Brexit and moving London forward

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London voted to stay in the European Union, but the country voted to leave. The coming months will bring the start of negotiations that will steer its way forwards through a ‘Brexit’ process and beyond.

Membership of the European Union meant access to the single market - meaning no trade restrictions or tariffs and free movement of services, goods and people between the UK and member countries. What follows could therefore shape future trade, establishment, investment and possibly civic life in general in the capital.

What do you think are the key issues for the capital through this negotiation process and beyond? What are the conditions needed for London to move forward with the UK no longer part of the European Union? How can we unite to build towards a strong future for the capital?

The discussion ran from 28 June 2016 - 28 September 2016

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Considering the UK is already an integrated part of the EU, the question should have been "Should the UK remain a full member of the EU" - YES / NO and the vote decided by a two thirds majority. That aside. I wholeheartedly support Mayor...

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Considering the UK is already an integrated part of the EU, the question should have been "Should the UK remain a full member of the EU" - YES / NO and the vote decided by a two thirds majority. That aside. I wholeheartedly support Mayor Khan in his request for a seat on the governments new EU unit. It is imperative that the Mayor set up a specific population and planning task force. This task force should, as quickly as possible produce a report of 'people and place'. It should lead on ensuring that continental EU citizens rights are secured. Engagement with these communities must broad and inclusive. Planning for all implications of population movement should start following the initial review. We should have a robust plan by sept 1st.

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Time to leave the UK, moving back to Australia

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Me too but the exchange rate is not great. I have to wait a bit I think...

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We have been denighed a say all this time. If you prefer to go back to Aus. That's your choice. But your comment seeks to deigh us our. Have a good journey home.

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Tricky. I think the whole country needs to act as one. London is indeed a bubble within the country. Very successful I know but to some extent it has taken energy away from the regions .
Regardless of Europe where there seems to be no...

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Tricky. I think the whole country needs to act as one. London is indeed a bubble within the country. Very successful I know but to some extent it has taken energy away from the regions .
Regardless of Europe where there seems to be no solution to please everybody we do need a sensible strategy to manage globalisation

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We need fast and fierce action to nip the rising tide of racist attacks in the bud. Windows of shops with 'foreign' owners/managers are smashed in Lewisham; there are people in Hackney who haven't dared go out for several days because they...

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We need fast and fierce action to nip the rising tide of racist attacks in the bud. Windows of shops with 'foreign' owners/managers are smashed in Lewisham; there are people in Hackney who haven't dared go out for several days because they are immediately subjected to racist abuse on the streets. It is everywhere.

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This is the third time I agree with you.

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what a mess - maintaining and strengthening links with other great European cities - address those who feel emboldened to be intolerant and racist - seat at the table to protect London's position in the world, including infrastructure - yes...

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what a mess - maintaining and strengthening links with other great European cities - address those who feel emboldened to be intolerant and racist - seat at the table to protect London's position in the world, including infrastructure - yes London is a pro-EU city and that should be reflected nationally and internationally - something along the lines of the "we are Londoners" approach after bombings

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You are continuing with the line that London can be separate from the UK. I wish people would forget this line and give us here suggestions that work for the UK as a whole after Brexit. Do you mean after the Bombings in '39 etc or the...

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You are continuing with the line that London can be separate from the UK. I wish people would forget this line and give us here suggestions that work for the UK as a whole after Brexit. Do you mean after the Bombings in '39 etc or the bombings by the IRA. The War bombings were received patriotically by the Media and population at that time and everyone responded with a positive attitude, by the time of the IRA terrorists the British media had changed and was not so patriotic against this enemy, and therefor did not promote a common attitude to the population. Then more recently the Muslim bombers at Kings Cross,
great emphasis was put on the mixed ethnicity of the killed and injured as if that was the most important thing about those bombings. Where was the 'Community', there isn't One!
Only selfish perceived interests for London. Don't keep on about London being different, it is as the Capital and the Largest city in Europe, not because there are many non Brits here. This pushing of ethnicity by the Mass Media and many writers here does not help with good ideas to keep London ahead of others Financial Centres. London needs to be Efficient and show our traditional British/ English culture which as been respected all over the world, unfortunately the over emphasis on its Multicultural life does detract from that image. Keep London's reputation as a city which brings together the best brains of Britain and don't get side tracked with fighting against a positive future for Brexit.

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- what Sadiq is doing. A seat at the Brexit negotiating table, in the single market with free movement, keep the bank passport arrangements or whatever they're called. More powers for London especially on housing, get funding for that. If...

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- what Sadiq is doing. A seat at the Brexit negotiating table, in the single market with free movement, keep the bank passport arrangements or whatever they're called. More powers for London especially on housing, get funding for that. If money is short in the forthcoming recession, scrap Crossrail 2 which will just cause 10 more years of disruption in Central London (where I live) - would be better spent tp pacify the disaffected in the north who've voted this nightmare on us. Let's not be too selfish with our money - they already hate us.

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Single market access. London manifestly does not have a problem with freedom of movement. We should seek a "Freeport" arrangement

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There would be huge problems with the rest of England wanting secure borders all round London.

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There would be huge problems with the rest of England wanting secure borders all round London.

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Why, are they as worried as East Germany was with Berlin and everyone wanting to escape?
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Option 1:
Declare London Independence and join EU

Option 2:
Rather than leaving the EU directly. Persuade other developed countries e.g. France, Netherland, Denmark, Spain and Italy etc. (All country join the new club need to met a...

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Option 1:
Declare London Independence and join EU

Option 2:
Rather than leaving the EU directly. Persuade other developed countries e.g. France, Netherland, Denmark, Spain and Italy etc. (All country join the new club need to met a criteria regarding to average household income) to leave together and create a new trade union (not political union) to allow free trade and free movement inside. And this new union can also include countries like Canada, Iceland, Norway (so any country that met the criteria of minimum household income) can join. Then we can negotiate a very good trade deal with the old EU and this time we will be in a much better position and it's time for EU pay us to get a deal, not we pay EU.

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I was an active member of the Remain campaign. However I was very conflicted about it because of the appalling deal that the EU has been setting up in the shape of TTIP. The Referendum seemed an odd, unprecedented and unfortunate political...

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I was an active member of the Remain campaign. However I was very conflicted about it because of the appalling deal that the EU has been setting up in the shape of TTIP. The Referendum seemed an odd, unprecedented and unfortunate political situation in which voting either way would lead to disastrous consequences. I am sincerely hoping that the divisive Brexit vote will not decide UK membership of the EU for all time, but give Britain strength and time to negotiate something genuinely beneficial and acceptable to all.

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"that harmonisation of laws was a predictable outcome" is not something the average voter would have been aware of. Like all hindsight, things become clear after they happened. At the time the common market was only that. As I stated...

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"that harmonisation of laws was a predictable outcome" is not something the average voter would have been aware of. Like all hindsight, things become clear after they happened. At the time the common market was only that. As I stated previously, had the voters been told that laws would have to be harmonised to suit other countries rather than the UK, the voters would have said no.

Bearing in mind that in the early seventies, the war for most middle aged was a memory. We had been fighting Europe for hundreds of years and no one was likely to want to join the old enemies in harmonised legislation.

It was a time of trying to move on from the economically stagnant 50's and 60's. Oil was starting to be the driving force we now know it to be with the formation of OPEC and the 1970's restrictions on oil production massively increased world oil prices. Joining a common market was a good idea and still is. However the harmonisation of legislation was not and still isn't.

Ask yourselves which laws have benefited the UK. Human rights - the legalised inability to remove those we do not want from our own country because someone in another country says we can't?
The removal of the original and historic routemaster buses from London streets?
The controlled size of bananas?
The restrictions upon us as to who we may trade with?
The inability for the UK to influence where our billions of pounds of EU contributions go to coupled with weak politicians who have been unable to negotiate a suitable financial arrangement for the UK?
The list goes on and whilst I do mention the bad, I am aware there are some good laws that have been placed upon us.

With regard to football, the outcome of football is not something that affects the way of life or economics of a country. I agree politicians as a whole are not as honest as they should be, it is still unacceptable that the EU was sold, promoted and informed very deliberately as a common market. Afterall, it is common folk and not law makers who voted for us to join.

I do believe they should have been told the truth. It is clear now that the vote in generation have now voted out. Shame in some respects as I believe a common market would have been great for everybody, not just the other Euro countries at the UK's expense.

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OK so why don' we start a petition NOW that the country's future is being shaped? One against multinational organisations rules that keep us in the dark and want to control us behind our backs?
But be aware in the day of instant...

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OK so why don' we start a petition NOW that the country's future is being shaped? One against multinational organisations rules that keep us in the dark and want to control us behind our backs?
But be aware in the day of instant gratification, when people want to have cheap goods, newest iPhone, biggest TV, cheap flights, this will hurt their every day pockets. It will however, be easier to implement wages on which you can live without stressing where is the money for the next bill coming from, without worry whether you will still have a job tomorrow. Maybe we need to start with advertising against consumerism, which is so very bad for this planet. Maybe we should start with campaigning on reducing population, which is expanding to earth's destruction.

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" a predictable outcome" is not something the average voter would have been aware of."

The ONS reports that the average adult today has the abilities in literacy, numeracy and comprehension of an 11 year old child. Eleven year olds are...

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" a predictable outcome" is not something the average voter would have been aware of."

The ONS reports that the average adult today has the abilities in literacy, numeracy and comprehension of an 11 year old child. Eleven year olds are still sticking heir hands into fire to see if it hurts.. It is for this reason that Britain has a representational democracy, while a referendum is simply the expression of inadequate understanding.

Harmonising laws is not done to 'suit other countries' exclusively they are a result of compromise on the part of all the countries involved.

At the time Britain had just gone through the destruction of the Sterling Area because the various countries all wanted to retain their own standards, their own unharmonised laws, their own self interest, it was clear that in order to function without trade barriers laws had to be harmonised.

But, the average voter today or even then simply did not want to know about 'the Sterling Area' but would prefer to repeat the errors of (then ) an immediate past because "it sounded good"

You criticise human rights law, but you haven't specified which of those laws, which we ought to remember were initially created and put forward by Britain, you would be happy to do without.. Moreover the complaint would be more impressive if it did not resort to misrepresentation to back up the reasons:
The RouteMaster bus was removed because the open rear platform constituted an obvious safety risk, and in a litigious society where people were being held responsible for unsafe practices, no bus company or council could fund the compensation claims.

The controlled size of bananas was a trade description. What the directive actually says (you clearly haven't read it) is that categories of bananas can only be sold if properly described. So one could not sell 'dollar' bananas as 'caribbean' bananas or describe 'small' bananas as 'large', and defined what constitued dollar, caribbean, small and large when applied to bananas. The problem was simply that the supermarkets and journalists of a certain disreputability made up a story that the word 'class', used in the context of a group like a school class, was used in the context of quality, as in "first class". One can suspect that this was simply deliberate, the supermarkets used it as an excuse to sell the cheaper 'dollar' bananas at the same price as the more expensive 'Caribbean' bananas, claiming that 'the EU won't allow us to sell Caribbean banans as they are in the same class as Dollar bananas". They relied on the misrepresentations put forward by journalists and the lack of ability or inclination of the 'average adult' to research the facts.

There are no restrictions on trading partners between companies. However no company may break the law as regards the export of goods or the import of goods and the quotas, charges and tariffs that may apply. This has long been the law in Britain, for example, where evading taxes due on the import of goods is called 'smuggling'. Equally, by international agreement, countries cannot simply break trade treaties which they have signed with other countries in order to 'undercut' other signatories of that same agreement. This isn't simply the resul;t of the EU, but is explicit in agreements like the World Trade Organisation, to which the UK is a signatory..

" it is still unacceptable that the EU was sold, promoted and informed very deliberately as a common market. After all, it is common folk and not law makers who voted for us to join."

However it seems clear that the Brexit politicians told lies, distortions and misrepresentations and the fact that the majority of people voting in the referendum admit that they didn't have any clear understanding what they were voting about is acceptable.

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Must have been disappointing for Reminders to have lost out nationally despite London voting in favour. However it did highlight how London stands outside the rest of the UK and will help achieve greater autonomy

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The truth is that the whole country voted. Just because the majority ( which could only be 3 %,,). Of certain parts voted against brexit is neither here or there. It was a vote out. The media and some politicians are the cause if "...

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The truth is that the whole country voted. Just because the majority ( which could only be 3 %,,). Of certain parts voted against brexit is neither here or there. It was a vote out. The media and some politicians are the cause if " divisions". Do we hold another general election because the voters may have been misled?
Let's leave the u government but remain in reasonable terms with Europe.
We may not get the best terms but we will trade with Europe and the rest of the world. There us not enough space or time to discuss everything but everyone who voted out knew it was not going to be an easy ride.

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Sadly, only two thirds of the country voted. But probably the percentages for and against would have been similar.