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London voted to stay in the European Union, but the country voted to leave. The coming months will bring the start of negotiations that will steer its way forwards through a ‘Brexit’ process and beyond.

Membership of the European Union meant access to the single market - meaning no trade restrictions or tariffs and free movement of services, goods and people between the UK and member countries. What follows could therefore shape future trade, establishment, investment and possibly civic life in general in the capital.

What do you think are the key issues for the capital through this negotiation process and beyond? What are the conditions needed for London to move forward with the UK no longer part of the European Union? How can we unite to build towards a strong future for the capital?

The discussion ran from 28 June 2016 - 28 September 2016

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People imagine that having voted for something they have an entitlement. If the country votes for Brexit, they can demand access to the single market without free movement. Well you can't. So tough.
But we voted, we are entitled. Well, be...

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People imagine that having voted for something they have an entitlement. If the country votes for Brexit, they can demand access to the single market without free movement. Well you can't. So tough.
But we voted, we are entitled. Well, be careful what you wish for.
You are entitled to nothing and you get nothing. I might vote against the laws of physics or economics. A majority might do so.
But what about the £350million we were offered? There is no money. We lost it all. As the value of the pound has gone down, this amount has actually gone up. The border in Ireland will remain so we are not going to be able to control our own borders - except in Gibraltar - our other land border. Cameron was accused of scare-mongering about the possibility of a war in Europe. Brexit is for life not just for Christmas. Who knows in 30 years. What idf the Spanish take Gibraltar. You were told all this by the Remain campaign but chose not to believe it. Will the Leave side now tell you what happens next? Would you even cross the road without knowing whether a bus was going to knock you down? Idiocy.

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We were not offered £350million. It was just a slick trick for manipulating people into voting for the extreme right to take over the Tory government.

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I'm British, I left the UK in 2004 and I voted to stay in the EU.

Any of the companies who are leaving the UK for the EU, I can recommend Germany as a fantastic place to set up. I've lived in Berlin and now I live in Munich both are...

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I'm British, I left the UK in 2004 and I voted to stay in the EU.

Any of the companies who are leaving the UK for the EU, I can recommend Germany as a fantastic place to set up. I've lived in Berlin and now I live in Munich both are really nice places to relocate your business to.

Previously I've lived in Amsterdam and Haarlem and both of them are amazing places to live and work.

In Germany most people will be able to speak English and plenty of companies have English speaking working environments without worrying about recruiting English speaking staff. Although a very small minority of Germans don't speak English fluently. Where as in the Netherlands everyone speaks perfect English perfectly.

I've also lived in Zurich and plenty of people speak English, but it's to expensive for me to recommend any companies to relocate there.

Out of all the places I've lived I would recommend Berlin as the city for companies to relocate to, in order to stay in the EU.

Berlin has an amazing infrastructure for startup's to get funding and it's amazingly cheap. As well as a massive amount of English speakers.

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I take it you are not planning on returning the UK, which has a good chance of being an economic wreck for some time to come? Thanks so much for your encouragement of the flight of investment and jobs from London to other EU capitals; we...

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I take it you are not planning on returning the UK, which has a good chance of being an economic wreck for some time to come? Thanks so much for your encouragement of the flight of investment and jobs from London to other EU capitals; we Londoners really appreciate that.

Not that your contribution is needed - every main EU capital is offering competitve packages to entice London financial and other companies to leave the UK.

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There are two choices, either reunite London with the rest of the U.K. which seems an almost impossible task given the disparity of views and attitudes, or recognise London as the genuine global city that it is by making It as a City State...

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There are two choices, either reunite London with the rest of the U.K. which seems an almost impossible task given the disparity of views and attitudes, or recognise London as the genuine global city that it is by making It as a City State like Singapore or Monanco.

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The long and short of it is that the economy of the United Kingdom (as is, or England and Wales, if that is the political entity that exists in five years' time) will suffer greatly if the City no longer has access to passporting and the...

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The long and short of it is that the economy of the United Kingdom (as is, or England and Wales, if that is the political entity that exists in five years' time) will suffer greatly if the City no longer has access to passporting and the single-market. Uncertain as things are at the moment, in all likelihood access to the single market will require accepting freedom of movement. Boris Johnson knows this, Michael Gove knows this, Theresa May knows this ... I could go on, but the Conservative party is not going to risk the City in this way. The London mayor and any negotiating team's role should be to ensure that they don't.

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As I understand it, the Referendum has no legal status. Parliament (Commons & Lords) must vote for the UK to LEAVE the EU. Not sure if there is a majority in the Commons for leaving.

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We can only hope that the MPs protect the UK and vote against article 50

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For this to happen, everyone should be emailing their MP to convince them to vote against it. It is not enough to just hope - action needed!!

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The thing is London voted for eu is lack of knowledge about the union is. Another misleading part of the results of London nor much English people left in London itself. London is no longer interesting for English people, rather the...

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The thing is London voted for eu is lack of knowledge about the union is. Another misleading part of the results of London nor much English people left in London itself. London is no longer interesting for English people, rather the residents-multicultural residents. Sad thing. Sorry London. I think cleaver emigration control can change to good but we will see that in the nearest future. The people asking about a second chance - one more Referendum or together with Scotland. Good news this never happen. Regarding Scotland they can go for another referendum but that's all. Not a London! Even I am not English I want all English people back and enjoy life here. We all together can return London previous face shining back. And do not develop that crazy fought about the separation. If you don't like make a best decision not just for yourself but for the other people too. Please, if you still stubborn I pray you to leave this beautiful city London! You have to find your place. Otherwise you destroy rather to be building again. Peace to all London and Britain.

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London is full of european people who work in many different industries, industries that demand flexibility, short contracts and loads of workers. The UK can't provide that amount of people so it's fundamental that europeans could still be...

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London is full of european people who work in many different industries, industries that demand flexibility, short contracts and loads of workers. The UK can't provide that amount of people so it's fundamental that europeans could still be able to come and work here easily, with a type of VISA that consider also flexible and short contracts. If you are going to become like the USA, where is difficult and expensive to get a working permit for someone you would like to hire, many Companies who are now flourishing in London will relocate somewhere else in the world. They are already doing it a bit, but if finding employers will became an hassle they will all move and that's going to be bad for english economy and for all the english people employed by these companies. The majority of europeans are not in London to still jobs from the english, they are here to make english companies running.

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It would be nice if London was able to be able to continue as an EU member. Not sure how it would be done though. Italy has Rome and Rome has the Vatican. Then again if London was in EU and beyond the M25 not in EU how would you control...

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It would be nice if London was able to be able to continue as an EU member. Not sure how it would be done though. Italy has Rome and Rome has the Vatican. Then again if London was in EU and beyond the M25 not in EU how would you control the border.
I am trying to find an EU country to move to (while I still can) and hope I can stay long enough to become an EU citizen again.
I am sure many others are doing the same.
I fell sorry for the new Mayor of London as he has just come into office and now has the problems of Brexit thrown at him. Maybe Boris planned it that way.
London once the worlds leading city will I think slowly decline. All rather sad.
I was born in London.

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What a shambles! Both sides gave ridiculous untruths and claims about what the result in either way would mean. If the Referendum had happened before the Syrian refugees crisis then I believe the vote would have gone the Remain way but once...

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What a shambles! Both sides gave ridiculous untruths and claims about what the result in either way would mean. If the Referendum had happened before the Syrian refugees crisis then I believe the vote would have gone the Remain way but once that had happened Cameron should have waited a couple of years for it to settle down.
However, as a Remain voter the ONLY positive I can draw from the result is the removal of Jeremy Corbyn, a true socialist that now he's had his snout in the trough of the establishment won't go quietly but eventually will.

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Khan is the Mayor of London....nothing more, nothing less. What experience does he have of negotiating this kind of an arrangement? Leave it to the Government proper....and do not favour anyone over anyone else throughout the country....

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Khan is the Mayor of London....nothing more, nothing less. What experience does he have of negotiating this kind of an arrangement? Leave it to the Government proper....and do not favour anyone over anyone else throughout the country. London is a powerhouse, we know and the Government knows. Khan is unnecessary.

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What motivation would EU leaders have to grant the UK access to their single market? Anyone who thinks they're going to say "sure, come join our single market, and we'll waive all the other rules about freedom of movement, just for you" is...

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What motivation would EU leaders have to grant the UK access to their single market? Anyone who thinks they're going to say "sure, come join our single market, and we'll waive all the other rules about freedom of movement, just for you" is dreaming.

London, like the rest of the country, is going to have to face up to higher import prices (including petrol), a much smaller economy, fewer jobs, less data-sharing about terrorists, and ... oh yes, the loss of Scotland. I wish Sadiq Khan luck in coping with these issues.

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Lest anyone think my comment was off-topic, let me say it more directly: Our planning team (whoever it is) must come up with a plan to make the best of a situation where Scotland has left the UK, and EU countries have put up tariffs against...

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Lest anyone think my comment was off-topic, let me say it more directly: Our planning team (whoever it is) must come up with a plan to make the best of a situation where Scotland has left the UK, and EU countries have put up tariffs against our goods and services. Anything else is wishful thinking.

If we really want access to the single market, we will have to agree to free movement of people as well as goods and services. The EU has no incentive to back down on this.

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As a leave voter, and coming from a London constituency that voted out, I find it rude that there is no one mentions this fact. That "all London". DIDNT vote to remain. We in line with the overall vote, voted to Leave. The mayor needs to...

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As a leave voter, and coming from a London constituency that voted out, I find it rude that there is no one mentions this fact. That "all London". DIDNT vote to remain. We in line with the overall vote, voted to Leave. The mayor needs to recognise this, as he is our mayor and needs to support our decision as well.
The working class of London, are being lumped together with with the rest of London in turning our back on our northern workers who also voted out. And as a Labour Mayor, I don't understand why he is not supporting the workers and their concern. We understand the financial considerations are big, but not as big as the concerns for illegal immigrantion and having our Elected Parliamentary representative make our laws and Mandates that have been eroded by European lawmakers
So before steps are taken to somehow overturn the vote or to side step it. Please remember the Leave vote was the greater.
We are a Democracy, and the vote was taken legally, so the result morally cannot be changed at this time

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I disagree - for democracy to function effectively, it is necessary to have a well-informed electorate. It should be absolutely clear to anyone rationally assessing the process and outcome of the referendum that the electorate was ill...

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I disagree - for democracy to function effectively, it is necessary to have a well-informed electorate. It should be absolutely clear to anyone rationally assessing the process and outcome of the referendum that the electorate was ill informed about the expected implications of the vote, to the extent that, not only did the leave campaign not clearly express their plan for what would happen following a vote to leave, but they didn't even have a plan for what would happen next.

Contrast the 16 page pamphlet with large text from Vote Leave published a few months before the referendum to the 670 page detailed document from the SNP concerning Scotland's Future post a leave vote in the Scottish Referendum that was published 10 months prior to the vote there which laid out in detail their plan for how the nation would succeed alone.

It is ridiculous to suggest that the EU vote compared to the Scottish vote provide an equal level of democratic intent. It is only through fetishization of the concept of democracy that anyone would consider this to be a valid outcome.

For what it's worth, when the referendum was announced, I was initially undecided and leaned towards leave... It was only when I did the necessary levels of analysis, which took at least 200 hours of investigation - because both campaigns, though particularly the leave campaign with their utterly inane "I think the British people have had enough of experts" policy, failed to deliver accurate information - that I chose to vote to remain...

... And while I absolutely support the rights of anyone to exercise their democratic rights in any way, I don't believe that anyone could reasonably claim that this outcome was a democratic one without first ensuring that the electorate had easy access to the necessary information to make an informed decision about what the impact of any given decision would be.

On that basis, it is "moral" to ensure that the decision be put to the electorate again once there is clarity about what the plan is, and what the negotiated position of Brexit becomes. Clearly, a large percentage of the population, for better or worse, voted to place limitations of immigration. Currently, the only way to do that would be to leave the single market, which the vast majority of people do not wish to do.

The UK will either need to accept free movement to access the single market (without the benefits of being able to have a seat at the table) or will need to leave the single market and face WTO tariffs damaging exports. Polls have strongly suggested that neither of these outcomes would win the referendum. Since the leave campaign offered the possibility of single market with no free movement - which is not a real option - it is entirely rational to put the final outcome to the people again.

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First of all Britain said No. Actually people made a decision and it's very important step, step forward, step to be independent-be free. Yes, some people do not wanted to leave. It's their choice, but now it's to late. Regarding London...

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First of all Britain said No. Actually people made a decision and it's very important step, step forward, step to be independent-be free. Yes, some people do not wanted to leave. It's their choice, but now it's to late. Regarding London. What we can expect from Londoners Most of them are not wanted to leave EU,however voting do not depend from capital but from all voters of Britain. How does it affect London and overall Britain? It's difficult to tell in the beginning but I think British people were seen in the past as a strong people and they will be able to make appropriate decisions and follow wisely to find required connections between the countries that will be acceptable for achieving best possible results to everyone. Security. Emigration is a question number one the British people wanted a referendum. We all know the London is over crowded and that cannot stay in this way. I think government will take an action plan how to control their borders and eventually take all possible steps to stop unpleasant people and everyone who say expecting only for benefits enter into the country. In this way more jobs will be opened for people who reside in London and around... Health. Government promise to help rebuild and support our NHS Services as some leaders promised 350mln a week instead to pay EU membership. That's good to see, if would be as it's sounds. We will see...

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The people who suggested the £350 million a week into the NHS were using very dirty tactics indeed. Firstly, they did not promise it, just asked the question, why not do this? So people did not read it carefully. After the referendum those...

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The people who suggested the £350 million a week into the NHS were using very dirty tactics indeed. Firstly, they did not promise it, just asked the question, why not do this? So people did not read it carefully. After the referendum those campaigners (laughing at the gullible voters) pointed out that actually they had never said they would put £350m into the NHS.
What everyone forgot and campaigners were careful not to mention, is that the UK is supposedly still suffering from massive debt problems. This is supposed to be the reason the NHS has been restructured ready for full privatisation, and the reason why the savage cuts have continued. So with the economic trauma of the Brexit vote making it all worse, plus the far-right takeover in government, we can forget any hope of the NHS being given much money at all. It is all very well to talk about immigrants taking people's jobs, but we still import nurses because we are short of nurses in the UK. Not enough people want to be nurses? If the Tory government wanted to stop job agencies from recruiting cheap labour in EU and non-EU countries for low-paid, below minimum-wage and zero hours jobs in the UK, it could have done. Tory governments like to keep wages down. Now we will have an even more minimal-state, right-wing Tory government. So don't expect anything more than a few token efforts to keep people quiet, then business as usual or worse than usual. London seems overcrowded because there is too little housing. Labour and Tory governments should have built quantities of social housing over the decades and did not. Labour was irresponsible, Tories want to get rid of all social housing. There are loads of jobs in London. It is elsewhere that there are job and career problems. Not least because Tory governments don't want state intervention for supporting anything if they can possibly avoid it.

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London has been my home for over 25 years and is rich in everything. I am extremely saddened by the latest turn of events and the rise of racism that this referendum seems to have unleashed. However for all immigration has fuelled and...

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London has been my home for over 25 years and is rich in everything. I am extremely saddened by the latest turn of events and the rise of racism that this referendum seems to have unleashed. However for all immigration has fuelled and enriched the country it does need to be curbed to only allow professionals and skilled individuals in not welfare and 3rd world people who only come to enjoy our benefits and free health care, they should strive to better their own countries rather than dilute our country. Let us hope that our new mayor can guide London and foster links with all important business groups and for goodness sake we get a new unifying prime minster as I for one feel very let down by Cameron and Corbyn plus those self seeking Brexit individuals Boris and Gove in the leave party who have no plan or backrbone.

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Let's sign up for a second chance!!!

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Keep London's position as the world's biggest financial centre. Financial services, associated business services and fintech sectors must be protected. The key issues for the capital through the negotiation process and beyond include access...

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Keep London's position as the world's biggest financial centre. Financial services, associated business services and fintech sectors must be protected. The key issues for the capital through the negotiation process and beyond include access to the single market and the ability to 'passport' or some sort of alternative mechanism (eg. can the same rights accorded under the current passporting scheme be accorded under articles 46 + 47 of the new incoming 'Markets in Financial Instruments Regulation - Mifir'?). Please protect the UK's (not just London's) financial/business/tech services sectors.
Also, the results of the EU ref show disparity between London and the rest of England and Wales. This needs addressing, we must be united.

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One problem is that once you get right out of London, the parochialism is astounding. It is not just immigrants from overseas who are not welcome - southerners are not welcome. This is how it has always been. In the middle of the last...

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One problem is that once you get right out of London, the parochialism is astounding. It is not just immigrants from overseas who are not welcome - southerners are not welcome. This is how it has always been. In the middle of the last century people from a few villages away were beginning to be seen as 'local', but it would be a lot of generations of residence before they or anyone from further afield was seen as not being a foreigner. Now, even in university towns in the north, anyone who does not speak with a local accent and does not look and behave like the locals can be very badly treated indeed.

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It is difficult to be a united UK when this kind of attitude prevails to such an extent.

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We were number one city of the world & I considered myself as a cosmopolitan. If we are going to stay that way, Mayor and all Londoners should pledge to stay that way- with mind of openness, liberalism and caring for all humanity. I am...

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We were number one city of the world & I considered myself as a cosmopolitan. If we are going to stay that way, Mayor and all Londoners should pledge to stay that way- with mind of openness, liberalism and caring for all humanity. I am appalled at the narrow mindedness and racism creeping into our society pandering to colonial times.

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I voted Remain, but am getting a bit concerned about the Exceptionalism that is going on here. London is a global city and has unique qualities and concerns. However, they do not stop at the M25. Considerable population flows occur twice...

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I voted Remain, but am getting a bit concerned about the Exceptionalism that is going on here. London is a global city and has unique qualities and concerns. However, they do not stop at the M25. Considerable population flows occur twice-daily into the South East and have impacts of their own in those areas. Pollution and demand for goods, services, food and people extend beyond the city. It is difficult to ignore the implications of responsibility London has in England.

Some people term Brexit as a revolt against London, London does need to address that perception and demonstrate material measures to mitigate the negatives of that.

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London was built by immigrants, surely?

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London is now a foreign city with unfettered immigration being responsible for pushing the indigenous white population to the margins. Free movement must NOT be allowed to continue. My culture was extinguished in Peckham by large scale...

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London is now a foreign city with unfettered immigration being responsible for pushing the indigenous white population to the margins. Free movement must NOT be allowed to continue. My culture was extinguished in Peckham by large scale immigration during the late 50's. My family lived in London for over 250 yrs. None of the 200 family members who lived in Southwark live there now. On a recent visit to Peckham, where I was brought up for 21 yrs, I was told by a black youth, " You don't belong here man". A phrase he repeated before he felt the full fury of my reaction to his outrageous racist comments. London is now a truly uninviting place to be, a divided city based along racial segregation.

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Jim Johnson, your comments have nothing to do with the EU, nor with the topic at hand.

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The local council in Peckham had a destructive housing policy in the 1980s and 1990s. I remember housing estates that were kind of striped - one block white, the next block black and coloured, and so-on across the estate. But I wonder how...

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The local council in Peckham had a destructive housing policy in the 1980s and 1990s. I remember housing estates that were kind of striped - one block white, the next block black and coloured, and so-on across the estate. But I wonder how hard the host white population worked on being welcoming and integrating the incomers to local communities. I well remember the signs in room for rent windows in the 1960s that said 'no blacks, no children, no pets'. It completely freaked me out, a horrible thing to see.

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London is a part of the UK and should not seek independence! We should all support the democratic decision made and stand as one to get the best deal for the UK.
It's right that the Mayor should be represented at the negotiating table as...

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London is a part of the UK and should not seek independence! We should all support the democratic decision made and stand as one to get the best deal for the UK.
It's right that the Mayor should be represented at the negotiating table as London has great influence over the prosperity of the Nation.
Their has been too much bluster over the decision and the media have been instrumental in painting a grim situation. However, the Share Market is showing signs of recovery and the currency situation is stabilising.
Don't forget that many in the City are making killings on both the Stock Market and currency fluctuations!
Finally, we should all take a deep breath and relax as I am sure we are not going to be in such a bad situation as many are forecasting .

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Sorry, I have to disagree there. The fluctuations in the dollar are seriously affecting my business. The prices I am forced to offer my clients have increased by 10%. Within 6 months we will see inflated food, petrol and goods prices once...

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Sorry, I have to disagree there. The fluctuations in the dollar are seriously affecting my business. The prices I am forced to offer my clients have increased by 10%. Within 6 months we will see inflated food, petrol and goods prices once the effects of the drop in sterling filters down to retail. I have also experienced orders being cancelled and general marketplace nervousness.
If we don't retain money passporting for the city, the treasury coffers will be down 7-10billion.
The question of Scottish independence was always going to come up again, and the referendum has highlighted the differenced between London and the rest of the UK and our differing needs. The sooner both sides acknowledge the effects of the referendum - good and bad - and tackle them head on with honesty, the sooner we can move forward as a nation.

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One of our major exports is cars - the car manufacturers in the UK (most are foreign-owned) have stated that they will seriously consider leaving the UK if Brexit Absolut is the outcome of the bluster. And they are not the only companies...

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One of our major exports is cars - the car manufacturers in the UK (most are foreign-owned) have stated that they will seriously consider leaving the UK if Brexit Absolut is the outcome of the bluster. And they are not the only companies that will go.

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