Cleaning up London’s toxic air
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Paris' most famous boulevard, the Champs-Elysees, will soon be closed to motor traffic on the first Sunday of every month. Nine other routes will also be pedestrianised every Sunday and public holiday, adding to 13 that already restrict traffic as part of the ‘Paris Respire’ anti-pollution programme.
Would you welcome pedestrianisation or car-free days in central London? If not, why not? What are the main benefits, or otherwise, from your perspective?
The discussion ran from 26 April 2016 - 26 July 2016
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Community Member 9 years agoYes please - congestion charge zone car free every Sunday. Bikes and buses and pedestrians only. Worth a try!
rbiellik
Community Member 9 years agoThe Mall (Admiralty Arch to Buck House) is pedestrianized and car-free on Sundays, so in theory it would be feasible to pedestrianize other streets. However, the Mall has no bus routes so if, for example, Piccadilly or Oxford Street were...
Show full commentThe Mall (Admiralty Arch to Buck House) is pedestrianized and car-free on Sundays, so in theory it would be feasible to pedestrianize other streets. However, the Mall has no bus routes so if, for example, Piccadilly or Oxford Street were pedestrianized on Sundays, the buses would need to be rerouted.
Show less of commentI don't feel strongly about cyclists, but would suggest they be separated clearly from pedestrians -- it's not feasible to have cyclists moving at 10-20 kph while Mums are pushing kids in push-chairs at 1-3 kph -- accidents would be inevitable.
Leicester Square and Covent Garden have been permanently pedestrianized for several years. It would be interesting to examine the feasibility of permanently pedestrianizing some other locations such as Whitehall, 7 Dials, Sloane Square, parts of Camden, etc. Of course, delivery vans, refuse collectors and emergency services would still need access to service the residential and commercial properties in those areas, but if it can be done in Covent Garden it should be possible elsewhere.
Talk London
Official Representative 9 years agoThanks all for your comments so far! Some really great discussion and debate happening, which is all being fed in to the relevant teams here at City Hall.
Keep the comments coming!
livehere
Community Member 9 years agoYou could add to that stream of views being fed to teams the idea that high levels of traffic noise and air pollution are bad for shopping and other tourism. I have so often heard tourists from overseas, on Oxford Street, expressing shock...
Show full commentYou could add to that stream of views being fed to teams the idea that high levels of traffic noise and air pollution are bad for shopping and other tourism. I have so often heard tourists from overseas, on Oxford Street, expressing shock and disgust at the traffic and air pollution. If Oxford Street and other major shopping and tourist areas had cleaner air and were quieter with less traffic retailers and tourist attractions would benefit no end from increased sales.
Show less of commentSomeone
Community Member 9 years agoVery true. Our high streets are not pleasant or even safe places to visit. It's another reason to shop online.
GraemeM
Community Member 9 years agoThe best solution of the polluted air problem in the centre of London is to ban people from going there. Their constant breathing in of comparatively fresh air and then breathing out of stale air is a major contributor to the cloud of...
Show full commentThe best solution of the polluted air problem in the centre of London is to ban people from going there. Their constant breathing in of comparatively fresh air and then breathing out of stale air is a major contributor to the cloud of smog that eventually will engulf London.
Show less of commentamencarini
Community Member 9 years agoAir pollution is very worrying and any initiative to reduce it is very welcome. Fewer cars would also compel me to take the bike more.
Whiffmeister
Community Member 9 years agoPedestrianisation would be an ideal as would car free days, however this wouldn't be without risks to business and would necessitate decent planning and effective management. Creating zones solely for public transport (a la Amsterdam or...
Show full commentPedestrianisation would be an ideal as would car free days, however this wouldn't be without risks to business and would necessitate decent planning and effective management. Creating zones solely for public transport (a la Amsterdam or Edinburgh) especially around cultural areas for tourism would be an excellent move but would require serious planning and cost in order to provide effective routing for traffic around those zones and provide infrastructure for business and shops within those zones to be serviced effectively
Show less of commentmaddriver
Community Member 9 years agoWhy not make it completely vehicle free, including bikes? After all the pedestrian element among us don't necessarily see the so called 'benefits' of cycling. As a disabled person, I am unable to cycle and whilst I would have no objection...
Show full commentWhy not make it completely vehicle free, including bikes? After all the pedestrian element among us don't necessarily see the so called 'benefits' of cycling. As a disabled person, I am unable to cycle and whilst I would have no objection to a vehicle free zone now and again, I feel that cyclists should not be allowed to disrupt the rest of us who want to enjoy an occasional stroll without someone whizzing by and shouting at us to clear the way..
Show less of commentBefore all you 'holier than thou' cyclists start spouting your nonsense about the health benefits of cycling, remember that walking is just as healthy and would be a far more pleasurable experience without having look for cyclists who consider they have 'rights' that the rest of us don't.
AlanMoore
Community Member 9 years agoEven in the most cycle friendly cities in Holland there are pedestrianised areas where you're not allowed to cycle. This seems a sensible compromise.. people can for example cycle in, lock up round the back, walk around and do what they're...
Show full commentEven in the most cycle friendly cities in Holland there are pedestrianised areas where you're not allowed to cycle. This seems a sensible compromise.. people can for example cycle in, lock up round the back, walk around and do what they're doing, then cycle home. All silent and pollution free, safe and healthy!
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Community Member 9 years agoPlenty of disabled people cycle, and more would if they thought it safe. On car-free days some of the people who whiz by you might be disabled. Some depend on their bikes to get about. Walking is presumably at least as healthy as cycling...
Show full commentPlenty of disabled people cycle, and more would if they thought it safe. On car-free days some of the people who whiz by you might be disabled. Some depend on their bikes to get about. Walking is presumably at least as healthy as cycling (why do you say the health benefits are nonsense?), but for most people only viable for short distances.
The answer to your question is that the city's air quality crisis (and others) makes it necessary to decrease motor vehicle use. You would benefit from that. Removing obstacles to cycling is an obvious way to do it. If the pedestrian zone is small, secure bike parking at the edge might be good enough. But we should be moving towards sustainable transport infrastructure that allows anyone to cycle virtually door to door. Suitable for children, families, shoppers, tourists, older people and disabled people as well as the commuters in a hurry who are now almost the only people cycling. You should rein in your hostility and think of bike users as faster pedestrians, not some strange and antisocial outgroup. They are just people. Every one of them is a pedestrian too.
I think most of the problems with bikes that people complain of are due to people being unused to mixing with them. Other countries allow cycling on the pavement quite happily, and personally I have never been troubled by anyone on a bike. But clearly quite a lot of people object to mixing with bikes, just as most object to cycling or walking with motor traffic. Separate tracks would benefit everyone.
Show less of commentBigEliz
Community Member 9 years agoIt's a step in the right direction. It would be nice to see the attitude towards private cars change as did the attitude toward cigarettes.
Show full commentIt's a step in the right direction. It would be nice to see the attitude towards private cars change as did the attitude toward cigarettes.
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Community Member 9 years agoI see no purpose in copying a French idea (or one from any other country). I wouldn't welcome changes like this: we've done enough of it. Lets just focus on getting what we've got running as efficiently as possible.
Someone
Community Member 9 years agoPeople have the right to clean air every day, not just on special days. This idea is typical of the half-hearted, do-the-minimum-we-can-get-away-with approach to problems we are used to.
But we have to start somewhere, and if it highlights...
Show full commentPeople have the right to clean air every day, not just on special days. This idea is typical of the half-hearted, do-the-minimum-we-can-get-away-with approach to problems we are used to.
But we have to start somewhere, and if it highlights the potential gains from sustainable traffic management it will be worthwhile. And in response to some of the comments here, yes of course bikes should be allowed in pedestrianised areas. They are there now, and not part of the air quality problem. There should be separate tracks for them where traffic is heavy, but we need those now in any case.
Show less of commentKJL001
Community Member 9 years agoNever. Who wants to turn London into a windswept provincial town? Vehicles are the lifeblood of the city. Wave goodbye to modernity everyone, here come tfl to take us back to pre modernity. Why aren't bicycles regulated?? They need taxing...
Show full commentNever. Who wants to turn London into a windswept provincial town? Vehicles are the lifeblood of the city. Wave goodbye to modernity everyone, here come tfl to take us back to pre modernity. Why aren't bicycles regulated?? They need taxing, insuring and licensing. If it is popular, raise revenue from it.
Show less of commentSomeone
Community Member 9 years agoThe kind of lifeblood that clogs the streets, poisons the air, creates ill-health and disability, damages the environment and drives off the road people who would like to cycle. Over-reliance on cars is a sign of backwardness.
Anonymous - account deleted
Community Member 9 years agoWhat Terry said. Cars are so last century.
angus_h
Community Member 9 years agoI'd welcome this, but even more so in the suburbs - allow people to experience their own local town centres - which most people live within walking distance of - traffic-free. (In some cases it might have to be just part of a town centre...
Show full commentI'd welcome this, but even more so in the suburbs - allow people to experience their own local town centres - which most people live within walking distance of - traffic-free. (In some cases it might have to be just part of a town centre, so as not to disrupt the buses too badly).
Show less of commentChrissymoo
Community Member 9 years agoI think as a driver I'm getting a raw deal, we pay for road usage but everything is being taken away from us, cyclist get lanes but still dont pay insurance and cycle badly, right turns have been taken away because of cyclists so I say no...
Show full commentI think as a driver I'm getting a raw deal, we pay for road usage but everything is being taken away from us, cyclist get lanes but still dont pay insurance and cycle badly, right turns have been taken away because of cyclists so I say no to car free zones as cyclists will no doubt be allowed
Show less of commentangus_h
Community Member 9 years agoDon't assume that cyclists and drivers are necessarily different people. It's tools for getting places, not a religion. The majority of adult cyclists own cars.
Roads are paid out of general taxes - and many responsible cyclists have...
Show full commentDon't assume that cyclists and drivers are necessarily different people. It's tools for getting places, not a religion. The majority of adult cyclists own cars.
Roads are paid out of general taxes - and many responsible cyclists have insurance, it's just not required by law as overall the amount of damage done by irresponsible bike users is relatively (emphasis on relatively) small.
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Community Member 9 years ago" I say no to car free zones as cyclists will no doubt be allowed"
What sort of justification is that?
Anonymous - account deleted
Community Member 9 years agoI agree that there should be pedestrianisation in areas of London at certain times, but maybe have a license system whereby you can apply to be able to drive in these areas on vehicle-free days. For example, if you run a business that needs...
Show full commentI agree that there should be pedestrianisation in areas of London at certain times, but maybe have a license system whereby you can apply to be able to drive in these areas on vehicle-free days. For example, if you run a business that needs access to a pedestrianised area.
Agreed that cyclists should still be able to use pedestrianised areas!
Show less of commentPenelope Riley
Community Member 9 years agoI am 72 and live in sheltered accommodation in Covent Garden. I no longer have a car but do need to hire one occasionally; also, my son comes to see me and take me out/help me in his car on weekends/bank holidays; I need access for taxis...
Show full commentI am 72 and live in sheltered accommodation in Covent Garden. I no longer have a car but do need to hire one occasionally; also, my son comes to see me and take me out/help me in his car on weekends/bank holidays; I need access for taxis/hospital mini-bus. Pedestrianisation of my street (very likely) would seriously affect me as I cannot walk very far (I'm no longer strong enough to ride a bike) but I am not disabled enough to qualify for a disabled badge for my son's car. I am not against pedestrianisation as long as the needs of residents are taken into consideration.
Show less of commentI know London and Paris very well; it is RIDICULOUS to compare the two cities; London did not have a Hausmann to make its major routes into wide boulevards and wide pavements. Air pollution must be tackled here in London as it impacts badly on people of all ages. Lorries and big delivery vehicles are needed to keep our city functioning but there should be time restrictions on them on all days. The congestion charge should be increased for all vehicles, private cars included, that are not low-emission. I wish I could still cycle but I must say that there are too many cyclists with no road sense who put themselves in danger and many have an arrogant attitude to pedestrians: too many times, I have been scared by whiz-kids cutting across pavements, zebra crossings and jumping lights. All cyclists should have third party insurance; at my age, I am too creaky to jump out of the way.
Anonymous - account deleted
Community Member 9 years agoI have experienced Regent Street, on a day when it was pedestrianised, what a pleasure it was. No noise from the traffic, easy to walk from one side of the street to the other. I do think our major shopping streets, could be pedestrianised...
Show full commentI have experienced Regent Street, on a day when it was pedestrianised, what a pleasure it was. No noise from the traffic, easy to walk from one side of the street to the other. I do think our major shopping streets, could be pedestrianised from time to time. It wouldn't suit everyone all the time, especially people who have difficulty walking.
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Community Member 9 years agoClearly none of you are disabled living in the central area and enjoy normal activities with friends and family at the weekend. This happy family time is already ruined by the many days in which London is a pedestrianised zone - Tour de...
Show full commentClearly none of you are disabled living in the central area and enjoy normal activities with friends and family at the weekend. This happy family time is already ruined by the many days in which London is a pedestrianised zone - Tour de France, marathon, Lord Mayor's parade, fireworks etc. Glad you get can on a bike - but spare a thought for the disabled and elderly who can't. This is real inclusive London and not for the young,rich, hip and elite.
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Community Member 9 years agoHear, hear!
livehere
Community Member 9 years agoResidents used to enjoy one community and family day a week, on a Sunday. Then Sunday shopping happened. Now noise and air pollution reign supreme 7 days of the week. But the solution surely is to have alternative electric or lpg transport...
Show full commentResidents used to enjoy one community and family day a week, on a Sunday. Then Sunday shopping happened. Now noise and air pollution reign supreme 7 days of the week. But the solution surely is to have alternative electric or lpg transport available in pedestrianised zones for those who cannot walk or cycle. I for one am sick of the constant ongoing discussions about sustainable transport in central London. Nothing but talk, for decades. No action, or minimal and useless little projects.
Show less of commentLindaMiller
Community Member 9 years agoLovely unless you're disabled. Why is there never any mention of older frail people in these conversations about street closures? Lots of people can only walk very short distances - closing roads to motor traffic means older frail and...
Show full commentLovely unless you're disabled. Why is there never any mention of older frail people in these conversations about street closures? Lots of people can only walk very short distances - closing roads to motor traffic means older frail and disabled people will basically be barred from town centres.
Show less of commentAlanMoore
Community Member 9 years agoI think you'll find this is about the 20th comment about the mobility impaired - I think we're all agreed the disabled should not be excluded.
We don't all agree or know what the solutions might be. Special buses? Disabled car permits...
Show full commentI think you'll find this is about the 20th comment about the mobility impaired - I think we're all agreed the disabled should not be excluded.
We don't all agree or know what the solutions might be. Special buses? Disabled car permits? Mobility scooters? I think a mix of these would probably be needed, to meet a variety of needs.
Show less of commentdlgardner
Community Member 9 years agoLinda, Living Streets is not about closing roads but restricting access so vehicles can still park and pick-up, drop-off but may need to go a longer way around, speed would be restricted and pedestrians and cyclists would have priority....
Show full commentLinda, Living Streets is not about closing roads but restricting access so vehicles can still park and pick-up, drop-off but may need to go a longer way around, speed would be restricted and pedestrians and cyclists would have priority. Ensuring proper spaces for people with disablities who cannot reach the bus stop or use mobility scooters etc. should be as much a priorty as making walking easy for the visually impaired. It will improve everyone's health and opportunities - brining our communities together.
Show less of commentmfilkova
Community Member 9 years agoAbsolutely!. Oxford street should be pedestrian at all times except to go across.
And there should be more bike lanes - properly sized and not just for a block or two until they hit a big road, but over long stretches of road
dlgardner
Community Member 9 years agoIn central London, all roads outside the bus roads should be pedestrianised, allowing cycle lanes and service vehicles. This can be managed by the type of paving, entry treatment, landscaping and ensuring such roads are no through roads...
Show full commentIn central London, all roads outside the bus roads should be pedestrianised, allowing cycle lanes and service vehicles. This can be managed by the type of paving, entry treatment, landscaping and ensuring such roads are no through roads with access only from one side. There may need to be gates/rising bollards at certain points to allow access for emergency vehicles and bin lorries. Outside, the London Plan should set a Living Streets framework with a clear hierarchy in all London's roads of pedestrians first, cyclists second, public transport third and car users last. All non-bus routes should be safe for children to play on with a 20Kph speed limit for cars just t park or service households. Special arrangements will have to apply where access s needed for businesses. All new developments should be designed as car free, with access to car clubs and a few visitor/disabled spaces.
Show less of commentlivehere
Community Member 9 years agoThere is already a clear hierarchy for London roads isn't there? I have seen a map using the various designations. The traffic management industry sees roads only in terms of traffic flow. Residential streets are there to reduce pressure...
Show full commentThere is already a clear hierarchy for London roads isn't there? I have seen a map using the various designations. The traffic management industry sees roads only in terms of traffic flow. Residential streets are there to reduce pressure on main roads in traffic terms, and are not viewed as part of the community environment. TfL planners and designers focus on traffic or pedestrian flows and usage but not on the streets as part of residential neighbourhoods.
Show less of commentlivehere
Community Member 9 years agoI live on a no-through road in central London. It is not pedestrianised because like very many such roads it doubles up as a service bay for a constant stream of noisy delivery vans that have to reverse either in or out of the street, using...
Show full commentI live on a no-through road in central London. It is not pedestrianised because like very many such roads it doubles up as a service bay for a constant stream of noisy delivery vans that have to reverse either in or out of the street, using their reversing alarms. Pedestrianisation needs to go hand in hand with mandatory use of lpg or electric delivery vehicles.
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