holborn/Bloomsbury:
What used to be two way roads have been converted to one way (Tavistock Sq.) forcing traffic to bottleneck and find alternative routes which all aim towards the Euston Road, one of the most polluted roads already.
24/7 Bus lanes which are being used as bus stands forcing commuting buses into the only available lanes for cars, vans, motorbikes and cyclists to use causing more traffic.
Bus lane filter systems controlled by traffic lights (Theobalds Road/Proctor Street junction) for all other motor vehicles except black cabs. These lights only allow only 3-4 vehicles through whilst the bus lane is usually empty and allows free run of the junction to black cabs. Given there is another set of lights just after this filter system (20 yards), and given the number of black cabs in central London, this area soon fills and blocks all other vehicles from crossing and causes tailbacks.
Basically, the cause of most pollution/traffic comes from everything that has been supported by those who now say there is a problem. Buses, black cabs, probably the most polluting when you look at Oxford Street, which they say is one of the most polluted streets and most of it is closed to private vehicles, are exempt from paying the congestion charge. The vast increase in the number of minicabs add to traffic problems and are also exempt from paying the congestion charge are all licensed by TFL.
If they really want to do something to tackle pollution, they should:
1. limit the number of black cabs being licensed until the new "environmentally friendly" taxis are available.
2. Restrict the number of minicabs being licensed to operate in central London.
3. Work with bus companies to establish how many buses are actually required on a route rather than just allow Aviva and the likes to dictate and put x number of buses on a route where buses are usually less than half capacity due to there being so many and despite knowing there is no room for all these buses at the route terminus. This also results in buses 'regulating' in bus lanes and again, forcing other buses into a single generic lane.
4. Revisit all the 'traffic improvement' schemes implemented and see how they have failed to help clean the air and calm the traffic. When I say revisit, I mean actually get out there and have a look for themselves rather than listen to the teams who came up with the plans. After all, they are not going to say, 'oh, I think we got it wrong and just blown away millions'.
5. Set a maximum number of ULEZ free journeys a resident can drive within the zone in a week/month. Once exceeded, we pay. I can assure you that none of my neighbours plan to drive in peak traffic hours if they can avoid it.
Just to give a bit of background before anyone gets any ideas about me being anti everything, yes, I live in central London but I'm not wealthy. I drive but only weekends when I need to (elderly and disabled family members). I cycle, maybe not as much as I should, as I use public transport for my daily commute to/from work where, on a daily basis, I find myself on a bus regulating causing traffic all around me. I own a 'classic car', as recognised by insurance companies, but not under the ULEZ proposal as it's not 40+ years old.
So from my rant, I guess you can all work out that I don't support the ULEZ under it's current proposals for the congestion zone and I certainly do not support the extension of the ULEZ to the north/south circulars.
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Community Member 8 years agoSpot on SG65 well said! The biggest problem we have here is that TFL makes these decisions based on what people say on this site, they don't make it public knowledge other than to tell people to "log onto the tfl site for more information...
Show full commentSpot on SG65 well said! The biggest problem we have here is that TFL makes these decisions based on what people say on this site, they don't make it public knowledge other than to tell people to "log onto the tfl site for more information to see how it affects you " this they do on the radio and by some adverts in papers. They DO NOT do a postal leaflet letting people know the full implications of expanding the Zone. This was proved by the current state of affairs with only 15,000 people relying via this site. Wit London having a population of nearly 8.4 million this shows what I'm saying is true. If everyone living in London "had their say" like I keep hearing Sadiq Khan spouting on the radio the the result would be way different but I fear that this is the reason they don't publicise it more as they TFL want to expand the area !! Best thing is to write or email your local MP as we cant even do a petition online as the government say its not something they can get involved in even though it was they who told TFL to get it sorted....its a no win situation unless we help publicise this more !
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Community Member 8 years agoJust to pick up on one point, bus companies do not decide how many buses are used on a route, this is done by TfL. Most bus services in central London run much more frequently than is necessary, especially outside peak times. This is thanks...
Show full commentJust to pick up on one point, bus companies do not decide how many buses are used on a route, this is done by TfL. Most bus services in central London run much more frequently than is necessary, especially outside peak times. This is thanks to Ken Livingstone and the army of bureaucrats with no operational experience that he brought in, taking bus service planning away from the operators which actually knew what it was all about! However, there are major bus service cuts on the way to fund the mayor's fares freeze so this overprovision should be reduced.
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Community Member 8 years agoI don't agree with expanding the zone this much.
The effect aren't going to be much better emissions since there's not a lot of alternatives to driving.
If we are going to expand it we need another 5 years to have a reasonable chance for...
Show full commentI don't agree with expanding the zone this much.
The effect aren't going to be much better emissions since there's not a lot of alternatives to driving.
If we are going to expand it we need another 5 years to have a reasonable chance for the car stock to renew since we all got encouraged to buy diesels.
The result of expanding the zone is that 5 year old diesel cars will loose a lot of value and petrol will rise. I will probably have to sell my Euro 5 2011 and buy a much smaller 2005-7 petrol car. Emissions is not going to improve.
Can anyone point to a hybrid or something green that will actually fit at least 7 people who actually have legs please do. I can't find anything other than the Japanese Estima imports which are both hard to get repaired and fairly rare. Even if I could shoehorn everyone into a Prius plus they are really expensive.
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Community Member 8 years agoMayor Khan needs to take this idea back to the drawing board....or the litter bin ! I agree with it operating in the central congestion charging zone, but to extend it to the north and south circular boundary is totally unfair on...
Show full commentMayor Khan needs to take this idea back to the drawing board....or the litter bin ! I agree with it operating in the central congestion charging zone, but to extend it to the north and south circular boundary is totally unfair on ordinary people who can only afford to run an older vehicle. All vehicles pollute and the greatest source of the vehicle pollution in London comes from thousands of newer vehicles which are in the majority. There are many more poisonous toxins in petrol fumes than diesel. Its the sheer number of vehicles operating in London which is the cause of the problem..as in every major city in the world. This problem will never be solved unless the total number of vehicles is cut .and everyone should take the hit equally rich and poor .Making the polluter pay suggests its ok to pollute if you pay for it. A large engine new car can pollute much more than a small engined old car.
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Community Member 8 years agoFirst of all as a subject being as important is what it clearly is and will affect hundreds of thousands of Londoners if not millions, does TFL and the LONDON ASSEMBLY not think it appropriate and fair to advertise this subject publicly for...
Show full commentFirst of all as a subject being as important is what it clearly is and will affect hundreds of thousands of Londoners if not millions, does TFL and the LONDON ASSEMBLY not think it appropriate and fair to advertise this subject publicly for ALL LONDONERS to have their say on instead of hiding it in here under a sub section- its not even on the MAIN PAGE ! Only 12000 residents in Central London were asked their views on the just passed T charge when SOUTH LONDONERS and NORTH LONDONERS WERE NOT !! I find this very underhanded Sadiq Khan put this topic out there on the radio not just to TALK LONDON registered people this is exactly the behaviour I have complained to my local MP about !!!
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Community Member 8 years agowilliewonka
Show full commentI agree completely. The whole road "improvement" planning and charging system is disjointed and UNDEMOCATIC. It is not only the 8.4 million Londoners who have not been consulted on any of these matters - it's the hundreds of...
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I agree completely. The whole road "improvement" planning and charging system is disjointed and UNDEMOCATIC. It is not only the 8.4 million Londoners who have not been consulted on any of these matters - it's the hundreds of thousands of people around the country who have to drive into London, or the South-East, for a variety of reasons (predominantly for business).
This is starkly evident in the approach to expanding cycling provision. TfL has responsibility for the Red Routes, which are where the Cycle Super Highways are situated. However, the enormous pot of money (around £4billion) that is ear-marked for "Road Improvements" is open to all of London's local authorities and each makes their own plans and "consults" with local residents for approval on a multitude of local schemes. The problem is that each "local" scheme is seen as a separate entity and, on the face of it, appears to be unobtrusive. However, when each scheme is added together there has been, and will increasingly be, a surreptitious erosion of the road network, The scale of this erosion is such that, if the local authorities continue in this manner it will be impossible to traverse this city from one side to the other.
I firmly believe that ALL "local" road plans that result in the closure of PUBLIC roads should be corralled into one plan for the whole city, which should be handed over to the Dept of Transport so that proper due dilligence and cause and effect calculations are observed, and on which the general public should be fully consulted. This is, after all, OUR money they're spending.
Just some of the plans are:
The closure of The Bank junction to all traffic
The day-time closure of Tottenham Court Rd
The closure of Oxford St
All one-way systems to be converted to two-way traffic.
When these, and the multitude of small projects are added together they will result in a city that cannot operate as a centre of commerce.
What I don't understand is that the government is very keen on electric cars (especially autonomous ones) and they will want us all to own one in tye future. But, when the technology fuly exists, and there are sufficient charging infrastructure, and electricity generating capacity, where will we drive them?
As for the extended charging zone, how many cameras will be needed for this enormous area in order to catch an ever decreasing number of pre-2006 vehicles; and what is the cost of their installation and upkeep? My guess is it doesn't stop with older cars.
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Community Member 8 years agoHave just read through a number of these comments - I know we need to cut pollution, and I always travel by public transport in central London, on my Freedom pass.
Show full commentHowever, I use my car locally because I cannot carry heavy shopping bags...
Have just read through a number of these comments - I know we need to cut pollution, and I always travel by public transport in central London, on my Freedom pass.
Show less of commentHowever, I use my car locally because I cannot carry heavy shopping bags due to severe arthritis, and also take my 90 year old mother, plus other elderly relatives out and about.
I have children living over 100 miles away, and need the car to get to see them and my grand children (rail travel is prohibitively expensive and they would still need to collect me from the nearest station, as there is no bus service)
I don't want to move out of London, having lived here all my life (and can trace my family here back to the 1700s - we don't move around much!) but this is what I will be forced to do if the area is pushed back to the Nth Circ. I can't afford a new car on my pension.
I don't know what the answer is - but perhaps it's not to build more homes in London? They have built houses on every patch of land around here - and every person moving in brings a car with them it seems. The people born and bred here - be they black, white or any ethnic backgrounds, certainly can't afford them - so they're all for people moving in to London -. Would they be better living elsewhere and commuting in by train?
That may be one of the solutions?
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Community Member 8 years agoHi Jack, sorry to hear of your problems my friend ! It is unfortunate that the mayor of London has chosen to del with this matter in the way he has. Many hundreds of thousands of Londoners have been deprived of a say in this as it is only...
Show full commentHi Jack, sorry to hear of your problems my friend ! It is unfortunate that the mayor of London has chosen to del with this matter in the way he has. Many hundreds of thousands of Londoners have been deprived of a say in this as it is only public knowledge on this site and the reason for this is because he the mayor sadiq khan has deliberately done it this way so he can sneak it in under the very noses of the voters who put him in power ! Try emailing him or TFL and see what you come up against I have and still had no satisfactory reply from my original complaint made on the 13th December 2016.......try for yourself to get someone to talk to you about the ULEZ- there is no one as its not been set up yet, contact your local MP as I have done jack and voice your concerns - please !!
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Community Member 8 years agoShould the Mayor seek to get businesses to relocate out of London? Work is one of the key drivers for people moving into London. Houses of Parliament in Hull, Tech sector in Droitwich, Financial Sector in Redruth.
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Community Member 8 years agoMy apologies the date changed after i commented to todays date, just confusing thats all. In any event my other questions still remain if you could answer please especially in regards to the inclusion of the south and north circular.I have...
Show full commentMy apologies the date changed after i commented to todays date, just confusing thats all. In any event my other questions still remain if you could answer please especially in regards to the inclusion of the south and north circular.I have been sent a link but its no good as it only shows what the consultation was not the results ......if someone would care to elaborate please.
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Community Member 8 years agoI might be commenting after the horse has bolted but I can't help but feel that a lot of people posting on this site have bought into all of the scaremongering that we are all going to die from respiratory diseases caused by motor vehicles...
Show full commentI might be commenting after the horse has bolted but I can't help but feel that a lot of people posting on this site have bought into all of the scaremongering that we are all going to die from respiratory diseases caused by motor vehicles (predominately diesel ones). I would like to make a few observations about the ULEZ:
The start point of charging is surely arbitrary - there is no magic barrier between one side of the North/South Circular or the M25. Toxic fumes travel in the air and are dissipated.
We used to manufacture many things in this country, particularly during the Industrial Revolution, but somewhere along the line our commercial and political leaders decided that it would be better to have the Chinese do it for us, leaving us with crisp, clean air. The Chinese then built new cities and hundreds of coal powered power stations and embarked on a financial splurge on consumer goods and the world's mineral and water rights. The upshot is that their new cities are under a cloud of smog the likes of which we haven't seen since the 1960's. However, this smog doesn't just stay there - it travels around the globe - so the hand wringing about this side or that of the North/South Circular means very little.
The devices you are using to post your comments were invariably manufactured in China and you are not as carbon-neutral as you would like to think. Why do TfL and the local authorities sell the notion that they can reduce emissions on a street by street basis? Why is it that a lot of the roads being closed to through traffic are in more affluent areas, where residents stand to gain from increases in their property value? Why does Kensington & Chelsea have the 2nd longest life expectancy in the country when they have some of the heaviest urban traffic flows?
The much vaunted 9k deaths per year never seems to fluctuate and is never explained in regional differences - those living near the busiest roads should have the highest mortality rates - and the data doesn't filter out respiratory conditions caused by smoking or industrial pollutents and doesn't clearly explain what "early death" is. These are not people dying in the prime of life but they may not be meeting the predicted life-span. The main factor, I believe, is poverty - it kills more people than emissions. Those below the poverty line have a worse diet and more medical complications than those on average earnings and are therefore more susceptible to "early" death.
We do need to plan for the future and reduce (on a global basis) our human detritus but this will need to be done from a much wider perspective than the one adopted by our local authorities and TfL. We badly need the Department of Transport to instigate a review of road and traffic planning in our major cities so that the response is balanced and not the scalpel approach that makes motorists the cancer and local politicians the scalpel.
The main point to remember is that we all need the tansport network for everything we consume. Waging war on commercial diesel vehicles is akin to chewing on your own arm.
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Community Member 8 years agoLiamO- My man wow! everything you have said is what I have been saying for months, problem is this Talk London site is full of people who just want to talk about londons future being all about cycling ! They don't want to talk about the...
Show full commentLiamO- My man wow! everything you have said is what I have been saying for months, problem is this Talk London site is full of people who just want to talk about londons future being all about cycling ! They don't want to talk about the truths behind why we have pollution as its too easy to blame not just the diesel drivers but also now petrol car drivers too. If you don't mind I,d love to share your views to the other posts on this site ? Its a done eal I'm afraid though as TFL don't even reply to my emails about this which is very worrying- apparently they don't even have a ULEZ Team set up yet to answer any questions on the zone its expansion or its results on any consultation about the ULEZ expansion other than saying 15,000 people voted for it on this site , although no south London home or indeed north London home had a postal vote or indeed any leaflet through their door telling us we had a choice to be consulted !!
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Community Member 8 years ago"Talk London Administrator" I am a bit concerned as to the date on the top of this page as being "posted" on the 24Th January 2017 by yourself yet most of the posts on this page were made over 6 months ago. Is this topic now closed or is it...
Show full comment"Talk London Administrator" I am a bit concerned as to the date on the top of this page as being "posted" on the 24Th January 2017 by yourself yet most of the posts on this page were made over 6 months ago. Is this topic now closed or is it to be consulted upon again its very confusing ! Can you clarify please what is happening here and if indeed the south circular and/the north circular is to be included once the ULEZ starts in 2020 is it? There seems to be no update on this matter publicly from TFL, surely we as londoners dont have to wait until the spring?
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Community Member 8 years agoWOW LOOK AT THIS FOLKS !!
Show full commenthttp://www.spiked-online.com/newsite/article/london-is-not-bound-in-tox…
WOW LOOK AT THIS FOLKS !!
Show less of commenthttp://www.spiked-online.com/newsite/article/london-is-not-bound-in-tox…
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Community Member 8 years agoIts very simple really look here and share if you agree ! If TFL can do a consultation in 5 weeks they can do this !!
http://talklondon.london.gov.uk/homes-spaces/environment/discussions/ul…
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Community Member 8 years agoCan someone "smarter" than me please explain why we have an emissions test as part of our annual MOT Inspection?
IF it fails the emission test then the vehicle fails the MOT.
Why then if we pass do we still have to adhere to the Euro 4...
Show full commentCan someone "smarter" than me please explain why we have an emissions test as part of our annual MOT Inspection?
IF it fails the emission test then the vehicle fails the MOT.
Why then if we pass do we still have to adhere to the Euro 4 standards ? especially as we are leaving the EU and also why/when this goes ahead are we still subjected to EURO 4 laws if we will not be part of the EU?
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Community Member 8 years agoAny move to help reduce pollution has my backing. Why not join in with Paris, Mexico City, Madrid and Athens and bring in a diesel ban in 2025?
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Community Member 8 years agoReduction of air pollution is going to happen and since the chief cause - although not the only one - is the diesel engine, that is the one that is going to have to clean up its act.
Show full commentReduction of air pollution is going to happen and since the chief cause - although not the only one - is the diesel engine, that is the one that is going to have to clean up its act.
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Community Member 8 years agoI am very confused TFL say on this site that the emission zone is going to be the same area as the congestion zone and from 7 am to 6pm but all i hear on LBC (TFL,S favourite media reps!) is that its gonna be 24 hours a day 7 days a week...
Show full commentI am very confused TFL say on this site that the emission zone is going to be the same area as the congestion zone and from 7 am to 6pm but all i hear on LBC (TFL,S favourite media reps!) is that its gonna be 24 hours a day 7 days a week.and is gonna charge £12.50 a day .!! On your website it also says that you want to extend the zone to include the south and north circular.....Why not advertise this on the RADIO ? What is the truth TFL ?
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Community Member 8 years agoCan the Mayor of London and/or TFL explain to the public and I why they are already installing LEZ cameras on the south circular at Forest Hill SE23 when the consultation is still ongoing until December 18th This year?
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Can the Mayor of London and/or TFL explain to the public and I why they are already installing LEZ cameras on the south circular at Forest Hill SE23 when the consultation is still ongoing until December 18th This year?
Show less of commentIs it fair to say that you have decided on this already and we are wasting out time being consulted ? I have emailed TFL 3 times regarding this and have yet to recieve an answer, perhaps on this site you may respond as it is public?