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The quality of air varies from day-to-day depending on a range of factors, including the volume of traffic and weather conditions.

In cities such as Paris, a range of emergency measures are in place when air pollution climbs above safe levels. These include making public transport free, allowing only registration numbers with odd or even number plates on particular days, and health warnings on radio and television. Not all these measures would be practical in London, and the range of factors influencing the quality and cleanliness of air on a given day can make accurate forecasting difficult.

Do you change your daily routine on high pollution days? Would knowing about the level of pollutants in the air help make decisions about how you move around London?

The discussion ran from 04 July 2016 - 04 October 2016

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http://www.visordown.com/motorcycle-news-general-news/heres-what-would-…

Anyone noticed how we haven't had any high pollution alerts in months yet the air is thicker lol.....what a con that was TFL

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Oh My God you all really need to look at these figures !! Looks like someone,s been telling porkies !!
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/fil...
Pay particular attention to the NOx emissions you know the...

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Oh My God you all really need to look at these figures !! Looks like someone,s been telling porkies !!
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/fil...
Pay particular attention to the NOx emissions you know the ones that are bad for you-they are going down every year NOT UP !

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I might be commenting after the horse has bolted but I can't help but feel that a lot of people posting on this site have bought into all of the scaremongering that we are all going to die from respiratory...

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I might be commenting after the horse has bolted but I can't help but feel that a lot of people posting on this site have bought into all of the scaremongering that we are all going to die from respiratory diseases caused by motor vehicles (predominately diesel ones). I would like to make a few observations about the ULEZ:
The start point of charging is surely arbitrary - there is no magic barrier between one side of the North/South Circular or the M25. Toxic fumes travel in the air and are dissipated.
We used to manufacture many things in this country, particularly during the Industrial Revolution, but somewhere along the line our commercial and political leaders decided that it would be better to have the Chinese do it for us, leaving us with crisp, clean air. The Chinese then built new cities and hundreds of coal powered power stations and embarked on a financial splurge on consumer goods and the world's mineral and water rights. The upshot is that their new cities are under a cloud of smog the likes of which we haven't seen since the 1960's. However, this smog doesn't just stay there - it travels around the globe - so the hand wringing about this side or that of the North/South Circular means very little.
The devices you are using to post your comments were invariably manufactured in China and you are not as carbon-neutral as you would like to think. Why do TfL and the local authorities sell the notion that they can reduce emissions on a street by street basis? Why is it that a lot of the roads being closed to through traffic are in more affluent areas, where residents stand to gain from increases in their property value? Why does Kensington & Chelsea have the 2nd longest life expectancy in the country when they have some of the heaviest urban traffic flows?
The much vaunted 9k deaths per year never seems to fluctuate and is never explained in regional differences - those living near the busiest roads should have the highest mortality rates - and the data doesn't filter out respiratory conditions caused by smoking or industrial pollutents and doesn't clearly explain what "early death" is. These are not people dying in the prime of life but they may not be meeting the predicted life-span. The main factor, I believe, is poverty - it kills more people than emissions. Those below the poverty line have a worse diet and more medical complications than those on average earnings and are therefore more susceptible to "early" death.
We do need to plan for the future and reduce (on a global basis) our human detritus but this will need to be done from a much wider perspective than the one adopted by our local authorities and TfL. We badly need the Department of Transport to instigate a review of road and traffic planning in our major cities so that the response is balanced and not the scalpel approach that makes motorists the cancer and local politicians the scalpel.
The main point to remember is that we all need the tansport network for everything we consume. Waging war on commercial diesel vehicles is akin to chewing on your own arm.

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6 months ago we were TALKING about information, warnings, forecasts, etc., and we are currently in a moderate to high pollution period. In the intervening period NOTHING HAS BEEN DONE - JUST MORE TALK!
If the Mayor has to have any value, he...

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6 months ago we were TALKING about information, warnings, forecasts, etc., and we are currently in a moderate to high pollution period. In the intervening period NOTHING HAS BEEN DONE - JUST MORE TALK!
If the Mayor has to have any value, he must demonstrate some ACTION to reduce the levels of pollution in and around London. He must have the courage of his convictions, and the evidence, and BAN DIRTY VEHICLES. Everybody will claim that their vehicle is the exception, when it isn't, and a radical move such as painting double yellow lines on one side of every bus route road would free up the reduced level of traffic, cutting pollution into the bargain.
Not all Paris' range of emergency measures might be practical in London, but which have been tried so far? NONE. Who will be paying the EU's fine on the UK for failing to clean up our air? Not the Mayor, the PM or any other politician - just the UK taxpayer, as per usual.
Let's cut out the talk and give us some radical action ASAP.
I do have a particular vested interest, in that my wife has suffered from COPD for the last 15 years.

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Please look at this and share if you agree ! Very simple really !!

http://talklondon.london.gov.uk/homes-spaces/environment/discussions/ul…

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Hi everyone,

I thought you might like to know that the Mayor has recently announced that he is introducing air quality alerts at bus stops, Tube stations and road-sides across the capital to notify Londoners during the worst incidents of...

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Hi everyone,

I thought you might like to know that the Mayor has recently announced that he is introducing air quality alerts at bus stops, Tube stations and road-sides across the capital to notify Londoners during the worst incidents of air pollution. You can read more about it here: https://www.london.gov.uk/press-releases/mayoral/air-quality-alerts-war…

Thanks again for all your contributions so far.

Christine
Talk London Team

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If awareness encourages restraint or even absence it has to be a good idea. Otherwise it only reduces the pollution here /now by increasing it somewhere else or some other time. That's a no-brainer, n'est-ce pas?

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Hope the measures include the supercars that apart from the noise pollution also emit vast quantifies air pollution - even burning rubber of tires!

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Thanks very much all for your views and ideas posted here. These will all be given to City Hall's environment team.Here's a message from Sadiq on what happens next with the clean air consultation as a whole.

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I do change my routine based on pollution levels. Fortunately I have an employer who istolerant to this, as some aren't. Forcasting in the short term is not as difficult as is suggested. Certain metrological conditions (static high pressure...

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I do change my routine based on pollution levels. Fortunately I have an employer who istolerant to this, as some aren't. Forcasting in the short term is not as difficult as is suggested. Certain metrological conditions (static high pressure systems) are always precursors to high pollutant levels.

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Why not use pollution data recovered from air quality stations throughout the capitol, and scientific knowledge beyond the grasp of most of us, instead of relying on largely sentimental, prejudicial, often imaginitive and always self...

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Why not use pollution data recovered from air quality stations throughout the capitol, and scientific knowledge beyond the grasp of most of us, instead of relying on largely sentimental, prejudicial, often imaginitive and always self-interested reaction from a scientifically uninitiated public.?
I believe I am unaware of the most significant elements of all the most important factors, because I am dependant on government and industry for my information. Both are inevitably biased in their own interests.

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Kings College has very well regarded air pollution measures. Look beyond the immediate headlines and accurate information will be there.

You ask:
Would you want to see information on levels of pollution on the transport network, via text...

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Kings College has very well regarded air pollution measures. Look beyond the immediate headlines and accurate information will be there.

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Would you want to see information on levels of pollution on the transport network, via text, online or email, or maybe on screens on London streets? How likely would you be to notice these and take action like change your journey or mode of transport?

I would like to see information on air pollution in weather forecasts as a general procedure. Text, online, emails all fine, too, but not screens in streets or roads. There's quite enough signage clutter already and after a while people just disregard it, too much to take in.

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Thanks for all your comments so far. It looks like many Talk Londoners would value alerts on air quality levels being provided, but how would you like to receive them?

Would you want to see information on levels of pollution on the transport network, via text, online or email, or maybe on screens on London streets? How likely would you be to notice these and take action like change your journey or mode of transport?

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Yes - all of those, plus added to weather forecasts on radio, TV & in newspapers. Once the pollution levels are adequately publicised, just wait for the clamour for the Mayor and/or central government to DO something to reduce those levels...

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Yes - all of those, plus added to weather forecasts on radio, TV & in newspapers. Once the pollution levels are adequately publicised, just wait for the clamour for the Mayor and/or central government to DO something to reduce those levels.
Will we be out of the EU in time to avoid the penalties they have threatened to impose? Given that Brexit means Brexit, perhaps this might be a factor to consider when deciding when to give formal notice of our decision to break free?

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I would use the odd & even number plates on high pollution days technique. That would focus people's minds on the problem.

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Yes, but................ Insufficient notice of pollution for notification of restrictions

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You may like to register with airTEXT at http://www.airtext.info/. This is a free service funded by London councils which alerts residents to local air pollution in London. I have been registered for some weeks but today is the first day...

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You may like to register with airTEXT at http://www.airtext.info/. This is a free service funded by London councils which alerts residents to local air pollution in London. I have been registered for some weeks but today is the first day to receive a warning of moderate air pollution in my area.

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I think this risks being a displacement activity where we spend money on helping people get around a problem rather than tackling the problem.

I'd like to see evidence from Paris or elsewhere that providing such information does actually...

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I think this risks being a displacement activity where we spend money on helping people get around a problem rather than tackling the problem.

I'd like to see evidence from Paris or elsewhere that providing such information does actually change behaviour - it looks a bit like a cones hotline to me.

And I'd like to see what we would get if we put the money that this scheme would cost into actually reducing pollution instead.

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A website, FB page or email update alerting to particularly high days of pollution would be handy. Incidentally, the very high pollution days seem to be more related to dust and pollution blown in from overseas than traffic in London...

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A website, FB page or email update alerting to particularly high days of pollution would be handy. Incidentally, the very high pollution days seem to be more related to dust and pollution blown in from overseas than traffic in London itself, so the ULEZ and related schemes seem to be a pure tax raising and PR exercise.

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Most nitrogen dioxides and particulates are produced by London traffic, especially diesel vehicles.

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I think you may be misinformed..................... Very high pollution days are more related to days WITHOUT wind to blow the pollution away! Anyway, if this Mayor will DO something about the problem, then more power to his elbow, even if...

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I think you may be misinformed..................... Very high pollution days are more related to days WITHOUT wind to blow the pollution away! Anyway, if this Mayor will DO something about the problem, then more power to his elbow, even if he does raise tax and generates favourable PR too. Just watch somebody suffering from lung disease and see whether you would not agree.

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Yes, I think this would be great.
I'd be particularly keen to see strict restrictions on the use of private cars and ideally also HGVs on high pollution days, with free transport provided.

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Paris is on
Un nouveau plan de lutte contre le bruit routier
http://www.paris.fr/actualites/un-nouveau-plan-de-lutte-contre-le-bruit…
But in French.....
Need to join with fight against "supercars" exceeding noise levels by...

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Paris is on
Un nouveau plan de lutte contre le bruit routier
http://www.paris.fr/actualites/un-nouveau-plan-de-lutte-contre-le-bruit…
But in French.....
Need to join with fight against "supercars" exceeding noise levels by revving and racing and causing much air pollution.
There is a PSPO by RBKC and Met Police but not enough resources though dedicated email for public to report with full details
https://www.rbkc.gov.uk/community-and-local-life/community-safety/publi…

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I already get a daily alert from Kings College.

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I already get a daily alert from Kings College.

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Yes!! Paris is way ahead of us - see Mayor's website