London Environment Strategy consultation
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1217 Londoners have responded | 26/07/2017 - 17/11/2017

Currently there are a limited number of air pollution monitors in London. Personal air pollution monitors can help improve accuracy by measuring more places and producing real-time data. It can also mean you as an individual can get better information and ensure that you avoid the most polluted places at the most polluted times.
Would you carry an air quality monitor when walking, cycling or driving? What concerns might you have about this?
The discussion ran from 10 August 2017 - 10 November 2017
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Log into your accountSusannahMiller
Community Member 7 years agoPlease address the levels of particulates on the underground. If London streets are at illegal levels then the evidence in my handkerchief suggests it's even worse on the tube, and as a commuter I have no alternative but to suffer it for...
Show full commentPlease address the levels of particulates on the underground. If London streets are at illegal levels then the evidence in my handkerchief suggests it's even worse on the tube, and as a commuter I have no alternative but to suffer it for hours every day. I fear for the impact it has on us all. I am very surprised this is not included in the Air Quality section of the Environment Strategy.
Also please take action on driver behaviour, in particular speeds of 40-50mph on residential streets (apparently illegal but people feel it's their right to put others at risk of death and life-changing injury, plus it increases emissions) and please ban idling engines, including taxis and buses.
Show less of commentzoltanbiedermann
Community Member 7 years agoI think we need new rules and regulations, but also generally a new culture of driving responsibly. Current "20mph" limits in residential streets are purely symbolic, drivers can rush through at 40mph in sure knowledge that they won't be...
Show full commentI think we need new rules and regulations, but also generally a new culture of driving responsibly. Current "20mph" limits in residential streets are purely symbolic, drivers can rush through at 40mph in sure knowledge that they won't be caught. There is also a way of driving in low gears, constantly maxing out the engine, which pollutes unnecessarily and could easily be changed. Why doesn't the council simply start by appealing to drivers' conscience and setting up traffic signs with the image of children playing and a reminder to drive slowly? It seems to work in other EU countries.
Show less of commentAgon
Community Member 7 years agoNeed to reduce all non electric vehicles and bring back streets for pedestrians and cyclists.
People will find ways of transporting goods etc, as they do in the centre of Dubrovnik.
Cath Hollier
Community Member 7 years agoI live with my husband and 2 kids near to Notting Hill Gate. Pollution is very high and we all often have coughs. One of the major problems is cars parking and leaving their engine running while they make phone calls/eat food/collect kids...
Show full commentI live with my husband and 2 kids near to Notting Hill Gate. Pollution is very high and we all often have coughs. One of the major problems is cars parking and leaving their engine running while they make phone calls/eat food/collect kids etc. I think there should be an instant fine for people running their engines while parked. There should also be signs everywhere telling people to switch their engines off. Everywhere there is signage on parking information and how to pay there should be a reminder to turn your engine off while stationery. I see it ALL the time around where I live (which is overlooking parking meters) and I believe if people stopped doing it it would massively reduce pollution problems. Signage to remind people and the threat of immediate fines would reduce this problem dramatically and I would like to see this implemented. Thank you.
Show less of commentLorena Corneille
Community Member 7 years agoI have major concern about air pollution as we live in a very polluted area. An air monitor should be displayed to the public at relevant locations: bus stops, red routes, schools etc. It is crucial to improve air quality quickly and by...
Show full commentI have major concern about air pollution as we live in a very polluted area. An air monitor should be displayed to the public at relevant locations: bus stops, red routes, schools etc. It is crucial to improve air quality quickly and by whichever means necessary There are experts and politicians out there who should tackle the problem by implementing policies and by liaising more closely with relevant organisations in order to improve the situation NOW - not in the distant future...
Upgrading London buses to use cleaner energy
Show less of commentBanning lorries from entering central London
Extending the congestion charge zone
Planting more trees
building more green walls
Promoting non-polluting means of transportation, such as cycling
Killing the Heathrow expansion project
Implementing the ULEZ by 2019 at the earliest
Anonymous - account deleted
Community Member 7 years agoI'd carry a monitor but don't we already know that London is suffocating thanks to traffic and construction machines. Surely its time to stop the pollution now. Why is the target date 2030?
I'd love to find out how many buses, lorries and...
Show full commentI'd carry a monitor but don't we already know that London is suffocating thanks to traffic and construction machines. Surely its time to stop the pollution now. Why is the target date 2030?
I'd love to find out how many buses, lorries and taxis are fitted with these - http://www.amminex.com/retrofit.aspx - I'm sure the Mayor Of London would like to see them fitted to every diesel vehicle.
Show less of commentFredEveritt
Community Member 7 years agoI find it hard to get excited about air pollution monitors as they are, for the most part, a mitigating response rather than tackling the issue head on. I am very pleased to see the measures being taken to combat air pollution in the city...
Show full commentI find it hard to get excited about air pollution monitors as they are, for the most part, a mitigating response rather than tackling the issue head on. I am very pleased to see the measures being taken to combat air pollution in the city but I couldn't help notice that an important dimension is missing. Namely, a tree-planting strategy that could increase the amount of flora in the city and have a hugely positive effect on wellbeing by both reducing Co2/increasing oxygen levels and also by psychological benefits of being closer to the natural environment. The inspired work of architect Stefano Boeri draws on this principle and certainly gives rise to an image of what our future city could look like. I would be grateful if you could let me know whether this is part of your considerations.
I am also an avid cyclist so any improvements to the cycle network is always welcomed and undoubtedly has a huge impact in improving air quality in London as people swap their cars for two wheels.
Show less of commentTalk London
Official Representative 7 years agoHi FredEveritt
One of the key aims of the draft London Environment Strategy is to make London the first National Park City with a target of making 50 per cent of the city green by 2050. To do this, we want to plant more trees, restore our rivers, create natural play-spaces for children and green routes to encourage walking and cycling.
The first commitment towards this is the Greener City Fund (https://www.london.gov.uk/what-we-do/environment/parks-green-spaces-and…), a grant programme to support boroughs, local communities and environmental organisations to plant more trees and improve our green spaces.
The strategy aims to increase tree canopy cover by ten per cent by 2020.
You can read more about the green infrastructure aims in the strategy document from p123. Or a shorter version on the executive summary on p27 – both can be found on this page: https://www.london.gov.uk/WHAT-WE-DO/environment/environment-publicatio…
Talk London
sarahd3007
Community Member 7 years agoI think the problem is already bigger than this, although I would like to see plans for huge cruise ships coming up the Thames to dock in Greenwich shelved.
Fining people and charging Londoners who need to drive around the city is also...
Show full commentI think the problem is already bigger than this, although I would like to see plans for huge cruise ships coming up the Thames to dock in Greenwich shelved.
Fining people and charging Londoners who need to drive around the city is also unfair, without offering people an alternative solution. Most working people are stretched enough already, they can't afford to replace their battered old diesel. Offering scrapple schemes only helpful if it's a significant amount of money to put towards a newer vehicle.
Encouraging cycling is the best solution, and taking as many cars off the roads as possible. And we should be regulating delivery companies...being able to order 1 portion of fries to your door is doing nothing to help peoples' health OR the environment. It's so wasteful and lazy. Coordinating deliveries using data and algorithms to figure out the best possible times/routes for big lorries to come into the centre seems like the best solution. It would take a huge co-ordinated effort that only regulation would make possible, but imagine if you knew there weren't going to be dozens of lorries on your morning commute. I think loads more people would cycle if it was safer.
Show less of commentnickshanks
Community Member 7 years agoWow, "scrapple" is a lovely word. I'm going to use it :-)
London Helipor…
Community Member 7 years agoEmissions (NOx, Particulates and CO2) from helicopters on take off and landing at The NetJets Heliport in Wandsworth is an increasingly serious concern and seems to be unregulated and unmonitored. Sometimes the air is thick with fumes and...
Show full commentEmissions (NOx, Particulates and CO2) from helicopters on take off and landing at The NetJets Heliport in Wandsworth is an increasingly serious concern and seems to be unregulated and unmonitored. Sometimes the air is thick with fumes and aviation fuel. This along with extreme noise pollution is detrimental to the health and wellbeing of both the local population and of the wider London community.
Show less of comment12,000 helicopter movements are licensed every year. It is open from 0700hrs to 2300hrs 7 days per week. There is no respite.
The heliport may serve a useful purpose for the emergency services but it is questionable how many of the journeys are important enough to justify this level of air and noise pollution. The sightseeing trips in particular fall into this category - Jeopardising the health and wellbeing of the many for the pleasure of the few.
Each flight is linked to road journeys causing further pollution, noise and congestion. This is no longer acceptable as London's public transport system including Cross Rail, is now so efficient and environmentally friendly.
If London is to become a global leader on the environment and is planning to produce a zero carbon city by 2050 with its entire transport system becoming "zero emission", then the London Heliport has to be put under the spotlight and these profound issues addressed as a priority.
I would urge the following actions are considered as an initial measure:
- Stop all flights by helicopters from using the London Heliport that do not comply with strict acoustic and emissions criteria (to be defined)
- Restrict the operating hours of the Heliport to 07.30 to 19.30 Monday to Friday
- Reduce the maximum annual number of permitted helicopter movements
- Stop all flights at weekends other than essential use (the helicopter emergency medical service and police)
- Stop all tourist flights.
- Impose tight restrictions and closely monitor helicopter take-off, landing and idling of engines.
Maxiscot
Community Member 7 years agoThe battersea nine elms development is causing a great increase in lorries and concrete mixers - add to that the roundabout at queens town road creates chaos and tailbacks. Please push wandsworth council to have the lorries and mixers drive...
Show full commentThe battersea nine elms development is causing a great increase in lorries and concrete mixers - add to that the roundabout at queens town road creates chaos and tailbacks. Please push wandsworth council to have the lorries and mixers drive through havelock terrace on their way to nine elms - this amount of traffic is very dangerous for cyclists and the levels of pollution are awful, impacting local residents. There is also a problem with extremely loud motorcycles - I am reliably informed by a biker that a lot of bikes have illegal pipes. The police should be doing stop checks as the noise pollution is awful - it is like an aeroplane taking off.
Show less of commenttigerwoodss
Community Member 7 years agoFor improving air quality a comprehensive approach should be adopted.
Some measures that should be considered below
Show full commentPublic transports:
• Using council/public areas to generate cleaner energy (examples: solar panels on train station...
For improving air quality a comprehensive approach should be adopted.
Some measures that should be considered below
Show less of commentPublic transports:
• Using council/public areas to generate cleaner energy (examples: solar panels on train station ceilings)
• Upgrading all London buses to use cleaner energies
• Upgrade trains/tubes to more efficient version consuming less electricity
Private transport / Traffic:
• Expanding Santander bikes to more areas of London
• Replacing traffic lights by roundabouts to improve cars efficiency
• Create incentives for electric cars (charging points, priority for parking, others)
Companies/work:
• Show importance of working from home to companies
o Improve Internet connections on residential areas
• Develop more office spaces closer to residential areas for medium/small companies to reduce transport needs
Other
• Develop more green walls around London
Anonymous - account deleted
Community Member 7 years agoWhat happened to the aircraft?
Anonymous - account deleted
Community Member 7 years agoWhats the point of 'knowing' how bad the air is in a city that is already highly polluted. If you have to get from A to B, then seeing how bad the air is isn't going to make a difference, is it? Surely we should stop putting the onus on the...
Show full commentWhats the point of 'knowing' how bad the air is in a city that is already highly polluted. If you have to get from A to B, then seeing how bad the air is isn't going to make a difference, is it? Surely we should stop putting the onus on the public to do something about it and get local authorities to start investing in cleaner tech in these areas!? Did you see The Body Shop bus stops? Something like that would be awesome!!
Show less of commentTooting Bird
Community Member 7 years agoReturning the ban on oversized lorries on londons streets would improve quality of life. TFL commissioned transport is a major souce of polution and should be electrified. When looking at polution hotspots there appears to be a bus in...
Show full commentReturning the ban on oversized lorries on londons streets would improve quality of life. TFL commissioned transport is a major souce of polution and should be electrified. When looking at polution hotspots there appears to be a bus in throom when thinking about solutions. Tram? Why was there no option to to tick on using Royal Mail delivery as mandatory for online parcel delivery? They have an established infrastructure for storage and delivery. They also have a unionised workforce and safe operating guidlines.
Show less of commentAnonymous - account deleted
Community Member 7 years agoThe survey on air pollution gives no opportunity to answer "n/a" or "other" on several questions, so forcing an answer which is not appropriate.
The survey also demonstrates that there is STILL no acknowledgement of the very major problem...
Show full commentThe survey on air pollution gives no opportunity to answer "n/a" or "other" on several questions, so forcing an answer which is not appropriate.
The survey also demonstrates that there is STILL no acknowledgement of the very major problem caused by private coach firms and tourist buses that sit with their engines idling for prolonged periods of time. When is TfL, or indeed anyone responsible for traffic operating in central London, going to take this issue seriously?
Show less of commentbob.hills
Community Member 7 years agoI understand that the tube in central London has very high levels of particulates. Please could you consider this for inclusion in the strategy.
PCT
Community Member 7 years agoThe plans for the construction of HS2 train line mean that air quality will be severely degraded, and pollution levels are expected to breach the health limits. HS2 are not particularly concerned, saying to significantly decrease their...
Show full commentThe plans for the construction of HS2 train line mean that air quality will be severely degraded, and pollution levels are expected to breach the health limits. HS2 are not particularly concerned, saying to significantly decrease their proposed pollution might cost more. I am afraid the reply from the Mayor’s office to a letter we sent showed they were not that interested either.
Show less of commentalggomas
Community Member 7 years agoThis and other plans apart from increasing poor air quality is a waste of money.
How much already spent?
Not a sleeper laid .
nickshanks
Community Member 7 years agoThey were probably uninterested because you have been grossly mis-informed, and your argument holds no weight.
Show full commentThe pollution generated during construction is negligible compared to the pollution eliminated from the roads by the operation of...
They were probably uninterested because you have been grossly mis-informed, and your argument holds no weight.
Show less of commentThe pollution generated during construction is negligible compared to the pollution eliminated from the roads by the operation of the line, due to modal switch from road to rail of both freight (onto the existing WCML) and people (onto the new line). It is sad that it is predicted to breech limits but to put this in context, road pollution breeches annual limits days into each new year. Your energies would be better put towards convincing authorities and corporations to switch their vehicles to electric motors.
Talk London
Official Representative 7 years agoThanks everyone for sharing your views.
Would you be interested in using the data other people collect to help you plan your journeys and avoid the most polluted areas?
Talk London
hemmo3
Community Member 7 years agoabsolutely
Anonymous - account deleted
Community Member 7 years agoI have seen an increase in Londoners using wood burning fireplaces and having bonfires in their back gardens.
This has a direct effect on the air quality in surrounding houses.
Please ban residents from doing both of these.
The Cyclist
Community Member 7 years agoGas central heating boilers emit more NO2 than motorbikes TFL ignore this though !! It's all revenue. 20mph speed limits and speed humps cause more pollution too as cars are not getting hot enough to burn off the harmful pollutants... TFL...
Show full commentGas central heating boilers emit more NO2 than motorbikes TFL ignore this though !! It's all revenue. 20mph speed limits and speed humps cause more pollution too as cars are not getting hot enough to burn off the harmful pollutants... TFL know that too...its all about revenue and that's wrong as all this is supposed go ease pollution so how's that gonna happen?
Show less of commentJayGee1243
Community Member 7 years agoIf the Mayor was in the least bit concerned with London air quality, why has he doubled the number of flights and allowed larger airplanes through City Airport ? These planes start spewing their fumes now from 5am every day, over Central...
Show full commentIf the Mayor was in the least bit concerned with London air quality, why has he doubled the number of flights and allowed larger airplanes through City Airport ? These planes start spewing their fumes now from 5am every day, over Central London... I live close to Tower of London and the noise and pollution from them is far in excess of the possible savings of stopping a well maintained petrol driven vehicle into Central London !
At the same time The Mayor is allowing the expansion of Heathrow !
With airports such as Stanstead (East) Luton (North) Heathrow (West) and Gatwick (South) there really is noo need for anyone to fly over London to help both pollution and lessen the risk of a terrorist incident at a London Landmark. (And that includes NEWS and private helicopters too!)
The congestion charge and cycle lanes have all increased pollution in Central London. There used to be a rush hour and outside these times the City could recover.. Now there is congestion 24/7 in the City Centre with less vehicles creating more fumes. The worst offenders are, or course, London Taxis and Tour Buses all pushing out carbon particulates as well as CO2.
Private cars are being purged from London, while Formula1 is able to have a show of racing cars with the entire West End blocked off for the event !!
The events celebrating Formula1 and permission for double the number of flights is the typical hypocrisy expected from The Mayor.. No doubt these are revenue generators, unlike, of course, small businesses and the ability to buy goods from shops and take them away in the boot of your car..
Now you complain about Amazon deliveries to those LIVING in the centre?? You created the problem !!!
Show less of commentalggomas
Community Member 7 years agoMoney, money, money.
Show full commentInstead of banning cars in central London they want to make money for central London or whoever is taking the cash. Also the company who run the technology. Now if buses were FREE in Central London , would make it...
Money, money, money.
Show less of commentInstead of banning cars in central London they want to make money for central London or whoever is taking the cash. Also the company who run the technology. Now if buses were FREE in Central London , would make it easier to get around as it would be FREE and no cars to hinder buses and less pollution. Costs would be met by not having sicknesses ( which costs NHS) and cleaner air!
Anonymous - account deleted
Community Member 7 years agoI was recently in the London district of Hounslow which is under the flight path of aircraft taking off/landing at London`s Heathrow airport.
Show full commentI checked the intervals between take offs and at that time it was one every 45 seconds.
I checked...
I was recently in the London district of Hounslow which is under the flight path of aircraft taking off/landing at London`s Heathrow airport.
Show less of commentI checked the intervals between take offs and at that time it was one every 45 seconds.
I checked this for one hour of large passenger aircraft which gave the figure of 80.
Each aircraft carrying approx. 8000 gallons of fuel which in total makes 640,000 gallons of fuel in the air over a period of one hour, which in 24 hours equals 15,360,000 gallons.
Taking Londons airports of just Heathrow, London, and Gatwick, though there are more.
The figure could approach 46,000,000 gallons every 24 hours, this occuring at airports across the UK and the earth in any 24 hour period.
One cannot see it but there must be an enormous amount of carbon and other pollutants falling into the city below until the aircraft gains some height, then it is spread over wider areas.
And some of the streets below do not allow cars because of their pollution !
I forgot to mention that the aircraft that are taking off are at maximum thrust and the ones landing, not included in my figures, are on maximum reverse thrust.
This pollution falling into the streets of the town / city nearby after take off until a certain height
is reached, when it is spread over a wider area.
I have not checked the pollution content, ie. carbon but I believe there are other chemicals involved.
I know nothing will be said or done about this, but stop blaming the poor motorist.
A car exhaust is about ten inches from the road surface.
When the exhaust leaves the aircraft at say 40,000 feet leaving a white trail, does this consist of frozen water vapour that can drift into white cloud formations being carried along and slowly falling to earth.
Can these clouds containing carbon absorb heat from the sun, and also obscure the sun
stopping the rays from reaching the ground, and thus plants etc. all of this of course being blamed on `global warming`My comment is too long to fit!
Anonymous - account deleted
Community Member 7 years agoThe idea that the congestion charge has increased congestion is implausible. Congestion may have increased since the congestion charge was introduced, but London's population has increased significantly during that period. More people is...
Show full commentThe idea that the congestion charge has increased congestion is implausible. Congestion may have increased since the congestion charge was introduced, but London's population has increased significantly during that period. More people is the cause of increasing congestion. Without the congestion charge, it would likely be worse.
And as for cycle lanes increasing congestion, you're making the common fallacy of focusing on short-term, localized effects, rather than the long-term effects for the city as a whole. For sure, if you reduce a road from two car lanes to one to accommodate a cycle lane, then the immediate on that road is to increase congestion. But if you encourage more people to switch from cars to bikes, then the overall effect will be to reduce congestion and pollution.
The only solution to both the congestion and pollution problem is fewer car journeys. There is no way back to the 1960s.
Show less of commentAnonymous - account deleted
Community Member 7 years agoI cycle, and the biggest polluters are TFL buses, taxis and white vans.
I saw a TFL bus pulling out of the Hackney depot and turned the sky BLACK, you would have thought a house was on fire.
Show full commentBlack cabs are second, with their burst of...
I cycle, and the biggest polluters are TFL buses, taxis and white vans.
I saw a TFL bus pulling out of the Hackney depot and turned the sky BLACK, you would have thought a house was on fire.
Black cabs are second, with their burst of black smoke at every green light.
Poorly maintained while vans with fake MOTs.
London has too many bus routes and all the buses stop at every single stop.
Amhurst Road in Hackney can have AT LEAST 10 buses behind each other at peak times, stationary as they are stuck in traffic. This is absolute madness. I counted 18 buses in a row on Upper Street in Islington. It is a situation that plays off across London.
Very bad logistics.
With the introduction of the Hopper ticket, many bus routes can be broken up as they aren't really moving in traffic anyway.
Show less of commentalggomas
Community Member 7 years agoAs I suggested earlier.
Show full commentBan all cars, lorries commercial vehicles from central London.
Only commercial vehicles allowed early morning ( shops will have to adapt).
Commercial vehicles must leave before 08:30.
Just fuel adapted buses/taxis/MC...
As I suggested earlier.
Show less of commentBan all cars, lorries commercial vehicles from central London.
Only commercial vehicles allowed early morning ( shops will have to adapt).
Commercial vehicles must leave before 08:30.
Just fuel adapted buses/taxis/MC/pushbikes.
The Cyclist
Community Member 7 years agoYep but they're getting off until after motorbikes have been charged that's so wrong isn't it
Jon889
Community Member 7 years agoAir pollution monitors could be installed on bus stops, as they mostly all have power already for the live time boards and it’s a place people wait around breathing in the air.
Show full commentAir pollution monitors could be installed on bus stops, as they mostly all have power already for the live time boards and it’s a place people wait around breathing in the air.
Show less of commentRichard Tracey
Community Member 7 years agoI agree that monitors should be on bus stops, particularly in heavily used roads and bus routes. That way there would be no excuse for the bus operators.
Show full commentI am glad to see Wandsworth Council is considering fitting all lamp posts with...
I agree that monitors should be on bus stops, particularly in heavily used roads and bus routes. That way there would be no excuse for the bus operators.
Show less of commentI am glad to see Wandsworth Council is considering fitting all lamp posts with electric car charging points