Policing in your neighbourhood
The Met Police’s http://content.met.police.uk/Site/saferneighbourhoods Safer Neighbourhoods programme is focused on local policing, with officers working with residents to identify and tackle issues of concern locally. It means that wards each have a named police officer and police community support officer (PCSO), supported by additional officers who work across wards. In addition to focusing on crime reduction, officers also have a role to improve community relations more generally.
The Safer Neighbourhoods programme is also intended to give local communities a meaningful say in deciding policing priorities in their area. Teams are often based at local police stations, but some work from kiosks, partnership offices, schools and hospitals.
What do you think of the job police are doing in your local area and how could it be improved? How important is it to see police officers and PCSOs in your neighbourhood? What does neighbourhood policing mean to you?
The discussion ran from 25 October 2016 - 25 January 2017
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Community Member 8 years agoIn my daily life I travel from end of my Borough to the other. Where I live is a more rundown part which has a lot of daily anti social behaviour happening and you never see a policeman on foot walking around whereas when I am the posher...
Show full commentIn my daily life I travel from end of my Borough to the other. Where I live is a more rundown part which has a lot of daily anti social behaviour happening and you never see a policeman on foot walking around whereas when I am the posher end of my Borough you see loads of them! Also it would be nice to see the odd police car cruise around my area during the day time as dodgy people come around my area during the day time looking for empty houses to rob. No policemen but plenty of traffic wardens around here!
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Community Member 8 years agoThe only time you see a Police Officer on my Estate is when they are going to Cafe or Shops
kscterry
Community Member 8 years agoThat's A LOT more than you see in Bromley!
kscterry
Community Member 8 years agoI think the general message here is there is a lack of police presence, especially in Outer London Boroughs. I can't see Sadiq lifting a finger when the majority of people that put him in office last May live in Islington/Hackney/Lambeth...
Show full commentI think the general message here is there is a lack of police presence, especially in Outer London Boroughs. I can't see Sadiq lifting a finger when the majority of people that put him in office last May live in Islington/Hackney/Lambeth/Newham boroughs and so on and as such there simply won't be the political will to help us in Outer London.
There is easily money around to pay for more police. We simply don't pay our police officers enough for this not to be the case. Only this week I opened the Metro and saw an advert from TFL with a family in saying something to the tune of 'we love the traffic changes at Archway/Elephant and Castle'. I don't like what TFL has done at either but more to the point how much did it cost TFL to put that advert there and who did it benefit? Why is taxpayers money not going in to something that people actually want to see? Sadiq is also trying to bring in 'London Borough of culture' for every year - fine when there's plenty of money about but in my opinion splashing out when other priorities exist.
I wish people saw our police forces with similar value to for instance the NHS where the smallest of changes causes huge uproar. Money exists but it isn't used properly
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Community Member 8 years agoI am really hoping that Sadiq will recognise those of us who live in the outer boroughs, given that our last two mayors didn't seem to think London existed outside of zone 2. This opportunity to address our concerns is a good start, just...
Show full commentI am really hoping that Sadiq will recognise those of us who live in the outer boroughs, given that our last two mayors didn't seem to think London existed outside of zone 2. This opportunity to address our concerns is a good start, just hope that somebody is listening.
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Community Member 8 years agoI hope the Talk London Administrator who posted the article on Safer Neighbourhoods programme is reading the comments posted below, he will then realise that the system he has mentioned is obviously not working. Visible Police on a beat...
Show full commentI hope the Talk London Administrator who posted the article on Safer Neighbourhoods programme is reading the comments posted below, he will then realise that the system he has mentioned is obviously not working. Visible Police on a beat was a far more effective method of Policing and worked, Closing so many Police Stations may have saved money, but it has alienated the Police from the Public!
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Community Member 8 years agoTotally agree. Closing police stations shows that the government has very little ambition to make our streets safer.
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Community Member 8 years agoHaving had a chance to read some of the comments, many refer to the lack of Police Officers on our streets. The main reason for this will be the 'Hair-brained' scheme of removing most of the Police Stations in London. I hope the Mayor...
Show full commentHaving had a chance to read some of the comments, many refer to the lack of Police Officers on our streets. The main reason for this will be the 'Hair-brained' scheme of removing most of the Police Stations in London. I hope the Mayor reads some of the comments which have been posted or this is a waste of time. With the sale of so many Police properties, where has all the money gone? Where have all the Police Officers gone? Let the Mayor give us the answers!
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Community Member 8 years agoPolice need to be more visible to the Public they serve, the areas they work are far too big for them to patrol on foot. The removal of most of the Police Stations in London has made it impossible to have a visible presence. We will never...
Show full commentPolice need to be more visible to the Public they serve, the areas they work are far too big for them to patrol on foot. The removal of most of the Police Stations in London has made it impossible to have a visible presence. We will never get back what we had. I believe that the young men and women in our Police Service are just as dedicated as those in 60's and 70's, however they have not been helped by the errors made by successive governments.
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Community Member 8 years agoI appear to live on the boundary of a number of policing neighbourhoods, as a consequence it seems that crimes and anti-social behaviour that do have a direct impact on our street just aren't dealt with.
Show full commentOver the past year or so there have...
I appear to live on the boundary of a number of policing neighbourhoods, as a consequence it seems that crimes and anti-social behaviour that do have a direct impact on our street just aren't dealt with.
Show less of commentOver the past year or so there have been increasing numbers of groups of men and teenagers loitering on street corners, which I have reported but to no response and I no longer feel safe to walk home from the tube station alone.
The illegal workers hanging around outside the DIY stores at the end of my road are a problem too, but it seems all the police can do is round them up on occasion and send them away with a warning. Instead they should be targetting the unscrupulous businesses that are picking up these workers.
I've lived in Queensbury, Harrow for 20 years and it previously felt like a safe residential suburb, sadly not any more. I feel more unsafe here than I do in Central London.
kscterry
Community Member 8 years agoI live in the London Borough of Bromley. I NEVER see police officers around in my area. My nearest police station is in Bromley Town Centre which is a three-four mile journey. Bromley is badly under-policed. I go to other areas, including...
Show full commentI live in the London Borough of Bromley. I NEVER see police officers around in my area. My nearest police station is in Bromley Town Centre which is a three-four mile journey. Bromley is badly under-policed. I go to other areas, including Islington, Brent, and Lewisham and see loads of police. Why is there such a lack of equality in terms of police staff numbers?
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Community Member 8 years agoYou will find more Police Officers posted to Brent Cross Shopping Centre (Private Premises) than you will find patrolling the Streets of Barnet. Police Officers are not normally supposed to patrol Private Premises! Brent Cross Shopping...
Show full commentYou will find more Police Officers posted to Brent Cross Shopping Centre (Private Premises) than you will find patrolling the Streets of Barnet. Police Officers are not normally supposed to patrol Private Premises! Brent Cross Shopping Centre have their own Police Team. How Crass is that.
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Community Member 8 years agoAlso live in Bromley borough. Orpington police station now closed. West Wickham has a police office: why not one in Orpington? Occasionally see PSOs patrolling High Street but never a PC.
SuzanneE17
Community Member 8 years agoI live in East London. Only seen ONE Police Officer around here in the past few weeks, even months. I had phoned the police about a dangerous damaged car parked outside my house which children were climbing into. They gave me a crime number...
Show full commentI live in East London. Only seen ONE Police Officer around here in the past few weeks, even months. I had phoned the police about a dangerous damaged car parked outside my house which children were climbing into. They gave me a crime number and asked me to phone the local council - who came to collect the car that same afternoon. The police - well ONE week afterwards a policeman knocked to ask where the damaged car was??????. A nearby house was burgled, did the Police knock to give us details, NO, it was all the neighbours who got together, we now supervise each others houses. The Police? They sent us leaflets....to be careful ?!?
Show less of commentWe need a visible Police presence every day.
We need more street lighting at night.
We need Police on the tube, train and bus late at night.
London is not safe.
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Community Member 8 years agoYou said it Suzanne, I hope the Mayor reads your comments, but I won't hold my breath!
kscterry
Community Member 8 years agoLikewise to Suzanne's comments I saw some suspicious behaviour in Bromley Town Centre a few weeks ago I felt necessary to let the police know about. I rang 101 and after waiting more than 10 minutes simply gave up as I didn't have the time...
Show full commentLikewise to Suzanne's comments I saw some suspicious behaviour in Bromley Town Centre a few weeks ago I felt necessary to let the police know about. I rang 101 and after waiting more than 10 minutes simply gave up as I didn't have the time to hold any more. Surely even the call centre should have the staff levels to help people?
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Community Member 8 years agoI live in pimlico and do take a zero tolerance to anti social behaviour. I challenge teenagers and adults. I phone 101 and my local Estate anti social officer. You can't change anything by apathy. It's not always easy challenging people. I...
Show full commentI live in pimlico and do take a zero tolerance to anti social behaviour. I challenge teenagers and adults. I phone 101 and my local Estate anti social officer. You can't change anything by apathy. It's not always easy challenging people. I've had good and bad response's.
Show less of commentWhat's the worst that can happen? It might just get a whole lot better.
Lara
Community Member 8 years agoHi all,
Show full commentStrongly agree with the suggestions above.
Garry, I also live in Pimlico and although I feel it is a safe area, I do not know how to approach our local estate social officer or local police office. I feel there is not enough...
Hi all,
Show less of commentStrongly agree with the suggestions above.
Garry, I also live in Pimlico and although I feel it is a safe area, I do not know how to approach our local estate social officer or local police office. I feel there is not enough information provided.
How can I access this?
Thanks.
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Community Member 8 years agoPop your postcode into https://www.police.uk/ and you should get an email and/or phone number for your local team.
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Community Member 8 years agoI live in a very poor and deprived area of North London.
We used to have a safer neighbourhood team office on the high street where I live.
Show full commentThis was closed down and the nearest police station is now almost a mile away/20 mins walk - the...
I live in a very poor and deprived area of North London.
We used to have a safer neighbourhood team office on the high street where I live.
This was closed down and the nearest police station is now almost a mile away/20 mins walk - the safer neighbourhood team is now harder to contact and they have to spend more time actually getting to the area they are responsible for.
There is no easy way for us to 'pop in' and talk to them. It almost feels like a kick in the teeth when I visit more affluent areas of London and see that they still have some local safer neighbourhood offices open. The only real option we have is to email them with our concerns which feels very impersonal and means we have no guarantee when we'll get a response.
I haven't seen any officers from my SNT in months- through no fault of their own. They're overstretched and do not have the resources to police the visible policing issues that matter to us residents. I've previously asked them for details on when they'd be out and about in the ward and they declined to reveal that so we have no idea when they're actually out on the ward.
I often find it difficult to get a police response in my local area- again through no fault of their own. They're a busy borough and my 'ward' is at the outer edge of this borough. I believe the police response and resourcing suffers as a result and there simply aren't enough officers for the amount of crime on the borough.
I once called police to report that a man was walking down the high street trying to sell a stolen phone, nobody was able to come and he got away despite being in the area for over 15 minutes and offering me a brand new smartphone for £20.
I called police on another day to report that a man was aggressively begging and harassing women, despite having an ASBO/CBO prohibiting him from doing just that. Nobody came in time and he got away.
A neighbour had a pint glass thrown at him by a drunk football fan, it smashed a window. Nobody came in time despite the man being seen at a pub across the road after the incident.
All these things reduce our confidence in our local police and enbolden criminals to carry on offending as the chances of getting caught are slim.
Another example I'll give you regarding the failure of the SNT model. It sounds good on paper but very often has little impact in practice:
We have ongoing issues with the same prostitutes openly trading on street corners and people kerb crawling. As a group of residents in a new block of flats we've tried to engage with our local officers over the past year by email (as that seems to be the only way to get through to them) and only been met with half hearted promises of work to be done, and offers of face to face meetings with the SNT that never materialised. Some improvements have been made (such as police working with the council to fence off areas used for sex work) and the odd arrest or caution, but we aren't really kept up to date with what is happening and it feels like our concerns are simply a burden on the SNT and local police rather than an issue we can work towards solving with them. We have no visibility on the actual work going on behind the scenes and feel badly informed.
Calls to 101 to report the prostitution simply get filed away with no action being taken- call handlers admitting it simply generates a log but no response as it isn't considered a serious enough of a crime to warrant a response especially when the SNT aren’t working. This despite the effects of prostitution on the local community- women who live in our building being harassed and cat called by punters looking for sex workers, empty condom wrappers and body fluids left strewn across the ground and kerb crawlers outside most nights and the unsavoury characters and additional ASB that organised prostitution brings (including violent and dangerous pimps who circle the area in fancy cars to collect cash and protect their business). Sometimes it feels like it isn't worth bothering- the police called me back one day to tell me that I should call less frequently (as I was calling 101 daily regarding the prostitutes stood outside my home). The caller was sympathetic, but suggested calling once a week with details of when I had observed the prostitutes instead of as it happens as my calls were simply generating additional admin and putting me on a list of ‘frequent callers to police’ that somehow had to be managed.
Reading the local newspapers was even more sobering as it turns out that this area has suffered from prostitution since at least 2013.
Clearly the SNT model isn't working in our area and something has to change. We need more police officers empowered to deal with local issues affecting us, regardless of their severity, rather than efforts to only tackle the headline 'MOPAC 7' crimes or drugs which they seem to be obsessed at reducing to make their statistics look good.
Having a dedicated SNT for each ward seems like a great idea, until you realise that certain wards in London have much higher crime rates than others which need more resources to tackle. We can't use the same blueprint for local policing in a leafy, well to do area and a deprived, crime ridden area.
Bottom line is- we need to adequately staff and resource SNTs depending on the local demand, even if it means some areas require more resources than others.
We need to make sure officers are given bases to work from in the area they police, and empower them to effectively deal with crime that is affecting and important to LOCAL people, even if it isn't a headline/serious crime.
We need to ringfence these officers from being pulled into other work so that they can focus on tackling issues on their wards.
We also need to make SNTs accountable to the communities they police- agree timelines and deliverables with the local community and assess the progress that has been made in line with them, as it often takes months/years to get any meaningful progress in our situation as it stands.
Sorry for the long rant- just wanted to get some thoughts and ideas off my chest.
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Community Member 8 years agoI think the police are massively underfunded, and that this is a false economy.
Like you, I've had similar lack of response from the police on certain issues. For instance, there's been a rise in people cycling fast on the pavement...
Show full commentI think the police are massively underfunded, and that this is a false economy.
Like you, I've had similar lack of response from the police on certain issues. For instance, there's been a rise in people cycling fast on the pavement (including after dark without lights), but my online message to the local police on this issue was not answered.
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Community Member 8 years agoyes you are right there is there was better funding for them they would not have a problem delivering on services . As its often because of the lack of funds they cant do as much as they desire because most things cost money
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Community Member 8 years agoWhile I believe most Police officers are great, the system stops them from doing their best. I'd really like to see Police actively deal with anti-social behaviour: the "small" things that they now wouldn't even bother looking at. If having...
Show full commentWhile I believe most Police officers are great, the system stops them from doing their best. I'd really like to see Police actively deal with anti-social behaviour: the "small" things that they now wouldn't even bother looking at. If having to stop and fine someone for anti-social behaviour means spending 5 hours filling in forms and reports, then Police won't do it. Give them body cams (already proven to change people's behaviour for the better when interacting with Police) and simplify their work.
Make tackling low-level crime and anti-social behaviour a priority. Take an example from how NY dealt with and reduced their crime rates. If you teach people they can get away with the small things, they'll soon think they can get away with anything.
We need more of a zero-tolerance approach - just my 2 cents,
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Community Member 8 years agoWholeheartedly agree with this post! Zero-tolerance is the way forward...
Fitness4London
Community Member 8 years agoAgreed, it would create a culture of expecting higher standards from people, and intervene with young people who might otherwise go on to more serious crime.