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A robust safety net

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Before the COVID-19 outbreak, London suffered from unacceptably high levels of poverty. More than a quarter of Londoners, some 2.5 million people, were living in poverty – higher than any region in the UK. Poverty can have negative impacts throughout a person’s life, including lower life expectancy, poor mental health, and lower educational attainment. Efforts to secure London’s recovery must tackle the pre-existing issues of inequality and poverty as well as the disadvantages highlighted by the COVID-19 crisis. Read more about the context for this mission.
 

Mission: A robust safety net, a good standard of living and the tools to thrive.
 
To do this we’ll need to work together, so that:

  • The number of Londoners in poverty, destitution or homelessness are minimised and reversed  
  • Londoners’ disposable incomes are maximised, and housing, energy, travel and food costs reduced  
  • Londoners able to access a robust safety net and tools to prevent falling into poverty; improved trust and confidence in public services
  • There is no return to rough sleeping  

 
Areas of focus might include:

  • Increasing Londoners' understanding of rights and entitlements that already exist
  • Joint lobbying on national welfare benefits; establishing positive reforms made during the pandemic  
  • Developing innovative local partnership approaches to tackle this issue
  • Making debt, financial and employment advice more accessible

 
What do you think of this mission? Is there anything critical to London’s recovery missing from this mission? What does this mean for you personally and your community?  What actions or interventions would have the most impact? How will we know that we’ve succeeded?  Who has a role to play to meet this challenge?  

Summary

Thanks everyone for sharing your views and experience in this discussion on a robust safety net. The policy and recovery teams have been thinking about how they can amend these missions to be more specific and time-bound, but still bold, ambitious and realistic. 

Part of making these missions more specific involves acknowledging that we can't do everything through the recovery programme. That doesn’t mean that if something isn’t a mission it isn’t important. City Hall and London Councils will continue to work on areas that aren’t missions but are important to recovery.  

The recovery team and policy teams have used your feedback to refine this mission to by 2025 at the latest, every Londoner is able to access the support they need to prevent financial hardship. 

Here are some proposals for how we might help achieve this mission: 

  • Work with councils to create a comprehensive local welfare offer in every borough that focusses on preventing hardship
  • Develop a single point of access to a range of financial advice (e.g. welfare, debt, housing) and crisis support (e.g. financial support, food) services in London 
  • Improve access to advice and crisis support services amongst excluded and vulnerable groups by embedding services in community settings, e.g. schools or community food providers  
  • Establish pan-London and pan-sector strategic funding and delivery partnerships to plug the existing gaps in the provision of crisis support and advice services across London 

What other ideas do you have that might help to achieve this mission?  And who has a role to play to meet this challenge? What would have the most impact for you?  

The discussion ran from 07 August 2020 - 07 November 2020

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What definition of poverty is being used. Those based on relative income are inferior to those based on absolute income. Ensuring that those entitled to benefits get them should already happen. Many would benefit from training in budgeting...

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What definition of poverty is being used. Those based on relative income are inferior to those based on absolute income. Ensuring that those entitled to benefits get them should already happen. Many would benefit from training in budgeting and debt management - is this taught in schools?

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The latest initiative by the government in which planning & building safeguards are to be abandoned threatens to reintroduce the slum housing with which too many of us were familiar in the 1950's/early 60's.

I want City Hall to bring...

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The latest initiative by the government in which planning & building safeguards are to be abandoned threatens to reintroduce the slum housing with which too many of us were familiar in the 1950's/early 60's.

I want City Hall to bring proper, civilised social housing back to the capital so that residents can live in conditions which enhance & enrich their lives. It's no easy task - Sadiq Khan has many forces against him but, there are some battles which have to be fought.

 

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Providing social housing must be a priority, including for homeless peole

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Providing social housing must be a priority, including for homeless peole

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The pandemic has shown us what is possible.  Things we were told previously were impossible or too expensive - e.g. an end to rough sleeping, employment support - became possible overnight.  We must retain this positive approach to...

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The pandemic has shown us what is possible.  Things we were told previously were impossible or too expensive - e.g. an end to rough sleeping, employment support - became possible overnight.  We must retain this positive approach to supporting the poorest in our society.   Affordable housing is a priority for the future and collaborative approaches to building real local communities and empowering people to take an interest and have a voice in society and how London is governed.   We have also seen how extensive child poverty and inequality is, and needs to be addressed.   As does climate change ... again, we have seen that nature can recover without the pollution created by the previous dominance of our economic agenda.

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During the lockdown, the homeless people were housed. Why are they going to be kicked out again into the streets? This is the real problem in London: the silly prices in housing, particularly in rentals. The house market shouldn't exist. To...

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During the lockdown, the homeless people were housed. Why are they going to be kicked out again into the streets? This is the real problem in London: the silly prices in housing, particularly in rentals. The house market shouldn't exist. To live in a decent house (no rats, no damp, no peeling walls, no toxic materials in your walls, I'm not talking a house with garden and all the commodities) is a right, particularly in our consumer societies. How are you going to tackle poverty if lots of people work just to pay their rent? Until councils take hold of their local land, poverty will be around us because an inherent right, to have a roof over your head, is determined by the free market. 

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Exactly. Regulation on rent rates. Landlords tend to ignore requests of more fair rent. Councils should ensure a fair treatment for all tenants, especially during difficult times. London's rent rates are insanely expensive all over the city...

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Exactly. Regulation on rent rates. Landlords tend to ignore requests of more fair rent. Councils should ensure a fair treatment for all tenants, especially during difficult times. London's rent rates are insanely expensive all over the city. Many people cannot afford their own place to live. And frankly, the quality of standards is pretty low. Struggling to pay the rent prevents and affects a good quality of life.

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When Margaret Thatcher started selling off council houses she also repealed the Fair Rent Act; lack of affordable housing is one of the biggest crisis facing Londoners and unless this is addressed poverty will increase.  Much of the housing...

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When Margaret Thatcher started selling off council houses she also repealed the Fair Rent Act; lack of affordable housing is one of the biggest crisis facing Londoners and unless this is addressed poverty will increase.  Much of the housing being built in London is being bought for investment rather than as a home and a lot of it is uninhabited, this needs to stop, London does not need any more luxury housing. 

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When the top 1% control 99% of the wealth what do you expect.  When politicians are controlled by large cooperation what do you expect.  When the system is rigged to take money from the poor and to keep people in debt for the sake of...

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When the top 1% control 99% of the wealth what do you expect.  When politicians are controlled by large cooperation what do you expect.  When the system is rigged to take money from the poor and to keep people in debt for the sake of control what do you expect.  Only when the truth is told will problems be solved and a just life for all will be possible 

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But at the same time you can't stop people working hard and building up their wealth! 

Just make sure that everyone has the opportunity

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But at the same time you can't stop people working hard and building up their wealth! 

Just make sure that everyone has the opportunity

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There has to be increased capacity of fully adequate housing.

Construction standards will NEVER be up to par if those building housing, and other planned consturctions, continue to choose and directly buy their building inspectors.

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There has to be increased capacity of fully adequate housing.

Construction standards will NEVER be up to par if those building housing, and other planned consturctions, continue to choose and directly buy their building inspectors.

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A worthy and excellent mission.  The London Assembly and all the London Boroughs should do more to make things straightforward and 'friendly' for these groups of residents to counterbalance central Government agencies and people that appear...

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A worthy and excellent mission.  The London Assembly and all the London Boroughs should do more to make things straightforward and 'friendly' for these groups of residents to counterbalance central Government agencies and people that appear to go out of their way to make things as difficult and 'unfriendly' as possible.

The London Boroughs have done well dealing with vulnerable residents during the Covid-19 pandemic 'lock-down'; they need to retain this mindset for other groups vulnerable in different ways in the future.

 

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The number of Londoners in poverty, destitution or homelessness are minimised and reversed POVERTY London has areas where affluence is adjacent to poverty. We have many Londoners who are excluded from opportunity because of poverty. This is...

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The number of Londoners in poverty, destitution or homelessness are minimised and reversed POVERTY London has areas where affluence is adjacent to poverty. We have many Londoners who are excluded from opportunity because of poverty. This is institutionally reinforced by poor education, an education system that is stretched to break point managing pupils social problems and not enough time on education. pupils turning up to school hungry. We need a robust process to offer Pupils mentoring, routes into employment, opportunity to shadow jobs/courses to break that vicious cycle of no experience of course/job. Free breakfast club,study club. Poor families to be given food or food vouchers.School can identify and refer families and this can be  managed by voluntary sector without it being prejudicial to pupils. POVERTY Covid has demonstrated that we can use volunteers to distribute food. Partnership with retailers to distribute food. Look to run and support initiative to collect  unwanted or in good state items to those in need eg Smart Works, Suited and Booted. Run courses about budgeting,cooking invite guest chefs. Run a specific course for teens. Destitution is a vicious cycle. Homelessness London has gotten way too expensive. People can't afford to rent/buy where they grew up and this means they lose their support network eg family. Londoners’ disposable incomes are maximised, and housing, energy, travel and food costs reduced  Children MUST travel free no child should pay to go to school. Offer grants to lag lofts and install efficienct boilers.Londoners able to access a robust safety net and tools to develop personal resilience; improved trust and confidence in public services.There is no return to rough sleeping - offer temp rooms in empty accommodation eg office blocks  

 

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I agree about the importance of education, especially early years. We should invest in the state system and make it so good that there is nothing to be gained from sending children to private schools. And the state education should not be a...

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I agree about the importance of education, especially early years. We should invest in the state system and make it so good that there is nothing to be gained from sending children to private schools. And the state education should not be a copy of the current private system, it should be good academically but teach social values as well. I don't like labelling people, but many of the products of private schools especially the men come over as entitled and arrogant.

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It is a viscous circle lockdown removed homeless and others off the streets, now they are returning as things slowly return to the way they were.The homeless charities do a marvelous job in trying to advise, help and house, they should be...

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It is a viscous circle lockdown removed homeless and others off the streets, now they are returning as things slowly return to the way they were.The homeless charities do a marvelous job in trying to advise, help and house, they should be given more money and resources to do this. Unfortuantely the resources are not there unless you increase taxation which will send a up howl from hard working people who are going to have to pay for the governements handouts because of Covid. In my area blocks of flats arise which over burdens the local infrastructure for health, transport and other essential services. London cannot keep expanding and absorbing more and more people. 

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I think it's critical to address the issue of poverty and what is driving this.   There are already many resources available to individuals to freely ask for help in relation to their rights.   Can I ask what additional help we are...

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I think it's critical to address the issue of poverty and what is driving this.   There are already many resources available to individuals to freely ask for help in relation to their rights.   Can I ask what additional help we are proposing and at what cost?

In relation to housing and homelessness in particular, I think the first group of people to be addressed should be key workers. Teachers, nurses, other hospital staff, other school staff, etc., are unable to afford to live any where near where they're working.   They have to suffer long journeys at an ever increasing commuting cost due to no availabilty of affordable housing in a safe location.   I think there should be a specific key worker scheme. 

I also belive the house building needs to slow down and potentially stop, human beings crowded together is a large part of the cause of poor air quality, one new build near me has a report clearly showing that by building more housing in the area the air quality will deteriorate further and people's health will be impacted.   These homes should be occupied only with this health warning front and centre. 

I believe we do need to help people where they need help, but they also need to help themselves.  As pointed out in other comments, simply showing up in London shouldn't entitle you to a home.  We have long waiting lists of long time London residents in need and that should take priority.   

Several people have noted that there is a lot of planning permission already granted with no building, perhaps that should be looked into first. 

 

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I think the world has gone benefit mad. Individuals want autonomy, not a big brother state. Conditioning people to rely on benefits instead of getting off their arses and earning an honest living is simply a manifestation of the communist...

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I think the world has gone benefit mad. Individuals want autonomy, not a big brother state. Conditioning people to rely on benefits instead of getting off their arses and earning an honest living is simply a manifestation of the communist conditioning the left wingers use to bully individuals. We don't all rely on state aid and those that find themselves obliged to from time to time would much rather not. Instead of this incessant drive to get the state to make employment undesirable, why not apply some common sense and encourage individuals to fend for themselves instead of trying to convince them that those at work will look after those that are not. I for one am sick to death of hearing of funding for various minority groups etc. When the majority of us who are trying to get by without handouts are taxed to the hilt and treated like lepers. 

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Many people arrive in the city destitute and in poverty particularly from the EU. It is estimated by homeless charities that at least 50% of the homeless are from Eastern Europe . That is not our fault and takes resources way from the...

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Many people arrive in the city destitute and in poverty particularly from the EU. It is estimated by homeless charities that at least 50% of the homeless are from Eastern Europe . That is not our fault and takes resources way from the genuine homeless who have often suffered financial , social and mental heath issues . This number is only going to increase as word gets around. The courts have made it clear we cannot send them back.  Ironically according to EU date the largest number of homeowners in the EU are now the Eastern European countiies and in particular Romania. The UK is at the bottom. 

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While I wouldn’t push the EU imports, the fairy tale goes like this, there are no free lunches, UK,s streets are not paved with gold, if you arrive here with issues  from within or Europe, you will take them same issues to your grave. This...

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While I wouldn’t push the EU imports, the fairy tale goes like this, there are no free lunches, UK,s streets are not paved with gold, if you arrive here with issues  from within or Europe, you will take them same issues to your grave. This is a Pandemic, not Just London,and there is no vaccine.

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What is your source for those estimates? The most recent CHAIN report that I could find shows within the last year that approx 50% of rough sleepers seen by outreach workers in London are from the UK, c. 30-35% from all of Europe and the...

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What is your source for those estimates? The most recent CHAIN report that I could find shows within the last year that approx 50% of rough sleepers seen by outreach workers in London are from the UK, c. 30-35% from all of Europe and the remainder from the rest of the world. Blaming Eastern Europeans for the failures in our own systems misrepresents the severity of the crisis and is not going to help anyone.

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At the moment the mayor's office seems to insist on swelling the population of London by building more and more flats that are totally unaffordable by people already in the city who are in housing need but intended to attract well-heeled...

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At the moment the mayor's office seems to insist on swelling the population of London by building more and more flats that are totally unaffordable by people already in the city who are in housing need but intended to attract well-heeled incomers to swell the population and increase the load on already stretched infrastructure. What is the logic of encouraging population increase in London and the South East when so much of Britain is underpopulated and underdeveloped?

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Agreed, also all of these houses are being sold on leaseholds which incur monthly or yearly payments to the original owners, making them even more of an expensive burden in the long term. In addition, there are only 1-2 boroughs of London...

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Agreed, also all of these houses are being sold on leaseholds which incur monthly or yearly payments to the original owners, making them even more of an expensive burden in the long term. In addition, there are only 1-2 boroughs of London where the first house buy scheme still applies, as it is capped at a maximum of 300 000. Why is this cap not being increased proportional to the price increases in housing?

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I agree. I live in Southwark where social cleaning is taking place on an industrail scale . First the Heygate and now the Aylesbury which is coming down like a pack of cards and replaced with luxury flats . £8 million was spend on Burgess...

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I agree. I live in Southwark where social cleaning is taking place on an industrail scale . First the Heygate and now the Aylesbury which is coming down like a pack of cards and replaced with luxury flats . £8 million was spend on Burgess Park for these people who now complain about the 'locals ' using it for parties

Do remember that so called 'affordable housing' is for those earning £40,000 - £70,000 which excludes all key workers . We used to have key worker housing associations which have all dropped that practice and have morphed into glorified mega estate agents like Peabody.

There is no logic to all of this because its all about money and the people are bottom of the food chain

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The main problem might be addressed with more affordable housing available for those whose employment enriches us all i.e. nhs, teachers, carers etc. 

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The main problem might be addressed with more affordable housing available for those whose employment enriches us all i.e. nhs, teachers, carers etc. 

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if you put all homeless people in homes, they mostly would want to stay in central London even if the can’t spell Oxford St. regardless of why they became that way you would have Gettos , as a great number of these people cannot be helped...

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if you put all homeless people in homes, they mostly would want to stay in central London even if the can’t spell Oxford St. regardless of why they became that way you would have Gettos , as a great number of these people cannot be helped without Meds and supervision.

who pays for all this free housing at today’s numbers, what about next years figures.

 

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Restoring local govt and bodies such as citizens advice bureaux. Local assemblies with small grants. Communities around schools. Preserving high streets and small businesses. Rate relief. Green economy. 

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Restoring local govt and bodies such as citizens advice bureaux. Local assemblies with small grants. Communities around schools. Preserving high streets and small businesses. Rate relief. Green economy. 

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Echoing some comments already posted, I would add a little more radical action to look into empty flats and housing options and challenge the status quo: understand how permissions are granted to developers in the first place ti knock down...

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Echoing some comments already posted, I would add a little more radical action to look into empty flats and housing options and challenge the status quo: understand how permissions are granted to developers in the first place ti knock down council houses to build expensive condos that don't sell. Shall we look into forcing to host people in needs if a property remains unsold for a long time and until it's sold? There must be a much more concrete corporate responsibilities from the big players in construction and housing but at the same time a little more stringent directions from City of London and councils. It is simply unacceptable to see so many empty offices and flats that no one can afford to buy and rent whilst the number of rough sleepers keep increasing. 

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very near my home a new development was built, lovely apartments , in order to get Perms for the build, 5% of the flats had to be dedicated to social housing, I wouldn’t  like to take pictures of the state of the general areas now...

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very near my home a new development was built, lovely apartments , in order to get Perms for the build, 5% of the flats had to be dedicated to social housing, I wouldn’t  like to take pictures of the state of the general areas now , screaming and shouting, rubbish dumped outside so foxes and rats have  no joined the group, 

Bless you, if you were a developer and your hard work, got compulsory taken away only to devalue the rest, I think we all inc me would be a little peed off!

 

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The homeless issue is a major concern it not only reflects the surrounding area but also contributes to other associated criminal activity in the area. There needs to be be work don in calibration with the voluntary sector who have a lot of...

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The homeless issue is a major concern it not only reflects the surrounding area but also contributes to other associated criminal activity in the area. There needs to be be work don in calibration with the voluntary sector who have a lot of experience in this sector. 

 

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During the lockdown it was fantastic to not see homeless people on the street. Now they no longer have a shelter and they have returned. At the same time, I often pass by empty blocks of flats that no one can afford to buy. The flats above...

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During the lockdown it was fantastic to not see homeless people on the street. Now they no longer have a shelter and they have returned. At the same time, I often pass by empty blocks of flats that no one can afford to buy. The flats above my house are empty, as well as my neighbours'. Why do we even bother build houses if we are anyway going to sleep on the streets next to them? This imbalance makes me feel I am part of an inhumane society, and I feel depressed and alienated by this, as well as stuck and unable to help.

I often think I should offer a homeless person my sofa to crash on, but I worry I would be putting my family's safety at risk in doing so, so I'm stuck waiting for a more organised effort to happen. This gets even more heartbreaking in winter, with homeless people dying in the streets due to the cold.

Let's build a tighter community where we look after the most fragile people in our society first, and we will all feel more purpose and meaning, and have fewer mental health issues to treat.

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Well said.

Are you truly listening, Mayor?

There would be no shortage of Londoners ready to identify these abominations.

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Well said.

Are you truly listening, Mayor?

There would be no shortage of Londoners ready to identify these abominations.

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Really well said Paul.  

I suppose the question is how do we reduce the number of empty buildings?  Is an empty homes tax a potential answer?  All these companies due to downsize their office footprint, and the challenged high streets, is...

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Really well said Paul.  

I suppose the question is how do we reduce the number of empty buildings?  Is an empty homes tax a potential answer?  All these companies due to downsize their office footprint, and the challenged high streets, is only going to create more building stock - does an empty home/building tax create the right incentives for the private sector to create affordable housing?  Or is this something that needs to be done by the mayor's office?

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