Cleaning up London’s toxic air
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Paris' most famous boulevard, the Champs-Elysees, will soon be closed to motor traffic on the first Sunday of every month. Nine other routes will also be pedestrianised every Sunday and public holiday, adding to 13 that already restrict traffic as part of the ‘Paris Respire’ anti-pollution programme.
Would you welcome pedestrianisation or car-free days in central London? If not, why not? What are the main benefits, or otherwise, from your perspective?
The discussion ran from 26 April 2016 - 26 July 2016
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Community Member 8 years agoHow about a ban on all except electric vehicles in the congestion charge area? If we could have a fleet of electric cars available at designated entry points like the bike scheme, those who cannot walk far or carry goods (elderly and...
Show full commentHow about a ban on all except electric vehicles in the congestion charge area? If we could have a fleet of electric cars available at designated entry points like the bike scheme, those who cannot walk far or carry goods (elderly and disabled) could drive with minimal pollution. It is pollution we need to eradicate, rather than excluding either cyclists or conversely the disabled from enjoying London. Electric transport will be just that and of no interest to the Porsche owners of Kensington
Show less of commentDavidB
Community Member 8 years agoI am against this idea. It so difficult to move around London and pedestrianised main roads and cycle lanes make it worst. They slow busses to a crawl and so make pollutuion worst.
livehere
Community Member 8 years agoYes, you can see the exhaust fumes pouring out of the buses in the bus jams. The Clean Air Society says that in the first 4 months of this year, 1000 people were killed by exhaust fume particles.
Show full commentYes, you can see the exhaust fumes pouring out of the buses in the bus jams. The Clean Air Society says that in the first 4 months of this year, 1000 people were killed by exhaust fume particles.
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Community Member 8 years agoIn a real world this all sounds wonderful but yes but STOP back 2010 I woke one monrning to find now I was disabled with MS using a wheelchair unable to even clean my own teeth unless any one passed everything. Now after lots of hard...
Show full commentIn a real world this all sounds wonderful but yes but STOP back 2010 I woke one monrning to find now I was disabled with MS using a wheelchair unable to even clean my own teeth unless any one passed everything. Now after lots of hard work with physio I can do something's. So how are the diabled to visit the shops on OXFORD ST if there are no bus to go to a shop get back on the bus to the next stop. PLEASE stop and think about every one.
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Community Member 8 years agoOf course people with transport needs should not be discriminated against. Maybe low impact public transport shuttles (such as small electric vehicles which move at a slower pace) could be compatible with a move towards pedestrian friendly...
Show full commentOf course people with transport needs should not be discriminated against. Maybe low impact public transport shuttles (such as small electric vehicles which move at a slower pace) could be compatible with a move towards pedestrian friendly rules on big shopping streets.
Show less of commentAnonymous - account deleted
Community Member 8 years agoNo - London is already too car-unfriendly, and I resent that as I pay a fortune in taxes including my road tax.
Anonymous - account deleted
Community Member 8 years agoAn excellent idea, less pollution,more thought for the pedestian,for London Oxford St would be perfect but bus'sshould also be included,there are many alternative routes
livehere
Community Member 8 years agoAlternative routes through residential roads, just shifting the pollution to where it will do the most harm.
Show full commentAlternative routes through residential roads, just shifting the pollution to where it will do the most harm.
Show less of commentMarion W
Community Member 9 years agoOn Sat Aug 6th Exhibition Rd was shut to traffic to allow a giant crane to work at the V&A. It made the road so much better, safer, quite, children playing right across the road, would welcome it being like that every weekend, at least...
Show full commentOn Sat Aug 6th Exhibition Rd was shut to traffic to allow a giant crane to work at the V&A. It made the road so much better, safer, quite, children playing right across the road, would welcome it being like that every weekend, at least during the summer holidays.
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Community Member 9 years agoAfter 7/7 Millbank was closed just in front of Parliament. You suddenly realised what a great throughfare this was. Perhaps could be considered when Parliament Square pedestrianised.
Show full commentAfter 7/7 Millbank was closed just in front of Parliament. You suddenly realised what a great throughfare this was. Perhaps could be considered when Parliament Square pedestrianised.
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Community Member 9 years agoWhen Oxford Street is closed (Christmas lights/burst pipes/etc), the nearby streets become car parks. The pollution doesn't disappear, it becomes displaced.
Show full commentWhen Oxford Street is closed (Christmas lights/burst pipes/etc), the nearby streets become car parks. The pollution doesn't disappear, it becomes displaced.
Show less of commentJohn H
Community Member 9 years agoHaving read through ALL of the posts on here this evening and survived, I have to say that the outstanding suggestion that will contribute most to the stated aim of reducing pollution on Oxford Street is indeed to close all the shops on...
Show full commentHaving read through ALL of the posts on here this evening and survived, I have to say that the outstanding suggestion that will contribute most to the stated aim of reducing pollution on Oxford Street is indeed to close all the shops on Sunday's. As worthy of a trial as anything else mentioned here!
Show less of commentlivehere
Community Member 9 years agoI second that! As would most nearby residents, I should think. We used to get one day a week of relative quiet and cleaner air. Now it is two days per year (Xmas and Easter Sunday), with those being fast eroded.
Penelope Riley
Community Member 9 years agoYes, close Oxford Street shops on Sundays! Best idea of all.
Show full commentYes, close Oxford Street shops on Sundays! Best idea of all.
Show less of commentMirandakj
Community Member 9 years agoLBWF has tried to force the populace to cycle and have massively increased air pollution from stationary diesel vehicles including buses. 46% of people over sixty are disabled, at least 10% of the younger population is disabled and only 8%...
Show full commentLBWF has tried to force the populace to cycle and have massively increased air pollution from stationary diesel vehicles including buses. 46% of people over sixty are disabled, at least 10% of the younger population is disabled and only 8% of the working population cycles on a weekly basis. I would like to see electric buses, electric transport for the elderly and disabled and the freeing up of traffic to reduce idling fumes. I would advocate a congestion charge within the M25 with exemptions for disabled drivers (as now) and the introduction of electric taxis.
Show less of commentE17 Pioneer
Community Member 9 years agoOnly 12% of WF use their cars to travel to work. Only 55% of the WF population have access to cars. You are protecting the entitlement of the privileged over the poor who have no access to cars.
Show full commentIn a recent Age Concern report, 67% people...
Only 12% of WF use their cars to travel to work. Only 55% of the WF population have access to cars. You are protecting the entitlement of the privileged over the poor who have no access to cars.
Show less of commentIn a recent Age Concern report, 67% people over the age of 60 in London prefer to use public transport or walk.
You have no evidence to support your claim that pollution has increased, TFL have stated bus speeds are the same now on Hoe Street as before the MH implementation.
They are not trying to force people to cycle only - they would also like people to walk. They are creating conditions where children's lives are not put in danger and they can actually walk to school. The free movement of traffic kills or seriously injures 7 children a year in WF - DfT figures.
If you really care about pollution, then encourage the able bodied not to drive. If you care about the free movement of the disabled, then encourage the able bodied not to drive. If you really care about the elderly, then encourage the able bodied not to drive. Then street conditions would be safe enough for children, the elderly and other vulnerable groups to safely walk their own streets.
LaterNewspaper
Community Member 9 years agoI assume closing the subways at Marble Arch and completely emptying Joe Strummer subway actually has increased pollution from stationary vehicles.
Show full commentWhat a bunch of killjoys. Those subways use to be packed with people going to and from the...
I assume closing the subways at Marble Arch and completely emptying Joe Strummer subway actually has increased pollution from stationary vehicles.
Show less of commentWhat a bunch of killjoys. Those subways use to be packed with people going to and from the park on sunny weekends and there use to be toilets in the park.
E17 Pioneer
Community Member 9 years agoI would support car free days. Many people who currently drive may realise that their usual destinations are actually walkable instead and take the habit up permanently. It is a proven statistic that 10% of people who have to take a...
Show full commentI would support car free days. Many people who currently drive may realise that their usual destinations are actually walkable instead and take the habit up permanently. It is a proven statistic that 10% of people who have to take a different route due to a change in circumstances change their habit permanently. I would also support people being able to scoot, rollerblade, use mobility chairs and cycle along with pedestrians. Before everyone objects to this, please remember cyclists aren't a large homogenous group, some are disabled ( please refer to Isabelle Clement of Wheels for Wellbeing ) some are elderly, or slow middle aged women, or young children. Not all are lycra clad boy racers, and some of us are sensible and change our behaviour around others - much the same as drivers do.
Show less of commentThe more we encourage people to use their city differently, them more likely it is that these habits change permanently.
livehere
Community Member 9 years ago'slow middle aged women' ???
E17 Pioneer
Community Member 9 years agoYes, some cyclists are slow middle aged women, some are children, some are fast middle aged women. As I said before, cyclists aren't one homogenous group, we need to move away from the idea that cyclists are all 20 something men trying to...
Show full commentYes, some cyclists are slow middle aged women, some are children, some are fast middle aged women. As I said before, cyclists aren't one homogenous group, we need to move away from the idea that cyclists are all 20 something men trying to run elderly people down. Cyclists would be able to move slowly amongst pedestrians in mixed environments.
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Official Representative 9 years agoThanks very much all for your views and ideas posted here. These will all be given to City Hall's environment team.Here's a message from Sadiq on what happens next with the clean air consultation as a whole.
LaterNewspaper
Community Member 9 years agoWhy not phase out cars?
Show full commentWhy not phase out cars?
Show less of commentJo McKillop
Community Member 9 years agoI wouldn't mind seeing more parts of London restricted to buses, taxis, cycles and the emergency services. There's no need for so many people to keep cars in the city with the best public transport network on Earth! Quite often it amounts...
Show full commentI wouldn't mind seeing more parts of London restricted to buses, taxis, cycles and the emergency services. There's no need for so many people to keep cars in the city with the best public transport network on Earth! Quite often it amounts to personal vanity and negligible convenience over the greater detriment to fellow citizens in terms of congestion and of pollution-related health effects such as asthma.
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Community Member 9 years agoI agree with reducing petrol and diesel use in Central London as a whole. But I don't agree with pedestrianisation schemes which just dump the extra traffic onto side streets. Its the worst possible scenario - making central london...
Show full commentI agree with reducing petrol and diesel use in Central London as a whole. But I don't agree with pedestrianisation schemes which just dump the extra traffic onto side streets. Its the worst possible scenario - making central london neighbourhoods even more polluted. Increase the congestion charge and ensure that buses and taxis in Central London are electric NOT diesel.
Show less of commentbisgrg01
Community Member 9 years agoPedestrianisation is a good idea in theory, however it can just push the problem to other areas if there is no effort to positively encourage the use of other form of transport. In Walthamstow a small section of road has been pedestrianised...
Show full commentPedestrianisation is a good idea in theory, however it can just push the problem to other areas if there is no effort to positively encourage the use of other form of transport. In Walthamstow a small section of road has been pedestrianised in an area known as Wlathamstow Villiage. Sounds good until you speak to residents in surounding areas that have seen a rise in trafic and problem parking since the introduction of the pedestrian area. Wlthamstow Villiage is an area populated by wealthy middle class Londoners that have a disproportionatley bigger voice on such matters, people in the adversely affected areas are less well off and less listened to. My point, if there is one is that padestrianisation only really helps a few people in a small area, if air quality and quality of life is to be improved in London, there must be a rethink of all aspects of transport in the city, no option should be off the table at this stage, lets be radical and forward thinking.
Show less of commentGb.scholes
Community Member 9 years agoEven the professional traffic planners are not going to please everyone when they get to grips with Oxford Street. Almost 400 comments here now cover most if not all the present ideas. We amateurs are in agreement that Oxford Street is a...
Show full commentEven the professional traffic planners are not going to please everyone when they get to grips with Oxford Street. Almost 400 comments here now cover most if not all the present ideas. We amateurs are in agreement that Oxford Street is a toxic mess. Those of us who live close by to the North or South of the street are fearful of the impact that simple traffic diversion of the present volume either side would have. Presently there are 17 bus routes on all or part of Oxford Street and 10 on the section just between Marble Arch and Oxford Circus. When we consider both east and westbound bus traffic that is 34 routes. A lot of these busses seem to be much less than half full most of the day.
Replacing these 34 routes with a dedicated shuttle is an interesting idea except it would need additional terminals to the north and south to accommodate those routes. Not easy.
displacement of the present traffic
Show less of commentwjhaddock
Community Member 9 years agoI think I'd keep the north south busses as they are where possible, hence my suggestion of an underpass for Regent Street.
What we do with Baker Street and the A41, I don't know, but that's what clever people are for...
livehere
Community Member 9 years agoGreater London Assembly Transport Committee and TfL staff are RIGHT NOW investigating scenarios for traffic and transport management that would enable Oxford Street pedestrianisation. They have been in discussion with various interested...
Show full commentGreater London Assembly Transport Committee and TfL staff are RIGHT NOW investigating scenarios for traffic and transport management that would enable Oxford Street pedestrianisation. They have been in discussion with various interested parties/organisations but have EXCLUDED residents groups that represent the residents who will be most seriously affected by pedestrianisation. I think it is essential that residents' associations are involved at this stage, instead of being consulated later on.
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Community Member 9 years agoYes.
Show full commentIt would encourage more walking and cycling and allow people to enjoy their city.
More events like the light festival last year - Illuminta?- which allowed people to walk down London streets.
I love going on marches just for the chance...
Yes.
Show less of commentIt would encourage more walking and cycling and allow people to enjoy their city.
More events like the light festival last year - Illuminta?- which allowed people to walk down London streets.
I love going on marches just for the chance to look up and admire all the buildings.
Michael Bach
Community Member 9 years agoFollow the pattern of Copenhagen - reduce traffic and parking in the city centre by 5% a year, gradually giving more space over to walking streets and cycling. A strong, consistent effort to change Central London into a pedestrian-friendly...
Show full commentFollow the pattern of Copenhagen - reduce traffic and parking in the city centre by 5% a year, gradually giving more space over to walking streets and cycling. A strong, consistent effort to change Central London into a pedestrian-friendly area. There are plenty of examples in Europe - Oslo, Barcelona, even Rome - hold an international seminar to learn from others. Congestion Charge was only a start, but not sufficient follow-up. Large projects like Trafalgar Square and Leicester Square are all very well, but a more extensive network is necessary.
Car-free days may be a way to help people envision what the environment could be like, but at present these are too infrequent.
Show less of commentwjhaddock
Community Member 9 years agoAccording to Wikipedia:
Copenhagen has an Urban population of ~1.28m in 616km2 for a density of 2,052.4/km2
London has an Urban population of ~9.8m in 1738km2 for a density of 5,631/ km2
i.e. the "problem" in London is 7.5 times bigger...
Show full commentAccording to Wikipedia:
Copenhagen has an Urban population of ~1.28m in 616km2 for a density of 2,052.4/km2
London has an Urban population of ~9.8m in 1738km2 for a density of 5,631/ km2
i.e. the "problem" in London is 7.5 times bigger in population and 2.8 times more complex (taking density as an index of complexity). So, taking a little mathematical licence and multiplying the two to get an overall comparison, that suggests that solving a problem in London is 21 times more difficult than the equivalent in Copenhagen...
If you were to say that actually, increasing density doesn't just multiply the problem but should be taken as a power function (which doesn't seem unreasonable when you think about how problems compound as the space you have to solve them in is reduced) then you get a ratio of 281 times.
As I said in my post above, London is very big and very complicated and just can't accommodate some of the solutions that smaller, simpler cities like Copenhagen can.
NB the comparison for Rome isn't as easy because Wikipedia doesn't have the same numbers but the Metropolitan population figures is ~4.3m compared with London's 13.9m. The commune density is 2,232/km2 which compares with 5,518 for Greater London and 10,560/km2 for Westminster giving a size ratio of 3.23 and a density ratio of let's say about 3.5 making the simple ratio ~11 and the power ratio ~60, although admittedly Rome does have a much older cityscape to operate in so that's probably overcooked.
Show less of commentPaul L
Community Member 9 years ago"If you were to say that actually, increasing density doesn't just multiply the problem but should be taken as a power function "
Show full commentWhy would you say any such thing ? Convention has it that low density suburbs require motorised transport so...
"If you were to say that actually, increasing density doesn't just multiply the problem but should be taken as a power function "
Show less of commentWhy would you say any such thing ? Convention has it that low density suburbs require motorised transport so higher densities should be ideal for walking and cycling.
bulldogmeg
Community Member 9 years agoMake Oxford St pedestrians only what about disabled people are they not allowed to shop
Show full commentAnother bright idea from the anti car brigade
Make Oxford St pedestrians only what about disabled people are they not allowed to shop
Show less of commentAnother bright idea from the anti car brigade
Anonymous - account deleted
Community Member 8 years agoThis is an interesting comment. The solution, of course, is to make public transportation more disabled friendly, not to force disabled people to use the car.