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149 Londoners have responded | 28/02/2019 - 28/05/2019

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Did you know there are 3,530 working pubs in London - a 27% reduction since 2001.

The Mayor’s Culture team are currently looking at how Londoners use pubs, and what the future of pubs will look like.

Pubs play a vital role bringing people together in many communities – besides drinking and sport, many are also used as meeting or work spaces, or provide other community services.

What do you think? Have you noticed pub closures in your area? What do you use pubs for and how often do you go?

The discussion ran from 28 February 2019 - 28 May 2019

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Most comments include a reference to how noisy pubs are especially if one wants to eat or talk. Pub design does not include any soft furnishings these days which would absorb ambient noise. Quiet designated space would help as would family...

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Most comments include a reference to how noisy pubs are especially if one wants to eat or talk. Pub design does not include any soft furnishings these days which would absorb ambient noise. Quiet designated space would help as would family rooms for children with a child menu on offer. 

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Yes.  Your point about the lack of soft furnishings is spot on.

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Yes.  Your point about the lack of soft furnishings is spot on.

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I agree about lack of soft furnishings, but no to children - pubs are an adult space. By all means take the kids to a park, restaurant or cafe, not a pub

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I agree about lack of soft furnishings, but no to children - pubs are an adult space. By all means take the kids to a park, restaurant or cafe, not a pub

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There is an old building in Abingdon Road W8, once a pub, that closed several years ago.

It is still there, waiting and unloved. There are too many instances of pubs closing their

doors - and the community suffers. Visitors to London...

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There is an old building in Abingdon Road W8, once a pub, that closed several years ago.

It is still there, waiting and unloved. There are too many instances of pubs closing their

doors - and the community suffers. Visitors to London, from Continental Europe for example,

love our pubs and the friendly atmosphere they create. But we need more "happy hours"

especially when it comes to the pricing of a bottle of wine. I love going to the Scarsdale on

Edwardes Square, but the wine prices are prohibitive and frequent visits are out of the question.

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For me pubs are the lifeblood of local communities, places to meet, debate, discuss, celebrate. Where else is there that even comes close? They are also melting pots, open to all. Without them, communities become more polarised and people...

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For me pubs are the lifeblood of local communities, places to meet, debate, discuss, celebrate. Where else is there that even comes close? They are also melting pots, open to all. Without them, communities become more polarised and people more isolated.

 

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I think pubs are very limited and can be quite excluding. I'm sure they're great if you're a beer drinking middle aged white man. For other groups they are less welcoming. I'm a woman, who doesn't drink and likes good food. There are very...

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I think pubs are very limited and can be quite excluding. I'm sure they're great if you're a beer drinking middle aged white man. For other groups they are less welcoming. I'm a woman, who doesn't drink and likes good food. There are very few pubs that cater well to me. I would always try to persuade friends to go to a restaurant or alternative venue (eg cinema, theatre, museum) to socialise. 

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Another gereralised view...all pubs are the same !!! There's more to do in pubs than drink beer. There's a variety of pubs, not only for the middle aged white man (weird statement) but for women too. Some for music lovers, sports fans, some...

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Another gereralised view...all pubs are the same !!! There's more to do in pubs than drink beer. There's a variety of pubs, not only for the middle aged white man (weird statement) but for women too. Some for music lovers, sports fans, some for a quiet drink, some for people who like competitions. If you don't like them, don't go and let other people enjoy them. Have a look around, pubs cater for a variety of people. The kind of pub people have is often determined by the area you live in. Get on a TFL bus and travel to others if don't like yours.

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I would suggest that if you don't drink, you should find an alternative place to meet people - pubs are for DRINKING!

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I would suggest that if you don't drink, you should find an alternative place to meet people - pubs are for DRINKING!

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Pubs form an essential element of the local scene. Economics make small pubs uneconomic, but large pubs tend to be noisy barns, unless designed otherwise. This discourages quiet conversation as does excessive "music" (of any genre).

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Pubs form an essential element of the local scene. Economics make small pubs uneconomic, but large pubs tend to be noisy barns, unless designed otherwise. This discourages quiet conversation as does excessive "music" (of any genre).

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I would have agreed with you until I visited a friend in Bromley last year. She took three of us on a modest pub crawl of the three pubs visible from her window. All were within fifty yeards of each other, all were small, all full of...

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I would have agreed with you until I visited a friend in Bromley last year. She took three of us on a modest pub crawl of the three pubs visible from her window. All were within fifty yeards of each other, all were small, all full of customers, all had a great atmosphere, none were serving more food than crisps and peanuts. None of them had music though. it was a great evening.

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I agree with the point about loud music.  It's a problem in coffee shops, too.  Not only do you struggle to hold a conversation but you struggle to hear any tv you are watching through your laptop.

Personally, I like to be able to order a...

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I agree with the point about loud music.  It's a problem in coffee shops, too.  Not only do you struggle to hold a conversation but you struggle to hear any tv you are watching through your laptop.

Personally, I like to be able to order a decent meal at the pub.  I usually feel hungry in the evening.  Wine/cider/beer and a packet of crisps don't fill me up.  My local Wetherspoons does a really good cheese salad for £4

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All the pubs around me have become 'gastro pubs' and therefore have become too expensive. Also, continuous music keeps me away. There's practically no-where where you can go for a quiet drink and a chat. I mourn the loss of the old...

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All the pubs around me have become 'gastro pubs' and therefore have become too expensive. Also, continuous music keeps me away. There's practically no-where where you can go for a quiet drink and a chat. I mourn the loss of the old fashioned local though I do understand economic pressures have made it difficult for them to survive.

I live opposite a pub and it is bloody noisy. I can't say it makes me want to go in very often.

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Probably why your house wasn't more expensive.

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Probably why your house wasn't more expensive.

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Closure of pubs benefits no-one except developers. It is the first step in gentrification of an area and ultimately leads to social cleansing.

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Closure of pubs benefits no-one except developers. It is the first step in gentrification of an area and ultimately leads to social cleansing.

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If people go to the pub, it will make money and it will survive.  If people go elsewhere, the pub will close.  Nobody is forcing pubs to close.  It's all about market forces.  There are new places to go, e.g. coffee shops, so the pub...

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If people go to the pub, it will make money and it will survive.  If people go elsewhere, the pub will close.  Nobody is forcing pubs to close.  It's all about market forces.  There are new places to go, e.g. coffee shops, so the pub struggles to compete.

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AlisonPrice - You keep making comments assuming that the playing field is equal when it isn't. The tax burden on pubs is extreme and cheap drinks deals in supermarkets (far more likely to encourage problem drinking) create further...

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AlisonPrice - You keep making comments assuming that the playing field is equal when it isn't. The tax burden on pubs is extreme and cheap drinks deals in supermarkets (far more likely to encourage problem drinking) create further challanges not to mention pressure from developers on a planning system which has been eviscerated over the last 10 years. if you think a starbucks or costa is a decent replacement for a good local pub or could serve the same variety of needs I can't really fathom your logic. 

 

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I love London Pubs but I think the price of beer is way too expensive, which is why Wetherspoons are so popular. They don’t appeal to certain ethnic minorities though, you tend to see the same demographic in most pubs which probably...

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I love London Pubs but I think the price of beer is way too expensive, which is why Wetherspoons are so popular. They don’t appeal to certain ethnic minorities though, you tend to see the same demographic in most pubs which probably accounts for why some pubs are closing down as their customer base has changed over the years. Breweries could create more vegan and low/no alcoholic varieties which might appeal to people of different beliefs and ethnic backgrounds. Pubs have to potential to be great places to meet people from other backgrounds, but that isn’t happening right now and might go some way to account for the lack of mixing between these groups.

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When you go to a bar or restaurant, you are not paying for ingredients (e.g. beer). The main components of cost are rent and labour. Lower rent and labour equals cheaper beer in pubs

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When you go to a bar or restaurant, you are not paying for ingredients (e.g. beer). The main components of cost are rent and labour. Lower rent and labour equals cheaper beer in pubs

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Pubs sell soft drinks. I don't see why non-drinkers can't enjyoy them too. There may be an issue with not feeling welcome or simply not liking beign around drunks, but then again people take their little ones to pubs these days without...

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Pubs sell soft drinks. I don't see why non-drinkers can't enjyoy them too. There may be an issue with not feeling welcome or simply not liking beign around drunks, but then again people take their little ones to pubs these days without issue. I think the problem doesn't lie entirely with the pubs.

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The closure of pubs is a sad thing. They’re great meeting places and a great platform for live music, comedy and theatre. We should all support our local pubs more!

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The closure of pubs is a sad thing. They’re great meeting places and a great platform for live music, comedy and theatre. We should all support our local pubs more!

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It's a market out there.  If the pub does not appeal to the customers, they will go elsewhere.

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It's a market out there.  If the pub does not appeal to the customers, they will go elsewhere.

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Alison, 5 pubs within walking distance of my house have closed in the last 6 years - all were busy, most served food. They closed because the brewery sold the site to developers, or the landlords increased the rent to unsustainable levels...

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Alison, 5 pubs within walking distance of my house have closed in the last 6 years - all were busy, most served food. They closed because the brewery sold the site to developers, or the landlords increased the rent to unsustainable levels. Three of these pubs are now bookies (sorry rather have a pub), one was demolished and a Tesco built on the site, and the last one is standing empty

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I think pubs are incredibly important for London for all kinds of reasons.

Where I live in east London, I would say there are some improvements in the surviving pubs over recent years as the ones that haven't closed have become more...

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I think pubs are incredibly important for London for all kinds of reasons.

Where I live in east London, I would say there are some improvements in the surviving pubs over recent years as the ones that haven't closed have become more popular and have been taken over by quality operators. However with this has come a reduction in the range of different types of pub; while I'm happy with the newer ones, others find them too expensive, noisy or with a different crowd to them. It seems the only cheaper pubs will soon be Wetherspoons and some older / isolated people stop having a place to go and meet people near to them if they don't feel comfortable in the new trendy pub on their doorstep.

As well as going to pubs with friends and to eat or for celebrations etc, I sometimes use them for community meetings and events. However this is not always ideal as there may be people who are put off attending events in pubs for various reasons so it does mean at times other places need to be found. Perhaps if more pubs had separate spaces where people didn't necessarily have to walk through the bar, they would be more accessible for the wider community.

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I agree with you Lucy. Pubs are a part of east end culture. Too many have have been lost or changed for the worst.

What makes a good pub? Good beer, a comfortable and welcoming setting, good food and quiet enough to be able to converse...

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I agree with you Lucy. Pubs are a part of east end culture. Too many have have been lost or changed for the worst.

What makes a good pub? Good beer, a comfortable and welcoming setting, good food and quiet enough to be able to converse with people.

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I agree with all of this. Regarding group meetings, I’m a regular pub-goer and also used to use pubs for group meetings but in our area this has definitely stopped now as it clearly puts a lot of people off attending. There are other venues...

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I agree with all of this. Regarding group meetings, I’m a regular pub-goer and also used to use pubs for group meetings but in our area this has definitely stopped now as it clearly puts a lot of people off attending. There are other venues that can be used but trying to organise for an evening meeting can be difficult and costly for small groups.

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Some of the questions assume the person answering does visit pubs, though it can be made clear later if one does not frequent pubs.  Overall I get bored by the assumption that pubs are the only place to socialise.  They are often noisy and...

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Some of the questions assume the person answering does visit pubs, though it can be made clear later if one does not frequent pubs.  Overall I get bored by the assumption that pubs are the only place to socialise.  They are often noisy and anti-social and I prefer not to be surrounded by alochol, or the people who drink alcohol.

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Well don't go then..pubs have been around alot longer than you.

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Well don't go then..pubs have been around alot longer than you.

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Did you not read the questions?

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Did you not read the questions?

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