Drones

What do you think of drones being used in London? Would you support them being used more, why or why not?

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Drones are aircraft without a human pilot on board. They have been used by public services in London for several years now. The Metropolitan Police Service is using them to support a range of operational activity, they were used to inspect tunnels and construction sites during Crossrail construction and the London Fire Brigade is currently trialling them when responding to incidents. They are also increasingly being used by private operators, for example to take film and TV footage or surveying.

Drones may become a more familiar sight in London in the next decade, and could be used for deliveries of post or emergency medical supplies, or even as a mode of transport.

However, some people have identified possible issues with more drone use, such as noise, safety, a loss of privacy or other environmental impacts.

Who would you want to call in the event of a complaint, such as drone noise or privacy concerns? And what are your thoughts on the next generation of urban air mobility, for instance 'flying' parcel delivery or even passenger services using small electric helicopters? Would you ever consider riding one, why or why not?

Tell us in our discussion below.

Summary

Thanks to everyone who joined in our discussion on drones. We’ve seen nearly 250 comments and have shared them with our colleagues in the Transport Team at City Hall and at Transport for London (TfL).

These are the main themes in the discussion on drones so far:

  • You’re concerned about noise, privacy issues and crime.
  • Many of you think that drones should be licensed.
  • You seem in favour of the use of drones for emergency services.
  • Some of you fear that drones might replace humans, and cause a loss of jobs.

Our policy teams would love to hear more of your views and have a few more questions. We have updated the discussion and look forward to hearing more of what you think.

The discussion ran from 20 May 2019 - 12 September 2019

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Remembering what happened at Heathrow earlier this year when was it 200,000 people were inconvenienced by a drone flying over the airport- they should definitely be licensed. As soon as you purchase the drone you should have  register as...

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Remembering what happened at Heathrow earlier this year when was it 200,000 people were inconvenienced by a drone flying over the airport- they should definitely be licensed. As soon as you purchase the drone you should have  register as the owner on a data base and if you sell it the new owner should again re register. They present a danger in many different ways.

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No drones please except vital emergency services. Sooner or later there will be accidents  even more likely if casually flown  by individuals for fun. What benefit to society is assisting corporate deliveries by firms who perhaps are not...

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No drones please except vital emergency services. Sooner or later there will be accidents  even more likely if casually flown  by individuals for fun. What benefit to society is assisting corporate deliveries by firms who perhaps are not paying tax dues.

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I agree with Mike's points and would add the following:

(a) All drones should be registered with a unique number and used only under licence.

(b) Ownership of drones should be restricted to limited companies, government organisations, etc...

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I agree with Mike's points and would add the following:

(a) All drones should be registered with a unique number and used only under licence.

(b) Ownership of drones should be restricted to limited companies, government organisations, etc.

(c) The terms of licence should restrict the use of drones to specific applications (e.g. delivery of medications).  Initially, during a 3- to 5-year trial period, the number of applications should be strictly limited. Following a thorough review 

d) The licence authority should be informed electronically (a) in advance of each drone journey and (b) following the retunr of the drone to its base.

(e) Adequate insurance must be held by all drone owners.

(f) A nominated company director or senior officer should be personally responsible for all aspects of drone management and should be approved only after thorough background checks.

 

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Wholly agree with all your points. Well put.

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Wholly agree with all your points. Well put.

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In the main, I agree but with the following caveats.

I don't think that use should be restricted to companies, organisations, etc. I think that licensing and registration should suffice.

I don't think that their use should be restricted...

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In the main, I agree but with the following caveats.

I don't think that use should be restricted to companies, organisations, etc. I think that licensing and registration should suffice.

I don't think that their use should be restricted to specific purposes.

Where a company or organisation is the drone-holder, I agree with (f). If the holder is a private person, then, obviously, this person is responsible.

Basically, I'm looking for a similar system to that with cars; similar registration, insurance, offences, punishments, etc.

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No drones please for anything except the emergency services.

remember the Gatwick chaos? In the third paragraph of your letter the problems are stated.

 

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No drones please for anything except the emergency services.

remember the Gatwick chaos? In the third paragraph of your letter the problems are stated.

 

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I have seen a couple when driving and they are very distracting. I think their use should be heavily regulated in London - ok for police, fire, medics. Councils could use them for agreed purposes. Private firms could use them for purposes...

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I have seen a couple when driving and they are very distracting. I think their use should be heavily regulated in London - ok for police, fire, medics. Councils could use them for agreed purposes. Private firms could use them for purposes such as delivery and filming, only under strict conditions that are agreed following public consultation. 

I don’t want random people spying on me, or invading my family’s privacy and peace and quiet for their own gain or enjoyment. 

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I think drones are likely to be as dangerous in terms of weapons, surveillance or other concerns as people sitting high up in a crane or leaning out of high windows. The idea that you'd drop radioactive substances, as Mike suggests, is no...

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I think drones are likely to be as dangerous in terms of weapons, surveillance or other concerns as people sitting high up in a crane or leaning out of high windows. The idea that you'd drop radioactive substances, as Mike suggests, is no more or less likely than someone releasing radioactive materials from a bomb or dropping them in the river.  And you'd have to get hold of the radioactive substance first. As for the other scenarios, they are already happening without drones - anyone around for the Extinction rebellion? Police surveillance, mentioned by Ben, happens all the time via CCTV and helicopters. If you are worried about it, complain about them

There are clearly risks associated with drones, as there are with all human activities. People's reaction is immideiately to regulate them out of existence and then complain when we are left behind by countries with a more proactive approach to change.

They should be licenced and operators subjected to a straightforward test. They should only be allowed to fly in certain areas, away from heavily populated zones. Beyond that let them flourish, but monitor their use and adapt laws accordingly.

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Drones have been around for years and yet your fears are so far unfounded.

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Drones have been around for years and yet your fears are so far unfounded.

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We're already thriving, while many other economies in Europe are lagging behind.  Let them experiment with drones.  Let them reap the benefits.  We're already doing fine.  We can afford to take the safety-first approach.

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We're already thriving, while many other economies in Europe are lagging behind.  Let them experiment with drones.  Let them reap the benefits.  We're already doing fine.  We can afford to take the safety-first approach.

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We all have concerns - privacy, safety, etc. With all fledgling technologies, there will be an extended period where innovation needs to be encouraged and permitted. With the accompanying improvements, we will deal with the safety and...

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We all have concerns - privacy, safety, etc. With all fledgling technologies, there will be an extended period where innovation needs to be encouraged and permitted. With the accompanying improvements, we will deal with the safety and privacy aspects along the way. Let us not stifle them before they even get an airing. I would therefore urge caution with the introduction of any proposed new legislation, because once it is there it is very much harder to roll back than it was to introduce.

A good example of how we could mess this up would be the little electric personal transport scooters- they would probably be less hassle than bicycles if allowed a five or ten year adjustment period. In that time, of course there will be issues, but ultimately they could encourage and otherwise non-cycling sector to use the incredibly costly lanes, cut-throughs and sidepaths created for them. Instead our archaic road traffic act denies them and our pathetic legislators will not be quick in doing anything about it. 

For the people who just spluttered on their protein shakes, I would remind them that two-stroke scooters and mopeds limited to 30km/h have been allowed on continental cyclepaths since their introduction more almost a century ago . . . and 'pedal-assist' does not help anyone who is not already happy on a bicycle. 

Let tech start-ups innovate and show us what drones could do for London. I am happy to live with the slightly elevated risk of a crash or a snooper in the meantime.

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Regarding the scooters, take a look at where they are already in use - injuries and deaths are a big problem.

 

Intended strictly as a joke, should we demand that a man walks in front of them with a red flag?

 

Regulations demanding...

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Regarding the scooters, take a look at where they are already in use - injuries and deaths are a big problem.

 

Intended strictly as a joke, should we demand that a man walks in front of them with a red flag?

 

Regulations demanding effective gadgets to protect from drones colliding with each other and solid objects like tower blocks would go a long way towards minimising serious accidents.

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We already have bicycles for rent cluttering up our every pavement.  I don't want drones cluttering up our airspace.

It is impractical to have our city flooded with gadgets.  There have to be regulations and restrictions.  We are much more...

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We already have bicycles for rent cluttering up our every pavement.  I don't want drones cluttering up our airspace.

It is impractical to have our city flooded with gadgets.  There have to be regulations and restrictions.  We are much more densely populated than the rest of Europe.

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A well regulated and ordered drone flying industry could have major advantages for just-in-time goods, services and products. There could be significant environmental advantages to be gained.

Regulation taking into account health, safety...

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A well regulated and ordered drone flying industry could have major advantages for just-in-time goods, services and products. There could be significant environmental advantages to be gained.

Regulation taking into account health, safety, noise, privacy, eco and carbon footprints.

Properly monitored with checks and balances considered too. 

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The drones should be taxed and have clear identification visible at a distance.

 

Good point about carbon footprint.  A drone may not be considered economically viable for carbon footrint when you consider the weight restrictions.

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The drones should be taxed and have clear identification visible at a distance.

 

Good point about carbon footprint.  A drone may not be considered economically viable for carbon footrint when you consider the weight restrictions.

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Surely it would be impractical to have thousands of drones floating about overhead!  They would crash into one another and into buildings, vehicles and people.  They could be intercepted, vandalised and stolen.  They would get stuck in...

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Surely it would be impractical to have thousands of drones floating about overhead!  They would crash into one another and into buildings, vehicles and people.  They could be intercepted, vandalised and stolen.  They would get stuck in trees.  Etc.

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I agree with Mike, except I'm at least as much concerned about the use of drones for surveillance by the police and security services - or, indeed, for their use as attack weaponry by the same forces.

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I agree with Mike, except I'm at least as much concerned about the use of drones for surveillance by the police and security services - or, indeed, for their use as attack weaponry by the same forces.

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Yes because they have unlimited resources and politicians will clamour for mass surveillance to garner votes and invent crisis to whip up hysteria of mad & bad people around every cornwr

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Yes because they have unlimited resources and politicians will clamour for mass surveillance to garner votes and invent crisis to whip up hysteria of mad & bad people around every cornwr

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Considering the degree of damage that they can cause, apart from very small and light children's toys, those that are heavy enough to hurt or even kill should be controlled to the same level as manned aircraft, if not stricter levels.

 

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Considering the degree of damage that they can cause, apart from very small and light children's toys, those that are heavy enough to hurt or even kill should be controlled to the same level as manned aircraft, if not stricter levels.

 

The fact that the authorities don't seem to be aware of the risk yet, doesn't make it OK.

 

So what are the dangers?  A heavy drone could kill by accident if, for example, it's motor or motors were to fail unexpectedly.  The potential for damage would be greater if on full power it accidentally hit someone, e.g. by flying through a high rise flat open window.

 

Now let us consider terrorism.  Imagine 50 pre-programmed drones loaded with red paint sent to crash into a major public open air event.  I suggest 50 as an unexpected attack by 50 drones would be very hard to stop.

 

Even worse, drones could easily carry explosives or radioactive substances.

 

I'm not sure how the danger can be controlled, but we're in deep trouble if it isn't.

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Regulated or not, the threat of terrosim via drones is surely irrelevant. If an act of terrorism is intended to be committed via a drone attack, this is going to happen regardless of the law and regulation surrounding drone use. Whilst...

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Regulated or not, the threat of terrosim via drones is surely irrelevant. If an act of terrorism is intended to be committed via a drone attack, this is going to happen regardless of the law and regulation surrounding drone use. Whilst combatting terrorism is of course an all important issue in the city, and anywhere else, the relevance of drones here is rather a moot point I feel. 

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Totally agree. Such drones should be treated like firearms and generally banned. I want my deliveries to be by human beings not drones and help keep people employed/

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Totally agree. Such drones should be treated like firearms and generally banned. I want my deliveries to be by human beings not drones and help keep people employed/

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