More energy-efficient homes in London

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1089 Londoners have responded | 09/01/2024 - 18/02/2024

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The Mayor has an ambitious target for London to reach net zero by 2030. 

Net zero is the idea of reducing our carbon dioxide emissions down to zero. In other words, the amount of harmful emissions we add to the atmosphere should be equal to or less than what we take out. 

Did you know that heating homes and buildings with oil, gas or coal produces the biggest source of carbon emissions in the UK? 

City Hall is working with local councils to create Local Area Energy Plans. These plans set out how your local council can help reach net zero. It will include the views of experts and Londoners, and explore more sustainable solutions. 

Join in the discussion below and help shape your Local Area Energy Plan. 

  • After taking our survey, which energy-efficiency measures would you most likely consider for your home, and why? 
  • Imagine you were to upgrade or replace your current heating system to make it more energy efficient - perhaps you already have. What are the main challenges or barriers you could think of? What would help mitigate these? 
  • Heat networks (also known as district heating) supply heat from a central source to consumers, via a network of underground pipes carrying hot water. Would you like your borough to install a heat network? Why or why not? 
  • Anything else you’d like to share on this topic? 

This discussion is co-moderated by Emma and Isobel from City Hall's Infrastructure team.  

The discussion ran from 09 January 2024 - 18 February 2024

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Why not take the heat from the Underground (perhaps you could filter out the pollution at the same time and make that mode of transport safer)?

Consult Southampton University and the University of Lincoln/East Anglia who are doing sterling...

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Why not take the heat from the Underground (perhaps you could filter out the pollution at the same time and make that mode of transport safer)?

Consult Southampton University and the University of Lincoln/East Anglia who are doing sterling works regarding biowires and biochains. These are micro-organisms, which reproduce by division, and which, if you give them the correct food, produce electricity. A potential application is for them to feed off something in bricks so future buildings will be energy self-sufficient. Explore this technology please.As usual the questions in this survey just don't give  the answers I would like to give. I don't heat my flat. I heat the person not the home. 

Most London flats are tiny - where would the battery be situated?  I wouldn't trust a battery charging in my home (or in the flats in my block) because of the risk of fire. Has the LFB been consulted on this? How can you install solar panels or heat pumps in leasehold flats? Wouldn't you need to negotiate with the freeholders or right to manage companies of blocks of flats? 

 

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Friends have seen schemes using waste heat from the Underground.  I see there's one at Bunhill Row and thought there was one in Camden too.  But you don't necessarily need a source of waste heat - eg ground-source heat pumps could be sited...

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Friends have seen schemes using waste heat from the Underground.  I see there's one at Bunhill Row and thought there was one in Camden too.  But you don't necessarily need a source of waste heat - eg ground-source heat pumps could be sited under the nearest park.

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You are right to be very concerned about batteries. And also right to be concerned about those in flats - all these alleged 'green' policies seem designed to make life for those less well off more difficult. 

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You are right to be very concerned about batteries. And also right to be concerned about those in flats - all these alleged 'green' policies seem designed to make life for those less well off more difficult. 

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It's hard to find reliable information about insulating Victorian and Edwardian terraced houses. I would like to insulate my home better, but the advice on what to do seems to change from year to year. What is best practice? How do you...

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It's hard to find reliable information about insulating Victorian and Edwardian terraced houses. I would like to insulate my home better, but the advice on what to do seems to change from year to year. What is best practice? How do you avoid problems with cold bridging, or damp in the home? Are there people trained to give advice on this? If so, how do you find them, and are they accountable if their advice turns out to be wrong?

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The best place to start I am told is with a Retrofit Assessor, although there aren't enough of them.  Organisations like LETI and HEET may give good info.  Central government plans keep changing.  There was a service called Simple Energy...

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The best place to start I am told is with a Retrofit Assessor, although there aren't enough of them.  Organisations like LETI and HEET may give good info.  Central government plans keep changing.  There was a service called Simple Energy Advice but that's now part of the gov uk site.  The Mayor's schemes used to use Retrofitworks, but I don't know if they still do.

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Thank you. That's helpful. 

 

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Thank you. That's helpful. 

 

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A number of South London Councils have been taken to task as well as many landlords for allowing their tenants to live in premises with incipient mould. Whilst we all know that such conditions are bad for health, the tenants themselves are...

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A number of South London Councils have been taken to task as well as many landlords for allowing their tenants to live in premises with incipient mould. Whilst we all know that such conditions are bad for health, the tenants themselves are often blamed - usually for drying clothes, cooking, boiling kettles etcetera. Such conditions are usually brought about by moisture-laden air coming into contact with cold surfaces. In other words poor insulation, poor ventilation and unaffordable heating. The subject of the survey and this discussion is surely the resolution of this problem.

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Right. It's not like tenants want to harm their health with fungal spores.... One technology that I think might be really useful and relatively cheap is 'smart air bricks'.  They open according to the humidity and temperature inside and...

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Right. It's not like tenants want to harm their health with fungal spores.... One technology that I think might be really useful and relatively cheap is 'smart air bricks'.  They open according to the humidity and temperature inside and outside, so provide ventilation in an energy-efficient way.

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If they could be guaranteed not to be able to be blocked off or interfered with by residents then they'd be a great way forward. 

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If they could be guaranteed not to be able to be blocked off or interfered with by residents then they'd be a great way forward. 

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Having been involved with a charity that rents out properties for an income I can tell you that tenants are frequently to blame. They turn off extract fans, fail to open windows, and are then surprised when mould appears.

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I leave in block of flats in a 1900 building. Some emerry decision hAve to be talen by all the owners

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I'm sure many people would like, in theory, to improve the energy efficiency of their homes, to reduce both bills and pollution.  However, in London much of the housing stock is old and possibly unsuitable for much alteration to achieve...

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I'm sure many people would like, in theory, to improve the energy efficiency of their homes, to reduce both bills and pollution.  However, in London much of the housing stock is old and possibly unsuitable for much alteration to achieve this.   

Also, there is a large capital cost to residents and local authorities in a time of government-imposed austerity which further reduces the chance of a quick solution.  Especially when the government is actively promoting further investment in fossil fuel exploration and production, which does not bode well for energy reduction schemes to receive official support.

I think the public in general is aware of environmental concerns and would be willing to do something to help but this would need positive encouragement and specific help from the government which is unlikely to be forthcoming from the current regime.

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Ill-designed and misdirected survey.  The key will be central government funding.  The role of the Mayor and Councils may be to argue for a disproportionate share of this funding, given that a lot of London housing is old and ill-suited to...

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Ill-designed and misdirected survey.  The key will be central government funding.  The role of the Mayor and Councils may be to argue for a disproportionate share of this funding, given that a lot of London housing is old and ill-suited to any economic solution.  And that's before the mass hum of heat pumps  is blamed as a new health and well-being hazard.

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How does the Mayor imagine that heat pumps could be installed in flats in a large block? Only flats with a balcony or roof terrace have outside space. If they install heat pumps it will cause noise disturbance to neighbouring flats. Flats...

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How does the Mayor imagine that heat pumps could be installed in flats in a large block? Only flats with a balcony or roof terrace have outside space. If they install heat pumps it will cause noise disturbance to neighbouring flats. Flats with no balcony cannot install heat pumps. Even if there is a basement garage it is not possible to connect a heat pump and its external apparatus across several storeys. 
As for communal EVCs, this is impossible in a garage where all parking bays are privately owned. The electricity supply is not sufficient for every bay to have its own EVC. Moreover there would be a fire risk to have cars charging in a basement of a residential block. I don’t think the Mayor has thought through how his (theoretically admirable) policies can be applied to existing blocks of flats. New ones, yes, of course planning rules should require it. 

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It depends on the block of flats.  I'm in a large purpose-built block with residential and commercial, and its own electricity substation built in.  Our management company had a contractor install the necessary power infrastructure in the...

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It depends on the block of flats.  I'm in a large purpose-built block with residential and commercial, and its own electricity substation built in.  Our management company had a contractor install the necessary power infrastructure in the basement car park, and each parking space owner can now decide whether to pay to get a charger installed in their space.  It's great to have the option.

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It's an excellent idea for some London-ers but what about those of us who don't/cannot drive for medical reasons and so do not have allocated parking in their newbuild?

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It probably doesn't make sense for each flat in a block to have its own air-source heat pump.  That is where the heat networks come in.

Electricity, including high-current applications, is not a fire risk if properly installed.  Yes, it...

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It probably doesn't make sense for each flat in a block to have its own air-source heat pump.  That is where the heat networks come in.

Electricity, including high-current applications, is not a fire risk if properly installed.  Yes, it should be properly inspected and regulated - Peter Apps showed councils should not have cut fire inspectors. 

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TO ACHIEVE ANY CLIMATE CHANGE MODIFICATIONS, THE MAYOR OF LONDON SHOULD REQUIRE THAT ALL LOCAL AUTHORITIES MUST PRIORITISE ENVIRONMENTAL POLICIES OVER ALL OTHER POLICIES IN PLANNING DECISIONS.

From now, local authorities should not consent...

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TO ACHIEVE ANY CLIMATE CHANGE MODIFICATIONS, THE MAYOR OF LONDON SHOULD REQUIRE THAT ALL LOCAL AUTHORITIES MUST PRIORITISE ENVIRONMENTAL POLICIES OVER ALL OTHER POLICIES IN PLANNING DECISIONS.

From now, local authorities should not consent to any planning application that does not include full insulation to current specifications. Multiple-story buildings should be entirely self sufficient in energy production, that is off-grid. 

Planning saga

In 2019 we applied to install in-roof solar panels. To include sufficient south facing roof areas to make solar viable for the house, we could change two dormer roof windows into two gable roof windows. The planning application was in full compliance with all environmental policies in the Nation Planning Policy Framework then current. Gable replacement windows were in keeping with the Victorian age of the house and already existed on a neighbouring house. The local council refused on the grounds of "appearance". After 11 months, the local council agreed. By then the pandemic had started. After the pandemic, the cost of replacing the roof had escalated by 400%. Solar panels were no longer affordable. By then we were subject to revised insulation regulations. The top rooms in the house have low, sloping ceilings. Adding insulation to the inside of the roof reduced the height of the rooms such that they would be mostly unusable. In discussions, council officers told us that the local authority was unlikely to grant planning consent to add the insulation to the top of the roof on the grounds of "appearance" as it would raise the roof by 15 centimetres. 

Within 500 meters of this house, the local authority has approved multiple, multi-story, high-rise concrete buildings. Evidence shows that the resulting flats are being marketed overseas (Acton (@capthetowers). 

World wide, air travel contributes 2% to carbon emissions, shipping contributes 2.5% to carbon emissions, concrete contributes 8% to carbon emissions. Stop building in concrete!

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We live in a 1930’s house with single brick walls.  We recently had to change our heating system as the old one (probably over 40 years old) failed.  I looked into heat pumps.  The best estimate I could get to make our house suitable for...

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We live in a 1930’s house with single brick walls.  We recently had to change our heating system as the old one (probably over 40 years old) failed.  I looked into heat pumps.  The best estimate I could get to make our house suitable for heat pumps was £35,000 to £40,000.  This is BEFORE the cost of the heat pump itself.  Not doable.

Secondly. The survey was very limited in terms of choices; basically responsibilities between just between me, the local council or local community groups.  No responsibility options at all for the mayor or national government.

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Our immediate neighbours are social housing (Optivo). Storm Eunice (2022 Q1) removed quite a lot of the roof. It has been reported to them repeatedly but they dont' repair it. They replaced a window years ago but 'forgot' to seal it so it...

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Our immediate neighbours are social housing (Optivo). Storm Eunice (2022 Q1) removed quite a lot of the roof. It has been reported to them repeatedly but they dont' repair it. They replaced a window years ago but 'forgot' to seal it so it leaks heat out and water in. Given this dismal level of maintenance there is a lot of low hanging fruit before mandating other changes. 

Local and National Govt is likely to say 'this should not happen' but the point is that it does happen and is even commonplace. Fix this first.

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So-called green houses and dwellings really need to be built from scratch. I live in a Victorian terraced house built on insubstantial foundations, with cavity walls that had the purpose of allowing the house 'to breath' along with other...

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So-called green houses and dwellings really need to be built from scratch. I live in a Victorian terraced house built on insubstantial foundations, with cavity walls that had the purpose of allowing the house 'to breath' along with other aerated aspects of hollow uninsulated underfloor and roof spaces. Filling in these old 'spaces' to 'insulate' would be anathema to the spirit of an old building which would then have to have compensations of 'aeration' and 'ventilation' put back into the structure after it had been, if not entirely hermetically sealed with that 'green insulation ethic' would need condensation then to be tackled that we hear so much about as a killer of over-insulated or un-aerated homes.

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I agree that new-builds have much more potential than old buildings.  I was looking at new-build houses for sale the other day and some have EPC rating "A", come with air source heat pumps and solar panels, EV charging points etc.  However...

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I agree that new-builds have much more potential than old buildings.  I was looking at new-build houses for sale the other day and some have EPC rating "A", come with air source heat pumps and solar panels, EV charging points etc.  However, lots don't.  I think thought should be given to planning and/or building regulations for new builds to mandate some or all of these.

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I work as a designer in the 'Industry' of Heating and Ventilation/Building Services, why do you state Heating Homes and Buildings is the biggest source of Carbon emissions in UK? It is world wide not a UK problem, this is NOT a problem for...

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I work as a designer in the 'Industry' of Heating and Ventilation/Building Services, why do you state Heating Homes and Buildings is the biggest source of Carbon emissions in UK? It is world wide not a UK problem, this is NOT a problem for the London Mayor to try and solve by  badly written surveys taken by people who have not been given any reference data to make a decision. There are various industry bodies investigating and reporting on the alternatives including technologies used in other countries, until there are properly researched recommendations backed up by test cases and long term examples this survey and others similar serve no purpose. The main problem for all of these technologies is the high cost of installation against a potential saving of the planet in the future, the average person cannot afford to become 'Net Zero' without some 'proper grants' to help. The current 'heat pump' funding is substantial but still falls short of the actual cost, and the contractors involved are often not looking at the design correctly. The current emphasis should be on all new properties whether commercial buildings or private homes are equipped with the nearest to 'Net Zero' technologies available, this must include recyclability after their service life. As many people have commented on here the best way to help yourself for the 'Average' energy consumer is to increase the insulation where ever possible in your home thus reducing the energy required for heating.

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The biggest source of emissions will vary from country to country, and even local authority to local authority.  In most London boroughs it is heating, followed by transport.  Of course it's not an attack on the HVAC industry.  Apparently...

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The biggest source of emissions will vary from country to country, and even local authority to local authority.  In most London boroughs it is heating, followed by transport.  Of course it's not an attack on the HVAC industry.  Apparently it only takes a week to train a qualified heating engineer to install heat pumps.

Yes, we need proper grants, and new building regulations go part of the way, but we also need to help people in poorly-insulated existing homes.

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I think the first step is starting mapping all houses and buildings ( we can do that with new technologies and classify that); after also using satellite images to map roof , to have a map of potetial solar Pv installation.

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I think the first step is starting mapping all houses and buildings ( we can do that with new technologies and classify that); after also using satellite images to map roof , to have a map of potetial solar Pv installation.

Thanks for attention!

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Insisting on three responses on how you would pay for new or different heating is a bit strange. 

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Insisting on three responses on how you would pay for new or different heating is a bit strange. 

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I would love to see more provision for insulation and new developments should include ground source heat pumps etc.

We need to make it easier for people to install double glazing and so on. There are conservation objections that are too...

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I would love to see more provision for insulation and new developments should include ground source heat pumps etc.

We need to make it easier for people to install double glazing and so on. There are conservation objections that are too difficult and expensive to deal with so people don't do anything and that is a problem. 

Retro for walls is difficult but roofs should all be done and with subsidy if need be.

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Our a 1926 end of terrace house has solid walls. Going for a heat pump will require much improved insulation and replacing radiators across the house.


I think we would have to move out while the work was done and finding a competent...

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Our a 1926 end of terrace house has solid walls. Going for a heat pump will require much improved insulation and replacing radiators across the house.


I think we would have to move out while the work was done and finding a competent installer seems very difficult. And then there is the substantial costs involved.


It’s a big challenge!

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Planning rules need to change to encourage not prevent energy-saving measures.  The workspace my company is in has old, single-glazed, metal-framed windows which let so much heat out that the central heating can't compete with it, and we're...

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Planning rules need to change to encourage not prevent energy-saving measures.  The workspace my company is in has old, single-glazed, metal-framed windows which let so much heat out that the central heating can't compete with it, and we're having to use additional heaters.  The workspace tells us that the council wouldn't allow them to fix the windows.  

I think planning departments should be forced to encourage suitable energy efficient alternatives, e.g. double-glazed windows that match the character of the building.

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Priority should be given to insulate the worst performing, less energy efficient buildings and properties first regardless as to whether the occupier is receiving benefits or not. Many older properties have solid walls (no cavity) resulting...

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Priority should be given to insulate the worst performing, less energy efficient buildings and properties first regardless as to whether the occupier is receiving benefits or not. Many older properties have solid walls (no cavity) resulting in poor thermal insulation, these along with other poorly performing buildings would make the biggest difference in reducing wasted energy hence reduce carbon emissions so would make sense to prioritise these first by making grants available for insulation and other modern heating improvements. 

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I was wondering about that.  You could just roam the streets with an infra-red camera and see who was wasting money and energy, and target waste and emissions efficiently that way.  But mightn't some people say where those people can afford...

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I was wondering about that.  You could just roam the streets with an infra-red camera and see who was wasting money and energy, and target waste and emissions efficiently that way.  But mightn't some people say where those people can afford it, you're effectively rewarding them for being spendthrift, while those with thermostats set to 18 C or below only in rooms they use might be suffering?

I think it should be done street-by-street, but grants should be variable based on ability to pay.  The Mayor's scheme had one way of calculating that and central Government (through the Local Authority Delivery scheme) did it another way.  Both of those were better than nothing, but far too slow and difficult.

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Battery storage with low cost for night use to offset high costs during the day plus air source heating seems attractive but lack of installers & high costs are currently a huge negative.  EV charging needs to be included in any initiatives...

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Battery storage with low cost for night use to offset high costs during the day plus air source heating seems attractive but lack of installers & high costs are currently a huge negative.  EV charging needs to be included in any initiatives in this area.

Despite solar PV being promoted, particularly on EPC's, the roof orientation on my hose makes these entirely unsuitable.  I do have solar thermal panels but these are limited to providing hot water with insufficient capacity to hat the house generally and no way of using the potential generation in sustained sun.   

Currently it seems that Octopus is the only energy supplier linking energy supply to low carbon initiatives such as it the Octopus Agile tariff.   More competition is required through all energy suppliers offering tariffs linked t a transition to low carbon.

 

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Some of the questions are very difficult to answer based on the information provided. For example, in one part of the survey it states that

"The UK government is already working to reduce carbon emissions by at least 68% by 2030. Your local...

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Some of the questions are very difficult to answer based on the information provided. For example, in one part of the survey it states that

"The UK government is already working to reduce carbon emissions by at least 68% by 2030. Your local area needs to reduce its carbon emissions to help reach this target"

What were the emissions when the target was set? When was the target set? What are current emissions? 

 

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I think that's just background so no need to worry about it.

The answers I think are: Carbon budgets are set by Parliament on advice of the Climate Change Committee. The 68% target was set in 2020, but is relative to 1990.  'In 2019, total...

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I think that's just background so no need to worry about it.

The answers I think are: Carbon budgets are set by Parliament on advice of the Climate Change Committee. The 68% target was set in 2020, but is relative to 1990.  'In 2019, total [territorial] UK greenhouse gas emissions were 45% per cent lower than in 1990'.   Checking Government data online, 1990 emissions were 813.4 MtCO₂e.

I've heard scientists say the most important number to remember in emissions is zero.

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