Data sharing
Do you trust local authorities and public services to share data with each other or with the private sector?
Do you trust local authorities like your council and public services such as the NHS, to share data with each other to improve services?
Do you trust them to share your data with the private sector to meet city challenges, e.g. waste and recycling collection?
Why or why not?
The discussion ran from 13 March 2018 - 14 September 2018
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Community Member 7 years agoAs long as I can check the data and ask for alterations (which requests may have to be evidenced) I am happy for public service bodies to share it. The NHS obsession with confidentiality has been a real problem with productivity in health...
Show full commentAs long as I can check the data and ask for alterations (which requests may have to be evidenced) I am happy for public service bodies to share it. The NHS obsession with confidentiality has been a real problem with productivity in health services.
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Community Member 7 years agoAbsolutely no way can councils or other authorities be trusted
Isenior
Community Member 7 years agoAgreed.
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Official Representative 7 years agoThanks everyone for sharing your views so far on this complex topic.
Many of you seem reluctant for data to be shared in general, although some of you see the value in data being shared with your consent and knowledge.
A few examples of how data could be used:
Transport reliability and options — Data about the volume of people that move around the city – or stay home – tells us about better travel choices such as smart mobility, car and bicycle sharing.
Energy — Data on energy consumption from smart meters, if securely and privately shared, and processed alongside public data, could help us understand if we can help people save money on their energy bills and where to encourage investment in better heating systems for neighbourhoods.
What do you think of this? Can you think of any other data sharing examples that would have a positive outcome?
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Community Member 7 years agoSurely TfL already have bulk travel details: how many people use Waterloo, movements from outskirts to central and vice versa during rush hour, etc. That's fine, but details about individual's movements (or staying at home) are none of...
Show full commentSurely TfL already have bulk travel details: how many people use Waterloo, movements from outskirts to central and vice versa during rush hour, etc. That's fine, but details about individual's movements (or staying at home) are none of anyone's business. Least of all the state's.
There are plenty of resources available for people interested in reducing their bills, so the state has no need to get involved. And as for 'encouragement'! The state has only one means of encouragement: more taxes to persuade the populace to do as they're told.
Show less of commentIsenior
Community Member 7 years agoTotally against smart meters. A recipe for disaster. Big brother wants to help me save money on energy? I don't believe it.
Transport planning - you only need data on movements, not on who made them.
You try and list positives but...
Show full commentTotally against smart meters. A recipe for disaster. Big brother wants to help me save money on energy? I don't believe it.
Transport planning - you only need data on movements, not on who made them.
You try and list positives but struggle. We all know of the negatives which you ignore........
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Community Member 7 years agoI believe the reason most people are likely to be uncomfortable with this kind of data sharing as they have no custodial control over their data and no quick and easy way to manage revocable consent to its use on a granular basis.
I would...
Show full commentI believe the reason most people are likely to be uncomfortable with this kind of data sharing as they have no custodial control over their data and no quick and easy way to manage revocable consent to its use on a granular basis.
I would like us to talk as we have developed such a system to allow members to selectively share individual pieces of data in the right context while protecting their identity, yet guaranteeing their fidelity. Please get in touch.
Show less of commentVron
Community Member 7 years agoUnder no circumstances should our data be shared. It WILL be abused, Data is sold for large sums of money hence all the phone calls about accidents, windows, PPI etc. It is private information and should remain as such.
Isenior
Community Member 7 years agoAgreed.
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Community Member 7 years agoI have tried to post an explanation here but have had to ask them why it is rejected, so a simple answer is no, no, no.
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Community Member 7 years agoNO. The information is often inaccurate and mistakes are constantly re-employed and very difficult, to the point of being impossible, to rectify.
Show full commentI do not trust anybody with information they may have gathered about me particularly...
NO. The information is often inaccurate and mistakes are constantly re-employed and very difficult, to the point of being impossible, to rectify.
Show less of commentI do not trust anybody with information they may have gathered about me particularly if it is without my knowledge.
Lady Iveta
Community Member 7 years agoI sometimes getting too many appetizing for various offers and introducing ... from who it all do coming? Why local authorities did not investigating it?
Show full commentI sometimes getting too many appetizing for various offers and introducing ... from who it all do coming? Why local authorities did not investigating it?
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Community Member 7 years agoI am disappointed with both the question raised and the survey as they both simplify a complex discussion into a simple yes / no answer.
How can you agree in the same statement that providing sensors on bin-weights for collection is that...
Show full commentI am disappointed with both the question raised and the survey as they both simplify a complex discussion into a simple yes / no answer.
How can you agree in the same statement that providing sensors on bin-weights for collection is that same as collecting personal data about medical conditions and sharing that with the whole NHS staff.
Information security is something that relates to individuals with specific needs having access to data and being trained and trusted to act responsibility.
There is a lot of trust in traditional paper processes but by digitising this it increases the risks as well as making things more efficient. Patient details in a poorly designed system can be accessed by any members of staff in the NHS which would not be consistent with good security practices. Do I trust companies who develop systems and staff in the NHS (just an example) to look after my data properly - I dont know, what are their security standards, how well do they train their staff including temps, do they have an Information Security manager in their management team?
This area is complex and worth of proper dialogue and policy and I fear this highlights how far we have we have to go.
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Community Member 7 years agoAccept that in current society there will be data sharing but want to see this kept to a minimum.
Like others here, I certainly do not trust commercial entities to protect data and to use it in the ways originally requested. If security...
Show full commentAccept that in current society there will be data sharing but want to see this kept to a minimum.
Like others here, I certainly do not trust commercial entities to protect data and to use it in the ways originally requested. If security and ethics were a guaranteed then there would be no issue. Sadly that is not the position we are in today.
Much of what is required is not as directly 'personal' as it seems. The weight of my wheelie bin is not an issue. My usage of NHS service is. Too often these types of data are conflated as 'personal' and we need, as the survey tried, to be more definitive and prescriptive about categorisation.
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Community Member 7 years agoIn theory, I might be in favour of some data-sharing, but I was very disturbed by some examples given in the survey
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Community Member 7 years agoI'm not able to discuss it further because you keep blocking my comments without an explanation.
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Community Member 7 years agoThe proposals about park benches, counting footfall, locations on phones and recognising faces caused me considerable concern. If I use the proper terminology, your website blocks me. If I'm not even allowed to mention these things, perhaps...
Show full commentThe proposals about park benches, counting footfall, locations on phones and recognising faces caused me considerable concern. If I use the proper terminology, your website blocks me. If I'm not even allowed to mention these things, perhaps it's not a great idea to carry them out?
Show less of commentnefitz
Community Member 7 years agoNo to both questions unless the issue of who owns the data and who holds the data is scrupulously addressed. The sharing of citizen's data with the NHS runs a very real risk because the NHS has already been found to have released private...
Show full commentNo to both questions unless the issue of who owns the data and who holds the data is scrupulously addressed. The sharing of citizen's data with the NHS runs a very real risk because the NHS has already been found to have released private data of individual patients to private sector research and Pharma corps without permission - its record on data ownership and protection is therefore already very poor . More generally UK councils contracting with and sharing data with private sector companies on major transport, environmental and similar projects have found the latter now own the data and they cannot get back ownership and control.
Show less of commentNicholas Hampson
Community Member 7 years agoNo. I don't want data about my health to be shared with any body or person; the risk of misuse is too great. And even if I would, for example trust the present Mayor with some data, he can always be replaced by a thoroughly untrustworthy...
Show full commentNo. I don't want data about my health to be shared with any body or person; the risk of misuse is too great. And even if I would, for example trust the present Mayor with some data, he can always be replaced by a thoroughly untrustworthy office holder
Show less of commentPaul263
Community Member 7 years agoAbsolutely not. It is just another step towards the Orwellian world that our servants, who think they are our masters, wish to impose.
twilp
Community Member 7 years agoSorry no trust in, pretty much, all institutions.
Fred242
Community Member 7 years agoAbsolutely no way! The state has shown that it is neither able to secure personal data not to do what it promises when it comes to not snooping and generally abusing the data it collects. How about the NHS's proposal to sell personal data...
Show full commentAbsolutely no way! The state has shown that it is neither able to secure personal data not to do what it promises when it comes to not snooping and generally abusing the data it collects. How about the NHS's proposal to sell personal data against their promise to keep it secure? Big data and the routine snooping on individuals' 'private' communications and browsing history fundamentally shifts the power balance between the state and the individual and must be resisted. And you suggest we should voluntarily share data with the government? No.
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Community Member 7 years agoThe question is too vague. I share data with services I utilise all the time; however I am aware that I am sharing, I know what it's for and reap the benefits through utilisation of the application.
I would share *some* data if I knew...
Show full commentThe question is too vague. I share data with services I utilise all the time; however I am aware that I am sharing, I know what it's for and reap the benefits through utilisation of the application.
I would share *some* data if I knew what I was getting for in exchange for said information. Improving services is a misnomer used as a catch-all phrase to hoodwink people into relinquishing information for little or no return, whilst said information is sold and bid upon with no share of the profits.
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Community Member 7 years agoI agree that it would be very beneficial in terms of cost and efficiency if key data could be shared by by public sector agencies but unfortunately their ability to implement and maintain effective IT solutions seems to be limited so I...
Show full commentI agree that it would be very beneficial in terms of cost and efficiency if key data could be shared by by public sector agencies but unfortunately their ability to implement and maintain effective IT solutions seems to be limited so I would find subscribing to that approach challenging at the moment. This is such a great pity when many of us freely give data to private sector organisations who shamelessly exploit the information to shape our purchasing decisions to their advantage. Trusting private sector organisations with aggregated data collected by the public sector is an absolute no go for me.
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Community Member 7 years agoI think our information should be securely shared with all government depts, this would improve their overall efficiency and would stop inconsistent information given to different depts. I am all for, a secure central database with all my...
Show full commentI think our information should be securely shared with all government depts, this would improve their overall efficiency and would stop inconsistent information given to different depts. I am all for, a secure central database with all my information, then I only need to change my information once when I move. The NHS would work more effectively if the patients records were on a central database and all the NHS had access to it
Show less of commentMr T A Krishnan
Community Member 7 years agoIts ok as far as I am concerned to share between council and NHS to share. I have my doubts as to this information will always be used constructively or propaganda purposes.
Show full commentIts ok as far as I am concerned to share between council and NHS to share. I have my doubts as to this information will always be used constructively or propaganda purposes.
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