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Poor mental health is one of the biggest challenges facing London. It often occurs more in certain communities, such as those living in poverty and amongst minority groups. However, mental health care does not always meet everyone’s needs.

Through 'Thrive LDN' organisations in London’s public, private, voluntary and community sectors have come together to rethink how we view and talk about mental health - and how to support people to be mentally healthy. With the support of Londoners, Thrive LDN aims to ensure that everyone, regardless of background and circumstances, has the knowledge, skills and support to develop good mental health. Projects include problem-solving booths, training in mental health first aid for London’s workforce and work with London schools.

In what ways do you think life in London is good or bad for your mental health? How could your school, workplace, or place of worship better support you to lead a mentally healthy and happy life?

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Creating a more equal society, so many issues stem from the disparity in wealth!

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The problem with this question is that it fails to look at the triggers of Mental Health that are created by school enviromnents, workplaces and at home. The Government as a whole have more guidelines and policies in place to 'support'...

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The problem with this question is that it fails to look at the triggers of Mental Health that are created by school enviromnents, workplaces and at home. The Government as a whole have more guidelines and policies in place to 'support' people but in fact it's making it harder as now we have a system of does it tick this box etc. It's easy to believe (most of them don't) that the Government do not care enough as the initiatives are only isolating people more, including long waiting lists to be referred to counsilling, being prescriped medication but have a skeleten amount of charities or organisations at hand to give further support in coping with what's happening in their life so that they do not become dependent on the prescription.
The education system is a trigger to young children and adults who all they want to do is learn as they struggle to keep with the demands the government have set. The problem is is what government is creating in this society. It's so deep its unreal.

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Hi DarelleB,

Thank you for getting in touch with your comments.

Improving mental health awareness and culture for children and young people and also in the workplace are two of Thrive's six aspirations for London; there's more info in our publication, which is available online (http://thriveldn.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/ThriveLDN-Publication…). Do let us know what you think and whether we're looking at the right areas.

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Another trigger is undiagnosed autism. There are many adults who did not grow up at a time when autism was on the radar of schools and others and they were 'missed'. As adults they now struggle with life. I suspect that many homeless...

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Another trigger is undiagnosed autism. There are many adults who did not grow up at a time when autism was on the radar of schools and others and they were 'missed'. As adults they now struggle with life. I suspect that many homeless people have undiagnosed autism, as well as many with drug and alcohol addiction, not to mention people caught up in the criminal justice system. Undiagnosed autistic people, and society, suffers because they are hidden.

However diagnosis sadly doesn't solve anything as support services are often not offered after diagnosis as they are virtually non-existent. This is definitely an area where London could provide a fantastic lead. Proper support for autistic people would be a significant preventative health measure. However it will take considerable imagination, skill and investment. It is a matter of will so it is possible. We cannot call ourselves a civilised society currently without a focus on the needs of autistic adults.

One major area of support would be proper housing for autistic adults (that includes people with Aspergers) - a good home is at the heart of good mental health. Many autistic people find it very hard to maintain a tenancy without support, levels of employment are very low and physical health can be poor. Often living in poverty, and dependent on benefits, because of their condition autistic people experience 'co-morbid' mental health problems along with common symptoms of autism such as anxiety and depression. Many self-medicate with drugs and alcohol. There is very poor understanding of the needs of autistic people in the mental health services and diagnosis is a struggle to achieve.

A fantastic start would be community housing, with support, for autistic people - and this must include those with no intellectual impairment. Aspergers adults are a hidden group disabled by their condition but really struggling to manage the complication of life in London, their needs must be met properly.

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It can be difficult to know where to find the correct kind of support required for a mental health problem. I have recently been helping a friend navigate the NHS and local Mental Health services.
The length of standard GP appointments...

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It can be difficult to know where to find the correct kind of support required for a mental health problem. I have recently been helping a friend navigate the NHS and local Mental Health services.
The length of standard GP appointments didn't seem to afford the doctor sufficient time/inclination to take a detailed interest in the case.
A referral to a local mental health unit required completion of a lengthy online questionnaire, and a considerable wait-time before any call-back was received, and then a further long wait before an actual assessment appointment granted.
The response within this appointment was even more disappointing. My friend has long-standing mental health issues, and has unfortunately turned to "self-medicating" with drugs, but was essentially told, "we can start to treat you for your mental health problems once you have reduced your drug usage." This seems to me akin to saying "we'll treat your heart problems when you stop having heart attacks," as the drug use is effectively a symptom of the pre-existing mental health problems.
Even after that contact, there has been no proactive contact made by the mental health unit, and my friend remains in limbo without the necessary support.
From these and other experiences over recent months, it does appear that there is a critical lack of funding for mental health services within the capital. I have even been in contact with MIND and other mental health charities myself, in order to receive support so that I can know how best to get my friend the required help, but it appears that there is no easy way to get access to a mental health professional who has the time & resources to take ownership of individual cases.

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The Mayor has blogged about how we could make London the happiest and healthiest city in the world: http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/sadiq-khan/thrive-ldn-mental-health_b_1…

Thank you for all your suggestions and comments so far and please keep them coming.

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I understand some of the issues - I have struggled a bit with anxiety - although much was work pressures & self induced.
I don't underestimate this problem BUT
We can wind ourselves up / create situations in our minds - especially if there...

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I understand some of the issues - I have struggled a bit with anxiety - although much was work pressures & self induced.
I don't underestimate this problem BUT
We can wind ourselves up / create situations in our minds - especially if there is a possibility of compensation.
I sometimes get myself upset then realise this is not real - I have learned to tell myself (from a seminar I attended some years ago) 'Arthur, you are creating a drama'. Amazingly, most times it works.
Other times I just tell myself to grow up and get a backbone. Surprising that can work too.
Sometimes they don't and then you know you might have a real issue.
We assume too much instead of finding out.
Or just need to say - 'I have too much on boss'

However, I wonder how much is due to upbringing, education, unrealistic expectations, over-exaggerated sense of ability/intelligence - political correctness, pandering/pampering/molicoddling, cotton wool wrapping/over protecting, everyone's a winner, you can do/be anything you want, you have rights (what about responsibilities), don't say anything negative (even if it is true/realistic), don't use red ink, etc. etc.
In a facebook post I pointed out a few real life facts (politely) - someone didn't like it and said I was being aggressive.
People not brought up to understand no and cannot deal with it.
Then the shock of joining the real world and get stressed over relatively minor issues that in the past were just dealt with as a matter of course.

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The reason we have so many mental health problems is that there are too many people with attitudes like yours.

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The reason we have so many problems these days (not just health) is people with a blinkered, do goody, moral high ground, denial attitude or people with agendas, self interests, etc.
I have given some experiences, suggestions, raised some...

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The reason we have so many problems these days (not just health) is people with a blinkered, do goody, moral high ground, denial attitude or people with agendas, self interests, etc.
I have given some experiences, suggestions, raised some questions/reservations, etc. (prepared to look at all aspects) all you have done is thrown a strop because you don't like something I have said (no matter how valid it might be - ironically, one of the points I made).
I should also have added drugs (not just heroin & the like - so called milder drugs), drink, anti-depressants (even the BBC has recognised this one), poor diet, etc. - self inflicted.
There are genuine mental health issues, self inflicted, behavioural, created. (ABCD, XYWZ, ADHD or whatever).
We need to be careful what we do/how we do it, sort wheat from chaff and focus on the genuine otherwise resources will get spread too thinly and not used efficiently or effectively - and undermine what we want to achieve.
Need to change certain behaviours/expectations, etc. - but that needs recognition not denial.
Another fear I have is that people will jump on this as another opportunity to make money (like benefits, insurance scams), or to avoid responsibilities, skive off work, etc. Already seen growing evidence of this when I was at work. Lazy or incompetent people, or brats who want to do what they want, etc. - when highlighted, challenged, try to correct - they go off for months with stress accusing people of being bullies, etc., inflicting more stress on the rest of the team.

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Dear Talk London,

If you are genuine about finding solutions to Mental Health problems in London, why even mention "certain communities, such as those living in poverty and amongst minority groups"? Every one with mental health problems...

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Dear Talk London,

If you are genuine about finding solutions to Mental Health problems in London, why even mention "certain communities, such as those living in poverty and amongst minority groups"? Every one with mental health problems should count the same regardless of background, not just those you choose to highlight, so shame on you for showing bias. As "ajt5000" said a week ago; "regard people with equal respect", otherwise you fall into the trap of 'tick-box' solution finding which never provides anyone any real benefit (except perhaps a career boost for the one who thought up the tick-box idea in the first place).

If you want to address mental health issues, start with the appalling quality of housing stock in London; obviously some of it is wonderful, world-leading even, but too much of it is too small; it’s cramped and claustrophobic, there is limited or even no space for creativity so it is difficult for a person or whole families to self-actualise, and there is a lack of easily accessible safe, open spaces. There are lots of parks but if you have to walk a mile to get to one of them it’s not something you can let your child play in for 10 minutes as it takes 20 minutes just to get there. Every block of flats that gets built should have mandatory green space or recreational space allocated beside it because if you are living on any level above ground floor you can’t just open the door and let your child into a garden, at best they can run up and down a hallway as long as they don’t bother the other neighbours on the same floor. Therefore, stress builds up. And stress will happily feed on itself to make bad situations worse......

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……A home should be a sanctuary, a place of safety and individuality, a place to have ‘peace’ but Planners and Developers in London are too busy converting them into uber-basic, high-price units which people have to squeeze their lives into...

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……A home should be a sanctuary, a place of safety and individuality, a place to have ‘peace’ but Planners and Developers in London are too busy converting them into uber-basic, high-price units which people have to squeeze their lives into in order to have a functional existence – and none of the authorities are taking a stance. Indeed, the authorities whether the Mayor, local councils or the London Assembly etc. turn a blind eye to the psychological needs of the individual when new ‘homes’ are approved because as long as ‘something’ gets added to the London housing stock then they deludedly think they’ve done a good job!

There are of course many other issues affecting mental health (both positive and negative) but if you can’t even get the most basic requirement of a good quality home environment right, what chance is there to build anything solid on top of shaky foundations?

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Hi London One

Thank you for your comment and suggestions..

We are genuine about finding solutions to mental health problems in London. The GLA, like other public bodies, has a responsibility to try to understand the impact of its policies on groups protected by laws such as the Equality Act 2010. We can only meet that duty if we try to understand the specific experience of people in those groups. People from different backgrounds experience life in London in different ways - often in ways that aren’t obvious to people who aren’t in those groups.

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Before I explain a couple of things, what would really help me is for TFL not to show FREEDOM PASS on their bus oyster card digital displays when I swipe my freedom pass on them. I get questions from my friends who see that when they swipe...

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Before I explain a couple of things, what would really help me is for TFL not to show FREEDOM PASS on their bus oyster card digital displays when I swipe my freedom pass on them. I get questions from my friends who see that when they swipe their oyster card after me and I really don't want to explain about my mental health conditions every single time they notice. Tube barriers don't show it. Why should busses do? ..And yes, I already contacted TFL about it but they rejected my request.

Secondly, same as NHS sexual health drop in clinics, there should be Mental Health drop in clinics in each borough,
Overall schools and work places should have more info services/booths/lectures/etc on mental health and how to prevent it/relapse/deal with it. Good information on what causes it and how it works would also help.

Thirdly, I think London has a more open approach to mental health problems than many European countries.
However, the speed of the NHS services is devastating and:

- Psychiatrists on the NHS are often doctor trainees. They only stay for 6 months/1 year and you never get to speak with your real consultant anyway. They pretty much stab in the dark (most of them). They are too young and they lack experience
- NHS Psychotherapists can be surprisingly good sometimes, once you manage to get a slot with them.. But before you do, the waiting times are forever and the NHS is terrible at admin.. You have to chase them continuously for an update. Some are simply first care psychotherapists and don't know how to deal with more complicated cases.
- In my experience often different NHS psychological services simply put things off by passing each other the hot potato that is your case.. And once you are stuck in that circle, only a good social worker and push things forward for you.

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That is ridiculous about the oyster card and can't see why TfL can't change it. I think the mental health drop in clinic is a great idea. Schools do have the info you talk about but also struggle to get referrals e.g. to CAMHS because the...

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That is ridiculous about the oyster card and can't see why TfL can't change it. I think the mental health drop in clinic is a great idea. Schools do have the info you talk about but also struggle to get referrals e.g. to CAMHS because the threshold is so high. We often end up waiting till it get serious and then, as you say, a social worker (if you get a good one) can progress things. As for going round in a circle, i absolutely agree.

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I think London has a more open approach to mental health problems than many European countries.
However, the speed of the NHS services is devastating and:

- Psychiatrists on the NHS are often doctor trainees. They only stay for 6 months/1...

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I think London has a more open approach to mental health problems than many European countries.
However, the speed of the NHS services is devastating and:

- Psychiatrists on the NHS are often doctor trainees. They only stay for 6 months/1 year and you never get to speak with your real consultant anyway. They pretty much stab in the dark (most of them). They are too young and they lack experience
- NHS Psychotherapists can be surprisingly good sometimes, once you manage to get a slot with them.. But before you do, the waiting times are forever and the NHS is terrible at admin.. You have to chase them continuously for an update. Some are simply first care psychotherapists and don't know how to deal with more complicated cases.
- In my experience often different NHS psychological services simply put things off by passing each other the hot potato that is your case.. And once you are stuck in that circle, only a good social worker and push things forward for you.

Overall schools and work places should have more info services/booths/lectures/etc on mental health and how to prevent it/relapse/deal with it. Good information on what causes it and how it works would also help.
Same as NHS sexual health drop in clinics, there should be Mental Health drop in clinics in each borough,

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Agree the NHS therapists can but good - I think referral times vary enormously from one area to another. With schools , most already do support and signpost but it is then down to parents to follow up and this is where the whole thing...

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Agree the NHS therapists can but good - I think referral times vary enormously from one area to another. With schools , most already do support and signpost but it is then down to parents to follow up and this is where the whole thing often falls apart. Possibly more parent support workers (and with better training) could help with this follow up as schools are unable to - otherwise we wait till things get really bad and then social care take over (see Guardian article today)

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Thank your for sharing your personal stories and commenting on this important topic.

Support services are an important factor. Would you know where to go if you, or somebody you knew, was thinking about suicide?

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Because there is no longer any sense of community When I lived in Chelsea in the sixties everybody looked out for everybody else I moved to Dagenham in the nineties and no-one wants to know and I find it is the elderly that are the worst so...

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Because there is no longer any sense of community When I lived in Chelsea in the sixties everybody looked out for everybody else I moved to Dagenham in the nineties and no-one wants to know and I find it is the elderly that are the worst so being both elderly and disabled I feel quite isolated, I really rely on my laptop

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I suffer from severe depression and have sectioned twice over the past 10 years. Unfortunately, I over react to situations/problems and things have been building up to the point I have started to feel suicidal. I last had contact with the...

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I suffer from severe depression and have sectioned twice over the past 10 years. Unfortunately, I over react to situations/problems and things have been building up to the point I have started to feel suicidal. I last had contact with the area mental heath team 4 years ago, I tried to contact them only to find they no longer exist to to funding cuts and I was told to contact my local, 12 miles away, phyciactric hospital.
This I did only to be told as I was over 60, prescribed medication and not in the imediate are the earliest appointment was in 18 months time. so either have to pay for private treatment, which I can't afford on attempt suicide and get sectioned again, if they can find a bed within 100 miles. Don't say contact my gp because there is a different one each time I mange to get an appointment and the earliest one I can get is 4 weeks time. Perhaps us oldies, I'm 68, should have the option of a one way trip to Switzerland instead of collecting our pension. At least it would save the government and NHS one in the longrun

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Commuting in the tube, worrying about being hit by buses/vehicles on the road while cycling where no cycling lanes exist or crossing at major junctions, these add to my anxiety. Also when I think about how much air pollution I am breathing...

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Commuting in the tube, worrying about being hit by buses/vehicles on the road while cycling where no cycling lanes exist or crossing at major junctions, these add to my anxiety. Also when I think about how much air pollution I am breathing in, that is not a comforting thought. The cost of affording clean, safe, appropriate accommodation in London hits anxiety hard for many residents, I would say.

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Never had the help I actually wanted. 67 years old, severe anxiety depression since teenage years.
The Guardian is asking today for narratives about relationship between insecure employment and mental health. From leaving university in...

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Never had the help I actually wanted. 67 years old, severe anxiety depression since teenage years.
The Guardian is asking today for narratives about relationship between insecure employment and mental health. From leaving university in 1974 I o nly ever managed one 5 year stint in a regular job. Back then, there was an Executive & Professional Register at the Employment Exchange. This wasn't the slightest help.
I haven't worked since 2002. I listened to Ian Duncan-Smith on the Today programme talking about helping people out of poverty by helping employment prospects.
I went to a lot of trouble to enroll in a scheme based in neighbouring LB Lambeth. The scheme was a shambles, very badly organised, poor quality and some very odd referrals to utterly inappropriate external disorganised organisations.
Recently I got a CBT referral. Not what I wanted but I gave it a go..My 'Guide' was incredibly rushed. She arrived late then couldn't wait to leave the building ASAP. I felt like a nuisance to my 'therapist,'
I have very long term anxiety/depression. That's why I attended - doh! .

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I agree with all the comments posted so far. I'm lucky to be well enough to work but the workplace is often not a very supportive place. What could we do to make London more mentally healthy? More green spaces, less pollution, cleaner and...

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I agree with all the comments posted so far. I'm lucky to be well enough to work but the workplace is often not a very supportive place. What could we do to make London more mentally healthy? More green spaces, less pollution, cleaner and quieter streets - make it a calmer and more peaceful place to be. Reduce poverty, reduce rents (bring back rent controls), build good quality social and affordable housing. Increase investment in NHS and community mental health services by several hundred percent. Hire and train staff who do actually care. Talk more about mental health and wellbeing and put services in place to support those who are under pressure through family and relationship breakdown, poverty, joblessness, work pressures, housing problems, health problems, ageing etc.
Get employers to do more to support their staff. Offer education and support in wellbeing and relationships for adults as well as children. All this costs money but the cost of not doing it is higher in terms of mental illness and social breakdown. We all need to protect our mental health. Friendship, care for others and a sense of community can go a long way to help.

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I agree well being education would be helpful. Not only in education and ante natal settings but more generally in community groups, churches, workplaces and health centres etc. The trouble with psychiatric services and mental health...

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I agree well being education would be helpful. Not only in education and ante natal settings but more generally in community groups, churches, workplaces and health centres etc. The trouble with psychiatric services and mental health diagnoses is that these never resolve with the real life issues that drive mental distress and lead to people not having the strength to recover. I think that with more understanding more people would find ways to recover from acute distress rather than developing chronic conditions.

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Very glad to see this as a topic being discussed. I trained as a psychotherapist and have been working in the mental health space for the past 18 years. In my view the most helpful interventions would be wellbeing education as part of...

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Very glad to see this as a topic being discussed. I trained as a psychotherapist and have been working in the mental health space for the past 18 years. In my view the most helpful interventions would be wellbeing education as part of school curriculums, as well as guidance for parents. As mentioned in the comment stream, mental health can stem from material problems (housing, pollution, employment, physical healthcare), but many also form because of difficulties in childhood (abuse, trauma, addiction). Antenatal NCT classes place more emphasis on child birth than child rearing in my view - an element that could be usefully added to existing courses. A mindful parent can, I believe, help raise a more emotionally balanced child who may grow up to be a more resilient adult.

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absolutely agree about the antenatal support with child rearing - so many parents I see really need that kind of help, not just for around managing behaviour at different stages, but also basic nutrition - so many little kids in buggies...

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absolutely agree about the antenatal support with child rearing - so many parents I see really need that kind of help, not just for around managing behaviour at different stages, but also basic nutrition - so many little kids in buggies (and bigger kids in buggies that should be walking) munching on packets of crisps, constant snacking etc. I would like to see a much beefed up health visiting service - too late if you leave it to when they get to school.

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Speaking as a parent and carer of someone with mental health problems, and this is purely an observation through personal experience, I don't think it helps that mental health teams, in my experience are often served by 'locum'...

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Speaking as a parent and carer of someone with mental health problems, and this is purely an observation through personal experience, I don't think it helps that mental health teams, in my experience are often served by 'locum' psychiatrists who don't stay for more than 6 months. From what I understand, pertaining to my son's case, this means a formal diagnoses is unlikely to happen as they (the psychiatrists) have to agree/confirm diagnoses over a 6 month period and we always end up back at square 1. Just wish they could spend some time living in my shoes at times.

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Hi everyone

Thank you for sharing your views so far. It can be difficult to talk about mental health issues and hard for people to access support services to help them overcome mental illness.

Would you know where to go if you, or someone you know, was experiencing a mental health problem? What more could be done to create a culture of openness about mental illness?

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Hi Talk London,

From previous experience, I would contact Mind. I got seen there very quickly and the service offered was amazing. I would also recommend the service as going the NHS would take much longer. What should be implemented into...

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Hi Talk London,

From previous experience, I would contact Mind. I got seen there very quickly and the service offered was amazing. I would also recommend the service as going the NHS would take much longer. What should be implemented into the school curriculam is how to deal with stress, but rather than it being taught in lesson form it should be an activitiy the teachers and students engange in together. I understand it's easy to suggest this and it would be interesting to know what Teachers would recommend? It's proven that nature is a natural relaxer, young children and youths should be allowed more time outside. As teachers are already under a lot of pressure, organisations im sure would be willing to come in and assist so the teachers aswell have time for themselves

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People do need to be taken seriously. They have real problems and they need real solutions.

Also, high pollution levels are correlated with high mental distress levels. If we can breathe cleaner air through finding solutions to commuter...

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People do need to be taken seriously. They have real problems and they need real solutions.

Also, high pollution levels are correlated with high mental distress levels. If we can breathe cleaner air through finding solutions to commuter stresses like pot holes in our roads, the knock on health benefits ought to be accumulative.

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Completely agree.

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Problem No1 - Civic Centers and they customer services did not referring individuals to mental health department they try to calm them down not helped.
The same about Job Center Plus who even did not asking why illiterate which apply to job...

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Problem No1 - Civic Centers and they customer services did not referring individuals to mental health department they try to calm them down not helped.
The same about Job Center Plus who even did not asking why illiterate which apply to job which not adequate they literacy level.

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