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At present, London is in breach of legal limits for a pollutant called Nitrogen Dioxide (NOx) which contributes to poor health, particularly respiratory problems such as wheezing, coughing, colds, flu and bronchitis. The Mayor has proposed the introduction of an Emissions Surcharge, to be introduced from 2017. The charge aims to reduce the number of most polluting vehicles from driving within the Congestion Charging Zone.

It is suggested that it would operate in the same zone and at the same times as the Congestion Charge (7am – 6pm, Monday to Friday). The charge would affect only the oldest vehicles that travel into the zone which are pre-Euro 4 standard. Broadly speaking, this means that only vehicles first registered with the Driver and Vehicle Licensing Agency (DVLA) before January 2005 will be affected and will be required to pay the daily charge. Even if the UK leaves the EU, the emissions limits defined by the Euro 4 standards would still apply. These vehicles would be required to pay a daily charge which could be set at around £10 in addition to the Congestion Charge which is currently £11.50 (and any Low Emission Zone charges if applicable). The ES Charge is a short term measure, designed to take action ahead of the implementation of ULEZ in 2020. When the Ultra Low Emission Zone starts operation (currently planned for September 2020), the Emissions Surcharge could be discontinued, but this is subject to specific consultation in Autumn 2016. It is proposed that majority of exemptions and discounts that apply to the Congestion Charge would also apply to the Emissions Surcharge. This would mean that residents would only pay 10% of the daily charge, other discounts/exemptions for Blue Badge Holders, taxis and private hire vehicles. This would mean that residents would only pay 10% of the daily charge. Unlike the Congestion Charge, it is also proposed that vehicles with 9 or more seats including buses and coaches would be required to pay the charge as they con

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Thanks very much all for your views and ideas posted here. These will all be given to City Hall's environment team.Here's a message from Sadiq on what happens next with the clean air consultation as a whole.

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It's right to target the most polluting vehicles, but contrary to expectation the most polluting vehicles are NOT those older than 2005.

The vehicles that emit the most NO2/NOx and particulates which are most damaging to health are...

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It's right to target the most polluting vehicles, but contrary to expectation the most polluting vehicles are NOT those older than 2005.

The vehicles that emit the most NO2/NOx and particulates which are most damaging to health are, surprisingly, the NEWER DIESELS. These are the findings of recent real-world research carried out in London. It's a bit dense to wade through, but please please take 10 minutes to read the results: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1352231013007140

"The main finding from this work is that there is little evidence of NOx emissions reduction from all types of diesel vehicles over the past 15–20 years. It is only petrol passenger cars (including hybrids) where strong evidence exists for effective NOx control. "

" emissions of NOx from modern (Euro 5) petrol passenger cars are on average a FACTOR of 10 less than equivalent diesel cars. Furthermore, in agreement with previous work the NO2/NOx ratio for petrol vehicle NOx is also very low as shown in Fig. 2 and Table 2 — typically <5%"

So the most effective policy you could introduce is to discourage the use of modern diesel engines in London. Even a policy that encourages diesel black cabs to be retrofitted with petrol engines would solve 90% of the problem overnight! How about £25 a day T-charge for all diesels? Petrol / petrol hybrids can come in for free to encourage the switch and avoid accusations of extra tax overall.

I hope you can see that this is also a more equitable policy for poorer households, as they can use an inexpensive petrol car in London without having to go out and buy a brand new vehicle.

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I am very confused TFL say on this site that the emission zone is going to be the same area as the congestion zone and from 7 am to 6pm but all i hear on LBC (TFL,S favourite media reps!) is that its gonna be 24 hours a day 7 days a week...

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I am very confused TFL say on this site that the emission zone is going to be the same area as the congestion zone and from 7 am to 6pm but all i hear on LBC (TFL,S favourite media reps!) is that its gonna be 24 hours a day 7 days a week.and is gonna charge £12.50 a day .!! What is the truth TFL ?

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I feel extremely cheated. We were told 2020, and then it is brought forward three years with almost no notice. Byebye job.

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I agree, some workers will have bought a pre-2005 car expecting that it would serve them until 2020. If the emmissions ruling is brought forward to 2017 there's no way you could even sell such a car to anyone who lives in or drives in to...

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I agree, some workers will have bought a pre-2005 car expecting that it would serve them until 2020. If the emmissions ruling is brought forward to 2017 there's no way you could even sell such a car to anyone who lives in or drives in to London.

Give science a chance to meet the emmissions standards with new cars being registered every day and pre- 2005 cars leaving the roads through end of usefull life.

I find it incredible that a Labour Mayor wants to implement at the earliest opportunity a daily charge that is imposed on poorer workers for not having a younger nicer car. (£10 per day/£200 per month!)

Can't afford a nicer car?...... On your bike mate!

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How about introducing a smart overhead monorail network to provide extra public transport capacity without clogging the roads or rail and underground networks?

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Lies, Lies, Lies, Tax Tax Tax, Spin Spin Spin. Punish companies that invest in new engines to reduce emissions, charge companies that have vehicles over 9 seats who are reducing the amount of cars in London. Have a website where the public...

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Lies, Lies, Lies, Tax Tax Tax, Spin Spin Spin. Punish companies that invest in new engines to reduce emissions, charge companies that have vehicles over 9 seats who are reducing the amount of cars in London. Have a website where the public can make comments that will be a waste of time and just used as a PR stunt. Surely if a bus/coach is reducing the amount of cars entering London you should be encouraging this. So you charge all private companies and make them spend fortunes on new low emission engines but make your own vehicles exempt. Message to Sadiq, promote and support companies that reduce cars on the roads, we are trying to help.

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Talk London - Looking at your last post, you seem to assume that older vehicles are worse for people and the environment, I am not sure we have all the facts to prove this e.g. Old vehicles with Diesel engines produce soot which drops out...

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Talk London - Looking at your last post, you seem to assume that older vehicles are worse for people and the environment, I am not sure we have all the facts to prove this e.g. Old vehicles with Diesel engines produce soot which drops out of the air, whereas the nano particulates from newer vehicles stay airborne until absorbed by something or someone’s lungs. Observation - in many fields as measuring techniques evolve the measurable somehow becomes important (because it can be measured). I think it is time that the important hazards to humans and animals became measurable (e.g. at nano scale). There is already a growing body of evidence to support the case that newer vehicles are producing more hazardous particles.

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Many thanks for all your comments so far on this discussion. Some really interesting points, which will be fed back City Hall environment team to help develop policies further before detailed consultations later this year.

Is a daily £10 charge the right amount to deter people from driving older vehicles in central London? Do you think it should be more or less than this amount? Should any particular vehicles receive discounts or exemptions, as with the Congestion Charging Zone and upcoming Ultra-Low Emission Zone?

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Many would agree with the principle that to get rid of the most polluting vehicles, tax them more. However, as Horace has previously stated, the Mayor will be hitting the least well off the most and so likely to face a battle. The most...

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Many would agree with the principle that to get rid of the most polluting vehicles, tax them more. However, as Horace has previously stated, the Mayor will be hitting the least well off the most and so likely to face a battle. The most likely candidates for exemptions are those that are necessary for their business - taxi's, buses etc. However, these are the very vehicles that are the worst offenders. The Mayor should really make a push for greener transport and help people make the switch. People might be more accepting of the £10 charge if they can see that greener options are coming on stream in due course

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The question that lies behind the one Talk London asks is this...

Is a daily £10 charge the right amount to stop poorer workers from driving their older vehicles in central London? Do you think it would be pointless to charge more because...

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The question that lies behind the one Talk London asks is this...

Is a daily £10 charge the right amount to stop poorer workers from driving their older vehicles in central London? Do you think it would be pointless to charge more because they couldn't afford an extra £50 per week anyway?

If the results of the questionnaire show that a large majority support implementing the emmissions charge from 2017 it'll just reflect the fact that the large majority drive cars from 2005 or younger. Those same Euro4 and newer drivers would enjoy having poorer workers taken off the roads as soon as possible. That'll make their own drive into London much nicer, and it won't cost them a penny more.

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It's certainly a step in the right direction but with all the exemptions listed I wonder how effective it will be. For example, what proportion of vehicles are private hire and taxis. Whilst the initiative should be supported it should also...

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It's certainly a step in the right direction but with all the exemptions listed I wonder how effective it will be. For example, what proportion of vehicles are private hire and taxis. Whilst the initiative should be supported it should also seek longer term and more effective solutions. Some of the European cities are introducing electric vehicle recharging technology called 'flash charge' whereby the vehicle gets recharged by induction (like an electric toothbrush) by hovering over metal strips for a minute or two. It's a bold move but if we really want to tackle pollution let's at least investigate and then invest

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I am against the proposals. ULEZ should be phased in over a longer period, around 10 years - so that poorer citizens are not priced off the road. Bringing it in this quickly is a punitive measure that will financially hurt people with older...

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I am against the proposals. ULEZ should be phased in over a longer period, around 10 years - so that poorer citizens are not priced off the road. Bringing it in this quickly is a punitive measure that will financially hurt people with older vehicles which will become worthless. Instead of attacking private motorists, Mr Khan should devote his time to improving greener public transport - which s currently dirty, overcrowded and very unreliable.

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The Mayor and TFL need to be honest about the real aims of the T-Charge and ULEZ schemes.

I was amazed to see that petrol cars account for only 3% of London NOx emissions. That is according to the pie chart in TFL’s ULEZ consultation...

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The Mayor and TFL need to be honest about the real aims of the T-Charge and ULEZ schemes.

I was amazed to see that petrol cars account for only 3% of London NOx emissions. That is according to the pie chart in TFL’s ULEZ consultation: https://consultations.tfl.gov.uk/environment/ultra-low-emission-zone

So I asked myself why on Earth are petrol cars included at all in the T-Charge and ULEZ proposals?

I found the answer buried in the London Assembly’s response to the ULEZ consultation. This contains an admission that one of the aims of the ULEZ is supposedly to reduce global warming (see middle of page 4): https://www.london.gov.uk/sites/default/files/gla_migrate_files_destina…

‘However, a secondary aim of the ULEZ is also to reduce C02 emissions. Petrol vehicles tend to have higher CO2 emissions than diesels of equivalent age…’

Global warming doesn’t seem to be mentioned in TFL’s ULEZ or T-Charge proposals.

Realistically, whatever is done with taxes on cars in London, the effect on global CO2 emissions will be roughly nil.

It will be deeply unpopular if drivers in central London have to pay punitive taxes on older petrol cars, not because it is necessary to reduce local NOx levels but because certain politicians want to delude themselves that they are ‘doing something’ about global warming. Especially when drivers in other parts of the world continue to drive gas-guzzling vehicles with impunity, often paying much less tax on petrol than we do in the UK.

For the public to accept these schemes, they must be clearly and exclusively focused on solving the NOx pollution problem in central London, which means taking action on diesel vehicles.

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The average age of cars may well be 7.7 years, but in 2015 15.3% of vehicles were over 13 years old (Vehicle Licensing Statistics Table VEH0207 (https://www.gov.uk/government/collections/vehicles-statistics)), and these figures are...

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The average age of cars may well be 7.7 years, but in 2015 15.3% of vehicles were over 13 years old (Vehicle Licensing Statistics Table VEH0207 (https://www.gov.uk/government/collections/vehicles-statistics)), and these figures are increasing in much the same way and for much the same reason as population statistics.

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Petrol cars are not the problem.
Petrol cars made over the past 20 years have catalytic convertors, which mean they produce very little CO or NO2 - NO NEW TAXES

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Petrol cars are not the problem.
Petrol cars made over the past 20 years have catalytic convertors, which mean they produce very little CO or NO2 - NO NEW TAXES

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It might not be long before retrofit in-wheel electric motors are available. People pressure could push this - lobby Government for an affordable retrofit electric drive scheme?

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The emissions surcharge should apply to the whole of London (the low emissions zone) as should the Ultra Low Emissions Zone.
It is arbitrary and unfair that outer London residents, who are afflicted by the *same* level of NOx and PM...

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The emissions surcharge should apply to the whole of London (the low emissions zone) as should the Ultra Low Emissions Zone.
It is arbitrary and unfair that outer London residents, who are afflicted by the *same* level of NOx and PM pollutants near their main roads should not be afforded the same level of protection as other Londoners.

The 10% payment for residents is too low. The majority of residents in inner London do not drive, let-alone own a vehicle. It is not fair or conscionable that minority of London residents who own a car should have some right to pollute, when even buses (which save on pollution) will be subject to the full costs. Air pollution is an urgent matter in terms of public health, public expenditure, and personal rights to clean air. It needs fair and drastic measures not half hearted measures.

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I guess in short that you would prefer the rich-poor divide to get even worse ?

People drive in and out of the LEZ wether they want to or not, regardless of where they live. If people cannot travel to clients, pernmanent place of...

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I guess in short that you would prefer the rich-poor divide to get even worse ?

People drive in and out of the LEZ wether they want to or not, regardless of where they live. If people cannot travel to clients, pernmanent place of employment (as in a lot of cases busses nor trains would serve where people need to go) then they would lose work and will also be financially ruined as a result.

Quite a few people also have to provide their own tools and equipment to be able to carry out any work that they need to do and if they are financially prohibited from carrying out any work then they will go bust and drive up unemployment.

Also, a lot of poor people (spelt most people) cannot afford brand new cars and will be forced off the roads towards unemployment as a result - let the downward spiral begin !!

The suggestion of penalising (and patronising) people who are trying to make a living by applying the ULEZ to the entire LEZ area I think to be honest is grossly unfair and completely absurd.

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In the opinion of the Federation of British Historic Vehicle Clubs, it is a shame that it is proposed to levy the old vehicle surcharge on the Congestion Charge on historic vehicles.

Unlike in the case of previous environmental protection...

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In the opinion of the Federation of British Historic Vehicle Clubs, it is a shame that it is proposed to levy the old vehicle surcharge on the Congestion Charge on historic vehicles.

Unlike in the case of previous environmental protection schemes the full extent of arguments for exemption simply has not been able to be presented.

In most developed countries, and indeed in both the Greater London LEZ and the London ULEZ as currently proposed, it has been recognised that historic vehicles are an important part of our culture and social history. The use of historic vehicles is rare. The purpose for which they enter the modern traffic in cities is usually for specific events which give pleasure to many of the public, including non-participants. They cannot have any measurable effect on the overall pollution levels in London and thus deserve to be exempted.
We hope the decision might be revisited.

We will explain our approach more fully in the promised full consultation in the Autumn.

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Totally agree with previous comments that this sounds like another stealth tax by the mayor.
Major problem in London is the exploding population levels. more people = more pollution.
Pollution is going to get worse with more people and more...

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Totally agree with previous comments that this sounds like another stealth tax by the mayor.
Major problem in London is the exploding population levels. more people = more pollution.
Pollution is going to get worse with more people and more construction works.

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Excellent idea, also please start talks with the CCS consortium (they are developing ultra fast chargers - 150KWh) to install these ultra fast chargers around the city.

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Excellent idea, also please start talks with the CCS consortium (they are developing ultra fast chargers - 150KWh) to install these ultra fast chargers around the city.

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Charging by age of vehicle wil not help at all. The charge should reflect the on-road emissions of different types of vehicle. See this recent study of on road emissions: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii...

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Charging by age of vehicle wil not help at all. The charge should reflect the on-road emissions of different types of vehicle. See this recent study of on road emissions: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1352231013007140
# Diesels emit around 10 time more toxic pollution than petrol engines
# Newer diesels are MORE polluting than older (circa 2005) models
Conclusion: Charge diesels to stop them coming into London, especially the newer ones. Encourage people to switch to petrol or petrol hybrids.

The current proposal would encourage people to switch to modern diesels which are the most polluting of all!

From that study:
"The main finding from this work is that there is little evidence of NOx emissions reduction from all types of diesel vehicles over the past 15–20 years. It is only petrol passenger cars (including hybrids) where strong evidence exists for effective NOx control. "

" emissions of NOx from modern (Euro 5) petrol passenger cars are on average a factor of 10 less than equivalent diesel cars. Furthermore, in agreement with previous work the NO2/NOx ratio for petrol vehicle NOx is also very low as shown in Fig. 2 and Table 2 — typically <5% except for Euro 5."

So please please please can we rid our London streets of these horrible dirty diesels?

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Another aspect of the diesel scandal is that much of the emissions-control equipment in EURO V or EURO VI vehicles is turned off when the temperature is "too low" or "too high" (i.e. away from the temperature used in the test cycle). Given...

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Another aspect of the diesel scandal is that much of the emissions-control equipment in EURO V or EURO VI vehicles is turned off when the temperature is "too low" or "too high" (i.e. away from the temperature used in the test cycle). Given this, manufacturers should be required to report the ambient temperature range within which their emissions-control equipment is fully effective. When the ambient temperature in London lies outside this range (e.g. winter), vehicles which are emissions-compliant at the test temperature should be charged the non-compliant emissions surcharge.

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Indeed you're right, much better to look at actual on road emissions: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1352231013007140
Which shows that the modern dirty diesels are even dirtier than the old ones!

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Indeed you're right, much better to look at actual on road emissions: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1352231013007140
Which shows that the modern dirty diesels are even dirtier than the old ones!

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Hi,
Please.....can someone show this article to Mayor Khan.....no extra tax or charges on citizen.....deal with car manufacturers who lied to you about emission data.....the cars mentioned in this article are new cars....

Californian...

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Hi,
Please.....can someone show this article to Mayor Khan.....no extra tax or charges on citizen.....deal with car manufacturers who lied to you about emission data.....the cars mentioned in this article are new cars....

Californian regulators reject Volkswagen diesel recall plan
Dieselgate fix for 3.0-litre engine said to be 'insufficient'
Volkswagen Toureg
Sam Sheehan
by Sam Sheehan
14 July 2016

"The Californian Air Resource Board (CARB) has rejected Volkswagen’s proposed emissions fix for its 3.0-litre diesel engine fitted to Volkswagens, Audis and Porsches.

The board claimed that the plans submitted by all three companies were “incomplete and deficient in a number of areas”, and that ongoing technical discussions will need to be had before an agreement can be made.

Volkswagen has responded in an offical statement, saying: “We understand that today's announcement from CARB is a procedural step under California state law and relates to recall plans for vehicles with V6 3.0-litre TDI engines that were submitted previously.

"We continue to work closely with the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) and CARB to try to secure approval of a technical resolution for our vehicles as quickly as possible.”

Models affected by the decision are those that use Volkswagen’s 'generation 2.1' and '2.2' V6 diesel units, such as the Volkswagen Touareg (pictured above), Porsche Cayenne and Audi A8 built between 2009 and 2016.

An estimated 85,000 vehicles use these engines across the US, with a significant percentage residing in California.

Volkswagen has previously said that ‘fixing’ all of these vehicles would not be complicated, but this latest development has lead some to suggesting the car maker may be forced to buy back all of the cars if an agreement can’t be made.

Just last month Volkswagen agreed to spend more than $1 billion (about £757 million) to remedy issues created by its emissions cheating software. CARB said the money includes about $380 million for projects to encourage the use of cleaner heavy-duty vehicles, and £800 million for investment into California’s zero-emissions programmes.

The car maker also reached a settlement worth more than $15 billion (about £11.33 billion) with US regulators to resolve emissions issues with its 2.0-litre diesel models, including offering to buy back offending cars.

Volkswagen has maintained that European customers affected by dieselgate won’t be receiving any compensation or buy back schemes because an agreement has been made with European regulators".

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I do not see the logic in exemptions for blue badge holders. Surely they should be switching to more environmentally friendly vehicles too?

Residents who have big polluting cars also should not have a 90% discount. The issue is different...

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I do not see the logic in exemptions for blue badge holders. Surely they should be switching to more environmentally friendly vehicles too?

Residents who have big polluting cars also should not have a 90% discount. The issue is different to the congestion charge. Yes, they need to drive locally, but they do not need to drive Chelsea tractors. As most of their journeys are within the most polluted areas they should be hit at least as hard as everyone else. As long as you give them a year to change their vehicle it is fair.

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