London Environment Strategy consultation
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1217 Londoners have responded | 26/07/2017 - 17/11/2017

What stops you or would encourage you to walk or cycle more of your short journeys in London?
Have you recently started cycling or walking more, how do you find it and what encouraged you to make the change?
Have you noticed any changes in your local area, or parts of London that have made them more amenable to cycling or walking? What type of changes are they, and what do you like about them?
The discussion ran from 10 August 2017 - 01 December 2017
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Log into your accountLmjhoney
Community Member 7 years agohttp://sensiblepolitics.beep.com/carfreenetwork.html
Show full commentCar Free Network For Walkers And Cyclists:
I had a good look around and seen the dire and dangerous state of our ecology I know we need to stop creating CO2 and other pollutants. Driving...
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Show less of commentCar Free Network For Walkers And Cyclists:
I had a good look around and seen the dire and dangerous state of our ecology I know we need to stop creating CO2 and other pollutants. Driving produces 25% of them. If we as human society intend to survive we have to not only stop polluting but actually have a carbon negative economy. So sadly, cos they are fun and useful, think cars will have to go.
Also recent figures say the car pollution in London is killing 29,000 people each year, that's mostly children with asthma and old people with bad lungs, so your kids and parents.
So given that why aren't we asking for a viable alternative to the private car, or even what City Hall calls Health Streets, a network of car free routes for walking and cycling. They are TFLs first and second priorities but are being given £770M compared to £15B given for planet (and our lives) destroying pollution.
So I am interested in a network of car free routes and very happy to volunteer my road as the first step in life saving carbon free network.
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Community Member 7 years agoI already walk most short journeys, or use a local bus. Having citymapper has made this much easier - being able to navigate on foot with confidence in unfamiliar areas and being able to see when the next bus is due and where from. I own a...
Show full commentI already walk most short journeys, or use a local bus. Having citymapper has made this much easier - being able to navigate on foot with confidence in unfamiliar areas and being able to see when the next bus is due and where from. I own a bike - but the main thing that puts me off is having to find a safe place to park it and having to do the return trip by bike - which is not always convenient. More widespread provision of cycle hire bikes would really help, although I know it would be expensive to do so. Perhaps it could be funded by a new tax on parking. In Spain dropped kerbs are licensed annually. A simple charge could encourage reinstatement of front gardens, use of carshare over private ownership and be used to fund pavement improvements as well as kickstarting other transport choice provision, like bikeshare!
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Community Member 7 years agoBetter cycling infrastructure would help. Roads are dominated by cars, vans, lorries and taxis. Segregation of motorized traffic from bikes.
Show full commentThe pollution isn't helping, as is the aggression a lot of drivers exhibit.
I regularly cycle to...
Better cycling infrastructure would help. Roads are dominated by cars, vans, lorries and taxis. Segregation of motorized traffic from bikes.
Show less of commentThe pollution isn't helping, as is the aggression a lot of drivers exhibit.
I regularly cycle to work and would call myself an experienced cyclist but had so many near misses that I resorted to purchasing a camera to document close passes and drivers shouting abuse.
Maybe the DVLA could make it compulsory for new drivers to cycle every day for eight weeks before being handed their driving licence.
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Official Representative 7 years agoHi everyone
Cycling has increased by 7% over the last 3 years in London, and every day there are about 670,000 bike trips across the city.
In this short video Will Norman, London's Walking & Cycling Commissioner, shares his views on cycling and cycling infrastructure in London: https://vimeo.com/240516413
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Someone
Community Member 7 years agoProper infrastructure is essential before most people will consider cycling. I rarely cycle now, but yesterday I rode for about a mile in North London. In that short trip, one driver passed me too closely on a bend made narrow by parking on...
Show full commentProper infrastructure is essential before most people will consider cycling. I rarely cycle now, but yesterday I rode for about a mile in North London. In that short trip, one driver passed me too closely on a bend made narrow by parking on both sides of the road, and another overtook me at a junction while I was signalling to turn right. In each case, the driver risked a collision to save themselves no more than five seconds in their rush to the next hold-up. This sort of incompetent driving is commonplace. No more cycling on the road for me. My options are to drive instead, or join the few people who cycle on the pavement. If Mr Norman and the Mayor ever make cycling safe where I live, I'll be happy to cycle again.
Show less of commentLmjhoney
Community Member 7 years agoThe argument that Increased amounts of cyclists on roads makes it safer is fallacious.
Show full commentCyclists still die and at a greater rate but just slightly less than the increased percentage of cyclist numbers.
The argument that Increased amounts of cyclists on roads makes it safer is fallacious.
Show less of commentCyclists still die and at a greater rate but just slightly less than the increased percentage of cyclist numbers.
Ann_P
Community Member 7 years agoI think what stops most people from walking, cycling (or using public transport) more is the ownership of a private car parked outside their house! If it's there, fixed costs paid, people will use it. I strongly believe that if you target...
Show full commentI think what stops most people from walking, cycling (or using public transport) more is the ownership of a private car parked outside their house! If it's there, fixed costs paid, people will use it. I strongly believe that if you target car ownership, you'll increase sustainable methods of transport automatically, and people will wonder (like us) why they ever thought they needed one. No more than one parking permit per household (none if you have off-street parking), reclaimed road space to be devoted to segregated cycling and bus lanes. Parking permits should be priced to reflect the real cost of the land occupied by vehicles, including the opportunity cost of other uses that land could be put to.
Show less of commentI had a private car myself until 2000, when I didn't replace it after a period of living without abroad. It was immediately obvious that I had never needed it anyway! I had used it to drive to my parents (an easy - and quicker- train ride) and to go to the supermarket (replaced with a shopping trolley!) I had more of a job convincing my husband, who likes cars. I persuaded him that, with the money we saved, on the few occasions we actually needed one, he could hire himself an Alpha Romeo. In the end, he contented himself with a very flash bike (that cost the same as a car, but he's lost a couple of stone and has never been so fit). We are members of Zipcar, which we use about 5-6 times per year, all we actually need.
LaurenceK
Community Member 7 years agoWhat stops me walking: it is often unpleasant to walk because of the pollution, noise and danger of being surrounded by traffic and reckless drivers. I walk as much as possible but know that I would walk much longer distances if it felt...
Show full commentWhat stops me walking: it is often unpleasant to walk because of the pollution, noise and danger of being surrounded by traffic and reckless drivers. I walk as much as possible but know that I would walk much longer distances if it felt safer and more pleasant, particularly when I am with children.
Show less of commentWhat stops me cycling: safety and bullying, that takes the subtle form of some drivers putting you just slightly at risk so that they don't harm you really but your stress levels are nevertheless very high.
Lmjhoney
Community Member 7 years agohttp://sensiblepolitics.beep.com/carfreenetwork.htm
DMichael
Community Member 7 years agoI heard of an idea to put overhead cycle tracks above all the railway lines. I would love that, cycling along quietly above street level, at tree top level. It would be completely separate from the street traffic, and even young people who...
Show full commentI heard of an idea to put overhead cycle tracks above all the railway lines. I would love that, cycling along quietly above street level, at tree top level. It would be completely separate from the street traffic, and even young people who are just learning to cycle and old people who might like to go a bit slower could cycle on them perfectly safely.
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Official Representative 7 years agoHi DMichael
timsharville started a similar discussion here: https://www.london.gov.uk/talk-london/transport/proposal-cycle-paths-ne…, where you can also read the response from our Transport Team.
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Benjamin Hargreaves
Community Member 7 years agoIt is all very well thinking more space for cycling and segregated cycling lanes would be good - and it would if you take a narrow view of the issue - but you are likely to increase vehicle congestion and so pollution (see the new...
Show full commentIt is all very well thinking more space for cycling and segregated cycling lanes would be good - and it would if you take a narrow view of the issue - but you are likely to increase vehicle congestion and so pollution (see the new arrangements exiting Hyde Park at Lancaster Gate as an example
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Community Member 7 years agoBenjamin, can you cite any evidence that supports your point? Because the only evidence I've seen shows that making space for cycling increases the number of people cycling, increases traffic capacity and improves air quality.
Even if you...
Show full commentBenjamin, can you cite any evidence that supports your point? Because the only evidence I've seen shows that making space for cycling increases the number of people cycling, increases traffic capacity and improves air quality.
Even if you are correct, the fact remains that people have a right to cycle in safety.
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Community Member 7 years agoTerry, I wrote as an active holiday cyclist who does not cycle in London, but does not use a car very often in London either (preferring bus and tube), so my only 'evidence' is what is reported in the press and the example cited of the...
Show full commentTerry, I wrote as an active holiday cyclist who does not cycle in London, but does not use a car very often in London either (preferring bus and tube), so my only 'evidence' is what is reported in the press and the example cited of the north bound exit from Hyde Park at Lancaster Gate where the reduction of car lanes from 2 to 1 to create a segregated cycle lane has created consistently worse congestion at the times I use that route. I absolutely agree that people have the right to cycle safely, and I think that only segregated cycle lanes can achieve this (as others suggest). However there is likely to be a cost, and I don't know what the answer is - but I hope someone is studying the evidence carefully. (Maybe one has to increase congestion and pollution to discourage vehicle usage - but I am not sure that will work.)
I note that apparently 45% of all commutes for work or education in Copenhagen are apparently by bike - but London is a very different city.
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Official Representative 7 years agoThanks everyone for your views and suggestions. We'll share them with our policy teams here at City Hall.
Are there any areas in London that are particularly good or bad for cycling and walking your short journeys?
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jaredjeya
Community Member 7 years agoI tried cycling to the gym a few times - I used to do it when I lived near Chiswick and had a relatively quiet route, but now I live near Hammersmith and the route to the gym was along a busy road.
I was terrified every time that some...
Show full commentI tried cycling to the gym a few times - I used to do it when I lived near Chiswick and had a relatively quiet route, but now I live near Hammersmith and the route to the gym was along a busy road.
I was terrified every time that some driver would road rage - especially on sections where roadworks made my side into a single, narrow lane and so I tended to stick more to the middle of the lane to stop drivers overtaking too closely.
Often I felt drivers were trying to pass very close to me.
So I stopped cycling and took the bus instead.
What we need is more education for drivers (e.g. an ad campaign, and in the driving test) so they respect cyclists, and more cycle lanes.
Show less of commentLmjhoney
Community Member 7 years agohttp://sensiblepolitics.beep.com/carfreenetwork.html
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BruceLee44
Community Member 7 years agoAll government and council vehicles should be electric vehicles, the Mayor should ban them to procure any sort of petrol/diesel car
BruceLee44
Community Member 7 years agoI would like to see car share vehicles (zipCar) be allowed to use taxi/bus lanes
BruceLee44
Community Member 7 years agoA parking space is around about the size of a bedroom in London, which would cost at least £6000 per year to rent.
Show full commentSo a parking space on a street with a permit for £150-300 per year is basically being subsidized by the rest of the...
A parking space is around about the size of a bedroom in London, which would cost at least £6000 per year to rent.
So a parking space on a street with a permit for £150-300 per year is basically being subsidized by the rest of the population who don't have cars, but have to put up with the lower productivity of a congested city.
I would like to see street parking removed on one side of the street to create
Show less of comment- more cycle super highway artery's
- more bus lanes
Lmjhoney
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Lmjhoney
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BruceLee44
Community Member 7 years agoThere's a lot of suggestions for more segregated cycle lanes, however what if some roads were just classified as bicycle priority roads.
- paint and sign the whole road
Show full comment- the road would still be mixed use BUT
- on a bicycle priority road...
There's a lot of suggestions for more segregated cycle lanes, however what if some roads were just classified as bicycle priority roads.
- paint and sign the whole road
- the road would still be mixed use BUT
- on a bicycle priority road its illegal to overtake a bicycle with a vehicle.
- bicycles can use the whole lane.
this means that traffic flows at the speed of a bicycle, nobody can get frustrated or road ragey because its the rule.
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Community Member 7 years agoWe need better pavements and segregated cycling infrastructure. I've cycled to work for several years now, but I'm male, relatively young, pretty fit, and very confident on a bike. My wife has a much shorter commute than me as the crow...
Show full commentWe need better pavements and segregated cycling infrastructure. I've cycled to work for several years now, but I'm male, relatively young, pretty fit, and very confident on a bike. My wife has a much shorter commute than me as the crow flies but she would never consider cycling due to the amount of traffic she would have to deal with.
Proper segregated infrastructure would democratise cycling, and move it from just being the province of highly motivated and fit males (by and large), towards allowing everyone here from kids all the way up to pensioners to do it. Only then will we create the kind of modal shift we need to move away from motorised transport long term.
It's a cliche to say it now, but in the Netherlands infrastructure is excellent, and cycling is a way of life. We need that here. With more and more people living in our cities we can't keep expanding or giving way for cars, no matter how much you widen roads, re-phase traffic lights or 'improve traffic flow' sooner or later there'll just be too many motor vehicles for the space, leading to slow traffic and the pollution to go with it. The only option is to move away from motor vehicles long term, and the only real replacement (that wouldn't instantly dump more people into our already busy public transport system) that can move enough people far enough quickly enough is cycling.
Show less of commentLmjhoney
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marundel2
Community Member 7 years agoSince Sadiq Khan became mayor, there's been a slow down in building good cycling infrastructure which as lots of comments say is key to get people cycling just as good pedestrian infrastructure helps pedestrians. What happened to the east...
Show full commentSince Sadiq Khan became mayor, there's been a slow down in building good cycling infrastructure which as lots of comments say is key to get people cycling just as good pedestrian infrastructure helps pedestrians. What happened to the east west cycle highway? So, improve facilities for cyclists and pedestrians and remove road space for drivers as driving is an incredibly inefficient and harmful way of getting round the city. Extra congestion charges with the funds put back into active travel and public transport. I like the idea of stopping parents driving their kids to school by restricting access to roads near schools. Disappointing to see the draft Environment Strategy so thin on walking and cycling.
Show less of commentwondermum73
Community Member 7 years agoI gave up my car to use public transport and to walk more. In my area the pavements are often in a bad state, this is compounded by cars being half parked on them, one day a week bins are left on them, and then cyclist use them too plus...
Show full commentI gave up my car to use public transport and to walk more. In my area the pavements are often in a bad state, this is compounded by cars being half parked on them, one day a week bins are left on them, and then cyclist use them too plus children with scooters going to school.
Show less of commentIn some parts the pavements are so bad `i walk in the road when the traffic calms down. I can certainly walk faster on the road because the surface is much better. I have noticed a few more cycle lanes but absolutely no improvement in any pavements or parking management to clear the pavements for walkers instead of cars.
Anonymous - account deleted
Community Member 7 years agotraffic pollution is not a help.but I walk a little rather than bus it.
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Community Member 7 years agoCycling:
Show full commentThe one thing that improves cycling far more than anything else is high quality segregated lanes. It's disappointing to see that after the excellent progress under the previous mayor that approved designs for high quality new...
Cycling:
The one thing that improves cycling far more than anything else is high quality segregated lanes. It's disappointing to see that after the excellent progress under the previous mayor that approved designs for high quality new schemes are being cancelled and new proposals are very poor (see Nine Elms scheme). Bring back Andrew Gilligan.
Also a lot of cheap and easy improvement can be made by simply adding modal filters to side streets to prevent rat running.
Walking:
Show less of commentI would like to see many more pedestrianised areas to make walking more pleasant. Plans to pedestrianise Bank junction and Oxford street are a great start, but this should be the norm for all high streets too. It would also help to regenerate local high streets by making them nicer places to spend time, encouraging cafe culture etc.
I would also like to see more pedestrian priority at junction crossings. Often the pedestrian crossings are staggered, making people wait a number of times get across a junction while vehicles speed past them belching out fumes. The priority seems to be to maximise traffic flow - if there is too much traffic for pedestrian priority then the traffic should be reduced, e.g. busses, cycles and deliveries only.
Lmjhoney
Community Member 7 years agoWalking and cycling are TFLs 1st & 2nd priorities. Sic.
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Walking and cycling are TFLs 1st & 2nd priorities. Sic.
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Willinthehill
Community Member 7 years agoI love cycling in London and have done so for 20 years but safety is a big concern, I'm especially nervous after being hospitalised after an accident last year and I regularly see near misses and dangerous behaviour from motorists. I feel...
Show full commentI love cycling in London and have done so for 20 years but safety is a big concern, I'm especially nervous after being hospitalised after an accident last year and I regularly see near misses and dangerous behaviour from motorists. I feel that supporting cycling is not high enough up the agenda, both in terms of funding and attitudes of the public, police, local councils and TFL. Segregated cycle lanes are the only thing I've witnessed making a real difference, everything else (e.g. painted on cycle lanes) are not worth the effort - I'd rather see 1 mile of segregated cycle lanes than 100 miles of painted on lanes.
I also see a lot of people driving their kids to school (I live near 2 schools and have one child in school), double parking at drop off points, etc. This makes it a lot more dangerous for other parents who want to walk or cycle their kids to school. It's also been exacerbated recently as local schools have been removing the distance criteria on entry criteria meaning pupils are travelling from further afield and more likely to drive. I would love to see (minor) roads near schools closed (or 'exit only' for residents) for 30 mins before the start of school, this would discourage parents from driving kids and encourage them to cycle or walk.
Show less of commentmarundel2
Community Member 7 years agoGood suggestions
Show full commentGood suggestions
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