Criminal Justice System
How confident are you that the criminal justice system is effective at bringing people who commit crimes to justice? This includes institutions involved in making and enforcing laws, from legislation to policing, the courts system and punishment (e.g. prisons or other sentences such as community payback).
How well do you think the criminal justice system supports victims and witnesses of crime? Do you think the criminal justice system is fair to all sections of the London community? Is a different approach needed for re-offenders?
The discussion ran from 25 October 2016 - 25 January 2017
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Log into your accountLady Iveta
Community Member 8 years agoI am a victim of some criminals and I am not to feeling safe at all its not fair at all, but for same crimes punishment is higher then for others, some criminals can wait they trials in own house even if they are in dept measured in...
Show full commentI am a victim of some criminals and I am not to feeling safe at all its not fair at all, but for same crimes punishment is higher then for others, some criminals can wait they trials in own house even if they are in dept measured in millions of pound of sterling, but others are punish for thousands of pound of sterling.
Show less of commentLaw not published "High heels and uniforms" petition proved it.
How did Judges can be precise?
Ministry of Justice failing to deal with Courts - County Court of Willesden and Magistrates Court of Hendon.
Anonymous - account deleted
Community Member 8 years agoThere should be tougher sentences for violent crimes. No parole for serious crimes involving firearms, knives or unprovoked violence. I think a deterrent needs to be sent out, that if you do serious crime, you can expect to do serious time...
Show full commentThere should be tougher sentences for violent crimes. No parole for serious crimes involving firearms, knives or unprovoked violence. I think a deterrent needs to be sent out, that if you do serious crime, you can expect to do serious time..
Show less of commentScottytrue
Community Member 8 years agoThere has to be consequences for people who commit crimes if not the world would really be unsafe,sometimes people go to jail and still dont learn some never do but you must accept responsibility for your own actions there is no excuse for...
Show full commentThere has to be consequences for people who commit crimes if not the world would really be unsafe,sometimes people go to jail and still dont learn some never do but you must accept responsibility for your own actions there is no excuse for crime,not drugs,not alcohol,we all make choices in life so we must pay the consequences for them choices,learn from your mistakes,and do better each time,go forward never back
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Community Member 8 years agoI'm not very confident. It seems to be a bit of a lottery. The courts are inconsistent in their sentencing, too trusting in what the accused say, perhaps too bound by somewhat archaic rules, too adversarial, inefficient and time wasting...
Show full commentI'm not very confident. It seems to be a bit of a lottery. The courts are inconsistent in their sentencing, too trusting in what the accused say, perhaps too bound by somewhat archaic rules, too adversarial, inefficient and time wasting, and unpredictable in their findings on apparently very similar cases. I suspect that juries may be too easily influenced by individual members. The CPS seems to be too ready to drop or downgrade some prosecutions. There is a culture of excessive leniency among many enforcing authorities, at least for minor offences, particularly those committed by businesses. Some offences, such as motoring offences, rarely attract any enforcement attention at all. The enforcing authorities are under-resourced and seem unwilling or unable to investigate many offences. Investigations are not always thorough, competent and unbiased. Low penalties for repeat offenders fail to deter further offending. Law is sometimes interpreted leniently so that offences with serious or potentially serious consequences get small penalties.
Show less of commentLady Iveta
Community Member 8 years agoNor really good quality work with victims, need improved so much ...
Talk London
Official Representative 8 years agoThanks all for your views posted above. These will all be analysed along with all responses to our policing and crime survey, which closed yesterday. We’ll leave this thread open for further discussion, however. We’ve added a new post to our blog with a thank you message from the Deputy Mayor for Policing and Crime. This also sets out what happens next in creation of the Mayor’s Police and Crime Plan.Thanks again!Talk London Team
Astris
Community Member 8 years agoI thought that the primary purpose of a criminal justice system was to protect the majority of a society from the unwanted acts (defined by laws) of a minority?
It is not a system to find people who need social re-training, or other help...
Show full commentI thought that the primary purpose of a criminal justice system was to protect the majority of a society from the unwanted acts (defined by laws) of a minority?
It is not a system to find people who need social re-training, or other help.
Therefore, IMHO:
(i) the needs of the victim should be placed first;
Show less of comment(ii) there should be a deterrent value to any sentencing;
(iii) re-habilitation of offenders is a secondary consideration.
johncruddas
Community Member 8 years agoAbsolutely spot on
Show full commentAbsolutely spot on
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Community Member 8 years agoYoung people need good parents .
johncruddas
Community Member 8 years agoAgreed in a perfect world but that its not ,young people need boundaries ,and must understand the consequences if those boundaries are crossed
johncruddas
Community Member 8 years agoIve just read that an immigrant in germany has beenbfreed after raping a child ,i hope this type of sentencing doesnt happen here,seems to me sentencing in general is now beyond a joke losing touch with reality,how can avrapist walk free...
Show full commentIve just read that an immigrant in germany has beenbfreed after raping a child ,i hope this type of sentencing doesnt happen here,seems to me sentencing in general is now beyond a joke losing touch with reality,how can avrapist walk free and a child ,i do think generally judiciary and cps do not support the police ,the mayor is seen to be a critic of the police and he must dtop numbers being cut its now at a dangerous level police sometimes taking 4 hours to reach violent crimes,would rather see foreign aid money diverted to our security and our needy people
Show less of commentVeesh
Community Member 8 years agoOur Criminal Justice System - considering this is, at least ostensibly, a 'First World' (sic) country - is LAUGHABLE. Hear this out: the Police chased a suspected drug dealer and car jacker in a stolen car. The car rammed three vehicles...
Show full commentOur Criminal Justice System - considering this is, at least ostensibly, a 'First World' (sic) country - is LAUGHABLE. Hear this out: the Police chased a suspected drug dealer and car jacker in a stolen car. The car rammed three vehicles during pursuit, then reversed straight onto a policeman on a motorbike (at this point this is akin to attempted murder), and received a 6 month driving ban. It was ABYSMAL. I have thankfully not been a victim of crime but fully empathise with those that have, and have had next to zero recourse to justice. Stronger deterrents are necessary. The fact that our prisons are bursting at their seams is a appallingly poor excuse for lenient (read non-existent) sentencing.
Show less of commentCW
Community Member 8 years agoI don't think their should be a specific criminal justice system for London or any "extras" for London. The system must be consistent across the country and not have regional differences.
Show full commentIs it fit for purpose? No, need more emphasis on...
I don't think their should be a specific criminal justice system for London or any "extras" for London. The system must be consistent across the country and not have regional differences.
Show less of commentIs it fit for purpose? No, need more emphasis on modern crime e.g. Knife carrying, cybercrime. But has to be done nationally at least at an England and Wales level.
johncruddas
Community Member 8 years agoJudiciary not fit for purpose,too soft on serious crime ,sentences for rape are no deterrent ,any sentence involving community service is demeaning to victims ,it seems to me theres more concern for the criminals than their victims
Show full commentJudiciary not fit for purpose,too soft on serious crime ,sentences for rape are no deterrent ,any sentence involving community service is demeaning to victims ,it seems to me theres more concern for the criminals than their victims
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Community Member 8 years agoSentence not consistent with crime
Tams
Community Member 8 years agoI personally would like to see a far tougher sentencing regime for drug and carrying of knives.
Show full commentI would propose sentencing along these lines.
1st time offence. 1 year automatic custodial sentence with no parole.
2nd offence. 10 years...
I personally would like to see a far tougher sentencing regime for drug and carrying of knives.
I would propose sentencing along these lines.
1st time offence. 1 year automatic custodial sentence with no parole.
2nd offence. 10 years custodial sentence with no parole.
This would make the younger people think twice before they get involved with drugs and carrying a knive.
As far as the drug pushers go, I would propose that they get an automatic 20 year custodial sentence, or jailed till they are at least 65 years of age, which is the greater, with no parole.
And for those who use a knive or gun, or even caught carrying a gun, I would propose an automatic 30 year custodial sentence, or at least 65 years of age in custody, whichever is the greater, with no parole.
Bring in sentencing like this, this will cut down on other crimes, as people will not want to go to jail, even for a first time offence over drugs. And hopefully, it would also cut out the use of knives in the gang culture. I don't believe for one minute it would stop knives being carried completely, but I think it will reduce somewhat.
Show less of commentMaryClare22
Community Member 8 years agoReally? You would sentence a young person who may be is having problems at home to a year in jail for possessing or smoking some cannabis? And then, when they are released, with no home and job, lock them up again for a decade if they smoke...
Show full commentReally? You would sentence a young person who may be is having problems at home to a year in jail for possessing or smoking some cannabis? And then, when they are released, with no home and job, lock them up again for a decade if they smoke another joint?
Show less of commentAside from everything else, what about the burden to the public purse : it costs in excess of £40K per year to keep one person in jail. I'd rather that money was spent on raising a young person's opportunities and aspirations, as then they will be a contributing member and tax payer.
Anonymous - account deleted
Community Member 8 years agoAbsolutely agree with this. Smoking a bit of weed doesn't mean a young person is a criminal. Providing education, aspirations and opportunities is much more cost effective and has a knock-on effect on entire communities. Rather than prisons...
Show full commentAbsolutely agree with this. Smoking a bit of weed doesn't mean a young person is a criminal. Providing education, aspirations and opportunities is much more cost effective and has a knock-on effect on entire communities. Rather than prisons, money should be redirected into local community programs to keep young people out of gangs and off the streets. So many of them fall into crime because they feel abandoned and undervalued. Save the prisons for the real criminals.
Show less of commentsallyth
Community Member 8 years agoSo often the length of sentencing seem totally inadequate for the crime that was committed. Are the judges or their guides lines to blame, if not who is ?
Re-offending should carry such a high penalty so the re offenders think very hard...
Show full commentSo often the length of sentencing seem totally inadequate for the crime that was committed. Are the judges or their guides lines to blame, if not who is ?
Re-offending should carry such a high penalty so the re offenders think very hard about the risk and consequences.
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Community Member 8 years agoThe purpose of a conviction should be to ensure the individual is given the right opportunities to determine if there is possibility of rehabilitation. If there is no possibility, then appropriate steps should be taken to ensure that person...
Show full commentThe purpose of a conviction should be to ensure the individual is given the right opportunities to determine if there is possibility of rehabilitation. If there is no possibility, then appropriate steps should be taken to ensure that person is not deemed a threat. The system forgets to look at the root cause of the offending, more research and focus on WHY criminals re-offend, rather than teaching them that the next they do something bad, it could be serious! It's like treating a child.
Early intervention, prevention and education are the key here.
Show less of commentAstris
Community Member 8 years agoI think that the primary purpose of conviction is to protect others from the risk of further offending.
Rehabilitation is NOT the primnary purpose.
Of course, not all offenders are essentially bad people, but there are some individuals...
Show full commentI think that the primary purpose of conviction is to protect others from the risk of further offending.
Rehabilitation is NOT the primnary purpose.
Of course, not all offenders are essentially bad people, but there are some individuals who are "bad", just as there are some who are "good".
If adults behave like children, then they deserve to be treated like children. It is difficult to absolve anybody from personal responsibility for their actions - almost every adult knows what behaviour is "right and wrong" in our society (i.e. acceptable and unacceptable behaviour). Unless individuals remain accountable for their behaviour and are given some form of dis-incentive (deterrent?), they will never learn to modify that behaviour.
We can't continually excuse bad behaviour. We will end up with anarchy!
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