Celebrating and recognising our diversity across London's public realm
What suggestions do you have to celebrate and recognise London’s diversity across the public realm?
London is one of the most diverse cities in the world. There are more than 300 languages spoken every day, yet statues, plaques and street names don’t reflect the capital’s diverse population and history.
City Hall is recruiting a Commission for Diversity in the Public Realm. Once set up in December, the Commission will work with boroughs and communities to ensure our street names, squares, statues and monuments tell the full story of London's rich diversity, which includes people from Black, Asian and Minority Ethnic backgrounds, women, LGTBQI+, disabled groups and people from socio-economically disadvantaged backgrounds.
Since the announcement of the Commission, City Hall has received a lot of suggestions from Londoners. For example:
- sculpture trails
- bus stations to celebrate black bus drivers
- new murals
What do you think of these suggestions?
Imagine there were more sites that tell the stories of women, people from Black, Asian and Minority Ethnic backgrounds, LGTBQI+, disabled groups or self-made and working class Londoners. What suggestions do you have to celebrate and recognise London’s diversity across the public realm?
This discussion is co-moderated by the GLA Communities and Social Policy unit who are co-leading the Commission with the GLA Culture and Creative Industries unit.
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Community Member 3 years agoI think the major issue here is the budget involved & who pays for it. Some of the Victorian statues have the inscription "By Public Subscription" on them & bI think one has the rider " of whom ythe most numerous were common soldiers" (I...
Show full commentI think the major issue here is the budget involved & who pays for it. Some of the Victorian statues have the inscription "By Public Subscription" on them & bI think one has the rider " of whom ythe most numerous were common soldiers" (I think that was on General Havelock in Trafalgar Square. It would be interesting to know how existing statues were paid for & whether we are prepared to pay up for new ones. Probably not so much of a priority at present. That aside, who should be represented ? Alan Turing is now an LGBTQ icon although we might want a memorial to him for sort of winning WW2. Black campaigners fir the abolition of slavery seem to get obscured - Olaudah Equiano & Ignacio Sanchez. I can't see how street names & Blue Plaques can be that expensive. I am the most white English person I know, but given the number of black people in London historically, such people are most likely amongst my ancestors.
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Community Member 3 years agoI am totally beyond disgusted by these proposals. Stop wasting our money and make efforts to restore London to a place we were once proud of. Concentrate on increased crime. Stop adding cycle lanes, causing traffic chaos whilst...
Show full commentI am totally beyond disgusted by these proposals. Stop wasting our money and make efforts to restore London to a place we were once proud of. Concentrate on increased crime. Stop adding cycle lanes, causing traffic chaos whilst punishing car and trade vehicle owners. London is dying and people were staying away from it, even before covid.
You, Mr Khan, are destroying our city.
Oliver1234
Community Member 3 years agoI definitely agree we should instead be focusing on making London the city we can be proud of again. And this initiative is a total waste of time and money. But getting more people cycling and reducing polluting old cars and taxis has to be...
Show full commentI definitely agree we should instead be focusing on making London the city we can be proud of again. And this initiative is a total waste of time and money. But getting more people cycling and reducing polluting old cars and taxis has to be good, no? Sorry if this impacts your livelihood - I sympathise with that if it does.
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Community Member 3 years agoI am a "minority" immigrant in London, and I do not want to see London change to fit me and my culture.
So what you are proposing is that you want to force-represent "Black, Asian and Minority Ethnic backgrounds, women, LGTBQI+, disabled...
Show full commentI am a "minority" immigrant in London, and I do not want to see London change to fit me and my culture.
So what you are proposing is that you want to force-represent "Black, Asian and Minority Ethnic backgrounds, women, LGTBQI+, disabled groups and people from socio-economically disadvantaged backgrounds" in street names, squares, statues and monuments.
If there are well-known black historical figures then sure, go ahead and celebrate them as part of UK history and creating NEW monuments, not replacing or re-branding existing ones. While I understand that under-represented groups should have fair opportunity and ablity to represent themselves in London, they should never force diversity and ironically, be over-represented than others.
Also why is this obsession with diversity and forced representation at all? London represents England, it's history, not the plaques. statues and street names of 300 langauges spoken in it. It's absurd to think this as a problem for London.
Under the banner of "diversity" all is done is removal of "problematic" statues which are part of British history in very violent, aggressive and self-shaming manner, completelty not civil or a just way. Diversity basically means anti-white and especially anti-white-male. We all know that.
What is the point of celebrating black bus drivers? Why segragate a race in one proffesion and celebrate that? Sounds racist to me.
You want to celebrate bus drivers? OK. Why celebrate speicifc colours of their skin? Whats there to celebrate in it? A celebration of one skin colour is dangerously similar to what actual fascists approve.
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Community Member 3 years agoWell said :-)
Dukemulti
Community Member 3 years agoAnother Commission? what value will they bring?
Money is better spent on real world issues such as overall Transport Infrastucture, Education, Housing etc.
Oliver1234
Community Member 3 years agoWell said!! :)
Jan259
Community Member 3 years agoIronic that intolerance seems to be surfacing here (GLA consultation on public realm) during 2020 National Hate Crime Awareness Week
So hope I'm NOT gonna get flamed for my anodyne suggestion that Public Realm should take more account of...
Show full commentIronic that intolerance seems to be surfacing here (GLA consultation on public realm) during 2020 National Hate Crime Awareness Week
So hope I'm NOT gonna get flamed for my anodyne suggestion that Public Realm should take more account of level access to better meet needs of many groups of Londoners - people with prams, with wheelchairs, people with limiting health conditions, people carrying stuff etc - so YES to more Sculpture/Art trails, more/better signage at significant transport nodes and more cool street art - but can we make sure they are (and remain) accessible
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Community Member 3 years agoHow about you stop wasting our money on this stuff and put some serious effort in tackling crime (real crime... you now stuff like burglaries and gangs) and other real social plagues like litter?? This city in literally drowning in trash...
Show full commentHow about you stop wasting our money on this stuff and put some serious effort in tackling crime (real crime... you now stuff like burglaries and gangs) and other real social plagues like litter?? This city in literally drowning in trash and it gets worse every day.
If you want to celebrate bus drivers give them a raise (to all not just black).
TanyaDias
Community Member 3 years agoA better use of the money is to ensure contractually that all businesses located in London embrace diversity and inclusion with quarterly submissions of reports on their recruitment practices, promotion practices, performance review...
Show full commentA better use of the money is to ensure contractually that all businesses located in London embrace diversity and inclusion with quarterly submissions of reports on their recruitment practices, promotion practices, performance review practices and redundancy practices. That would get more unemployed Londoners back into employment or keep them in employment in a way changing statues and street names won't. Changing statues and street names in the public realm is just a superficial exercise that doesn't address discrimination some Londoners experience day to day.
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Community Member 3 years agoPut plaques beside monuments, statues etc giving their history with online links to further explanations. We must learn from our past mistakes, not bury them.
As for today's favourites, how many will pass muster with future generations...
Show full commentPut plaques beside monuments, statues etc giving their history with online links to further explanations. We must learn from our past mistakes, not bury them.
As for today's favourites, how many will pass muster with future generations? Even the saintly Attenborough admits to eating the flesh of animals. JK Rowling is already on the naughty step. The Queen's statue won't last long due to her ancestors' behaviours.
Have you ever supported military intervention? Wore leather? wool? disrepected anyone? Killed a spider? gambled? drank alcohol, taken mind-altering drugs, taken vaccines obtained through animal experiments, let alone wore cosmetics?
Let's hope future generations are not as intolerant as our current one or we're all dammed. Still, what have the future generations ever done for us?
Cedricus
Community Member 3 years agoFind ways to fund such projects other than imposition on the residents of London who are overburdened already.
Let things evolve naturally rather than imposing an agenda based on divisive labels and other fake criteria.
Reflect the true...
Show full commentFind ways to fund such projects other than imposition on the residents of London who are overburdened already.
Let things evolve naturally rather than imposing an agenda based on divisive labels and other fake criteria.
Reflect the true history of London and the UK and not some idealised version of it.
Do not try to enforce conformity on the London public, it will be ignored.
andrewdf2
Community Member 3 years agoAnother waste of money from a Mayor that is only interested in himself, his ego, and his self publicity! The chance to get a decent Mayor cannot come too soon!!
Rev.Alex
Community Member 3 years agoCelebrating our past and present is important if we want to build towards our future, but this celebration needs to be carefully measured so that we do not celebrate the good by excluding or covering up the bad. We need to be honest about...
Show full commentCelebrating our past and present is important if we want to build towards our future, but this celebration needs to be carefully measured so that we do not celebrate the good by excluding or covering up the bad. We need to be honest about our past and give long overdue attention to those that have been edited out of our history.
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Official Representative 3 years agoHi Rev Alex.
Thanks for raising this point. One element that the commission will consider is how we can tell a more accurate story of our city and its history through public realm. The scope will be wide and include commemoration, murals, street art, street names and memorials. We are reiewing all comments and will be sure to feed back your suggestions.
Commission for Diversity in the Public Realm Team.
Brian Of Erith
Community Member 3 years agoYet another waste of money idea from from the biggest waste of money that the London Council tax payers are forced to fund. Maybe a better idea is to scrap the post of Mayor and get rid of he useless bunch of deputies. Hopefully the people...
Show full commentYet another waste of money idea from from the biggest waste of money that the London Council tax payers are forced to fund. Maybe a better idea is to scrap the post of Mayor and get rid of he useless bunch of deputies. Hopefully the people of London will vote out the present totally useless mayor. Then we might get a proper person who can do the job. Maybe Mt Khan could do Londoners a favour and resign!!! Taking the Fat Cst advisors and hangers on with him.
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Community Member 3 years agoRemove all the monarchical names from streets, squares, roads, buildings and replace them with the names of artists, doctors, poets, dramatists, inventors and half must be women. Represent the people not the ruling elite who were never...
Show full commentRemove all the monarchical names from streets, squares, roads, buildings and replace them with the names of artists, doctors, poets, dramatists, inventors and half must be women. Represent the people not the ruling elite who were never democratically elected.
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Community Member 3 years agoThis really is not a good idea, who is actually asking for this? You are causing division and tension when we really do not need it -Please stop it. Londoners get on fine as we are, you are making a problem not addressing one. Wasting money...
Show full commentThis really is not a good idea, who is actually asking for this? You are causing division and tension when we really do not need it -Please stop it. Londoners get on fine as we are, you are making a problem not addressing one. Wasting money and time that could be better spent elsewhere....on our children would be a good start
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Community Member 3 years agoSorry to burst your "fine" bubble, but Londoners are far from fine especially the BAME Londoners!! A massive problem is amongst us right now and it's called INEQUALITY!!!!!!
talk_london_us…
Community Member 3 years agoWhy not celebrate the achievements of Londoners as people without regard to these sub classifications. Obsession with increasingly granular subdivisions of humanity is divisive
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Community Member 3 years agoRather than being embarassed by the actions by some in the past, can we not move towards being more positive? Sport plays an important part of many lives, so should we think of marking this in our towns and various sport locations? We...
Show full commentRather than being embarassed by the actions by some in the past, can we not move towards being more positive? Sport plays an important part of many lives, so should we think of marking this in our towns and various sport locations? We already have commemorative "heritage" plaques on buildings: so how about stainless steel plaques set into the pavement to recognise past champions near the gyms, sports centres, courts and pitches that were their base and inspiration?
One should also remember that there is a need to be rigorous: as an example, in 1988 Selous Street in Camden Town was seen by the Council to have links to the Selous Scouts, a body set up in 1973 that did not find favour with some in Southern Africa.
The name was therefore changed (at some expense) by the Council. Subsequently it transpired that the Victorian street was not named after the militaristic group, but seemingly after a local person of the Victorian/Edwardian era, described as it happens as an early "conservationist".
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Community Member 3 years agoIt is laudable to recognise London's diversity but great care must be taken not to over empasise the diversity in the past. Quotas should be avoided and the criteria used in chosing who to commemorate, in any way, should be impartial as to...
Show full commentIt is laudable to recognise London's diversity but great care must be taken not to over empasise the diversity in the past. Quotas should be avoided and the criteria used in chosing who to commemorate, in any way, should be impartial as to colour, sex, sexual orientation etc and based purely on merit.
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Community Member 3 years ago"Talk London" why have you ignored most of the comments against the proposal? Please stop push the race hate agenda.
Talk London
Official Representative 3 years agoHi everyone and thank you for sharing your views and suggestions in this discussion.
Some of you have asked why City Hall is setting up this Commission. The Mayor is committed to ensuring that the capital’s population and history are celebrated and commemorated. The idea for the Commission came about in 2018, following the unveiling of the statue of suffragist leader Millicent Fawcett in Parliament Square, the first statue of a woman in the Square. And more recently, the Black Lives Matter movement has raised the importance of diverse representation in our society as a matter of urgency.
A few of you have mentioned involving local communities in the process. Once set-up, the Commission will indeed work with London boroughs and partners across the city. It will make recommendations for new commissions, including of statues, memorials, blue plaques, commemorations, murals, street art, street names and more; provide an overview of existing public art and the public realm in London; and create best practice on commissioning works.
Imagine there were more sites that tell the stories of women, people from Black, Asian and Minority Ethnic backgrounds, LGTBQI+, disabled groups or self-made and working class Londoners. What suggestions do you have to celebrate and recognise London’s diversity across the public realm?
Talk London
Julia lafene
Community Member 3 years agoI do agree that 'hidden history' should be told, but that does not mean that existing history should be ignored. As one of the comments said, the people remembered by statues might have done evil, but they also did good. Statues should not...
Show full commentI do agree that 'hidden history' should be told, but that does not mean that existing history should be ignored. As one of the comments said, the people remembered by statues might have done evil, but they also did good. Statues should not be removed but perhaps have plaques attached giving details of their achievements AND their failings.
It is important to preserve a balance. You mention working class Londoners. I have seen an excellent example of remembering them at the Tower Bridge museum, which shows ALL the workers involved in its construction.
Some people are against diversity because they think it's divisive - this just need not be! It is interesting and enriching. Many of us who imagine we only have 'one' culture or background might find many if we dig a little deeper.
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