Celebrating and recognising our diversity across London's public realm
What suggestions do you have to celebrate and recognise London’s diversity across the public realm?
London is one of the most diverse cities in the world. There are more than 300 languages spoken every day, yet statues, plaques and street names don’t reflect the capital’s diverse population and history.
City Hall is recruiting a Commission for Diversity in the Public Realm. Once set up in December, the Commission will work with boroughs and communities to ensure our street names, squares, statues and monuments tell the full story of London's rich diversity, which includes people from Black, Asian and Minority Ethnic backgrounds, women, LGTBQI+, disabled groups and people from socio-economically disadvantaged backgrounds.
Since the announcement of the Commission, City Hall has received a lot of suggestions from Londoners. For example:
- sculpture trails
- bus stations to celebrate black bus drivers
- new murals
What do you think of these suggestions?
Imagine there were more sites that tell the stories of women, people from Black, Asian and Minority Ethnic backgrounds, LGTBQI+, disabled groups or self-made and working class Londoners. What suggestions do you have to celebrate and recognise London’s diversity across the public realm?
This discussion is co-moderated by the GLA Communities and Social Policy unit who are co-leading the Commission with the GLA Culture and Creative Industries unit.
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Log into your accountPaul Bowers
Community Member 4 years agoWhilst this could be positive would it be better to educate, for example add tge negative to the current statues etc and add something that represented the fight against the current statues negative sides.
Yes some people who currently...
Show full commentWhilst this could be positive would it be better to educate, for example add tge negative to the current statues etc and add something that represented the fight against the current statues negative sides.
Yes some people who currently have statues etc did do some good, but they also performed atrocities or oppressive acts so if we are to keep the statues we currently have lets add the full history to show their bad sides and let people see the full picture to make their own informed decisions instead of the ones society currently wants to portray.
Show less of commenthampshirehog
Community Member 4 years agoStatues represent history and were erected at some time by our predecessors who felt there was good reason for a lasting memorial. It is not our right, morally nor ethically, to demean our ancestry, the ancestry that led to us, by trying...
Show full commentStatues represent history and were erected at some time by our predecessors who felt there was good reason for a lasting memorial. It is not our right, morally nor ethically, to demean our ancestry, the ancestry that led to us, by trying to judge their beliefs and actions by our (often vociferous minority) beliefs. Want a new statue? The collect and pay for it.
Show less of commentPaul Bowers
Community Member 4 years agoHampshirehog you seem to have missed the point to the question.
Yes the statues represent history and were erected for reasons pertinent to that moment but they also reflect historical beliefs and attitudes at the same time. So the...
Show full commentHampshirehog you seem to have missed the point to the question.
Yes the statues represent history and were erected for reasons pertinent to that moment but they also reflect historical beliefs and attitudes at the same time. So the question was why not add to the existing statues the full picture so people can make up their own minds based on the whole picture instead of a snapshot. that way you give a fair and unbiased picture.
From your comment it would appear that you dont want people to think for themselves but to be told what to think instead. Can you honestly say that you want to be told what your attitudes and beliefs are or are you capable of thinking for yourself, because if yiou cannot make your own judgement (based upon your suggestion that if it was there dfor a reason its right) then why is my post wrong.
I also did not in any way request alternative statues i suggested that could be an idea but then pointed towards education and portraying the full story behind the people who we currently have statues of .
If for example there were a statue of someone who had performed a lot of work for charity that a statue was erected of for their charity work who it was later discovered was actually a mass child murder and people didnt want that statue removed why shoukd the truth not be told? Why should people only see the good and not the bad?
Show less of commentRoyP
Community Member 4 years agoHopefully, the Commission will NOT hide any of the unpleasant facts about London's long history. It is vitally important that we also remember those unpleasant facts as well as the good ones to ensure that those unpleasant ones do not ever...
Show full commentHopefully, the Commission will NOT hide any of the unpleasant facts about London's long history. It is vitally important that we also remember those unpleasant facts as well as the good ones to ensure that those unpleasant ones do not ever happen again.
Show less of commentbuildgit
Community Member 4 years agoCould you remember the ordinary Scots that have come to London over the centuries and done ordinary jobs .I know the memorial to the execution of William Wallace on the wall of Guys Hospital as a keynote Scot , but what about ordinary Scots...
Show full commentCould you remember the ordinary Scots that have come to London over the centuries and done ordinary jobs .I know the memorial to the execution of William Wallace on the wall of Guys Hospital as a keynote Scot , but what about ordinary Scots? Some Highlanders might be remembered in the Gaelic language .
Show less of commentlocksocrates
Community Member 4 years agoI think the money would be better spent uncovering and stopping the human exploitation & modern slavery that exists in London. I've no problem of celebrating anyone who has made a positive contribution to the place.
Show full commentI think the money would be better spent uncovering and stopping the human exploitation & modern slavery that exists in London. I've no problem of celebrating anyone who has made a positive contribution to the place.
Show less of commentDodger9949
Community Member 4 years agoAbsolutely no objection to recognising any person regardless of any equality classification providing they have made a significant contribution towards London. To make changes unnecessarily is merely a waste of public resources. Any...
Show full commentAbsolutely no objection to recognising any person regardless of any equality classification providing they have made a significant contribution towards London. To make changes unnecessarily is merely a waste of public resources. Any proposed changes must be open for public consultation and should not proceed unless they are voted for by a majority of the Greater London population.
Show less of commentMike Solomons
Community Member 4 years ago.
Many years ago I visited Israel where I saw that many street signs were tri lingual, Arabic, English and Hebrew, to reflect the native language of the people living there.
Why not consider, as a courtesy towards the various...
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Many years ago I visited Israel where I saw that many street signs were tri lingual, Arabic, English and Hebrew, to reflect the native language of the people living there.
Why not consider, as a courtesy towards the various ethnic groups, putting up street signs in London in up to three languages that are spoken locally?
The cost would be minimal, yet it would give that "warm glow" that comes from local people being included.
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Show less of commentCommission for…
Official Representative 4 years agoHi Mike Solomons.
Thanks for your suggestions. The language used in street signs across the city is an interesting example of how diversity can be reflected in the public realm. We will feed all comments back to the commission.
Commission for Diversity in the Public Realm Team
rose.galvin
Community Member 4 years agoI agree with the above suggestions of murals, sculpture/ art trails etc. Also walking guides ( either guided or as walking trails) of buildings/ areas within a community with cultural/ historic links.
I agree that it is important to...
Show full commentI agree with the above suggestions of murals, sculpture/ art trails etc. Also walking guides ( either guided or as walking trails) of buildings/ areas within a community with cultural/ historic links.
I agree that it is important to remember and celebrate the many contributions of BAME Londoners.
But also to celebrate the contributions of others who have been overlooked in the public realm - 'working class' men and women from all backgrounds.
Show less of commentMediaman
Community Member 4 years agoJust another Khan quango to waste public money! Spend it on hiring more Police instead...
Show full commentJust another Khan quango to waste public money! Spend it on hiring more Police instead...
Show less of commenttuppence
Community Member 4 years agoOne thing I think we too often forget is the so called working class role in the history of London. The glorious buildings all seem to relate to the rich and influential but no consideration is paid to the men and women who created them...
Show full commentOne thing I think we too often forget is the so called working class role in the history of London. The glorious buildings all seem to relate to the rich and influential but no consideration is paid to the men and women who created them. Women of any background are almost invisible in our history unless they were Queen. One would think they did not exist until 1840.
Whatever projects are undertaken should reflect the diversity of London through out its history. I'd love to see a series of "hot spot trails" filling in the background to the people of the area. This need not be an expensive project. London has a number of U3A's and local history groups who I am sure would be happy to advise on the hidden people's London.
hampshirehog
Community Member 4 years agoHistorically diverse groups who arrived and settled in London did in time integrate.
Historically diverse groups who arrived and settled in London did in time integrate.
Frenchcath
Community Member 4 years agoYou're talking about 300 languages but you only mention black/brown people. When Brexit has been the dominant subject in the past 4 years, European citizens also feel victimized and forgotten in the current climate. I propose that you...
Show full commentYou're talking about 300 languages but you only mention black/brown people. When Brexit has been the dominant subject in the past 4 years, European citizens also feel victimized and forgotten in the current climate. I propose that you highlight the fact that a number of white, very English personalities, so-called "national treasures", actually have a European parent or speaks perfect French or whatever or may have roots or links with other countries. The aim is to show some people that London is a melting pot even when they don't expect it.
Show less of commenthampshirehog
Community Member 4 years agoThe country is England, the place is London, the language is English. If you can't speak it then learn it. If you don't want to learn English then don't come to England.
Show full commentThe country is England, the place is London, the language is English. If you can't speak it then learn it. If you don't want to learn English then don't come to England.
Show less of commentwelshn0
Community Member 4 years agoThe status, plaques and street names reflect London's history.
What you are doing here is promoting hate, division, racism and wasting everyone's money. Why?
This policy should be stopped at once.
The status, plaques and street names reflect London's history.
What you are doing here is promoting hate, division, racism and wasting everyone's money. Why?
This policy should be stopped at once.
hampshirehog
Community Member 4 years agoFully agree.
Show full commentFully agree.
Show less of commentSimonL
Community Member 4 years agoTotally agree.
Show full commentTotally agree.
Show less of commentSimonL
Community Member 4 years agoWhat an appallingly irresponsible waste of public money! The money should be spent on ESSENTIAL things and services.
Show full commentWhat an appallingly irresponsible waste of public money! The money should be spent on ESSENTIAL things and services.
Show less of commentleytonexile
Community Member 4 years agoExactly
Show full commentExactly
Show less of commentRoutemaster
Community Member 4 years agoAs if there arent enough real issues to be getting on with. Why??
Show full commentAs if there arent enough real issues to be getting on with. Why??
Show less of commentLee43
Community Member 4 years agoI agree with all the above, but would suggest we also feature and celebrate BAME, etc. surgeons, barristers, nurses, dentists, bankers and other professionals who, too, are a feature of London, as well as successful businessmen and...
Show full commentI agree with all the above, but would suggest we also feature and celebrate BAME, etc. surgeons, barristers, nurses, dentists, bankers and other professionals who, too, are a feature of London, as well as successful businessmen and shopkeepers.
Show less of commenthampshirehog
Community Member 4 years agoYou are proposing a mild form of racial discrimination. Don't need to publicly celebrate groups of people because of their ethnicity and jobs.
Show full commentYou are proposing a mild form of racial discrimination. Don't need to publicly celebrate groups of people because of their ethnicity and jobs.
Show less of commentszkendler
Community Member 4 years agoCould the Mayor's office reach out and support Local Authorities in to deeply consult with communities and local residents on such matters. Public arts, and square/street re-namings are good way of engaging with communities to help them...
Show full commentCould the Mayor's office reach out and support Local Authorities in to deeply consult with communities and local residents on such matters. Public arts, and square/street re-namings are good way of engaging with communities to help them feel ownership and connection to their neighbourhoods and start recognising the positive impacts that people from all different backgrounds have had on London and Britain.
Could I also suggest that these efforts are linked to the re-shaping and upgrading of public spaces within local communities as well.
Show less of commentCommission for…
Official Representative 4 years agoHi Szkendler.
Thanks for your suggestion. The aim of the commission is to work in partnership with councils, communities and stakeholders to ensure street names, squares and statues properly reflect our city's achievements and diversity. We will be sure to feed your comments back regarding the links to developing public spaces.
Commission for Diversity in the Public Realm Team
arik
Community Member 4 years agoRe Bus stations yes celebrate Black drivers but even so there are more women drivers , Sikhs , Asians and they too need recognition for their contributions
The Jewish Community has had a significant impact on London. The East End was...
Show full commentRe Bus stations yes celebrate Black drivers but even so there are more women drivers , Sikhs , Asians and they too need recognition for their contributions
The Jewish Community has had a significant impact on London. The East End was famous in it's time . It would be nice to have small , socially distanced tours . There is The Jewish Museaum in Camden. The impact of the Jewish community on the arts . Socially distanced talks .
The Sikh community . I feel is a very quiet community. It would be nice to know more about their culture.
Paperfriend had valid points particularly The Battle of Cable Street where cultures got together . We can learn from it . How important the coming together was to fight racism
Show less of commentSally Eva
Community Member 4 years agoWhite working class communities should be supported to celebrate their own history. Often, I think, they feel threatened. They should be supported. Plus, as Arik says, the smaller communities that go to make up London, the Huguenots. the...
Show full commentWhite working class communities should be supported to celebrate their own history. Often, I think, they feel threatened. They should be supported. Plus, as Arik says, the smaller communities that go to make up London, the Huguenots. the Jews, the Sudanese and the Iranians. I think street signs in several languages is a brilliant idea.
Show less of commentCommission for…
Official Representative 4 years agoHi Arik.
Thanks for your suggestions of how we could celebrate these communities. The Commission will work to ensure that public realm across London tells a more complete story of London's history and commemorates those from every community who have made London what it is. We will be sure to feed your comments back.
Commission for Diversity in the Public Realm Team
opal1
Community Member 4 years agoI'm a person of colour and feeling outside of the current discussions around race, ethnicity etc. I particularly feel unhappy with the term BAME that seems to lump people of colour together. Much of the themes and discussions are making...
Show full commentI'm a person of colour and feeling outside of the current discussions around race, ethnicity etc. I particularly feel unhappy with the term BAME that seems to lump people of colour together. Much of the themes and discussions are making cultural groupings within BAME appear as 'problematic' or that all cultural groups within BAME need more help than all other groups in society.
Agree to the change of names of streets/places if historical events in that place etc have been overlooked or purposely buried but it shouldn't just be something to do instead of real actions to help an area - for example the attainment gap.
Paul Bowers
Community Member 4 years agoHello Opal
I have heard similar comment from my friends from other backgrounds, and can understand why it causes offense as you are not the same yet are all categorized under one heading, as there will always need to be a term that can...
Show full commentHello Opal
I have heard similar comment from my friends from other backgrounds, and can understand why it causes offense as you are not the same yet are all categorized under one heading, as there will always need to be a term that can be used and agreed upon amongst general society i wondered if you had any suggestions for alternatives that could be used for the purposes of equal opportunities measuring, on the assumption that an all encompassing term needs to be used.
Show less of commentCommission for…
Official Representative 4 years agoHi Opal1. Thanks for voicing your concerns around the use of language, and highlighting the importance of the additional work to support communities beyond the commission. This is important and we will be feeding all comments back.
Comission for Diversity in the Public Realm team.
msn.com
Community Member 4 years agoI echo "Paperfriend". Far too much local history has been lost,forgotten or erased. Traveling in South America I was continually impressed by the number, range and size of murals which appeared even in small villages. Whilst many had a...
Show full commentI echo "Paperfriend". Far too much local history has been lost,forgotten or erased. Traveling in South America I was continually impressed by the number, range and size of murals which appeared even in small villages. Whilst many had a political theme, e.g. the struggle for freedom, they were nonetheless well crafted and obviously appreciated by young and old as they were free from the graffiti - which is often not the case in Europe.
With regard to statues, where a notable is controversial (and which one is not these days!) lets have a plaque attached to each giving a full explanation of both the benefit the individual gave to our society and the harm they may have done to other societies in order to achieve it.
On a more sardonic note. I hope the Commission is not going to start changing current street names, e.g. Blackstock Road to BAMEstock.Road. :)
Show less of commentN21 2RW
Community Member 4 years agoSimply save our Buses and Tube lines before Oct 17.
Show full commentSimply save our Buses and Tube lines before Oct 17.
Show less of commentleytonexile
Community Member 4 years agoAnd stop wasting huge sums of money on ridiculous schemes like this.
Show full commentAnd stop wasting huge sums of money on ridiculous schemes like this.
Show less of commentgigifgreen
Community Member 4 years agoWhat do the statues, plaques (but most relevant to this question) street names currently represent?
Show full commentWhat do the statues, plaques (but most relevant to this question) street names currently represent?
Show less of commentpaperfriend
Community Member 4 years agoIn terms of introducing art and cultural, local iconography into the public realm, I think there's a lot to be learnt from the recent (great) London Mural Festival. The incidental placing of many of the murals meant they could be...
Show full commentIn terms of introducing art and cultural, local iconography into the public realm, I think there's a lot to be learnt from the recent (great) London Mural Festival. The incidental placing of many of the murals meant they could be experienced just by walking past, and there was clearly an effort to concentrate a lot of the pieces in places throughout East London in particular that perhaps don't have a lot of investment in public spaces. Artists were not asked to follow any particular theme so there's a big opportunity to build on the success of the festival and introduce vital representations of overlooked, under-reported or forgotten stories of the non-white history of London. One of my favourite murals is the Battle of Cable Street, the anniversary of which occurred recently, and for obvious reasons it remains a really popular and well-known piece of public art and history. I would also suggest a focus on placing these works in high-traffic areas where people can stop and look, especially if the story being represented relates to the local area.
Show less of commentCommission for…
Official Representative 4 years agoHi Paperfriend.
Thank you for your interesting example of the London Mural Festival and its success. We will be sure to feed these back.
Commission for Diversity in the Public Realm Team