Mental health in the capital

User Image for
Added by Talk London

Up vote 0
Care 0

Poor mental health is one of the biggest challenges facing London. It often occurs more in certain communities, such as those living in poverty and amongst minority groups. However, mental health care does not always meet everyone’s needs.

Through 'Thrive LDN' organisations in London’s public, private, voluntary and community sectors have come together to rethink how we view and talk about mental health - and how to support people to be mentally healthy. With the support of Londoners, Thrive LDN aims to ensure that everyone, regardless of background and circumstances, has the knowledge, skills and support to develop good mental health. Projects include problem-solving booths, training in mental health first aid for London’s workforce and work with London schools.

In what ways do you think life in London is good or bad for your mental health? How could your school, workplace, or place of worship better support you to lead a mentally healthy and happy life?

Closed


Want to join our next discussion?

New here? Join Talk London, City Hall's online community where you can have your say on London's biggest issues.

Join Talk London

Already have an account?

Log into your account
Comments (68)

Avatar for -
Up vote 0
Care 0
Report

There's a huge issue that MH services provision is designed to suit the needs of the providers, and nothing to do with the needs of people who are ill. And that's even if you've managed to get through the magic roundabout of no treatment...

Show full comment

There's a huge issue that MH services provision is designed to suit the needs of the providers, and nothing to do with the needs of people who are ill. And that's even if you've managed to get through the magic roundabout of no treatment where one referral after another is made because one service treats x but not y, and the service that treats y will not treat x. And at the end of the day, it's determined only by diagnosis, rather than looking at the needs of the individual.
Councils fail to purchase appropriate services because they assume the providers are doing the right thing, but eg, if you end up with prescription drug addiction because doctors haven't done their job properly, you can't access addiction services because councils only buy street drug and alcohol addiction support.

Show less of comment

Avatar for -
Up vote 0
Care 0
Report

Planning policy that has an integrated society and open spaces at its heart (check happycity.com)

A travel infrastructure that is less cluttered - allowing people to cycle and walk in safety

Adequately funded support/guidance on all...

Show full comment

Planning policy that has an integrated society and open spaces at its heart (check happycity.com)

A travel infrastructure that is less cluttered - allowing people to cycle and walk in safety

Adequately funded support/guidance on all aspects of parenthood for new parents coupled with support in all levels of schools on emotional awareness and well being - esp for young boys

Adequate resource for 1 on 1 mental health treatment for those with current issues, waiting times and group sessions are not the answer for many

You asked would people know where to get help - outside the NHS I would as I'm pretty engaged in this area, obvs re NHS you start with your GP as I don't know of anything else. Someone mentioned a MH drop in centre similar to Sexual health further down, interesting idea.

Great that this conversation is happening, look forward to some real, tangible action coming from it and soon.

Show less of comment

Avatar for -
Up vote 0
Care 0
Report

I’ve been a tax payer for over 20 years, recently due to some confusion with TFL congestion auto pay and other stressful occurrences in my life I’ve had a mental breakdown of sorts. I’ve lost everything I own to bailiffs I suffer anxiety...

Show full comment

I’ve been a tax payer for over 20 years, recently due to some confusion with TFL congestion auto pay and other stressful occurrences in my life I’ve had a mental breakdown of sorts. I’ve lost everything I own to bailiffs I suffer anxiety attacks , ulcers, and feel like I’m being crushed by the very society I’ve supported for my whole adult life as a tax payer. So now I’m suffering overwhelming depression, I’m homeless and unable to work in my present condition. I cannot even hold a conversation with a stranger without it triggering my symptoms. Imagine my disgust when a family friend tried to help me and was refused by the GP to see me as I was homeless. I have no family left in this country, they all had the good sense to leave while they could. I am disgusted at how little help there is for a British born English male who has more than paid his dues and when I need some help I’m ostracised and stigmatised and refused help. Upon research I’ve found the only real source for potential assistance is through charities ?? I’ve paid taxes for 20 years !! And my own country of origin and birth couldn’t care less about me. Once you’re not a cash cow feeding the system it spits you out broken and destitute and basically washes its hands of you.
2 congestion fines that would’ve cost £21 combined resulted in lying corrupt bailiffs chasing me for over £1000 ! Along with all the other costs of working in London I lost the roof over my head , vehicle, sanity and any willpower I was clinging to.
The only alleged help involves me undergoing lengthy and over complicated,demeaning interviews and mental assessments which when in my position is mentally and physically impossible. I am trapped in an impossible situation with little to no prospect of assistance ... what exactly did 20 years of tax paying do for me ? Not a single thing !!
I feel a stranger in my own country

Show less of comment

Avatar for -
Up vote 0
Care 0
Report

Hi Tradesman,

We’re sorry to hear this. The housing team here at City Hall suggest that, as London borough councils are responsible for assisting those who are facing homelessness, you should get in touch your borough council - if you haven’t already. This is a quick way to link through to your local council website (just enter your postcode): https://www.gov.uk/find-local-council

We’d also suggest speaking to an independent advice organisation who will be able to help you seek a solution and advise on help with living and housing costs, as well as helping you in terms of securing access to a GP. Here are the ways that you can talk to someone at the Citizens Advice Bureau: https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/about-us/how-we-provide-advice/advice/

We really hope this is helpful information.

Best wishes,

Talk London team

Avatar for -
Up vote 0
Care 0
Report

Hello again Tradesman,

Some more information we've gathered that may be useful to you. A new 'Healthcare Card' has been developed by the Healthy London Partnership - these are for adults who are homeless, to allow access to primary care services. Full details are here: https://www.healthylondon.org/our-work/homeless-health/healthcare-cards/

Our Health team also suggested that you can always contact the Samaritans any time if you would find it helpful to talk through the issues you are facing. Their free line is open 24 hours a day, seven days a week, and can be reached on: 116 123

We hope this helps.

Best wishes,

Talk London Team

Load more
Avatar for - Adelie penguin
Up vote 0
Care 0
Report

I admit that psychologists do what they could do to help people with mental disease issues, but sometimes they is nothing else they can do, but we stay surprised before the health assessment centres that push these people still to look for...

Show full comment

I admit that psychologists do what they could do to help people with mental disease issues, but sometimes they is nothing else they can do, but we stay surprised before the health assessment centres that push these people still to look for jobs by referring them to jobs seekers centres, exposing them this way to more anxiety and stress for the sake of statistics and whitening the face of the government, and I find this not fair at all to deal with these patients suffering from mental issues in this manner, and what I suggest is to leave them in peace, because they have enough hardships to endure, and they do not deserve really to have more problems and difficulties in their lives, enough is enough!

Show less of comment

Avatar for -
Up vote 0
Care 0
Report

Agreed, but that’s if you’re lucky enough to see a psychologist or psychiatrist, as someone who has had a mental breakdown I can’t even register with a GP let alone get specialist care. Basically once you aren’t propping up this cold...

Show full comment

Agreed, but that’s if you’re lucky enough to see a psychologist or psychiatrist, as someone who has had a mental breakdown I can’t even register with a GP let alone get specialist care. Basically once you aren’t propping up this cold uncaring society with your hard earned money (taxes) or if you undergo any hardship financially you are thrown to the wolves, I refer to CCJs and bailiffs profiteering from peoples misery and hardship and making difficult and impossible situations exponentially worse in every way, stress wise , financially and on top of it they take your self respect and dignity.
I am no longer proud to call myself English or British after my eyes have been opened during this time of crisis in my life.
Successive governments have squandered my tax contributions and when I need assistance.... nothing ! They gave our money to bail out failed bankers who subsequently paid themselves massive bonuses.. the list is endless and yet this society just keeps throwing money into the black hole while the people who keep this country running (us the tax paying working classes) are consistently lied to and deliberately misrepresented by the very people who are elected to speak for us, they speak , oh they speak a lot (a lot of rubbish mostly) but actually say or do anything of substance ? Not in my experience

Show less of comment

Avatar for -
Up vote 0
Care 0
Report

Today, "Thriving at Work" was published. This independent review was commissioned by the government and sets out what employers can do to better support all employees, including those with mental health problems to remain in and thrive through work.

The recommendations to employers include:

- Produce, implement and communicate a mental health at work plan;
- Develop mental health awareness among employees;
- Encourage open conversations about mental health and the support available when employees are struggling;
- Provide employees with good working conditions and ensure they have a healthy work life balance and opportunities for development;
- Promote effective people management through line managers and supervisors;
- Routinely monitor employee mental health and wellbeing.

You can read more about the review here: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/thriving-at-work-a-review-of-...

Talk London

Avatar for -
Up vote 0
Care 0
Report

What about the people who have been worked into the ground and had to leave work through mental breakdowns, stress related illnesses, too much financial strain (to name a few) and are now unemployed, homeless and with no prospect of any...

Show full comment

What about the people who have been worked into the ground and had to leave work through mental breakdowns, stress related illnesses, too much financial strain (to name a few) and are now unemployed, homeless and with no prospect of any real help ?
Typing a mandate is not the same as actually effecting a change is it ?
Countless government and local authorities have made mandates but I’ve yet to witness any real change , most are entirely a waste of time. Spend more time doing rather than saying you’ll do ....

Show less of comment

Avatar for -
Up vote 0
Care 0
Report

Hi,

That link doesn't work, gets cut off somehow.

Not sure if this will work instead:
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/thriving-at-work-a-review-of…

Load more
Avatar for -
Up vote 0
Care 0
Report

A friend of mine has some disorder. It's really hard to put up with her but she needs help so I'm trying to overcome myself and stay with her anyway.

Avatar for -
Up vote 0
Care 0
Report

Hi Gatchavother

Thank you for sharing your experience.

Have you had a look at the Thrive LDN website? They have a lot of resources and actives that might be helpful for your friend: http://thriveldn.co.uk/

The help section is very useful, too: http://thriveldn.co.uk/get-help/

Talk London

Avatar for -
Up vote 0
Care 0
Report

Education from Primary school level has to be the key.

Show full comment

Education from Primary school level has to be the key.

Show less of comment

Avatar for -
Up vote 0
Care 0
Report

London seems a great place for people that suffer from mental health problems, there are lots of councillors and other mental health services.

What the Mayor could do is stop employing staff and not paying them any wages, ie both TFL and...

Show full comment

London seems a great place for people that suffer from mental health problems, there are lots of councillors and other mental health services.

What the Mayor could do is stop employing staff and not paying them any wages, ie both TFL and London Fire Brigade, have unpaid staff counselling their employees. This unpaid work is part of the 400 clinical hours that mental health workers need to build up to qualify for both UKCP and BACP. It is a scandal that these staff are not paid at least the London living wage. This in turn leads to many councillors not completing their course, or not going into counselling after they get qualified.

My wife has done short term person centred counselling for the NHS for no pay, this in turn put a financial burden on our family.

Show less of comment

Avatar for -
Up vote 0
Care 0
Report

I had a family member suffer mental health issues whilst we were both living in London. Trying to get appropriate help and support for the condition from NHS professionals who were appropriately trained, was impossible.

We had a very...

Show full comment

I had a family member suffer mental health issues whilst we were both living in London. Trying to get appropriate help and support for the condition from NHS professionals who were appropriately trained, was impossible.

We had a very unpleasant experience in one mental health centre where people suffering from very differing conditions are all lumped together in one area. Cue erratic behaviour from some other patients and us feeling unsafe waiting there. Many times we turned up to be told our appointment wasn't listed or we had to wait for ages, causing my family member to leave on occasion due to the stress of waiting in that environment.

There is no appropriate emergency crisis response for those suffering mental health conditions. You're forced to attend A and E where overstretched and often under trained staff don't know how to treat such conditions or see it as a nuisance. GPs have been unsympathetic in the past too. It's a complete lottery as to whether you get an appointment with someone appropriately trained.

I think in recent years there has been a push on awareness for mental health conditions which is great but there is still a woeful lack of resources to help people. Everyday in London you see people who clearly need help on public transport and wandering the streets. Schools need to continue to teach mindfulness and ways to improve mental health e.g. Exercise, social media breaks etc.

Show less of comment

Avatar for -
Up vote 0
Care 0
Report

How about promoting culture change away from valuing competition and choice over and above simply "being", and appreciating what we have? (Why does that sound so hippyish?)
All this hype about London being "dynamic", "global", "Greatest...

Show full comment

How about promoting culture change away from valuing competition and choice over and above simply "being", and appreciating what we have? (Why does that sound so hippyish?)
All this hype about London being "dynamic", "global", "Greatest City in the World!" For who? We can't (don't want to) stand still, but we could re-focus on change that benefits London residents' quality of life rather than simply the London economy (no, they are not the same).
It's a big question: How do you balance the constant change inherent in a dynamic economy with the fact that human happiness depends on stability, community connectedness and peaceful enjoyment? I don't know the answer, but I feel the current balance is not right.

Show less of comment

Avatar for -
Up vote 0
Care 0
Report

When it comes to mental (and physical) health, prevention is better than cure. I work for a mental health charity based in a primary school, but we need focus our attention even further back than this.
There is a HUGE amount of...

Show full comment

When it comes to mental (and physical) health, prevention is better than cure. I work for a mental health charity based in a primary school, but we need focus our attention even further back than this.
There is a HUGE amount of scientific evidence for the importance of the first 1000 days of life, starting from conception. A good experience during this vital period allows an infant to develop emotional and physical resilience that will help him/her cope with any number of difficulties in later life. It is basically a sound investment to devote attention and resources to this period: failure to do so sets up a vicious circle, because people whose own early infancy was deficient will struggle to parent their own children adequately. The following book should be essential reading for policy makers:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Why-Love-Matters-affection-shapes/dp/0415870534
Caring, whether for babies/children or the elderly/infirm, is accorded very low status in our society, although it is the most important thing we do. That needs to change. Scandi-style maternity/paternity leave anyone? Paying other people to care for our nearest and dearest may keep the economy healthy, but at a huge cost to human health and wellbeing. I'm not advocating women retreat to the home, but we need to sort out work/life balance for both genders and, with technology reshaping the world of work, maybe now's the time.

Show less of comment

Avatar for -
Up vote 0
Care 0
Report

I agree with you Ann, I was in a group session and the people in my group were in their 30s, 40s, 50s and 60s. All their problems seem to stem from childhood / their parents. Some of them had really good careers, made good money and have a...

Show full comment

I agree with you Ann, I was in a group session and the people in my group were in their 30s, 40s, 50s and 60s. All their problems seem to stem from childhood / their parents. Some of them had really good careers, made good money and have a loving family but yet they felt inadequate. It seems growing up being told that they are not good enough has a long lasting effect no matter how successful they are later in life so I agree that it should be tackled at the root of the problem.

Show less of comment

Avatar for -
Up vote 0
Care 0
Report

This country still uses ECT treatment which is banned in most civilised countries ,Patient do not have the right to refuse

Show full comment

This country still uses ECT treatment which is banned in most civilised countries ,Patient do not have the right to refuse

Show less of comment

Avatar for -
Up vote 0
Care 0
Report

Stress is the biggest cause of increased mental health issues and needs tackling at source. Hold employers and State bodies accountable for dealing with it. Start treating people as people not an inconvenience to be shoved out of the door...

Show full comment

Stress is the biggest cause of increased mental health issues and needs tackling at source. Hold employers and State bodies accountable for dealing with it. Start treating people as people not an inconvenience to be shoved out of the door with whatever irrelevant information they can get away with.
Every part of the State machine is slowly hiding away in remote locations and behind locked doors with excessive queues on telephone systems, leading to more stress, that leads to a mental health issues which gets passed to the overstretched NHS.
We should start with every council office having a State access point, tax, jobcentre, benefits, DWP all housed in one place, so buck passing has to be removed or we will be back, quickly. Secondly we get rid of the wasteful private sector involvement which uses poorly paid frontline staff and as a result they are not capable of fulfiling the promises made in the contracts, lip service is paid the people that they deal with as an inconvenience. Having had someone less experienced than me trying to teach me how to suck eggs is an insult, having no teeth I am very experienced in that, that added stress as I detest with a vengence about wasting time on useless and totally pointless activities which someone else is being paid a fortune to provide. My blood pressure reaches dangerous levels whenever I speak with Atos, who fail to listen and blindly steamroller over me, I keep my BP monitor connected and have to terminate the call when it reaches 200/120.

Show less of comment

Avatar for -
Up vote 0
Care 0
Report

You need an integrated and inclusive strategy to deal with mental health issues. Education, NHS, Local and General Govt, Support Groups. Recruiting Carers should be an attractive and worthwhile occupation, with a decent wage and the...

Show full comment

You need an integrated and inclusive strategy to deal with mental health issues. Education, NHS, Local and General Govt, Support Groups. Recruiting Carers should be an attractive and worthwhile occupation, with a decent wage and the necessary support.

Show less of comment

Avatar for -
Up vote 0
Care 0
Report

Life in London is fast. It's hectic. I think this creates a feeling that we should always be doing someone. Is there something we are missing out on. Amongst my friends, we don't get much rest. Now a few of us have moved out of London, the...

Show full comment

Life in London is fast. It's hectic. I think this creates a feeling that we should always be doing someone. Is there something we are missing out on. Amongst my friends, we don't get much rest. Now a few of us have moved out of London, the pace is slower. Although i work in London, I am able to slow down and rest my mind, gather my thoughts and recharge. I am sure in London, our minds are burnt out quicker without this rest.

Identity is important in London. In some places, you are accepted and you feel at peace. In other places, you clearly feel like you don't belong. This can happen only a few tube stops apart. In Holland Park you feel poor. On Latimer Road you feel rich. Even registering for this website - the option of Black British as an ethnicity doesn't exist. The feeling of not belonging, and going overboard in order to fit in and belong - can cause stress and mental health symptoms.

How can institutions help?
One of the ways could be to highlight some symptoms of mental health and explain them in more detail. How do you know you are ill? What does depression feel like? How is it different to just "not being bothered today?". We all talk to ourselves - when is the voice in your mind a mental health issue?

Knowing some of these things for people who have never experienced mental health issues - might allow people to seek help quicker.

Show less of comment

Avatar for -
Up vote 0
Care 0
Report

From my experience, adult mental health care is very good: emergency numbers, fast track referrals, therapies. However with children it's much worse. First health visitors will tell you that every child is different, then GP says she has no...

Show full comment

From my experience, adult mental health care is very good: emergency numbers, fast track referrals, therapies. However with children it's much worse. First health visitors will tell you that every child is different, then GP says she has no time, school must make referral, school will wait until child is 7 and worst part, after being referred to a specialist, the waiting time for first appointment in Children Mental Health Services is 18 months! And this is when you more and more often hear about children suicide attempts. Too many patients, too little specialists. Government should focus on 'producing' doctors, not housing immigrants. Unfortunately London is building and building new homes without taking into account available services. Perhaps British people should have priority for NHS services, or higher rate taxpayers, or those who lived in a borough for longest.

Show less of comment

Avatar for - Ringed seal
Up vote 0
Care 0
Report

Bad for mental health:

Bad public transport: overcrowded trains and tube, inability to get into a morning train, delayed and cancelled trains - adds up to daily stress

Crime and violence: acid attacks, violent crime, car thefts (happened...

Show full comment

Bad for mental health:

Bad public transport: overcrowded trains and tube, inability to get into a morning train, delayed and cancelled trains - adds up to daily stress

Crime and violence: acid attacks, violent crime, car thefts (happened to me) - adds up to worry and anxiety

Dirt and litter: streets are full of litter and sometimes I feel like I live on a landfill. Some people just throw litter on the street - unacceptable. Litter also left on the street by garbage collection team.

How to help:

- More trains and tubes, no tolerance for delays.

- Zero tolerance for littering, more public litters on the streets, almost every street should have a small public litter, council should take care that garbage collection teams don't leave litter after themselves.

Show less of comment

Avatar for -
Up vote 0
Care 0
Report

I am interested in the relationship between depression and long term unemployment. These are often mutually reinforced, circular and self sustaining. Depression can lead to job loss and difficulty in job seeking. Long term unemployment is...

Show full comment

I am interested in the relationship between depression and long term unemployment. These are often mutually reinforced, circular and self sustaining. Depression can lead to job loss and difficulty in job seeking. Long term unemployment is devastating to self esteem, leading to social isolation. Ageism is often a third closely related factor - losing a job at 40+ can be the initial step into long term unemployment and depression. All of this adds up to a gigantic waste of human skills and potential.

NHS services like Individual Placement and Support (IPS), which might offer a solution, aren't available to people with common mental health problems. I assume that's because it's too expensive given the huge numbers of people with depression. At least one social enterprise, Twining Enterprise, is focussed on mental wellbeing through work, and they offer IPS, but their services aren't available in every borough. As someone affected by all three issues I was thinking of starting another social enterprise myself to try to address this, but was persuaded by an advisor it would be exceptionally difficult without support and a wider network. Perhaps the best solution would be for organisations like Twining Enterprise to be funded London-wide and UK-wide.

Show less of comment

Avatar for -
Up vote 0
Care 0
Report

Relax, Let go, Be happy.

Relax inwardly & outwardly.

Let go of hope or fear, remain in the moment free from grasping.

Be Happy, cultivate a positive mind through random acts of kindness.

Avatar for -
Up vote 0
Care 0
Report

Mental Health is a great thing if you have it but so many of all ages have problems. I agree with many things that have already been posted and it shows the complexity of trying to help.
Perhaps there needs to be a strategy with actions...

Show full comment

Mental Health is a great thing if you have it but so many of all ages have problems. I agree with many things that have already been posted and it shows the complexity of trying to help.
Perhaps there needs to be a strategy with actions that could be taken. It could include:-
Social factors e.g. poor or no housing, chronic financial issues.Make available easily accessed drop in centres for people to meet or just 'chill out'
Babies and young children Keep and expand the Sure Start Centres
Work place e.g. attitudes, support for vulnerable employees
Schooling e.g. engagement between staff and families, zero tolerance for bullying [with help for the bullies to stop what they do]
Health e.g. association between acute and chronic physical ill health and mental health and support which is shown to help
Mental health problems - prompt and appropriate support from professionals [liked the idea of 'drop in clinics] -needs well educated and enthusiastic staff - proper training programmes, uniformity of provision across the country, clear idea of what the very good charitable organisations can provide. Education for the public in how to survive and hopefully access the help they individually feel might benefit them.
I am sure there are other things that should be included but we need a workable overall plan which is regularly reviewed

Show less of comment

Avatar for - Avatar image
Up vote 0
Care 0
Report

Hi Paula

Thank you for getting in touch with your suggestions.

At Thrive LDN we have set out six aspirations for London in our publication, which is available online (http://thriveldn.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/ThriveLDN-Publication…). These include action in such areas as workforce and involving children and young people. Do let us know what you think and whether our aspirations address the issues you put forward