Brexit and moving London forward

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London voted to stay in the European Union, but the country voted to leave. The coming months will bring the start of negotiations that will steer its way forwards through a ‘Brexit’ process and beyond.

Membership of the European Union meant access to the single market - meaning no trade restrictions or tariffs and free movement of services, goods and people between the UK and member countries. What follows could therefore shape future trade, establishment, investment and possibly civic life in general in the capital.

What do you think are the key issues for the capital through this negotiation process and beyond? What are the conditions needed for London to move forward with the UK no longer part of the European Union? How can we unite to build towards a strong future for the capital?

The discussion ran from 28 June 2016 - 28 September 2016

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Considering the UK is already an integrated part of the EU, the question should have been "Should the UK remain a full member of the EU" - YES / NO and the vote decided by a two thirds majority. That aside. I wholeheartedly support Mayor...

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Considering the UK is already an integrated part of the EU, the question should have been "Should the UK remain a full member of the EU" - YES / NO and the vote decided by a two thirds majority. That aside. I wholeheartedly support Mayor Khan in his request for a seat on the governments new EU unit. It is imperative that the Mayor set up a specific population and planning task force. This task force should, as quickly as possible produce a report of 'people and place'. It should lead on ensuring that continental EU citizens rights are secured. Engagement with these communities must broad and inclusive. Planning for all implications of population movement should start following the initial review. We should have a robust plan by sept 1st.

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Time to leave the UK, moving back to Australia

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Me too but the exchange rate is not great. I have to wait a bit I think...

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We have been denighed a say all this time. If you prefer to go back to Aus. That's your choice. But your comment seeks to deigh us our. Have a good journey home.

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Tricky. I think the whole country needs to act as one. London is indeed a bubble within the country. Very successful I know but to some extent it has taken energy away from the regions .
Regardless of Europe where there seems to be no...

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Tricky. I think the whole country needs to act as one. London is indeed a bubble within the country. Very successful I know but to some extent it has taken energy away from the regions .
Regardless of Europe where there seems to be no solution to please everybody we do need a sensible strategy to manage globalisation

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We need fast and fierce action to nip the rising tide of racist attacks in the bud. Windows of shops with 'foreign' owners/managers are smashed in Lewisham; there are people in Hackney who haven't dared go out for several days because they...

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We need fast and fierce action to nip the rising tide of racist attacks in the bud. Windows of shops with 'foreign' owners/managers are smashed in Lewisham; there are people in Hackney who haven't dared go out for several days because they are immediately subjected to racist abuse on the streets. It is everywhere.

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This is the third time I agree with you.

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what a mess - maintaining and strengthening links with other great European cities - address those who feel emboldened to be intolerant and racist - seat at the table to protect London's position in the world, including infrastructure - yes...

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what a mess - maintaining and strengthening links with other great European cities - address those who feel emboldened to be intolerant and racist - seat at the table to protect London's position in the world, including infrastructure - yes London is a pro-EU city and that should be reflected nationally and internationally - something along the lines of the "we are Londoners" approach after bombings

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You are continuing with the line that London can be separate from the UK. I wish people would forget this line and give us here suggestions that work for the UK as a whole after Brexit. Do you mean after the Bombings in '39 etc or the...

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You are continuing with the line that London can be separate from the UK. I wish people would forget this line and give us here suggestions that work for the UK as a whole after Brexit. Do you mean after the Bombings in '39 etc or the bombings by the IRA. The War bombings were received patriotically by the Media and population at that time and everyone responded with a positive attitude, by the time of the IRA terrorists the British media had changed and was not so patriotic against this enemy, and therefor did not promote a common attitude to the population. Then more recently the Muslim bombers at Kings Cross,
great emphasis was put on the mixed ethnicity of the killed and injured as if that was the most important thing about those bombings. Where was the 'Community', there isn't One!
Only selfish perceived interests for London. Don't keep on about London being different, it is as the Capital and the Largest city in Europe, not because there are many non Brits here. This pushing of ethnicity by the Mass Media and many writers here does not help with good ideas to keep London ahead of others Financial Centres. London needs to be Efficient and show our traditional British/ English culture which as been respected all over the world, unfortunately the over emphasis on its Multicultural life does detract from that image. Keep London's reputation as a city which brings together the best brains of Britain and don't get side tracked with fighting against a positive future for Brexit.

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- what Sadiq is doing. A seat at the Brexit negotiating table, in the single market with free movement, keep the bank passport arrangements or whatever they're called. More powers for London especially on housing, get funding for that. If...

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- what Sadiq is doing. A seat at the Brexit negotiating table, in the single market with free movement, keep the bank passport arrangements or whatever they're called. More powers for London especially on housing, get funding for that. If money is short in the forthcoming recession, scrap Crossrail 2 which will just cause 10 more years of disruption in Central London (where I live) - would be better spent tp pacify the disaffected in the north who've voted this nightmare on us. Let's not be too selfish with our money - they already hate us.

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Single market access. London manifestly does not have a problem with freedom of movement. We should seek a "Freeport" arrangement

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There would be huge problems with the rest of England wanting secure borders all round London.

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There would be huge problems with the rest of England wanting secure borders all round London.

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Why, are they as worried as East Germany was with Berlin and everyone wanting to escape?
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Option 1:
Declare London Independence and join EU

Option 2:
Rather than leaving the EU directly. Persuade other developed countries e.g. France, Netherland, Denmark, Spain and Italy etc. (All country join the new club need to met a...

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Option 1:
Declare London Independence and join EU

Option 2:
Rather than leaving the EU directly. Persuade other developed countries e.g. France, Netherland, Denmark, Spain and Italy etc. (All country join the new club need to met a criteria regarding to average household income) to leave together and create a new trade union (not political union) to allow free trade and free movement inside. And this new union can also include countries like Canada, Iceland, Norway (so any country that met the criteria of minimum household income) can join. Then we can negotiate a very good trade deal with the old EU and this time we will be in a much better position and it's time for EU pay us to get a deal, not we pay EU.

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I was an active member of the Remain campaign. However I was very conflicted about it because of the appalling deal that the EU has been setting up in the shape of TTIP. The Referendum seemed an odd, unprecedented and unfortunate political...

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I was an active member of the Remain campaign. However I was very conflicted about it because of the appalling deal that the EU has been setting up in the shape of TTIP. The Referendum seemed an odd, unprecedented and unfortunate political situation in which voting either way would lead to disastrous consequences. I am sincerely hoping that the divisive Brexit vote will not decide UK membership of the EU for all time, but give Britain strength and time to negotiate something genuinely beneficial and acceptable to all.

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You are right, we do not need or want all these new devices that are constantly being Sold to us by media Propaganda. This consumer society is not good for Human kind nor for animal welfare, more Humans less animals, less diversity! Do we...

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You are right, we do not need or want all these new devices that are constantly being Sold to us by media Propaganda. This consumer society is not good for Human kind nor for animal welfare, more Humans less animals, less diversity! Do we really want new, new and more new I doubt it! The young have been targeted to buy, buy,buy which is why they are treated as more important than older people. Seniors don't buy much so they are less valued in our society, they may have the means but they don't spend unnecessarily. If the young were not influenced by propaganda so much they would have a better future.

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The problem you face is that the justification for being paid is that one has made a worthwhile contribution to society. This contribution has historically been measured by the work that one has done, valued by the amount that people are...

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The problem you face is that the justification for being paid is that one has made a worthwhile contribution to society. This contribution has historically been measured by the work that one has done, valued by the amount that people are willing to pay for it.

Since automation means that most manufacturing industries are running at less than full employment (full employment does not only mean that everyone who wants or needs a job can have one, but also that factories are running at full capacity and that the markets can buy everything that is produced), the result of decreasing output is to put even more people out of work and make them dependent on society's willingness to support people who can be represented as non-contributive.

In a globalised system, every sale is made in a competitive environment and most people will buy according to the cheapest option ( as UK farming demonstrates, the need to act as people wish them to act in terms of production, whether animal or vegetable makes them non-competitive globally, unless they are subsidised.). In the past certain markets had a 'local' protection, the cost of transporting the goods were higher than the wage difference then a local market for local goods thrived, but as the cost of transport has been lowered, so the protection of a local market has been eroded.

As the movement of migrants for work has shown, the supply of available labour is vastly in excess of the demand.

The biggest problem facing London, and anywhere else, in a world where transport is low-cost, is simply automation. Various authorities suggest that 40% of all current, productive jobs will have disappeared by the 2050's, replaced by automated systems.

Already there are examples of industries where automation is or shortly will replace large scale human employment. We can look at the iron ore mine in Australia, where there is no significant human input from digging out the ore through to its delivery and loading onto ships. There are already plans for fully automated ships, the US Navy is already running fully autonomous warships. In Europe there was a demonstration of autonomous truck platoons ( convoys of trucks without a driver) over 2500 miles of public roads, to the dockyards of Rotterdam (http://www.logisticsmanager.com/european-truck-platooning-challenge-app…) where the crew on board the trucks was simply there to reassure other road users rather than drive the vehicles. In other threads on TalkLondon the use of autonomous vans is regularly suggested as a solution to traffic congestion, both for human and goods delivery and there have been trials of such vehicles..

The anti-Luddite party suggest that jobs won't disappear but that we will turn increasingly to other tasks, which may be regarded as unnecessary to human existence, but for which some people may pay a sum. Examples already exist, there is no need for some of the complex and beautiful models of engineering, which can take thousands of manhours to manufacure but which find buyers, even when priced in the tens of thousands of pounds, while there is a huge industry centred entirely around creating and documenting fame for people known only for being famous rather than any particular socially beneficail activity on their part.

But while our economy is based on a recognised 'value of productivity' which denies payment for such activities as being a 'supportive partner'; unless and until 'divorce' forces such recognition; any drop in output will be damaging to the economy as a whole.

If people were only influenced to buy what they 'needed' rather than what they desired, there would be mass unemployment possibly to the extent of revolt, rebellion or the extermination of 'useless' mouths. While the latter is regularly derided as unthinkable, one of the central pillars of many people's Brexit expectations is that the volume of 'useless mouths' will be limited and those deemed useless and unentitled will be 'removed from society", usually by removal to another country which will be suffering the same problems.

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But it seems to me there is masses and masses of work to be done in the creation of a better system and in finding solutions for the environmental and social problems which result from current system.

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Must have been disappointing for Reminders to have lost out nationally despite London voting in favour. However it did highlight how London stands outside the rest of the UK and will help achieve greater autonomy

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The truth is that the whole country voted. Just because the majority ( which could only be 3 %,,). Of certain parts voted against brexit is neither here or there. It was a vote out. The media and some politicians are the cause if "...

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The truth is that the whole country voted. Just because the majority ( which could only be 3 %,,). Of certain parts voted against brexit is neither here or there. It was a vote out. The media and some politicians are the cause if " divisions". Do we hold another general election because the voters may have been misled?
Let's leave the u government but remain in reasonable terms with Europe.
We may not get the best terms but we will trade with Europe and the rest of the world. There us not enough space or time to discuss everything but everyone who voted out knew it was not going to be an easy ride.

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Sadly, only two thirds of the country voted. But probably the percentages for and against would have been similar.