London's recovery starts with you
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618 Londoners have responded | 07/08/2020 - 01/10/2020

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Before the COVID-19 outbreak, London suffered from unacceptably high levels of poverty. More than a quarter of Londoners, some 2.5 million people, were living in poverty – higher than any region in the UK. Poverty can have negative impacts throughout a person’s life, including lower life expectancy, poor mental health, and lower educational attainment. Efforts to secure London’s recovery must tackle the pre-existing issues of inequality and poverty as well as the disadvantages highlighted by the COVID-19 crisis. Read more about the context for this mission.
Mission: A robust safety net, a good standard of living and the tools to thrive.
To do this we’ll need to work together, so that:
- The number of Londoners in poverty, destitution or homelessness are minimised and reversed
- Londoners’ disposable incomes are maximised, and housing, energy, travel and food costs reduced
- Londoners able to access a robust safety net and tools to prevent falling into poverty; improved trust and confidence in public services
- There is no return to rough sleeping
Areas of focus might include:
- Increasing Londoners' understanding of rights and entitlements that already exist
- Joint lobbying on national welfare benefits; establishing positive reforms made during the pandemic
- Developing innovative local partnership approaches to tackle this issue
- Making debt, financial and employment advice more accessible
What do you think of this mission? Is there anything critical to London’s recovery missing from this mission? What does this mean for you personally and your community? What actions or interventions would have the most impact? How will we know that we’ve succeeded? Who has a role to play to meet this challenge?
Summary
Thanks everyone for sharing your views and experience in this discussion on a robust safety net. The policy and recovery teams have been thinking about how they can amend these missions to be more specific and time-bound, but still bold, ambitious and realistic.
Part of making these missions more specific involves acknowledging that we can't do everything through the recovery programme. That doesn’t mean that if something isn’t a mission it isn’t important. City Hall and London Councils will continue to work on areas that aren’t missions but are important to recovery.
The recovery team and policy teams have used your feedback to refine this mission to by 2025 at the latest, every Londoner is able to access the support they need to prevent financial hardship.
Here are some proposals for how we might help achieve this mission:
- Work with councils to create a comprehensive local welfare offer in every borough that focusses on preventing hardship
- Develop a single point of access to a range of financial advice (e.g. welfare, debt, housing) and crisis support (e.g. financial support, food) services in London
- Improve access to advice and crisis support services amongst excluded and vulnerable groups by embedding services in community settings, e.g. schools or community food providers
- Establish pan-London and pan-sector strategic funding and delivery partnerships to plug the existing gaps in the provision of crisis support and advice services across London
What other ideas do you have that might help to achieve this mission? And who has a role to play to meet this challenge? What would have the most impact for you?
The discussion ran from 07 August 2020 - 07 November 2020
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Community Member 4 years agoThe homeless/drug issue is a mental health need. There need to be robust plans and resources in place to address this to support he voluntary sector which has suffered greatly in fundraising opportunities during this pandemic.
Show full commentThe homeless/drug issue is a mental health need. There need to be robust plans and resources in place to address this to support he voluntary sector which has suffered greatly in fundraising opportunities during this pandemic.
Show less of commentStarling2020
Community Member 4 years agoTo help with drug adductions & mental illness. We also need local safe places for all people to go, all the many different demographics who will benefit from making and sustaining their connections with each other, more multi use, free of...
Show full commentTo help with drug adductions & mental illness. We also need local safe places for all people to go, all the many different demographics who will benefit from making and sustaining their connections with each other, more multi use, free of charge local community centres (so travel is not required)
Show less of commentReal Londoner
Community Member 4 years agoIn particular the female homeless who are largely invisible and very vulnerable
Show full commentIn particular the female homeless who are largely invisible and very vulnerable
Show less of commentNefertari
Community Member 4 years agoI agree with the 4 points "there is no return to rough sleeping" etc but the areas of focus don't quite fit. Maybe focussing on decent housing, education, training and job opportunities are part of another discussion, but they're vital -...
Show full commentI agree with the 4 points "there is no return to rough sleeping" etc but the areas of focus don't quite fit. Maybe focussing on decent housing, education, training and job opportunities are part of another discussion, but they're vital - they give a person a personal safety net before the need for a community safety net. Government and local services most definitely should be improved,available, easy to understand and access but also seen as a last resort. Develop and encourage personal resilience, pride in the area and themselves and create opportunities for them to improve and grow and then a safety net becomes what its meant to be - it will catch people quickly and efficiently if and when they fall.
Show less of commentAnnAnn
Community Member 4 years agoReally well said Eileen.
I agree with "Developing innovative local partnership approaches" if that entails working with / funding local community centres and other voluntary organisations on outreach that is preventative. E.g. as Eileen...
Show full commentReally well said Eileen.
I agree with "Developing innovative local partnership approaches" if that entails working with / funding local community centres and other voluntary organisations on outreach that is preventative. E.g. as Eileen said, encourage personal resilience, pride in the area and themselves, and opportunities to improve and grow - would cost a lot less than waiting until people require welfare and emergency housing.
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Community Member 4 years agoWe need to learn from the good things that came out of lockdown. For two months it was blissful being able to walk around the town centre (mainly Ilford in my case) without seeing any signs of homelessness, begging, or drug dealing. This...
Show full commentWe need to learn from the good things that came out of lockdown. For two months it was blissful being able to walk around the town centre (mainly Ilford in my case) without seeing any signs of homelessness, begging, or drug dealing. This has all returned. Two incidents. Outside a public convenience, outside which bedding had been laid down, a young woman came out of the toilets and threw a load of rubbish over the park fence before returning to the toilets. My wife was waiting at a bus stop and was approached by a man muttering about drugs before putting his unmasked face right up to hers demanding a pound. She stepped back saying, "Please". The man turned and placed his hands on an elderly lady who hit him with her stick spraying his milkshake over them both. I highlight these incidents as after a few months respite, the return to normality is quite shocking. I realise there is a funding issue and taking the destitute and desperate off the street can be a case of sweeping the problem under the carpet. However, i think we have shown that taking the homeless and low level anti-social behaviour off the street is a realisable dream.
Show less of commentGiacomo
Community Member 4 years agoThere you go! Let’s give them a new development apartment and watch the flowers gro!
Show full commentThere you go! Let’s give them a new development apartment and watch the flowers gro!
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Community Member 4 years agoEnsuring that there is good quality advice free at the point of use with regards to debt management, personal finances and savings is potentially very important given the rise in unemployment including among communities which may have...
Show full commentEnsuring that there is good quality advice free at the point of use with regards to debt management, personal finances and savings is potentially very important given the rise in unemployment including among communities which may have limited experience of unemployment and dealing with sudden, major, change.
Nefertari
Community Member 4 years agoGood points - I agree
Show full commentGood points - I agree
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Community Member 4 years agoThere is an important step that could be made, for the benefit of the less-well-off at the same time as benefiting the environment. That step wold be to make energy consumption the sole determinant of one's bill, rather than the current...
Show full commentThere is an important step that could be made, for the benefit of the less-well-off at the same time as benefiting the environment. That step wold be to make energy consumption the sole determinant of one's bill, rather than the current practice of charging every consumer, even the minor ones, a fee for being connected to the power network, or water for that matter.
Keep the kWh charge low for the modest amount of power that modest users actually use. Then increase the rate above a certain threshhold, so that major users pay more per kWh above the modest amount. Using that method of charging would be helping those on modest incomes, and would call upon the wealthy to pay an increased rate. Even those with substantial incomes would start to reallize that they could save money by diminishing their consumption, which is surely what the City of London wants.
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Community Member 4 years agoWould that work ? Its all about preferences and decisions made not income
Show full commentWould that work ? Its all about preferences and decisions made not income
Show less of commentGiacomo
Community Member 4 years agoOnce again, hit the people doing well, Robin Hood Taxes! Do you think the energy we pay for is not dear enough, Large houses pay more rates, energy and general upkeep, The people who generally own these hi consuming properties, have kids...
Show full commentOnce again, hit the people doing well, Robin Hood Taxes! Do you think the energy we pay for is not dear enough, Large houses pay more rates, energy and general upkeep, The people who generally own these hi consuming properties, have kids, POSs private school fees, maybe uni to contend with. Plus higher tax rate payers,
Robin Hood taxes, Grossly unfair.
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Community Member 4 years agoNice idea but it wouldn't work: the rich would just set up multiple accounts with different suppliers so each one would be cheap.
How about subsidised solar panels for everyone? That way you'd have to only pay for the excess you used.
Show full commentNice idea but it wouldn't work: the rich would just set up multiple accounts with different suppliers so each one would be cheap.
How about subsidised solar panels for everyone? That way you'd have to only pay for the excess you used.
Show less of commentLibertyscott
Community Member 4 years agoPublic debt is expected to be between 102 and 108% of GDP by 2025, it is absolutely cloud cuckoo land to imagine that there is money to spend on additional redistributive programmes when there isn't money to take when the economy is smaller...
Show full commentPublic debt is expected to be between 102 and 108% of GDP by 2025, it is absolutely cloud cuckoo land to imagine that there is money to spend on additional redistributive programmes when there isn't money to take when the economy is smaller than it once was. The UK struggles to pay for its health and education system, old age pensions, law and order and defence, and the welfare system as it stands.
London's biggest structural problem is housing supply, which is primarily due to a mix of unending demand to live in London (and seek housing paid for in part by others) and local authorities constraining growth in supply, in particular through retention of the Green Belt on the scale that it is.
Show less of commentStarling2020
Community Member 4 years agoSuch crises offer multiple opportunities, who knows how things will be changing? Including the demand to live in London! We need new thinking that matches the current, much changed, reality rather than making old assumptions. The apetite...
Show full commentSuch crises offer multiple opportunities, who knows how things will be changing? Including the demand to live in London! We need new thinking that matches the current, much changed, reality rather than making old assumptions. The apetite for change is huge. Change has already happened, additional change that wont require huge additional amounts of money is inevitable. What is most needed is public interest, good will and communication
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Community Member 4 years agoHi Liberty,
In my view it is reductive to suggest funding our vital social fabric is unrealistic. Especially when our government keeps reaching into the taxpayer's pockets for things like 50 million unusable face masks, painting the Union...
Show full commentHi Liberty,
In my view it is reductive to suggest funding our vital social fabric is unrealistic. Especially when our government keeps reaching into the taxpayer's pockets for things like 50 million unusable face masks, painting the Union flag on planes and engaging in expensive PR contracts within their social circles for country-wide publicity campaigns.
My understanding is we should all be involved in suggesting how to use existing resources, such as engaging our charities and using the existing array of empty flats that no one will buy. It is a political issue rather than structural. Our society does not have to be all about money, the rest of the world is leaving us behind in this respect and it is up to people like us to demand more of our government.
Best wishes,
Nora
Show less of commentRoutemaster
Community Member 4 years agoHard to disagree with the stated aims but clearly driven by the politics of envy. not sure what this has to do with Covid and how the mayor is going to tackle the huge loss of office-related income (business rates and small businesses...
Show full commentHard to disagree with the stated aims but clearly driven by the politics of envy. not sure what this has to do with Covid and how the mayor is going to tackle the huge loss of office-related income (business rates and small businesses supported by commuters). No one seems to want to work in Lodnon anymore
Show less of commentGiacomo
Community Member 4 years agoPlease stop banging on about unoccupied flats , houses or apartments, if they are empty they are not abandoned, falling down or un owned, no one has the right to punish developers to handover what they created, these developments pay all...
Show full commentPlease stop banging on about unoccupied flats , houses or apartments, if they are empty they are not abandoned, falling down or un owned, no one has the right to punish developers to handover what they created, these developments pay all local texes just to be there empty or not, People who buy these places have to stump up thousands for maintenance, use of outside spaces, landscaping, maybe gym if there lucky,
so! Ok let’s gather up those in need and put them beside people busting a gut to survive at a higher level.
not gonna work.
Show less of commentPineapple1980
Community Member 4 years agoPersonally I am a fan of a universal basic income which can be topped up through different means such as work, running businesses and volunteering. I also agree that the perception is that Londoners are wealthy has to be tackled. London may...
Show full commentPersonally I am a fan of a universal basic income which can be topped up through different means such as work, running businesses and volunteering. I also agree that the perception is that Londoners are wealthy has to be tackled. London may offer great growth opportunities but it comes also at a great risk for those who chose London to try and better themselves.
I believe the current crisis will make those who arrived last year to London to start living here particularly vulnerable in addition to those who tend to rang highly on these risk list (single parents, older people with little pension income, people with disabilities). Any plan need to ensure that these people are not forgotten and that opportunities are shared equally.
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Community Member 4 years agoI think a Universal Basic Income should be rolled out immediately. The savings it would create from reducing the management of all the other benefits would probably pay for most of it straight away. Universal Credit has been shown not to...
Show full commentI think a Universal Basic Income should be rolled out immediately. The savings it would create from reducing the management of all the other benefits would probably pay for most of it straight away. Universal Credit has been shown not to work and has caused immense problems for many people. What we need is equity - which UBI would bring. Those who don't really need it can donate it to charity or use it to help out their family/friends. It would give peace of mind to those who have nothing - they would be able to afford a home, food, utilities etc. And for those in the middle income bracket it could afford them a chance to reduce their working hours or pay for adult education courses or top up their salaries. If everyone has a home, enough to eat and all the utilities they need, then we can call ourselves a thriving civilisation and a first world country.
Show less of commentGiacomo
Community Member 4 years agoyou cannot share in some elses good opportunities or good fortune unless invited.
Show full commentyou cannot share in some elses good opportunities or good fortune unless invited.
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Community Member 4 years agoI applaud the initiative.
One of the issues I have seen as I travel round the country is the view that Londoners are much better off than they are. They see higher salaries and are envious of the transport system but do not appreciate the...
Show full commentI applaud the initiative.
One of the issues I have seen as I travel round the country is the view that Londoners are much better off than they are. They see higher salaries and are envious of the transport system but do not appreciate the higher costs of housing and food. They have no idea of the impact of noise, smells and pollution on our health or the isolation Londoners have.
Community can be an alien concept for Londoners. Meeting places for community groups disappear or become increasingly expensive. The sense of community that evolved with lockdown is something that needs to be bottled and saved!
My organisation Townswomen's Guilds does stirling work supporting women across the UK, providing education and leisure opportunities, mutual support and fun, but finds it impossible to operate in inner London where I know we could make a difference.
Wouldn't it be marvellous if we could as a city, become a model of equal opportunity and fairness?
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Community Member 4 years agoTotally agree with what you say although your experience of what outsiders think of London is more positive than what I hear. Many I know believe London to be a filthy knife infested hellhole full of no go areas. I have to point out to them...
Show full commentTotally agree with what you say although your experience of what outsiders think of London is more positive than what I hear. Many I know believe London to be a filthy knife infested hellhole full of no go areas. I have to point out to them that London is a very safe city where no one needs to fear being out and about day or night. As for the filthy bit, in terms of the gross amount of litter we seem to tolerate, i can't defend that.
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Community Member 4 years agoYes! Agree completely re holding on and growing the positivity
Show full commentYes! Agree completely re holding on and growing the positivity
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Community Member 4 years agoIn addition to that being suggested, I would like to encourage the continuation of the kindness and willingness to help in a non-discriminatory way by our volunteers. Sometimes those tasked with delivering services get off-hand or...
Show full commentIn addition to that being suggested, I would like to encourage the continuation of the kindness and willingness to help in a non-discriminatory way by our volunteers. Sometimes those tasked with delivering services get off-hand or dismissive.. I am not suggesting it is easy, but perhaps there might be a stated aim towards a more people-based set of services. Perhaps more how, than what.
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Community Member 4 years agoTo tackle this agenda you have to start with affordable housing, preferably within walking distance of a suitable place of work, or large enough to facilitate work from home.
As work patterns change, so will the demand for housing from...
Show full commentTo tackle this agenda you have to start with affordable housing, preferably within walking distance of a suitable place of work, or large enough to facilitate work from home.
As work patterns change, so will the demand for housing from more affluent people, presenting a fresh opportunity to address the housing needs of the least well off.
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Community Member 4 years agoYes, it'd be sensible to have a workable system, in place, to help those suffering 'anti-COVID19' issues, but also poverty, or homelessness .... -But, for those a bit older (=age 75+), should not enforced 'social distance' operate more...
Show full commentYes, it'd be sensible to have a workable system, in place, to help those suffering 'anti-COVID19' issues, but also poverty, or homelessness .... -But, for those a bit older (=age 75+), should not enforced 'social distance' operate more...? -As well as their ready, daytime places to go, could they not also be encouraged to engage in things with more progressive use, for themselves, & their local communities...? As if more of us were engaged in social/community affairs, would that not reinforce more of the potentials of more parts of this important, big city...? (-Not that other similar metropolises, in North-Eastern/-Western parts of the U.K. might not benefit similarly, from similar things...).
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Community Member 4 years agoWith an increasing number of elderly and disabled, more awareness and promotion of carers' rights would be good. People do not always know what support is available to them, or even define themselves as a carer.
Show full commentWith an increasing number of elderly and disabled, more awareness and promotion of carers' rights would be good. People do not always know what support is available to them, or even define themselves as a carer.
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Community Member 4 years agoMost people understand or have access to help in getting benefits (rights and entitlements) and there are numerous charities which help so I'd boost debt management support - especially information about avoiding high-cost debt and loans...
Show full commentMost people understand or have access to help in getting benefits (rights and entitlements) and there are numerous charities which help so I'd boost debt management support - especially information about avoiding high-cost debt and loans as sharks prey on vulnerable people.
Local initiatives are most effective as people can fall through the gaps in national or regional ones.
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Community Member 4 years agoEssential is protection for our Green spaces, the only places for the millions lacking gardens. Well researched evidence proves the vast economic plus multiple value & benefits to local communities and wider society aswell as improvement to...
Show full commentEssential is protection for our Green spaces, the only places for the millions lacking gardens. Well researched evidence proves the vast economic plus multiple value & benefits to local communities and wider society aswell as improvement to air quality. Also businesses within and near to green areas have increased footfall. Our NHS receives vast economic benefit. Your own Transport & Environment & Health Inequalities Strategies are clear on the benefits. The proliferation of tall developments do not approach our housing dearth and cause irreparable damage to green spaces, such as the Canada Water Masterplan, & immense monoliths to capitalism must be curtailed, many are completely out of sync with the neighborhood buildings: 38 floors next to 3 & 6 floors homes!!!
Show less of commentnoraooo
Community Member 4 years agoThis has to go through access to emergency housing. Especially for young Londoners with little or no support network. Life can be unpredictable and in the current environment being destitute can be a downward spiral. Let's create a well...
Show full commentThis has to go through access to emergency housing. Especially for young Londoners with little or no support network. Life can be unpredictable and in the current environment being destitute can be a downward spiral. Let's create a well-advertised, charitable scheme for developers to grant access to allocated empty flats and easy online access for candidates. On a similar note, London needs specific housing protections with serious consequences for landlords who refuse to comply. Let's keep in mind the end of a regular tenancy is the direct cause to the majority of homelessness in our city. There is simply no way we can expand and protect tenant rights and prevent homelessness without limiting the landlord's freedom to increase rent and evict. Most European countries already have these protections in place and enjoy a more stable and balanced access to accommodation. To do this we need a dedicated, well advertised London landlord abuse hotline providing legal advice and access to legal aid. Finally, access to Santander bicycles has to be made affordable, in line with Velib pricing in Paris (i.e. yearly/monthly/weekly subscription fee granting 30 mins of free riding per trip). This is the only way to make London truly cycle-friendly and bring the critical mass out on the streets to push progress forward.
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Community Member 4 years agoJust a comment to say that the one thing that puts me off using the Santander bikes is the 30 minute limit on a ride. I relaise unlimited time could lead to people riding off into the sunset beyond the edge of London. However, and hour per...
Show full commentJust a comment to say that the one thing that puts me off using the Santander bikes is the 30 minute limit on a ride. I relaise unlimited time could lead to people riding off into the sunset beyond the edge of London. However, and hour per uninterrupted ride would surely be more reasonable.
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