Donate contactless with Tap London
Have you heard of Tap London? It's a new way to donate £3 to homeless initiatives by tapping a contactless payment card.
To help make it easier for Londoners to support homeless initiatives, City Hall has installed ‘Tap London’ devices across the city where you can donate £3 by tapping your contactless payment card or contactless payment device.
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The discussion ran from 28 November 2018 - 28 February 2019
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Community Member 5 years agoI agree that it's a good idea but wouldn't do it because of fraud and also who wants to get their card out in the street? In shops etc. would be safer and therefore work better.
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Official Representative 5 years agoHi Suex
Thanks for sharing your views. The majority of the Tap London contactless donation points are countertop units located inside, in places such as cafes, where people can donate inside with no obligation to purchase items from the vendor. You can look for your nearest unit on this map.
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Roxanne Silverwood
Community Member 5 years agoExcellent idea, I would definitely donate this way, as I usually don't carry cash on me these days. Sure, the root cause of homelessness will still remain, but we can't ignore the homeless needing help right now. We need a multi pronged...
Show full commentExcellent idea, I would definitely donate this way, as I usually don't carry cash on me these days. Sure, the root cause of homelessness will still remain, but we can't ignore the homeless needing help right now. We need a multi pronged approach. There is no excuse for homelessness in a nation as wealthy as ours.
I've seen one of these tap collectors built into the window storefront of a charity shop in Angel, and I donated to that with no qualms as I did not feel there would be a fraud risk. I would be more wary of charity muggers with machines about on the street though.
Gareth Armstrong
Community Member 5 years agoThe homeless situation is more distressing by the day. If this is one of the solutions i would support and donate.
davidesmith
Community Member 5 years agoCan you claim the tax back from these donations.... at least at the basic rate?
Anonymous - account deleted
Community Member 5 years agoNo. Tax relief at basic rate on charitable donations goes only to the charity, following a donor gift-aid declaration and the charity making a claim on HMRC. Otherwise the Charities Aid Foundation reclaims tax on money banked with it by...
Show full commentNo. Tax relief at basic rate on charitable donations goes only to the charity, following a donor gift-aid declaration and the charity making a claim on HMRC. Otherwise the Charities Aid Foundation reclaims tax on money banked with it by individuals for the purpose of them making donations from it, and the reclaimed tax is added to their individual charities pot. With gift-aid if you are a donor who pays higher-rate tax you can claim relief on your income tax of the difference between the basic rate which goes to the charity and your higher rate.
Gift aid regulation has been evolving however to allow charities to claim some measure of relief on accumulated small donations without the need to identify such individual donors as taxpayers - if HMRC wishes I am sure they could "tweak" the rules to allow charities to claim on money they receive from this new "Tap" scheme. That is something to which the Mayor might usefully apply himself.
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Official Representative 5 years agoHi there
All donations made to this campaign - via Tap London or Gofundme- are Gift Aid-able. With Tap London, Gift Aid is claimed by Tap’s charitable foundation using Swiftaid, with the full amount then donated to the London Homeless Charities Group (LHCG). More details at swiftaid.co.uk.
We hope this helps.
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Steinsnyc
Community Member 5 years agoLike the concept but I would need assurance that it was secure - not sure what would make me feel comfortable though
Lee_Enfield
Community Member 5 years agoA good idea - I had not heard of this before. Good to get more money in to help homeless, but I suspect it needs a sustained and rather expensive effort.
Any form of Brexit will decrease the amount of money available for this sort of thing...
Show full commentA good idea - I had not heard of this before. Good to get more money in to help homeless, but I suspect it needs a sustained and rather expensive effort.
Any form of Brexit will decrease the amount of money available for this sort of thing of course.
Anonymous - account deleted
Community Member 5 years agoCan't you see that being in the EU is fuelling demand for housing, pushing up house prices and leaving more people to sleep on the streets? Leaving the EU can only be a good thing.
CityBeekeeper
Community Member 5 years agoA very good idea. Put them up where people beg. I'd have various amounts though, as I suspect that most people's "feel better about how nice they are" donation is about a pound. This will let people do somthing that is more helpful than...
Show full commentA very good idea. Put them up where people beg. I'd have various amounts though, as I suspect that most people's "feel better about how nice they are" donation is about a pound. This will let people do somthing that is more helpful than buying a drink for the person inspiring the guilt, not that there's anything wrong with buying someone a drink, of course. It's impossible to know who really needs the money and who is a "professional" beggar, or just has mental health problems.
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Community Member 5 years agoA lot of them are professional beggars. It's hard to know what drives them to it, but, in many cases, they are buying drink and drugs or sending money back to Romania.
johnvgoodman
Community Member 5 years agoAn excellent idea, easy and secure.
Stacee
Community Member 5 years agoI think this is a great idea. However I would like it, if you could invest in the people, not the charities. For this to happen, further development of the idea would have to occur. I am not in to giving people on the streets cash as I...
Show full commentI think this is a great idea. However I would like it, if you could invest in the people, not the charities. For this to happen, further development of the idea would have to occur. I am not in to giving people on the streets cash as I have seen how some of the people have to give commission to people, so that they can retain their patch (amongst other things). It would be great if this technology could be used to build up a 'fund' for individuals so that they could use it at shelters, and for additional support services/food within them. It would mean that the charities do get the money, but it is via the people who really need their help. It would also have a psychological effect on the people on the street, making them realise that people care and encourage them off the streets to get the support. Would not work with everyone, but maybe a start.
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Community Member 5 years agoI agree with other commenters about the risk of fraud.
Also the importance of giving this money to charities that change their lives around and not just supporting their lives on the street. (Well put simonfiona)
also I have seen these...
Show full commentI agree with other commenters about the risk of fraud.
Also the importance of giving this money to charities that change their lives around and not just supporting their lives on the street. (Well put simonfiona)
also I have seen these devices before with charity collectors on the street (cancer research or someone) good tech but very easily replicated to be fraudulent.
Another idea would be to put something like this inside banks or shopping centres so there is cctv and you know it’s legit. Run this program with Tesco metro or someone and you’ll be on to a winner.
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Community Member 5 years agoI would like to see charity fundraisers banned from London's streets. They are incredibly rude and a total pain in the neck.
Anonymous - account deleted
Community Member 5 years agoIt's a great initiative as it makes donations so quick and convenient. Just make sure the public knows what is happening with the donations, keep it transparent!
Another great initiative would be to give Oyster cards to homeless persons so...
Show full commentIt's a great initiative as it makes donations so quick and convenient. Just make sure the public knows what is happening with the donations, keep it transparent!
Another great initiative would be to give Oyster cards to homeless persons so they can move around and get to organisations who could support them. How could we make that happen?
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Community Member 5 years agoWhat about people who work hard and struggle to pay the rent? Can they have a free Oyster card too? It would be a good reward for doing the right thing and keeping themselves off the street.
Gareth Armstrong
Community Member 5 years agoThe homeless problem seems to be getting more distressing by the day. Donating to individuals is always a dilemma so this scheme would seem to be one good solution. I approve of it and would certainly donate.
Glenys Law
Community Member 5 years agoThis seems like a good alternative to giving the homeless cash when they beg in the street. I agree with the previous commentator who said that it's important that the money is spent on projects that help people off the streets and not just...
Show full commentThis seems like a good alternative to giving the homeless cash when they beg in the street. I agree with the previous commentator who said that it's important that the money is spent on projects that help people off the streets and not just soup kitchens that help them survive.
I do fear that there could be unexpected repercussions, but it will be interesting to see how it works out. I expect the technology has cost quite a bit to invest in so it needs to be very successful to break even. it's a pity that the scheme does not permit gift aid to be added to these charitable donations, as it would be if people gave through normal websites. Perhaps a website could be set up to be advertised on these Tap London device.
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Community Member 5 years agoYes I would tap if I knew it was secure and not fraudulent.
Andrew Bosi
Community Member 5 years agoIt is a good idea as many people no longer carry cash. It shd ensure more goes for the intended purpose rather than on admin. ULEZ is a good idea too, the homeless are particularly vulnerable to poor air quality
PRL
Community Member 5 years agoGreat cause. Seems to offer respite more than cure. Don't like 'tapping' charity personally. Prefer it where charity can recover tax element too and I actually know how the money is spent. Prefer to set up to pay larger sums to chosen...
Show full commentGreat cause. Seems to offer respite more than cure. Don't like 'tapping' charity personally. Prefer it where charity can recover tax element too and I actually know how the money is spent. Prefer to set up to pay larger sums to chosen charities on an annual basis. But hey! If people want to tap, it's all money to a needy cause. It all spends well.
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Community Member 5 years agoI fully agree with your views on this. I generally make regular gift-aided donations to charities which I try to understand something about. I don't personally like "tapping" - I don't trust its security and have had it taken off my cards...
Show full commentI fully agree with your views on this. I generally make regular gift-aided donations to charities which I try to understand something about. I don't personally like "tapping" - I don't trust its security and have had it taken off my cards where posssible - but for those who are happy with it I would applaud the generosity of the people who wish to contribute in this way.
I am a bit saddened by other comments however which seem to see looking after the homeless as a responsibility they have hygienically hived off to the council rather than involve themselves in it personally. Making a cash donation is the least that anyone can do to ease this ever-present social problem. The amount of that donation may have to be minimal due to other 'ends' that have to be met, but the value of that act of generosity is pure gold, to the donor and community.
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Official Representative 5 years agoThanks for sharing your views.
All donations made to this campaign - via Tap London or Gofundme- are Gift Aid-able. With Tap London, Gift Aid is claimed by Tap’s charitable foundation using Swiftaid, with the full amount then donated to the London Homeless Charities Group (LHCG). More details at swiftaid.co.uk.
We hope this helps.
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Anonymous - account deleted
Community Member 5 years agoGreat idea - the easier the better but they would need help getting off the streets too - not an easy thing!
CityBeekeeper
Community Member 5 years agoIt will make begging much less attractive to beggars, as they won't get the money (directly, anyway).
Anonymous - account deleted
Community Member 5 years agoIt's a great way to donate but maybe if u were doing ur job it wouldn't be necessary
NickPretzel
Community Member 5 years agoI think this is a great idea. Their presence should encourage donations which can only be a good thing. The government keeps telling us we're the fifth richest nation, so why do we still have people sleeping rough? I think it's a scandalous...
Show full commentI think this is a great idea. Their presence should encourage donations which can only be a good thing. The government keeps telling us we're the fifth richest nation, so why do we still have people sleeping rough? I think it's a scandalous disgrace in a country as rich as ours. I would use such a device as long as I was sure that it was genuine. It would be a very handy way of supporting the homeless. My one concern is fraud. Just as fraudsters mimic ATMs, I'm sure they'll try and build fake machines. I would like to know what its security features are.
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Official Representative 5 years agoHi Nick
Thanks for sharing your views. We shared your concerns with the team and they told us that the Tap London units are locked to the Tap bank account, meaning that donations can't be diverted. Unlike with cash, there's no chance of petty theft or fraud. Like a contactless payment each transaction is encrypted by third-parties on the spot, so Tap London are unable to see any of your card details or data.
We hope this helps.
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willmow
Community Member 5 years agoTalk London missed the point of the question. I can foresee enterprising scallywags installing fake devices.
Henry46
Community Member 5 years agoLet Mr Khan dig into his deep pocket and make a large donation to the homeless, he comes up with these idea’s how does he expect the public to help when there weekly funds are low, all he ever does is come up with idea’s to make people...
Show full commentLet Mr Khan dig into his deep pocket and make a large donation to the homeless, he comes up with these idea’s how does he expect the public to help when there weekly funds are low, all he ever does is come up with idea’s to make people poorer.
i feel for the homeless but when more than the average person is on the breadline there selves what does he expect us to do.we are poorer and poorer with all these charges he keeps putting to us the next one is the ULEZ UNLESS YOU STOP TAXI’s working in London it won’t make any difference to pullution taxi drivers can earn a good wage if willing to work and yet they are exempt from paying this charge. A normal working driver is being punished yet again.
mr Khan help the homeless and help the poorer driver that is just trying to earn a living to survive.
How many times will you touch in to hel the homeless?????????
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