London Ambulance Service
What are the main things you expect from London’s Ambulance Service?
The London Assembly Health Committee is currently looking at how Londoners could have more of say in the way that the London Ambulance Service works, what Londoners want from the Ambulance Service in the future and how it can be helped to perform better.
What are the main things you expect from London’s Ambulance Service? What do you think are the main challenges that the Service is facing today? And what do you think the London Ambulance Service could do about the number of alcohol related call outs?
Summary
The London Assembly Health Committee published their report ‘Supporting London’s ambulance service’, which makes recommendations on how best to support the London Ambulance Service. The committee listened to members of the public, representatives of the London Ambulance Service Patients Forum and Talk London.
The recommendations include:
- Develop an access to work programme to help unemployed Londoners get a job within the service.
- Share best practice to encourage workforce diversity and engage more with London’s diverse communities.
- Identify community safety needs and the resource needed to maintain a safe and secure environment.
- Identify gaps in existing provision for falls, mental health, maternity care and end of life care by developing a city-wide response.
The discussion ran from 25 June 2018 - 25 September 2018
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Official Representative 7 years agoThanks everyone for sharing your views in this discussion.
Some of you have mentioned that traffic makes it difficult for ambulances to attend incidents quickly. Is it important to you that there's an ambulance depot nearby to your home? Or is that not so important if response times are still good?
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Community Member 7 years agoSo tell me how the response times can be reliably good if there's no depot near my home? What happens when the roads are closed for the cycle race? What happens when congestion is worse than usual? What happens when too many depots get...
Show full commentSo tell me how the response times can be reliably good if there's no depot near my home? What happens when the roads are closed for the cycle race? What happens when congestion is worse than usual? What happens when too many depots get closed and we're left with too few ambulances? Have you ever heard of fast, reliable journeys by road in London? Even the milkman has to drive round in the middle of the night!
I spent almost 2 hours on the bus from Fulham to Mortlake on Friday. There was a lane closed on Chiswick High Road, so the traffic didn't move.
Show less of commentJo McKillop
Community Member 7 years agoOr we fix the traffic!
1) More tube routes to more places
2) More bus lanes for more of the day
3) Mandatory trench sharing, and an acknowledgement that some utilities are more entitled to urgent digging than others (because there is...
Show full commentOr we fix the traffic!
1) More tube routes to more places
2) More bus lanes for more of the day
3) Mandatory trench sharing, and an acknowledgement that some utilities are more entitled to urgent digging than others (because there is no such thing as a broadband emergency)
4) Abolish level crossings in London
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Community Member 7 years agoIn answer to the comments below who state roadworks and cycle lanes as major factors in ambulance delays - in fact statistics show that it is largely high traffic volumes that create delays, and badly or illegally parked vehicles which...
Show full commentIn answer to the comments below who state roadworks and cycle lanes as major factors in ambulance delays - in fact statistics show that it is largely high traffic volumes that create delays, and badly or illegally parked vehicles which block access and make it difficult for emergency vehicles to reach their destination. Roadworks are a temporary inconvenience - but vehicles should always move to allow access for emergency vehicles, and some drivers are not aware of this.
Show less of commentMany ambulances rely on out-of-date sat nav equipment to get around, especially where the driver is out of their usual area. It has been well publicised that drivers often use their phone apps to access sat navs, as they are more up to date. Ambulances should be fitted with the most recent equipment, both to help save lives and to help drivers reach their destinations.
London has always been a city of change, and always will be. Road layouts change, access changes and whole streets are created or erased. Managing this change through investment is vital - so that the NHS, ambulance crews and support staff have the tools they need to get their jobs done. Acknowledging the value of the paramedics and ambulance drivers who perform this vital job although the odds seem to be stacked against them would be a start.
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Community Member 7 years agoI personally saw an ambulance driving round and round in circles looking for the shop where the paramedic was waiting. What a waste of time! I had to inform the paramedic, who had to walk down the road and flag down the ambulance-driver. ...
Show full commentI personally saw an ambulance driving round and round in circles looking for the shop where the paramedic was waiting. What a waste of time! I had to inform the paramedic, who had to walk down the road and flag down the ambulance-driver.
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Community Member 7 years agoIt always amazes me how many car drivers stop when they hear or see an ambulance (or other emergency vehicle) anywhere behind them, without considering the traffic conditions. In congested London this often slows the progress of the...
Show full commentIt always amazes me how many car drivers stop when they hear or see an ambulance (or other emergency vehicle) anywhere behind them, without considering the traffic conditions. In congested London this often slows the progress of the emergency vehicle or stops it progressing altogether. The highway code and learner training should teach drivers that in congested traffic they need to continue driving until the ambulance is behind them and then swiftly find a place they can pull in sufficiently for the ambulance to pass them.
Show less of commentDandare
Community Member 7 years agoReduce ambulance travel times stop closing hospital A+E departments and reopen closed departments then hospitals will be able to cope and reduce ambulance waiting times at hospitals
Also invest more money in A+E departments
Show full commentReduce ambulance travel times stop closing hospital A+E departments and reopen closed departments then hospitals will be able to cope and reduce ambulance waiting times at hospitals
Also invest more money in A+E departments
Show less of commentAnonymous - account deleted
Community Member 7 years agoExactly! There's a shortage of beds, so why did they reduce them?
Show full commentExactly! There's a shortage of beds, so why did they reduce them?
Show less of commentsteve2gibbons
Community Member 7 years agoExpectations: getting to a person in distress fast enough to deliver effective first aid and onward transport to treatment as required.
Challenges: road traffic congestion, financial pressure restricting staff levels, held back wages and...
Show full commentExpectations: getting to a person in distress fast enough to deliver effective first aid and onward transport to treatment as required.
Challenges: road traffic congestion, financial pressure restricting staff levels, held back wages and high stress levels leading to high turnover of skilled people, waiting times to hand over patients at destinations, physical and other aggression from the public - sometimes just understandable and sometimes just not. A policy of concentration of treatment at larger hospital units is supposed to improve medical services within those that remain, but increases transport times to reach them. Staff paying for vehicle parking when working unsocial hours.
Show less of commentAMWG
Community Member 7 years agoA London Ambulance Service that is fully resourced and supported. They are already friendly, knowlegeable and provide an excellent service under very trying circumstances. There should be priority lanes in London for emergency vehicles to...
Show full commentA London Ambulance Service that is fully resourced and supported. They are already friendly, knowlegeable and provide an excellent service under very trying circumstances. There should be priority lanes in London for emergency vehicles to help them get through the traffic. Maybe more investment in air ambulances and hospital hopper bus services so cases can be prioritised.
Show less of commentJulia lafene
Community Member 7 years agoI agree with most of the comments below: the service does a great job but their time is often wasted by non emergency calls.
People who abuse the service should be penalised. A lot of their time is also wasted by drunkenness on Fri and Sat...
Show full commentI agree with most of the comments below: the service does a great job but their time is often wasted by non emergency calls.
People who abuse the service should be penalised. A lot of their time is also wasted by drunkenness on Fri and Sat nights. Again I think these people should be charged for the service or do some community work.
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Community Member 7 years agoIt is shocking that unless someone is a life-threatening condition the wait can take several hours. Severe pain and potentially life threatening conditions, such as an ectopic pregnancy, does not trigger an emergency response. Driving the...
Show full commentIt is shocking that unless someone is a life-threatening condition the wait can take several hours. Severe pain and potentially life threatening conditions, such as an ectopic pregnancy, does not trigger an emergency response. Driving the patient to A&E would have been quicker but the service is not geared up for providing such advice. Upon arrival to hospital, there are queues of ambulances waiting to deposit their patients at A&E - the hospitals do not have the capacity to absorb the casualties delaying ambulance services even further. That needs to be addressed by the NHS and social care services together through strategic investment in social care and preventative services. Perhaps the long term cost of severe cuts to these services must be made more visible to achieve this.
In many cases it is more important to get to a patient quickly. i.e. by motorbike or car, to process an urgency rather than waiting for a fully equipped ambulance van. That would mean much closer integration between emergency services, the NHS 111 system and out of hours GP services.
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Community Member 7 years agoTheir main challenges are that paramedics are over worked, over stressed and under paid. They have to be as knowledgeable as a doctor but do not receive sufficient renumeration. The Ambulance Service and its staff are amazing. I have a few...
Show full commentTheir main challenges are that paramedics are over worked, over stressed and under paid. They have to be as knowledgeable as a doctor but do not receive sufficient renumeration. The Ambulance Service and its staff are amazing. I have a few relatives who have being given life saving treatment when very ill by paramedics. A main challenge for the Service is over use by people who think they need an ambulance but don't.
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Community Member 7 years agoA fast response with availability of resources. Skilled paramedics (who currently do an excellent job facing considerable challenges and difficulties). Paramedics who feel appreciated and are rewarded for the expert job that they do...
Show full commentA fast response with availability of resources. Skilled paramedics (who currently do an excellent job facing considerable challenges and difficulties). Paramedics who feel appreciated and are rewarded for the expert job that they do. Challenges are being under resourced, poorly rewarded with congested roads and people calling on ambulance services for inappropriate reasons overtaxing the dispatch / call centre.
Show less of commentCabanel
Community Member 7 years agoThey provide a great service in a very stressful environment. My only concern ( and it is fairly minor in the whole scheme of things) is that they leave their engines running when they are parked up. I walk along a road behind St Thomas'...
Show full commentThey provide a great service in a very stressful environment. My only concern ( and it is fairly minor in the whole scheme of things) is that they leave their engines running when they are parked up. I walk along a road behind St Thomas' where there may be 10 ambulances parked - presumably waiting for a call. The crew are invariably out of the vehicles chatting etc. and all the engines are running. I want cleaner air!
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Community Member 7 years agoGreat people completely under reasourced. Could do with investment aimed at the paramedics treating the straightforward stuff. Introduce fines for time wasters and custodial sentences for those who attach or obstruct them.
Show full commentGreat people completely under reasourced. Could do with investment aimed at the paramedics treating the straightforward stuff. Introduce fines for time wasters and custodial sentences for those who attach or obstruct them.
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Community Member 7 years agoOn TV, there was a case of a woman who rang 999 because someone STROKED HER DOG and, when she told him not to (BECAUSE HER DOG WOULD BE SCARED), he told her to go back to Poland!!!
Show full commentOn TV, there was a case of a woman who rang 999 because someone STROKED HER DOG and, when she told him not to (BECAUSE HER DOG WOULD BE SCARED), he told her to go back to Poland!!!
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Community Member 7 years agoA very good service dealing well with everything thrown at it. I would like to see GP services stepping up to the plate, moving out of their rubbish surgeries and providing care when people need it not when they are prepared to provide it...
Show full commentA very good service dealing well with everything thrown at it. I would like to see GP services stepping up to the plate, moving out of their rubbish surgeries and providing care when people need it not when they are prepared to provide it. That would remove stress from LAS and A&E. I would also like to see them make brave decisions about not taking people to hospital unless it is absolutely necessary. Too many people end up there when it might be better to see their GP the next day. Give it more money , we can afford it. You never know you might need it one day!
Show less of commentRichard Morse
Community Member 7 years agoHaving had one or two experiences of the ambulance service I have nothing but praise for the superb crews I have encountered. The problems begin when arriving at a hospital which may be very busy and although great care has been excercised...
Show full commentHaving had one or two experiences of the ambulance service I have nothing but praise for the superb crews I have encountered. The problems begin when arriving at a hospital which may be very busy and although great care has been excercised in the Ambulance it then becomes a waiting game before further treatment or diagnosis can begin. An anxious time for the patient. Of course this is not always the case and I have also experience immediate and extreamly thorough treatment on arrival. Of course in some cases I understand the ambulance cannot be released for further duty because there is no accomodation for the patient in the hospital.
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Community Member 7 years agoRound here, the NHS reduced beds and assured us the system would work better as a result. Instead, we now have a shortage of beds. So thanks for that, NHS bosses.
Show full commentRound here, the NHS reduced beds and assured us the system would work better as a result. Instead, we now have a shortage of beds. So thanks for that, NHS bosses.
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Community Member 7 years agoMore funding for more staff & more ambulances plus a decent pay rise, these people do a great job under enormous pressure so need looking after.
Show full commentMore funding for more staff & more ambulances plus a decent pay rise, these people do a great job under enormous pressure so need looking after.
Show less of commentmurnaloo
Community Member 7 years agoExpectations: A service I'm confident in. A service that is professional and qualified. A service that is compassionate.
Challenges: No doubt funding is at the top of the list. Having adequate staffing at all hours and having knowledgeable...
Show full commentExpectations: A service I'm confident in. A service that is professional and qualified. A service that is compassionate.
Challenges: No doubt funding is at the top of the list. Having adequate staffing at all hours and having knowledgeable staff.
The one and only time I called an ambulance, I was told it would be faster to take a taxi. This compounded the anxiety and fear I had about my condition. My husband and I did take a taxi to the hospital, where I was admitted (so my problem was significant). The next time I thought about calling an ambulance, I called Uber instead. Health care should not work this way.
I will note that while I was shocked that the ambulance dispatcher advised taking a taxi, I did appreciate her honesty.
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Community Member 7 years agoHealthcare should be accessible to all, regardless of money. Not everybody has cash for a taxi.
Show full commentHealthcare should be accessible to all, regardless of money. Not everybody has cash for a taxi.
Show less of commentJo McKillop
Community Member 7 years agoSpeedy response, speedy handoff, well-staffed and well-funded.
The answer to all but the first is a competent system of state provision funded by progressive taxation.
We sort out the speedy response by fixing the flipping roads, two...
Show full commentSpeedy response, speedy handoff, well-staffed and well-funded.
The answer to all but the first is a competent system of state provision funded by progressive taxation.
We sort out the speedy response by fixing the flipping roads, two-tiering the right of utilities to dig (because there are gas emergencies, there are water emergencies, but there is no such thing as a broadband emergency!), and fining daily those companies who fail to trench-share for non-emergent works when trench-sharing was a viable choice on a given work.
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Community Member 7 years agoI called 411 last year after hurting myself in a fall, and the telephone service was fast and efficient. The person on the line went through an algorithm to determine the severity and appropriate response, advised me the nearest appropriate...
Show full commentI called 411 last year after hurting myself in a fall, and the telephone service was fast and efficient. The person on the line went through an algorithm to determine the severity and appropriate response, advised me the nearest appropriate hospital, and to go immediately by taxi. That was the right advice, because I could walk unassisted, and it freed up an ambulance for a more serious case. I assume that there are many other instances where an ambulance is not needed.
However, when an ambulance is indicated, then the service must be fast, professional and effective. Only with sufficient qualified human resources, vehicles and equipment can NHS provide such a service. I've read recently about ambulances that were damaged by poor road conditions (eg pot-holes) or by filling up with the wrong fuel, and trust that there is sufficient budget to get these vehicles back on the road ASAP.
I saw a question in an earlier response talking about bus lanes -- I assume that ambulance drivers can automatically use bus lanes, correct?
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Official Representative 7 years agoHi Rbiellik
Thanks for sharing your experience.
We checked with the London Assembly Health Committee and they confirmed that ambulance drivers can use bus lanes.
What sort of incident would you call an ambulance for? When would you dial 999 rather than heading to A&E yourself or seeking care elsewhere?
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Community Member 7 years agoYou called 411? What did they say? Wrong number?
Show full commentYou called 411? What did they say? Wrong number?
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Community Member 7 years agoFrom the point of view of a pedestrian and resident: could we lower the intensity of the sirens (but this holds for police and firetrucks too)? It is stressful, detrimental to sleep, harmful for one's hearing and I don't see the benefits of...
Show full commentFrom the point of view of a pedestrian and resident: could we lower the intensity of the sirens (but this holds for police and firetrucks too)? It is stressful, detrimental to sleep, harmful for one's hearing and I don't see the benefits of it as it seems that other countries have more reasonable sirens and people still give way to the ambulances
Show less of commentRoger Mount
Community Member 7 years agoSpeedy response times. Better/more knowledgeable "triage" by despatchers. Can we cut down on the noise? All emergency services seem determined to use sirens whether needed or not. We must have one of the least relaxing cities in Europe in...
Show full commentSpeedy response times. Better/more knowledgeable "triage" by despatchers. Can we cut down on the noise? All emergency services seem determined to use sirens whether needed or not. We must have one of the least relaxing cities in Europe in that respect. How about charging people for needing ambulances due to injuries caused by self-inflicted excessive drinking? Every one of these unnecessarily puts other peoples lives at risk.
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