Data sharing

Do you trust local authorities and public services to share data with each other or with the private sector?

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Do you trust local authorities like your council and public services such as the NHS, to share data with each other to improve services?

Do you trust them to share your data with the private sector to meet city challenges, e.g. waste and recycling collection?

Why or why not?

The discussion ran from 13 March 2018 - 14 September 2018

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I Have been doing a lot of work on GDPR and actually think it has the balance right. Much data needed for macro decision making can be anonymised - for example decision makers need to know that 3 people think X rather than Jane Smith and 2...

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I Have been doing a lot of work on GDPR and actually think it has the balance right. Much data needed for macro decision making can be anonymised - for example decision makers need to know that 3 people think X rather than Jane Smith and 2 others think X. Information from our travel cards is used in these ways to evaluate system use.
On a micro level - should tfl pass information about our movements to the police? Yes it feels like big brother but if I was lost and wanted to be found I would be grateful for the police to have the information. I am an honest person and have no fears about being implicated in a crime on the basis of this evidence.
No organisation can make proper decisions without accurate data. I have no problem with publicly collected data being sold in an anonymised form to private business but will always opt out of information being sold for marketing purposes.

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The question is too general, as we have seen from the recent Facebook revelations, firstly we need to know what detail of data is being held and further what detail is proposed to share.

How about putting some effort in rather than asking...

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The question is too general, as we have seen from the recent Facebook revelations, firstly we need to know what detail of data is being held and further what detail is proposed to share.

How about putting some effort in rather than asking simplistic questions that can't elicit a reasoned response.

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I give my data to one firm. If they want to share it, they should ask me and pay me for it if I consent of course. Otherwise I don't wish my date to be used by any other firm.

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I give my data to one firm. If they want to share it, they should ask me and pay me for it if I consent of course. Otherwise I don't wish my date to be used by any other firm.

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We never had a debate about the Orwellian rollout of CCTV 30 odd years ago. In the same way, we seem to have surrendered our personal data without any great demur.
The problem is that the benefits are tangible by way better services, while...

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We never had a debate about the Orwellian rollout of CCTV 30 odd years ago. In the same way, we seem to have surrendered our personal data without any great demur.
The problem is that the benefits are tangible by way better services, while the risks seem more distant.

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Absolutely not! It is generally understood that councils, governments and agencies working on their behalf tend to be quite incompetent to say the least. What an absurd question to begin with!!

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NO.......I do not believe data sharing would necessarily improve services for me. I am not happy trusting more and more organisations with my data and certainly not private sector companies whose main interest is profit - how can I know...

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NO.......I do not believe data sharing would necessarily improve services for me. I am not happy trusting more and more organisations with my data and certainly not private sector companies whose main interest is profit - how can I know how secure and unhackable public or private sector systems are and how incorruptible each and every worker with access to data is going to be.

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It does not matter how “safe” the data is supposed to be, it can still be “hacked”.

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It does not matter how “safe” the data is supposed to be, it can still be “hacked”.

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Health data should not be shared, stuff about transport and retail would benefit the community, as long as banking details etc. were not divulged

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Working in IT as I do, in system quality and security, I see every day how incompetent some organisations are in securing data even within their own organisation. GDPR will go some away to improve that, with increased fines and a wider...

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Working in IT as I do, in system quality and security, I see every day how incompetent some organisations are in securing data even within their own organisation. GDPR will go some away to improve that, with increased fines and a wider range of controls. The fact is however, that tackles issue since they've happened. The safest way to ensure that my data doesn't get lost - I don't agree to its being shared whenever I have the option - sadly, not often enough with government agencies who frequently have exemptions from key legislation.

As for the private sector - I'd rather hand out my ATM card and pin number on the high street. At least that way, I'd know when to expect being fleeced, instead of waiting for the surprise.

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Data should not be shared without express and specific permission.
My view is that all those involved only care about money and would only such information for personal gain and not for the good of the people.

Look at the Facebook /...

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Data should not be shared without express and specific permission.
My view is that all those involved only care about money and would only such information for personal gain and not for the good of the people.

Look at the Facebook / Cambridge Analytica fiasco for example.

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I trust local authorities with my data, the private sector should only ever be allowed to meet city challenges, e.g. waste and recycling collection. Public works should never be undertaken by the private sector, and the private sector...

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I trust local authorities with my data, the private sector should only ever be allowed to meet city challenges, e.g. waste and recycling collection. Public works should never be undertaken by the private sector, and the private sector should never have access to data shared by the public sector!

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Never share information. Public and private companies cannot be trusted. Staff are lacts with the Data Protection and and believe they will never be caught. Only big cases of abuse ever is brought to the publics attention.

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No personal, private information of any kind should ever be shared for any reason by any public agency. So called sensitive data (e.g. post code, date of birth, ethnicity) when used together may identify individuals, and this is exactly...

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No personal, private information of any kind should ever be shared for any reason by any public agency. So called sensitive data (e.g. post code, date of birth, ethnicity) when used together may identify individuals, and this is exactly what private organizations want and use for multiple purposes none of which are in the control or consent of the individual. Therefore, the only way to truly prevent individuals being identified is not to collect, store or share any information in the first place.

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Its the wrong question isnt it?!

It should be, "Are you happy to give councils PERMISSION to share data with each other to improve services and ALSO share data with the private sector?"

Yes (maybe some of it) to the first, NO to the...

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Its the wrong question isnt it?!

It should be, "Are you happy to give councils PERMISSION to share data with each other to improve services and ALSO share data with the private sector?"

Yes (maybe some of it) to the first, NO to the second (because you never know who THEY may share it with)

But then you have to know WHAT data is being shared. WHAT data is held on you.

Together with all the fake news going on, Facebook revelations and misinformation perhaps its better NO data is shared.

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The problem here is the number of Councils that use private contractors for various functions. Also how much is it going to cost to employ the necessary people to write the programmes and collate the data etc

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I do feel that people mostly worry about the inessentials. If you say you do not trust a certain body to hold your data are you against data sharing or are you against insecure practices by those bodies? It's not clear. If you say you...

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I do feel that people mostly worry about the inessentials. If you say you do not trust a certain body to hold your data are you against data sharing or are you against insecure practices by those bodies? It's not clear. If you say you are against anyone having your personal data, do you really mean that you don't want anyone to know the content of your messages, or that you don't want authorities to be able to make informed decisions based on aggregated data they have collected? It's pretty clear people are thinking the former and mising the opportunity to benefit from the latter. Let's approach this topic with much less passion and much more clarity.

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The date may well have gone however all this is reminiscent of George Orwell and 1984, at least then it was just the one government and not every cambridge, zuckerberg and meeja outlet who knew.

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No data sharing. I have zero confidence in these public sector organisations to keep our data safe. The thought of them providing it to the private sector fills me with horror. There is no such thing as data security. Delete as much data as...

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No data sharing. I have zero confidence in these public sector organisations to keep our data safe. The thought of them providing it to the private sector fills me with horror. There is no such thing as data security. Delete as much data as possible. Avoid them collecting it as far as possible. Use cash whenever you can. Do not anto top-up your Oyster card. Etc etc etc........

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I am against personal data being allowed to be supplied to anyone. This includes by the Electoral Roll.
I think it should be law that if any authority or company requests personal data of an individual to any company, then the company that...

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I am against personal data being allowed to be supplied to anyone. This includes by the Electoral Roll.
I think it should be law that if any authority or company requests personal data of an individual to any company, then the company that has this personal data on their client must be legally made to request the authority of the client as to if they wish their personal data to be supplied. This should be the same for any social media and or websites that individuals (clients) use.

I constantly get unsolicited mail for companies (Capital One for example), emails (companies that use LinkedIn for example) and even calls when I have never contacted them or enquired about their services

As I see it this is a breach of the Data Protection Act as Personal Data should be personal for that individual

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Currently I would not trust them. I think given the budgetary constraint on local government there is no hope that they would share data in a way that was compliant with the relevant legislation, which (as the recent Facebook scandal has...

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Currently I would not trust them. I think given the budgetary constraint on local government there is no hope that they would share data in a way that was compliant with the relevant legislation, which (as the recent Facebook scandal has revealed) is completely out of date and inadequate anyway.

I'm not opposed in principle but I'd have to be convinced that there was a proper regulatory framework in place and that it was enforced, and currently we are just a long way from that point.

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I am opposed in principle. If data is held it will eventually leak .........