Connecting with other Londoners
Where and how do you connect with people from a different background to yourself, if at all?
Social integration is about how we all live together as Londoners.
The discussion ran from 18 March 2018 - 18 June 2018
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Official Representative 7 years agoThanks everyone for sharing your views so far.
Some of you have mentioned particular places where you meet other people. What makes a place good for bringing people together? What is it about that space that makes it appealing to people from different backgrounds, and makes it possible to connect positively?
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Anonymous - account deleted
Community Member 7 years agoA Masjid is a place of worship where one can find and meet different nationalities, speaking different languages.
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DaniR
Community Member 7 years agoI am a first generation immigrant my parents came from Europe, like many others seeking sanctuary from war. They had to change their surnames, adapt to many cultural and social attitudes not always welcoming or easy. They managed to make...
Show full commentI am a first generation immigrant my parents came from Europe, like many others seeking sanctuary from war. They had to change their surnames, adapt to many cultural and social attitudes not always welcoming or easy. They managed to make their lives here post naturalisation and prospered.
Show less of commentHow did they manage? What help were they given beyond British Citizenship ? what incentive to cultural integration were they offered? i dont know. They paid their taxes and worked hard to make a good life for me and my sister.
Good schooling and education access to free medical health, freedom of speech and the right to liberty under the law. A home. A job.... It seems to me that throughout history humans have moved and settled driven by war persecution climate change etc if settlement acceptance integration and all the necessary contributors to a healthy cosmopolitan society are in place then social integration will happen.
Socially engineered strategies like this seem to offer a superficial view of integration. When people feel under threat for whatever reason history has shown us that societies dis integrate. Poverty crime poor housing mental and physical threats to wellbeing all impact on integration and community. People become paranoid envious greedy hostile to outsiders. The worst elements of human nature are unleashed.
The only social integration policies that will work are ones that address these fundemental problems.
Not wasted sticking plaster gestures like this.
Anonymous - account deleted
Community Member 7 years agoDani, this is a good point. Clearly, City Hall is determined to ignored everybody's concerns about numbers coming here in recent years and blame it all on racism. That attitude won't win any votes for Labour. Nor will it do anything to...
Show full commentDani, this is a good point. Clearly, City Hall is determined to ignored everybody's concerns about numbers coming here in recent years and blame it all on racism. That attitude won't win any votes for Labour. Nor will it do anything to reduce frustration and hostility. We are being sneered at and ignored. City Hall has become an anti-Brexit machine determined to overturn the will of the British people.
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Community Member 7 years agoSurest way to make friends: start going to church.
Also, volunteer (e.g. charity shop) and/or take up course(s) at local adult college.
Show full commentSurest way to make friends: start going to church.
Also, volunteer (e.g. charity shop) and/or take up course(s) at local adult college.
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Community Member 7 years agoI expect going to church is more helpful for Christians.
Show full commentI expect going to church is more helpful for Christians.
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Community Member 7 years agoYes, livehere, that is true! We do run a weekly coffee morning for over-60's, though. Many of the regulars don't go to church.
Show full commentYes, livehere, that is true! We do run a weekly coffee morning for over-60's, though. Many of the regulars don't go to church.
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Community Member 7 years agoPeople wanting to connect, try your local pub or your local independent cafe.
(Creepy men out there, a lady sitting on her own is not hoping to marry you.)
chiara59
Community Member 7 years agoJust by being a Londoner and living this wonderful city. Schools, tube, shopping areas, libraries, bars and restaurants, public events....You can't avoid mixing and enjoying the richness that gives you living in such a widely multicultural...
Show full commentJust by being a Londoner and living this wonderful city. Schools, tube, shopping areas, libraries, bars and restaurants, public events....You can't avoid mixing and enjoying the richness that gives you living in such a widely multicultural city. Just stop the absolute nonsense of Brexit. Brexit will destroy London!
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Community Member 7 years agoMr Ahmad, I respect your view. Just to clarify, I am not complaining about people from former colonies. I am referring to EU immigration. I think it is too high.
Anonymous - account deleted
Community Member 7 years agoTalk London, I find your comment about languages slightly odd. Surely it is a problem if our streets are flooded with people from all over the world who are here today and gone tomorrow. Also, we are full. Where I live, the foreign...
Show full commentTalk London, I find your comment about languages slightly odd. Surely it is a problem if our streets are flooded with people from all over the world who are here today and gone tomorrow. Also, we are full. Where I live, the foreign languages are not Arabic among Pakistanis who have been here decades. They are Spanish, French, Polish, German... These are new people. How are the schools supposed to cope?
Show less of commentConcerned1
Community Member 7 years agoWith the new people moving into the luxury apartments making clear they do not want to connect with others on the community, it brings a disastrous change. Another way to connect with other in London is at various events; music, cinema...
Show full commentWith the new people moving into the luxury apartments making clear they do not want to connect with others on the community, it brings a disastrous change. Another way to connect with other in London is at various events; music, cinema, dance and theatre. But I do have to be wary as many make it clear that I am not welcome in that space..so I approach wih caution.
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Community Member 7 years agoIn a word = Sport.
Concerned1
Community Member 7 years agoMy local library was an important way of connecting on a community level until it closed. Even though its been reopened it looks like a storage space and not a community space. Other local venues for connecting have closed and become...
Show full commentMy local library was an important way of connecting on a community level until it closed. Even though its been reopened it looks like a storage space and not a community space. Other local venues for connecting have closed and become luxury apartments. Or opened up for people that do not live in the area who throw up around the space and leave empty bottlea and leaflet. So its bus stops, on buses and tubes. In supermarket and clothing shops. These are fleeting connections though.
Show less of commentVron
Community Member 7 years agoMine too. I used to take my granddaughter to a morning sessions. People fro. All over s the world were there and children all getting on together as well as mothers trying to chat in broken English. It was good. Stupid Narrow Council closed...
Show full commentMine too. I used to take my granddaughter to a morning sessions. People fro. All over s the world were there and children all getting on together as well as mothers trying to chat in broken English. It was good. Stupid Narrow Council closed it.
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Community Member 7 years agoMine too. I used to take my granddaughter to a morning sessions. People fro. All over s the world were there and children all getting on together as well as mothers trying to chat in broken English. It was good. Stupid Narrow Council closed...
Show full commentMine too. I used to take my granddaughter to a morning sessions. People fro. All over s the world were there and children all getting on together as well as mothers trying to chat in broken English. It was good. Stupid Narrow Council closed it.
Show less of commentMillefleurs
Community Member 7 years agoConnect via tweets, tweeters who reply,retweet or like. UK Coffee Week inApril is the ideal opportunity to connect with anyone. Plan your sampling, even the finest brew is cheaper than a cocktail.
Millefleurs
Community Member 7 years agoConnect via tweets and tweeters who give a like, a retweet or reply. Uk Coffee Week is coming up. Plan your sampling. It’s a great leveller because even the finest bean is still cheaper than a cocktail.
Joby Fox
Community Member 7 years agoSocial dancing is one of the best ways to connect with people of different backgrounds in London. You can take classes in Partner dancing like Argentine tango, salsa, swing, ballroom, most classes accept solos and you rotate partners. Then...
Show full commentSocial dancing is one of the best ways to connect with people of different backgrounds in London. You can take classes in Partner dancing like Argentine tango, salsa, swing, ballroom, most classes accept solos and you rotate partners. Then you can go to a social dance and lead or follow any partner. Dance communities are open and welcoming. People of all ages, nationalities and backgrounds just enjoy their shared interest in dance and very rarely does anyone ask me what job I do or where I come from etc.
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Community Member 7 years agoAre you ashamed of what you do or where you come from? People ask those questions to make conversation.
Joby Fox
Community Member 7 years ago@AlisonPrice: no.
Show full comment@AlisonPrice: no.
Show less of commentVron
Community Member 7 years agoI don’t care about a persons colour, creed, sexuality or politics the only thing that matters is that we are on the same wavelength. You cannot like everyone. One thing that really annoys me is politicians or PC people pushing continually...
Show full commentI don’t care about a persons colour, creed, sexuality or politics the only thing that matters is that we are on the same wavelength. You cannot like everyone. One thing that really annoys me is politicians or PC people pushing continually their point of view and expecting everyone to agree with them. I had homosexual friends before it was legalised but I am getting fed up with rainbow, which is light refracted through water, being shoved at me. Jobs should be given on ability, not because you are a women, black, Muslim, Chinese ad infinitum. Teach new and old immigrants about our way of life in England, how to cross the road, say please and thank you and offer seats to older people on the tube, which Eastern Europeans are really good at.
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Community Member 7 years agoLearning to use a litter bin is a MUST for immigrants as well. Not a wall or a gutter and definitely not the pavement!
Anonymous - account deleted
Community Member 7 years agoAlso, they need to learn to move to one side to let others pass, instead of charging right into people. Several times, they have walked BANG into me!
Show full commentAlso, they need to learn to move to one side to let others pass, instead of charging right into people. Several times, they have walked BANG into me!
Show less of commentMichael_Young
Community Member 7 years agoConnect at the bus stop, in a shop, on the train, waiting in line, for coffee, at a music venue, wherever we encounter each other ...