Cleaning up London’s toxic air

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£10 T-Charge launched in central London

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From today, 23 October 2017, a £10 Toxicity Charge ('T-Charge') applies to the older, more polluting vehicles in central London.

The discussion ran from 23 October 2017 - 23 January 2018

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how can anyone argue with improving the air quality in central London,
Mr Khan deserves our thanks for taking the first of many steps to get the clean air we all deserve.

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how can anyone argue with improving the air quality in central London,
Mr Khan deserves our thanks for taking the first of many steps to get the clean air we all deserve.

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Read this the congestion zone has succeeded this T Charge is just another TAX...http://www.politics.co.uk/reference/congestion-charge

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The air in London will be polluted considering it has approx 1/6th of the UK population living in it.

Encourage companies to relocate out of London and the population can spread out. Keep the concentration of jobs and you keep the...

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The air in London will be polluted considering it has approx 1/6th of the UK population living in it.

Encourage companies to relocate out of London and the population can spread out. Keep the concentration of jobs and you keep the pollution.

Also given the Heidelberg Institute research piece (summary http://www.lead.org.au/lanv3n2/lanv3n2-4.html), should we really be encouraging new vehicles over keeping existing ones running? Note the scale change for point 4 in the diagram.

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Lots of nonsense about
"i have no choice but to drive"
"The government told us to buy diesel".
The government also told you not to smoke, drink to excess or eat junk food.The government also told you to exercise, clean up after your dog...

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Lots of nonsense about
"i have no choice but to drive"
"The government told us to buy diesel".
The government also told you not to smoke, drink to excess or eat junk food.The government also told you to exercise, clean up after your dog and pay your taxes

Do people follow that advice closely as well?

No didn't think so

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Tax on cigarettes, booze and soon sugary drinks.

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Tax on cigarettes, booze and soon sugary drinks.

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Given that the "Drink to excess" guidelines are a deliberate LIE, why should we pay attention?

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These conversation are all inevitably going to be self interested. So by way of confession, my vehicle is a Euro6 complaint Diesel - triple filtered exhaust very low emissions, just some nitrogen and water. Very little NOx. So about as good...

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These conversation are all inevitably going to be self interested. So by way of confession, my vehicle is a Euro6 complaint Diesel - triple filtered exhaust very low emissions, just some nitrogen and water. Very little NOx. So about as good as it gets, until I go electric next year. But then... where will the power be generated, and how? Coal power stations? Nuclear? Ideally wind and solar of course - but will it be? Meanwhile will central London be less congested? And how long before all black cabs are electric and buses too - as someone else says here they are the most common and most prolific polluters. And when I am safely back home, there can be no wood burning to keep warm, a good although sad development in my view. So it's down tp the gas powered central heating. How polluting is that? When will that be inspected?

My self interest is to help save the planet. As someone wittily pointed out, there is no planet B. So let's keep going. And put up with these bumps in the road.

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Absolutely one dimensional solution to all problems -TAX TAX and TAX again!!! It does nothing at all for air quality and assumes that by pricing people off the road will clean up the air!!
At the same time it is deeply hypocritical when...

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Absolutely one dimensional solution to all problems -TAX TAX and TAX again!!! It does nothing at all for air quality and assumes that by pricing people off the road will clean up the air!!
At the same time it is deeply hypocritical when arguably the largest contributors of ALL diesel vehicles are TFL buses or local council vehicles including buses, dustcarts and other PSVs!!

The T-charge is all about milking the cash cow motorist even further, giving the London mayor (of whatever political persuasion) more money for his or her 'pet projects!! If there was '100% compliance and thus zero revenue raised from the T-charge' - I would bet my mortgage that the congestion charge general rate would rise to fill the revenue gap!!

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The air in London will be polluted considering it has approx 1/6th of the UK population living in it.

Encourage companies to relocate out of London and the population can spread out. Keep the concentration of jobs and you keep the...

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The air in London will be polluted considering it has approx 1/6th of the UK population living in it.

Encourage companies to relocate out of London and the population can spread out. Keep the concentration of jobs and you keep the pollution.

Also given the Heidelberg Institute research piece (summary http://www.lead.org.au/lanv3n2/lanv3n2-4.html), should we really be encouraging new vehicles over keeping existing ones running? Note the scale change for point 4 in the diagram.

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Yes, let's leave the EU and then all the banks can go elsewhere and take their staff, Deliveroo and Uber with them.

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I am 70 have recently had a heart valve replaced and a Heart Bypass and have lived in the London Borough of Camden 5 minutes walk south of the EUSTON Rd to the right of the south side of Tavistock Square with my wife and daughter for just...

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I am 70 have recently had a heart valve replaced and a Heart Bypass and have lived in the London Borough of Camden 5 minutes walk south of the EUSTON Rd to the right of the south side of Tavistock Square with my wife and daughter for just under 30years.
Tavistock Place east of Upper Woburn Place has become a one way place going east.This has made a great difference to the the air pollution in our area.
I wonder if the measures announced today will make a great difference to the polluted air we will breath today.
Sadly the hedges around the small public gardens and squares south of the Euston Rd. are,as they do each autumn, loosing their leaves.
North of the Euston Rd in the London Borough of Camden there are many many high and low hedges of Privet which is EVERGREEN INDESTRUCTIBLE and RESISTANCE TO POLLUTION.
There are other dense bushes used in such hedges but none used in the London Borough of Camden south of the Euston Rd.
All of this means that the small public gardens and squares south of the Euston Rd. are never free of polluted air throughout the Autumn Winter,Spring and early Summer months.
In fact many Local People south of the Euston Rd. call them "Tourist Hedges" as the leaves on the hedges return went the majority of
Tourists arrive to fill the surrounding Hotels and AirB&B rooms.
Please can we have proper hedges maintained in our area to help us breath less polluted air when we sit or walk about these small public open spaces.
Hopefully you will read and understand my comments.
Thank you so much for all the work and interest you are all showing in air pollution and homes.
All the best,yours aye john Morris
12C Peabody Buildings Herbrand Street WC1N 1JJ

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A good first step. But please can we in the ‘burbs also breathe cleaner air? And evenings and weekends as well?

I agree that the only fair way to solve the problem is for everyone who uses polluting vehicles to pay something towards the...

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A good first step. But please can we in the ‘burbs also breathe cleaner air? And evenings and weekends as well?

I agree that the only fair way to solve the problem is for everyone who uses polluting vehicles to pay something towards the damage they cause - whether car, taxi, van lorry or bus.

And please speed up the process - make the toxicity charge 24/7, double it each year, and bring the cutoff point forward each year. The sooner we breathe clean air the better, as far as I can work out.

Why not make higher standards for passing the MOT? Then we would remove the worst vehicles.

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And those of us with an older car that CANNOT BE REPLACED, because there is no modern vehicle that will do the job?
Yes, I run a Land-Rover

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Greg, someone in the street where I live drives a filthy old diesel Landrover. If yours is anything like that one, the sooner it's scrapped the better. What do you need it for that no modern car can do?

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Thanks everyone for sharing your views so far.

Some of you were wondering about buses and black taxis. The Mayor has plans to transform the bus fleet and get rid of the oldest polluting taxis. You can read more here: https://www.london.gov.uk/what-we-do/environment/pollution-and-air-qual…

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I understand that it would be pointless to include black cabs in the T-Charge as their entire rasion d’etre is to drive in the central zones all day every day. However, the current plans to get the existing fleet of diesel black cabs off...

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I understand that it would be pointless to include black cabs in the T-Charge as their entire rasion d’etre is to drive in the central zones all day every day. However, the current plans to get the existing fleet of diesel black cabs off the road is pathetic. New cabs to be zero emission from 2018? That’s great, but how long is that going to take for all of London's 22000(?) taxis to switch over? Years and years.

There’s a scrappage scheme but I understand it’s voluntary only. So we face the prospect of filthy cabs remaining on the streets until decommission for years to come while we wait for new clean cabs to replace them at a snail’s pace. It’s simply not good enough for one of things Sadiq Khan has a lot of control over.

Just look around you next time you are in zone 1, Black Cabs are absolutely EVERYWHERE, and removing them from the streets would have a significant positive impact air people have to breathe. Just to confirm it's the actual fleet that's the problem, not the Black Cabs per se.

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I've got a 1.3 Hyundia 2003, its all i can afford. Its really good on petrol. I cant afford a newer car. Not too sure what to do.

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Move out of London! You're not wanted there, just like the rest of us poor (average) people. I've just upgraded from a 2002 to a 2010 car, but it will need to last for at least 5 years before I can afford to replace it. It will be banned...

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Move out of London! You're not wanted there, just like the rest of us poor (average) people. I've just upgraded from a 2002 to a 2010 car, but it will need to last for at least 5 years before I can afford to replace it. It will be banned like yours long before I can afford to upgrade again.

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Hi Guyharv

We shared this with our policy team and here's what they said:

"The T-Charge only applies to vehicles driven in the Congestion Charge zone, from 7am to 6pm, Monday to Friday. If you are driving outside these hours, then you are not affected. To check if your your car complies, please use TfL's free online vehicle checker: https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/driving/emissions-surcharge/emissions-surcharg…

The Mayor has submitted a proposal to the Chancellor for a national vehicle scrappage fund to be delivered by the Government. He feels this is essential if converting to cleaner vehicles is to be made affordable for motorists and businesses.The Mayor’s proposal includes a fund of over £500 million for London.

The Mayor is also calling for national incentives to discourage diesel and to accelerate the uptake of alternatively fuelled vehicles."

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According to the BBC, about 50% of harmful particulates in the air are caused by illegal domestic wood burning. I remember when the Clean Air Act came in, and what it was like before. People think the air is polluted today, but they have...

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According to the BBC, about 50% of harmful particulates in the air are caused by illegal domestic wood burning. I remember when the Clean Air Act came in, and what it was like before. People think the air is polluted today, but they have not a clue how bad it was before.
What I don't understand is that it seems legal to sell logs in London, although it is illegal to burn them.
Surely, it should be illegal to sell them as well. We have houses near us, with logs piled up by the porch, clearly showing they are using them to burn. Surely the Environmental Health people should find a means of stopping this. For example, we have scores og Traffic Enforcement motor bikes riding round checking on parking violations, so why can't we get them to use their cameras to report those who are clearly in breach of the Clean Air Acts.

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I can understand the T charge in central London, however it should apply to all the taxis and buses etc, who are the main culprits.
I drive a car which falls in the T charge category, I don't drive it in central London during the operating...

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I can understand the T charge in central London, however it should apply to all the taxis and buses etc, who are the main culprits.
I drive a car which falls in the T charge category, I don't drive it in central London during the operating times (and if I absolutely have to, then I will pay the charge willingly), occasionally I will venture in at an evening to go for dinner or a show, which is fine.

We were encouraged to buy diesel for so many years, now we are being hit with this penalty.

My main worry is if the zone is extended to north/south circular as it seems likely in 2019, then millions of people in the suburbs like me will have cars which are absolutely worthless, who will compensate us? It is fine for some who might be able to scrap their cars for a new, shiny, compliant one, but what about those of us who can not?

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Stop going out to dinner and shows, and save your money untill you can afford to relocate outside of the M25. They're only luxuries that are out of reach of many of us anyway.

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Putney Bridge pollution hotspot is within the North/South Circular belt. There's good public transport round here, except that the roads get so congested you end up sitting on the bus in a traffic jam. I would support measures to stop...

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Putney Bridge pollution hotspot is within the North/South Circular belt. There's good public transport round here, except that the roads get so congested you end up sitting on the bus in a traffic jam. I would support measures to stop people driving in Putney and Fulham. Perhaps it's different in your area.

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It's a disgrace that you do this in the guise of helping pollution when you ignore all other ideas to help pollution stop. Charging the average working man who's taxed enough is another burden to these people...TFL and sadiq khan should be...

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It's a disgrace that you do this in the guise of helping pollution when you ignore all other ideas to help pollution stop. Charging the average working man who's taxed enough is another burden to these people...TFL and sadiq khan should be ashamed of yourselves . Taxing motorbikes too is joke you'd be better encouraging the use of bikes to get people out of cars! If only 10% of drivers switched to motorbikes then pollution would be reduced by 40% over night so why instead do you ignore that fact instead of wanting to charge them £12.50 a day? It's all about revenue isn't it....Disgraceful

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Here's the report from Transport & Mobility Leuven http://www.tmleuven.be/project/motorcyclesandcommuting/20110921_Motorfi… Which encourages the switch to two wheeled vehicles to reduce congestion.

The use of...

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Here's the report from Transport & Mobility Leuven http://www.tmleuven.be/project/motorcyclesandcommuting/20110921_Motorfi… Which encourages the switch to two wheeled vehicles to reduce congestion.

The use of motorcycles for reducing both pollution and congestion has also been noted by the London Assembly Transport committee in https://www.london.gov.uk/sites/default/files/easy_rider_improving_moto…

Seems like it's headlines over common sense as usual.

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Our car is an older one and would probably hit with the £10 toxicity charge. However we hardly drive it (1000 miles a year on average) and do not go into the congestion zone using our car so we are infact very low polluters as I usually...

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Our car is an older one and would probably hit with the £10 toxicity charge. However we hardly drive it (1000 miles a year on average) and do not go into the congestion zone using our car so we are infact very low polluters as I usually cycle to work .
Having said that the vast majority of cars on the road in London are cabs and late at night there are traffic jams (raising pollution) which 99% consist of cabs. Often are also hybrid busses, but most of the time the electric engine does not work.

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Buses are efficient because they are just one engine for a lot of people.

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Don't fall into the £10 extra comments its Not I now have to quit looking for a job and scrap my small van as they increased the low emission zones i now have to pay £120 + every day / part day too get to work i cant earn that .
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Don't fall into the £10 extra comments its Not I now have to quit looking for a job and scrap my small van as they increased the low emission zones i now have to pay £120 + every day / part day too get to work i cant earn that .
The van puts out less emissions than a 3yr old car but mine gets hammered and they can continue to pollute the air its a way to raise tax and hit the poor it has nothing to do with pollution.

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Stuff London. I'm going to turn down all work inside the M25 from now on. My LPG converted car will be charged at £25 a day, while a resident with a supercharged Range Rover will pay just £2. If a customer inside the M25 needs maintenance...

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Stuff London. I'm going to turn down all work inside the M25 from now on. My LPG converted car will be charged at £25 a day, while a resident with a supercharged Range Rover will pay just £2. If a customer inside the M25 needs maintenance on his CCTV with my street lighting van, it costs me £250 a day, but a "showman" (traveller) gets in for nothing. It's a tax on the poor and those who live outside the area. What's the incentive for rich Londoners to pitch in and help deal with the problem? Those who support these charging schemes will regret it as they find it increasing difficulty getting tradespeople and prices soar. The real solution is to help people use public transport and make it affordable. I can't afford £120 for a return train ticket and £20 a day for the station car park when it costs £25 in LPG for the car to get to London and back. I'd hop on a tube on the outskirts of London, except that there are no accessible tube stations with adequate affordable parking - not even on Crossrail. How's that for a missed opportunity? I need to bring tools and equipment in if I'm going to work, and it is no longer worth the hassle. I've got no sympathy for the guy with the £30-50k recreational vehicle, when the average main family car where I live is 8 years old and costs £6000. He's going to use it to pollute the countryside where I live, and not get charged for it!! We can't afford to change our vehicles the way you rich people can, neither can we afford to live in London to access work using public transport.

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I think tradespeople should be exempt and I thought up until now that that was the case.

Yes, it is difficult to get tradespeople round here - most of them live in outer London and the home counties.

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Exactly m8 all tradesmen who live within central London get a discount and as such can price for jobs cheaper as they get a permit at a discounted rate eh and as such will get more jobs than south Londoners or tradesmen coming up from Kent...

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Exactly m8 all tradesmen who live within central London get a discount and as such can price for jobs cheaper as they get a permit at a discounted rate eh and as such will get more jobs than south Londoners or tradesmen coming up from Kent !! It’s gonna cause division and it’s all wrong this Mayor doesn’t care that’s what annoys me

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If the Mayor says he is serious to reduce pollution then he should take immediate action against black cabs that don’t meet the standard.
He seems to be afraid to make that decision!
As an observation I believe that the standard of both...

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If the Mayor says he is serious to reduce pollution then he should take immediate action against black cabs that don’t meet the standard.
He seems to be afraid to make that decision!
As an observation I believe that the standard of both drivers and black cabs has deteriorated.
Drivers tend to spend most of their driving with earpieces in their ears chatting to mates whilst the ride in the older black cabs is uncomfortable.

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Black cabs are competing against Uber, so they get less business and can't charge more. Therefore, they cannot afford to upgrade their vehicles. That is why they object to laws requiring them to clean up their emissions. It's also why...

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Black cabs are competing against Uber, so they get less business and can't charge more. Therefore, they cannot afford to upgrade their vehicles. That is why they object to laws requiring them to clean up their emissions. It's also why they spend so much time idling and waiting.

I believe there should be a premium to be paid on a cab-ride in London, which would pay for extra measures to cut pollution, such as vehicle upgrades. The frail elderly and disabled should receive a subsidy for their travel by taxi, where they are unable to travel by bus, perhaps because the walk to the bus-stop is too long or they cannot propel their own wheelchair on and off the bus. However, able-bodied tourists and clubbers should be incentivised to use public transport.

I support the Mayor's decision to ban Uber and I would like to see minimum pricing for taxi/minicab travel, in order to prevent a race to the bottom.

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Also, earpieces are a cheap form of security for a cab-driver. If they are constantly chatting to mates on earpieces, it's a bit like a bus-driver having a radio: they feel safer beccause there's someone at the other end who will hear...

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Also, earpieces are a cheap form of security for a cab-driver. If they are constantly chatting to mates on earpieces, it's a bit like a bus-driver having a radio: they feel safer beccause there's someone at the other end who will hear instantly if they are in danger.

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Black cabs being told what to do by the current Mayor??

Are you serious...
They have succeeded in the suspension of UBER.... Clean electric vehicles as compared to dirty diesels..

Know as being the most racist people in London, Black...

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Black cabs being told what to do by the current Mayor??

Are you serious...
They have succeeded in the suspension of UBER.... Clean electric vehicles as compared to dirty diesels..

Know as being the most racist people in London, Black cab drivers have Sadiq Khan under their union thumb !

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It's a start.

But in the absence of wider measures to reduce the impact of vehicle usage it will have to do for now.
Ideally it should extend as far as the M25 and, I agree be applicable to all polluting vehicles whether private or...

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It's a start.

But in the absence of wider measures to reduce the impact of vehicle usage it will have to do for now.
Ideally it should extend as far as the M25 and, I agree be applicable to all polluting vehicles whether private or private hire.

Buses as well as those cycling are impeded by excessive traffic, and measures are urgently needed since some people are put off of
using either public transport or cycling, by the sheer volume of traffic (and chronic pollution) and fear from the intermittent stop start nature
of vehicles in London.

Speed enforcemnet is essential with more rational broader areas brought within a 20mph remit.
Keeping through traffic off of side streets (these should be 'Access Only') whcih would assist with curing the problem of rat-running in school areasand residential areas. Giving people relatively pollution-free corridors through which to walk or cycle or get the busand a chance to breathe a little more easily.

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I would guess that at least half a million Londoners (at least) CANNOT CYCLE
( Old, infirm, poor balance, poor eyesight, back or leg injuries etc)
NOW WHAT?

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Most people in London cannot cycle, Greg. The roads are too hostile and there are hardly any cycle tracks. That's part of the reason why air quality is so bad.

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I agree with comments below that:
1. All vehicles, especially black cabs need to play by the same rules. The strict enforcement of current emissions standards and bigger sanctions would make a big difference.
2. We need to push for a tax on...

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I agree with comments below that:
1. All vehicles, especially black cabs need to play by the same rules. The strict enforcement of current emissions standards and bigger sanctions would make a big difference.
2. We need to push for a tax on fuels so that everyone strives to be more efficient.

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I have a hybrid which I have had for 18 months.I would NEVER have another one.Sadiq Khan wants to clean up the air in London.Good idea.The best way to do that is to open up Londons roadways.Get rid of the bus lanes.Get rid of all the...

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I have a hybrid which I have had for 18 months.I would NEVER have another one.Sadiq Khan wants to clean up the air in London.Good idea.The best way to do that is to open up Londons roadways.Get rid of the bus lanes.Get rid of all the stupid pinch points etc and get the traffic flowing again.Whos brilliant idea was it to bring the Embankment to a standstill by restricting the road width and installing a cycle lane ? Sure,the cycle lane is reasonably busy early morning and late afternoon.The rest of the day it's almost empty.While the traffic on the Embankment remains at a virtual standstill all day long chucking out pollutants.Get the traffic moving,and the pollution will decrease.Just caning motorists with more and more taxation is not only stupid,it's cruel to.

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Affordable, small electric cars are on the market and 2018 should be the year when competition among car makers will start.
An help to switch electric, at least in town centre, could be a mobile recharge service (trough an APP???) to charge...

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Affordable, small electric cars are on the market and 2018 should be the year when competition among car makers will start.
An help to switch electric, at least in town centre, could be a mobile recharge service (trough an APP???) to charge a stopped vehicle.
The service, a battery van provided with the relevant choice of Mennekes cables, should provide high speed/high charge modality i.e. type 2 european standard.
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even an iPhone10 battery will not charge a Honda

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even an iPhone10 battery will not charge a Honda

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I think black cabs and private hire should also pay as they are responsible for a lot of the pollution in London. 18% of pollution is down to black cabs!
Many of them are old and they are all Diesel!
https://www.standard.co.uk/news...

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I think black cabs and private hire should also pay as they are responsible for a lot of the pollution in London. 18% of pollution is down to black cabs!
Many of them are old and they are all Diesel!
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/transport/row-erupts-over-black-cab-exe…

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Yes i completely agree with u as i feel black cabs and license pvt hires should also pay another charge as they everywhere and thats all u see as ppl hardly drive in to central unless they need to or they live locally rest its all cabs and...

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Yes i completely agree with u as i feel black cabs and license pvt hires should also pay another charge as they everywhere and thats all u see as ppl hardly drive in to central unless they need to or they live locally rest its all cabs and there pollution or parked with idle engines hoarding parkings everywhere.enough of them how many do we need?!

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Definitely agree


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