A Green New Deal

Open

683 Londoners have responded

Bus stop with the Clean Air stickers

Idea generation

Better air conditioning in Northern, Bakerloo and Central Line

Air conditioning needs to improve as the above lines are unbearable during the warm weather that will be arriving soon, and summer is not far away. As lockdown comes nearer to an end, more of us will hopefully be on the tube travelling all over.
With everyone over 21 and in employment and under pension age paying for their travel, funds will rebuild TfL finances to pay for this.

User Image for

Suggested by LeonSamuels


Want to have your say next time?

New here? Join Talk London, City Hall's online community where you can have your say on London's biggest issues.

Join Talk London

Already have an account?

Log into your account
Comments (1)

Avatar for -

TfL has ordered new trains for the Piccadilly Line, the Underground's 2nd oldest fleet dating from 1973, which will have air conditioning. These trains should start to enter service in 2025.

TfL would like to extend the order to include...

Show full comment

TfL has ordered new trains for the Piccadilly Line, the Underground's 2nd oldest fleet dating from 1973, which will have air conditioning. These trains should start to enter service in 2025.

TfL would like to extend the order to include replacement of the Bakerloo Line fleet (dating from 1972) and the Central and Waterloo & City line fleets (dating from 1992/3). This would bring air conditioning to the Central, Waterloo & City and Bakerloo lines as well.

However, TfL is completely reliant on central government funding to extend this order so it is currently in the gift of government to allow TfL to make these investments.

The Northern and Jubilee Line fleets date from 1995/6. It's possible that future plans to increase capacity on the Northern Line would mean some of the current Jubilee Line fleet moving to the Northern Line with a new fleet of trains ordered for the Jubilee Line. Again, such a new fleet would also have air conditioning as standard. However, once again, this plan is completely unfunded and is reliant on central government funding and the upgrade/expansion of Camden Town station before this could happen.

Part of this will also be contingent on the potential demand and certainly the DfT will be reluctant to fund TfL projects if passenger numbers don't quickly return and; unless a clear business case and funding model can be made. If passengers return and revenues increase, then perhaps government could be convinced to invest.

Either way, this would also leave the Northern Line with a 1990s fleet without air conditioning which cannot be retrofitted to these trains. It is therefore likely that air conditioning will only come to the Northern Line once the current 1990s fleet are replaced by new trains. Unfortunately, that may not take place until the 2030s at the earliest.

Show less of comment

Timeline

STAGE: Evidence gathering

Life in lockdown

Happened
-

Londoners have responded 7020 times

Find out more

London's recovery

Happened

Londoners have posted 378 comments

Have a look

London’s recovery from COVID-19 – what you told us so far

Happened
Read more

July 2020: Mission Refinement Stakeholder Workshop

Happened

August 2020: Mission Refinement Stakeholder Survey

Happened

A Green New Deal

Happened
-

Londoners have posted 332 comments

Have a look

August 2020: targeted community conversations

Happened

How your feedback has started to shape London’s road to recovery

Happened
Read our update

Mayor launches £10m Green New Deal fund

Happened
Read more about it
STAGE: Programme design

Stakeholder Workshop - Retrofitting London’s Domestic Housing 

Happened

Stakeholder Workshop - Zero Emission Zones

Happened

January 2021: Stakeholder Workshop - Enhancing Green Spaces and Climate Resilience

Happened

New standards for Low Emissions Zone for heavy vehicles

Happened
Read the press release

Share your ideas to reimagine London

Happened
-

You and other Londoners have shared 166 ideas

Have a look

Business Climate Challenge launched

Happened
Read more about it

Mayor announces ‘retrofit revolution’

Happened
Read the press release

Grow Back Greener grants launched

Happened
Read about the grants

New climate change web page launched

Happened
Take a look

Ultra Low Emission Zone expanded to cover inner London

Happened
Read more about the ULEZ expansion

£7.5m Future Neighbourhoods 2030 programme launched

Happened
Read the press release

Five schools win £10,000 each for Climate Kick-Start projects

Happened
Read the Climate Kick-Start Prize press release

Statement on COP26 agreement from Sadiq Khan as Chair of C40

Happened
Read Sadiq Khan's COP26 statement

Mayor announces plan to reach net zero carbon emissions by 2030

Happened
Read the press release about the Mayor's net zero plans