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A key part of the Mayor’s strategy to address London’s housing crisis is to increase the number of genuinely affordable homes in London. Genuinely affordable homes include homes at social rent levels, as well as intermediate homes for Londoners who are unlikely to access homes at social rent levels, but may struggle to afford private rents or buy a home.  

Such schemes are typically aimed at working-age Londoners. The main types of intermediate homes supported by the Mayor are shared ownership homes and London Living Rent. The amount of funding available and the type of housing it can be used for in London is restricted by central government.

City Hall is keen to understand what Londoners think of intermediate housing, to help shape the Mayor’s policies in this area. 

What role could intermediate housing play to tackle London’s housing crisis? What can be done to improve the experiences of those Londoners living in intermediate housing?  How important is it for information to be published on how intermediate housing is allocated, and who gets prioritised?  

Tell us in our discussion below. 

The discussion ran from 04 August 2020 - 17 December 2020

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I bought a shared onwership flat because being single, even on an average for London salary, I wasn't able to afford even the cheapest, nastiest flat available in the area (Tottenham). Now I am facing the risk of being stuck in a flat with...

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I bought a shared onwership flat because being single, even on an average for London salary, I wasn't able to afford even the cheapest, nastiest flat available in the area (Tottenham). Now I am facing the risk of being stuck in a flat with cladding which might prevent me from remortgaging or buying more shares. Notting Hill Genesis who are the housing association won't get to testing cladding in my block for the next two years because it's not a priority but at the same time the flat was already valued at zero because banks are not required to follow the law and can introduce a blanket ban on cladding regardless of whether the indibidual building actually is required by law to have the cladding certificate (theoretically mine doesn't yet because it's below 6 storeys but the bank valued it at £0 anyway). So - I might be stuck without any clear indication of timescales. Moral of the story - feel trapped yet not able to do anything. Beware shared ownership.  

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I feel really bad for you being in that situation, but I don't think it is specific to shared ownership. If you had a regular (i.e. private sale) flat in a block with questionable cladding the situation would be the same - low or £0 value...

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I feel really bad for you being in that situation, but I don't think it is specific to shared ownership. If you had a regular (i.e. private sale) flat in a block with questionable cladding the situation would be the same - low or £0 value and unable to sell or remortgage until the cladding is tested and found to be safe, or replaced. Not a good situation to be in, but not due to the tenure.

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I have housing problems that cannot be addressed by intermediate housing, I seem to have "slipped through the net" & surely can't be alone in this. I am 48 & have complex chronic health conditions which mean that I cannot work & hence am on...

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I have housing problems that cannot be addressed by intermediate housing, I seem to have "slipped through the net" & surely can't be alone in this. I am 48 & have complex chronic health conditions which mean that I cannot work & hence am on benefits, I never had any children, in 1994 I joined the Council's housing register & was removed against my will in 2011 having never been made an offer of accommodation, I live in a private rented flat & my landlord is one of the small minority of landlords that accepts tenants on Housing Benefit, this flat is in need of a lot of refurbishment/modernisation which the landlord won't do - it's no use saying confront him over this as I am a vulnerable person & hence unable to do that - plus he may not be able to afford it anyway, the Council are paying my rent through Housing Benefit & could save themselves a lot of money by allocating me one of their own properties as the rent would be somewhere in the region of £70pw less; due to my age & the fact that I'm unwell I need somewhere secure to live & private renting is not secure - what on earth would happen to me if say the landlord wanted to sell this flat?

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Key workers are important but, with the growth in self-employment and casualised industries and the insecurity which comes with it, this is not the only priority. Efforts should be made to ensure anti-social behaviour is not a problem in...

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Key workers are important but, with the growth in self-employment and casualised industries and the insecurity which comes with it, this is not the only priority. Efforts should be made to ensure anti-social behaviour is not a problem in intermediate or social housing.

Average earnings should be treated carefully as a measure of affordability because very high salaries can distort this and still make housing above social rented unaffordable to those who need it.

And the right to buy needs looking at in terms of what it would actually cost to buy, not discounted, at public expense, without replacing enough social housing. Perhaps more along the lines of what the rent would buy over time, until it's paid for. Then the issue of how it would be replaced and how a lot of these properties are just used to charge others much higher private rents.

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I'm not sure that intermediate housing solves at all the housing problem. Shared Ownership, for example, ends up being more expensive and difficult to afford than buying outright and paying only a mortgage when you add up the service...

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I'm not sure that intermediate housing solves at all the housing problem. Shared Ownership, for example, ends up being more expensive and difficult to afford than buying outright and paying only a mortgage when you add up the service charges and increases in rent (which are based on market hikes) and your ground rent and taxes. All to put the money in someone else's pockets, instead of your own. The only thing it sorts out is to have an assured rent with a smaller deposit than it would cost to buy outright.

I think another type of scheme backed by the government that sorts these issues should be in place instead. In Spain, for decades they've had a "Officially Protected Housing" scheme (Viviendas de Proteccion Oficial). Under this scheme hundreds of thousands of new owners and families have been able to afford outright their homes at a low subsidised cost, while accepting some restrictions on the status of their home in the market. This scheme is aimed to protect family homes, and builds communities over longer periods of time, while still allowing young people and new buyers to afford their home outright on their own, without always having to rely on the Parents' Bank.

THAT, making each individual and family independently able to afford their residence that suits their needs on their own outright, is the goal that any scheme should have. Anything else is not solving the issue.

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with so many office workers deciding to work from home surely the mayor should investigate whether any office blocks could be turned into affordable housing.  This would also help the local shops who have lost income with so many office...

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with so many office workers deciding to work from home surely the mayor should investigate whether any office blocks could be turned into affordable housing.  This would also help the local shops who have lost income with so many office workers working from home.

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In the UK 5% of the people own 90% of the land. The reason for extremely high house prices is land monopoly.

Do a land reform break the monopoly. This the only way to have fair free market and decent house prices.

The UK is the only...

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In the UK 5% of the people own 90% of the land. The reason for extremely high house prices is land monopoly.

Do a land reform break the monopoly. This the only way to have fair free market and decent house prices.

The UK is the only country in Europe that you can't buy land a build your own house. Houses are build by huge developers only which can afford to buy big land parcels and that drives the prices up. Stop the big developers speculations by land reform.

Also in England land registry we have only 65% of the whole country. Seriously in 21st century? Do a fair tax on all land and houses based on size and value. Again the UK is the only country in Europe without property tax. That makes possible Chinese and Russian oligarchs to buy whole buildings in London and keep them empty.

Fair property tax say 0.2% means me leaving in 400k house (80% of people live in houses less then 400k) and paying currently £2400 per year, a tax reduction of 70%! I will pay £800. The guy living in 5m mansion will pay £10 000. That is fair and will stop all BTL and property speculations.

 

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Completely agree

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Completely agree

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I heard that in Denmark anyone wishing to buy property has to have lived in the country for four years previously.  Other countries have similar requirements.  However, the history of landowning in this country is quite different, and much...

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I heard that in Denmark anyone wishing to buy property has to have lived in the country for four years previously.  Other countries have similar requirements.  However, the history of landowning in this country is quite different, and much less equitable.

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Crazy thing is renters are forced to pay huge prices for poor accommodation and yet the mortgage would be less than the rent...access to mortgages isn't fair...renters paying rent all their lives could have bought their home in lieu...

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Crazy thing is renters are forced to pay huge prices for poor accommodation and yet the mortgage would be less than the rent...access to mortgages isn't fair...renters paying rent all their lives could have bought their home in lieu...Housing system biased from start towards wealthy to make more wealth.

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This comment is SPOT ON. In the past ten years I have paid rent which totals more than my landlord paid for the house. If only I could have got a mortgage, I would now own a house...

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This comment is SPOT ON. In the past ten years I have paid rent which totals more than my landlord paid for the house. If only I could have got a mortgage, I would now own a house...

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Exactly. The poorer people buying homes for the well off.

 

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Exactly. The poorer people buying homes for the well off.

 

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Rents that are dictated by the market regardless of the quality of the housing is criminal. One persons 'pension' is another persons wage is  a ponzi scheme..we all fail. Who monitors landlords or the quality of the housing?  The retention...

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Rents that are dictated by the market regardless of the quality of the housing is criminal. One persons 'pension' is another persons wage is  a ponzi scheme..we all fail. Who monitors landlords or the quality of the housing?  The retention of deposits extra fees for 'search'...students  being used as cash cows. The money that they have to pay back over their lifetime is spent over their heads whilst they struggle to support themselves. Housing in London is disasterous for the community at large, dividing generations-we need to rethink it. We punish londoners with  cost.

 

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I agree. But not only Londoners are punished. The whole country suffers the land monopoly and the lack of fair market and fair property tax! BTW I am a conservative in my political views.

In the UK 5% of the people own 90% of the land. The...

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I agree. But not only Londoners are punished. The whole country suffers the land monopoly and the lack of fair market and fair property tax! BTW I am a conservative in my political views.

In the UK 5% of the people own 90% of the land. The reason for extremely high house prices is land monopoly.

Do a land reform break the monopoly. This the only way to have fair free market and decent house prices.

The UK is the only country in Europe that you can't buy land a build your own house. Houses are build by huge developers only which can afford to buy big land parcels and that drives the prices up. Stop the big developers speculations by land reform.

Also in England land registry we have only 65% of the whole country. Seriously in 21st century? Do a fair tax on all land and houses based on size and value. Again the UK is the only country in Europe without property tax. That makes possible Chinese and Russian oligarchs to buy whole buildings in London and keep them empty.

Fair property tax say 0.2% means me leaving in 400k house (80% of people live in houses less then 400k) and paying currently £2400 per year, a tax reduction of 70%! I will pay £800. The guy living in 5m mansion will pay £10 000. That is fair and will stop all BTL and property speculations.

 

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I recently applied for Intermediate Rental for it to be pulled off the system due to demand. This shows there is the need for it, but my concern is that people applied for it to abuse it (I.e. they can afford the private rental, but...

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I recently applied for Intermediate Rental for it to be pulled off the system due to demand. This shows there is the need for it, but my concern is that people applied for it to abuse it (I.e. they can afford the private rental, but Intermediate rental means they have more money in their pocket at the expense of those who genuinely need it).

I think the whole council house situation needs reevaluating, as I've heard of cases where it's being abused (e.g. sub letting, passed to dependents, as "safety nets", as well as "I need to stay in London because my support network is there"). Regarding the last point, I'm more or less being forced out of London to be able to afford a house (rented or mortgaged), away from mine, my wife's, and my kids friends and family, so others can live rent free.

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Severely limit the number of properties someone can own and there will be more available properties. Also require that property owners live in the UK at least half of the year. There are too many rich people sitting on multiple properties...

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Severely limit the number of properties someone can own and there will be more available properties. Also require that property owners live in the UK at least half of the year. There are too many rich people sitting on multiple properties and renting them out for extortionate prices. 

Introduce a minimum size requirement for rented properties, that isn't a glorified hotel room masquerading as a '1 bed flat'. Ban studios. 

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Another SPOT ON comment. STOP buy-to-let mortgages.

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Another SPOT ON comment. STOP buy-to-let mortgages.

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A problem is the number of empty homes in the country and especially London. Could there be better regulation of multiple ownership/buy to let/ foreign owned dwellings? It's ridiculous that in the United Kingdom there are technically enough...

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A problem is the number of empty homes in the country and especially London. Could there be better regulation of multiple ownership/buy to let/ foreign owned dwellings? It's ridiculous that in the United Kingdom there are technically enough homes for everyone and yet our shrinking countryside is being encroached upon continuously by development. I am not suggesting a ban on private ownership, but at least tighten regulations for people who don't live in the city, or even the country, and leave a flat empty for years or whack on obscene rents. 

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You don't need more regulation. We need less. The whole country suffers the land monopoly and the lack of fair market and fair property tax! BTW I am a conservative in my political views.

In the UK 5% of the people own 90% of the land. The...

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You don't need more regulation. We need less. The whole country suffers the land monopoly and the lack of fair market and fair property tax! BTW I am a conservative in my political views.

In the UK 5% of the people own 90% of the land. The main reason for extremely high house prices is land monopoly.

Do a land reform break the monopoly. This the only way to have fair free market and decent house prices.

The UK is the only country in Europe that you can't buy land a build your own house. Houses are build by huge developers only which can afford to buy big land parcels and that drives the prices up. Stop the big developers speculations by land reform.

Also in England land registry we have only 65% of the whole country. Seriously in 21st century? Do a fair tax on all land and houses based on size and value. Again the UK is the only country in Europe without property tax. That makes possible Chinese and Russian oligarchs to buy whole buildings in London and keep them empty.

Fair property tax say 0.2% means me leaving in 400k house (80% of people live in houses less then 400k) and paying currently £2400 per year, a tax reduction of 70%! I will pay £800. The guy living in 5m mansion will pay £10 000. That is fair and will stop all BTL and property speculations.

Only the free fair market and fair taxes can fix that IMHO.

 

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Home ownership shouldn't have to be essential. Other countries (eg, Italy, Spain) have long-term affordable rental contracts of 5-10 years which allow tenants to build a home rather than moving every year and being scared to stick blu tac...

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Home ownership shouldn't have to be essential. Other countries (eg, Italy, Spain) have long-term affordable rental contracts of 5-10 years which allow tenants to build a home rather than moving every year and being scared to stick blu tac to the walls. If we had a tenable rental market that was focused on keeping people in homes rather than making profit, we'd be less obsessed as a nation on buying houses. Real rental solutions would go a long way to making London a place Londoners can actually live.

As an example, I'm moving out of my flat this month and my landlord has taken the opportunity to put the rent up by 13%, an extra £200 per month. Despite the hipsters, Hackney remains one of the most socioeconomically deprived boroughs in London. This kind of rent hike should be illegal because it is 100% for profit and will price out a lot of local people, not just from this property but also surrounding ones that will also increase their rent to match the increasing local average.

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I think the Mayor should focus on London affordable rent products, given the shortage of private rented property, and the cost of providing social housing.

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I think the Mayor should focus on London affordable rent products, given the shortage of private rented property, and the cost of providing social housing.

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I have spent all my working life renting privately as I could never afford to save for a deposit. The rents are so high that I've always had housing benefit to top up  the cost. So basically I and the local authority have been paying a...

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I have spent all my working life renting privately as I could never afford to save for a deposit. The rents are so high that I've always had housing benefit to top up  the cost. So basically I and the local authority have been paying a private landlords mortgage.

I'm keen to be able to pay towards my own mortgage and would love to be in an affordable renting scheme. In my dreams!

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What about people abusing the council flat system, perfectly capable and young people getting flats just because they have friends or relatives in the council when other people have been waiting for decades, spreading their family and...

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What about people abusing the council flat system, perfectly capable and young people getting flats just because they have friends or relatives in the council when other people have been waiting for decades, spreading their family and getting different council flats and then using some as private rented places (many examples of those). It’s easy to advocate for the less advantaged when you’re in a secure position, not so much when you’re in the similar position but without the abusive shortcuts.

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By introducing this limp  subsided housing the mayor looks like he is favoring certain political elements and populating central london with new generations of voters sympethetic to his urban dream . NO CARS , NO HEATING , NO FREE THINKING...

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By introducing this limp  subsided housing the mayor looks like he is favoring certain political elements and populating central london with new generations of voters sympethetic to his urban dream . NO CARS , NO HEATING , NO FREE THINKING . JUST OBEDIENT CITIZANS WHO TAKE THE BUS OR TRAIN . AMAZING HOW ONE MAN CAN TURN A THRIVING CITY INTO A SWAMP 

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 If you come to live in London you must be ready to get in line on any list of housing,the same way as you would have to wait your turn in any other place in the world.It creates a bad negative community spirit when people just turn up from...

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 If you come to live in London you must be ready to get in line on any list of housing,the same way as you would have to wait your turn in any other place in the world.It creates a bad negative community spirit when people just turn up from other places and get housed in front of people who have been waiting for a long time for independence a home can bring them.Lots of London born and bred generations are being outpriced in the housing market and struggle to move on with their lives because of the situation.Young people are becoming depressed because they don't see a future that they can afford because the situation is becoming impossible..When social housing becomes a business for big corporations instead of creating a community that will bring prosperity and creativity,you are losing the battle.London needs a social housing rent that goes across the whole of the city with the same rent that people can actually realistically meet.The epidemic has created a new opportunity to bring all the empty office spaces into play with housing.There is so much wasted property.Rents could be a standard across the whole of London.Mayfair or Hackney Hampstead or Bow.Whats the difference where you are now in London.Its all the same if you have a safe fair rented home that you can live in for a long term,not with a short lease so you are always afraid it will end.Give people some respect and security and you will be rewarded with a thriving economy and environment .Bring London back to a place where we can be proud of again.Dont put anybody first.All men are equal.Take it in turn to allocate.If you are born in London that should be a priority.When building new places,do bear in mind that you are building for people to live in and not rabbit hutches.Respect peoples rights.Remenber green spaces and a social area.Give people a future and some hope.Dont make exchanges so difficult by saying that children need to share.Children grow and need space too.Live in hope

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We have to prioritise getting Londoners in London homes. Houses are bought up by foreign or at home investors and left empty, pricing workers out of their own home city. There should be steep penalties for empty homes, preferably an...

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We have to prioritise getting Londoners in London homes. Houses are bought up by foreign or at home investors and left empty, pricing workers out of their own home city. There should be steep penalties for empty homes, preferably an enormous tax that could help fund affordable housing - that is actually affordable, not that still requires someone make 100k a year to afford rent or a mortgage.

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Exactly! 100% agree

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Exactly! 100% agree

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Well said.

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Intermediate rent needs to be affordable enough so nurses and teachers and others are not forced to be flat sharing at 30yrs  + and enables them to have families and feel secure about their home . Enables them to stay in London so we have...

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Intermediate rent needs to be affordable enough so nurses and teachers and others are not forced to be flat sharing at 30yrs  + and enables them to have families and feel secure about their home . Enables them to stay in London so we have these essential staff able to live and work near homes not spending their limited income on commuting . Press govt to enact legislation like in countries such as Denmark,  to stop foreign investors buying homes in London they never live in . Really negative impact on market but also the local community . We need a living city ! 

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