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The UK low carbon and environmental goods and services sector (green economy) is worth £40 billion in sales and employs nearly 250,000 people. It is worth more to the London economy than the construction and manufacturing sectors combined. Putting the environment at the centre of London’s recovery offers an opportunity to reverse the looming economic downturn by bringing new investment to London, helping businesses to see long-term growth, and providing decent, skilled, local jobs. Protecting and investing in the environment will also improve the health of all Londoners. Read more about the context for this mission.
 
Mission: “Increase the size of London’s green economy by 2030 to accelerate job creation and to drive a fair and inclusive recovery from COVID-19 that tackles the climate emergency, eradicates air pollution and builds long-term, community-led resilience.”
 
We’ll need to work together so that:

  • Short term - there's a rapid increase in Londoners acquiring the skills needed to access green jobs as well as increase investment in the sector
  • Medium term - making transport, buildings, public realm and lifestyles more environmentally friendly
  • Long term - we become a zero pollution city by 2030 and zero waste city by 2050

 
Areas of focus might include:

  • Scaling up energy and adaptation programmes to retrofit buildings and accelerate community and renewable energy projects
  • Developing safe, connected cycling and walking routes, and support a shift away from cars to public transport
  • Funding communities to increase green spaces and support low carbon and circular economy businesses

 
What do you think of this mission? Is there anything critical to London’s recovery missing from this mission? What does this mean for you personally and your community? What actions or interventions would have the most impact? How will we know that we’ve succeeded?  Who has a role to play to meet this challenge?   

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Need to plant more large trees in the city within the congested zone. 

Place large tree planters or street gardens in the middle of the street to separate the lane. 

Make a policy or initiatives to encourage building owners to place...

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Need to plant more large trees in the city within the congested zone. 

Place large tree planters or street gardens in the middle of the street to separate the lane. 

Make a policy or initiatives to encourage building owners to place larger tree planters or gardens on the roof of every buildings in the city. 

Make a policy to encourage, help and support companies or organisations to build garden walls outside their premises and buildings. 

 

 

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Definitely more large trees (and parks) in East London!!

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Definitely more large trees (and parks) in East London!!

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One of the key improvement to London would be to shift transportation of goods from cars and vans (and mopeds) to cargo bikes. This would create many jobs in London and elsewhere and also improve road safety and reduce air and noise...

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One of the key improvement to London would be to shift transportation of goods from cars and vans (and mopeds) to cargo bikes. This would create many jobs in London and elsewhere and also improve road safety and reduce air and noise pollution.

In urban areas on average 51% of all motorised trips - associated with the transport of goods - could be shifted from car to the bicycle or cargo bicycle. About 1/3 of these motorised trips that could be shifted can be attributed to commercial transport, whereas private logistics (e.g. shopping and/or leisure transport) accounts for 2/3.

https://core.ac.uk/download/pdf/82815461.pdf

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It will be great to improve bike lanes. Let's take as example The city of Amsterdam or any other northern cities, like Copenhagen, Oslo. 
Let's build a proper highway for bicycles as they did in Germany, they build a proper highway just for...

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It will be great to improve bike lanes. Let's take as example The city of Amsterdam or any other northern cities, like Copenhagen, Oslo. 
Let's build a proper highway for bicycles as they did in Germany, they build a proper highway just for bike of 21km from Essen to Duisburg in the heart of the Ruhr. 
Like that even the inexperienced cyclist will be more motivated to use their bike to move in the City as they will feel more safe. 

Give an economic incentive for all the people that would like to buy an electric car will help and attract more people to this subject matter. 

let's made the recycling a must and not an option! Every single citizen need to be more conscious about this case! 

In Italy we have distributors of drinking water dispenser in every neighbourhood, if not in every neighbourhood why don't put a refill station inside every grocery shopping instead of selling single plastic bottles, this will help to reduce drastically the use of the plastic, simply refill your old bottle! 

Create more green space, each residential building should have on the roof a little communal garden, free to visit for all the resident! 
 

 

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While I agree with many of the objectives of the green new deal I struggle to understand why private motorbikes are similarly being discouraged from use throughout London?

Motorcycles represent an efficient way of cutting down road traffic...

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While I agree with many of the objectives of the green new deal I struggle to understand why private motorbikes are similarly being discouraged from use throughout London?

Motorcycles represent an efficient way of cutting down road traffic and emissions, and in the current environment they also reduce pressure on public transport systems while also keeping riders safe from the risk of contracting Coronavirus in public spaces. Admittedly, bicycles offer similar benefits, and better emission savings, however they are not a viable option for everyone, especially those commuting over larger distances.

I believe as a starting point, all bus lanes in all boroughs could be opened to motorbikes, and the removal of parking charges for them in remaining boroughs should also be considered.

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i would argue that bus lanes should be open to disabled drivers (i.e. disabled class vehicles) i would also say they are empty too frequently the buses jumping ahead of the traffic creates longer queues and more pollution

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i would argue that bus lanes should be open to disabled drivers (i.e. disabled class vehicles) i would also say they are empty too frequently the buses jumping ahead of the traffic creates longer queues and more pollution

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Increase requirements for the energy efficiency rating in households/assist in the transformation. Old buildings with single glazed, poorly fitted windows should be fixed.

To incentivise active transit and public transit, more dramatic...

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Increase requirements for the energy efficiency rating in households/assist in the transformation. Old buildings with single glazed, poorly fitted windows should be fixed.

To incentivise active transit and public transit, more dramatic financial incentives may help; for example, progressive carbon taxing / cordon charges / tolls.

Can we measure the air quality in the London tube train cars and stations? It feels like a festering ground. In the mid-term, normalising mask-wearing seems necessary and can help.

 

 

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Cycling infrastructure is critical. I'd like to see a plan detailing the length/coverage of bike lanes, and their design-- too often they are simply a couple of meters of lines drawn on the road, eventually disappearing under parked cars...

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Cycling infrastructure is critical. I'd like to see a plan detailing the length/coverage of bike lanes, and their design-- too often they are simply a couple of meters of lines drawn on the road, eventually disappearing under parked cars. Let's make sure we are serious about bike lanes.

 

 

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Ok but would that be funded by cyclists only or the public in general and the motorist who currently pay for those provisions. 

You would expect your neighbour to pay for your bike so if you want a better cycle lane why shouldn't the...

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Ok but would that be funded by cyclists only or the public in general and the motorist who currently pay for those provisions. 

You would expect your neighbour to pay for your bike so if you want a better cycle lane why shouldn't the cyclist alone pay for it and its maintenance

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I think the biggest issue with this is that there is no cohesive plan how to INCENTIVISE people to abandon cars, rather than penalise them for using them. 
 

To give you an example - someone who lives in zone 4 and has 2 kids they need to...

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I think the biggest issue with this is that there is no cohesive plan how to INCENTIVISE people to abandon cars, rather than penalise them for using them. 
 

To give you an example - someone who lives in zone 4 and has 2 kids they need to drop off to school will pay for oyster card more than for a car (cheap car leasing is less than an oyster card price). In their case owning a car is way cheaper and more convenient choice. These people will never give up on their car because there is no INCENTIVE for them to do so. 
 

Another example - if you live in zone 2 travel card is £138.70 vs a flat in zone 6 where travel card is £253. Easy to commute by bike zone 1-2, close to impossible to commute from zone 6. Why not reverse the pricing so people are incentivised to move further away from the city centre?

 

TFL during rush hours is overcrowded as hell and despite one of the highest fare prices in the world the standard is still very low (overcrowded, no AC) and TFL cannot cover it cost. It is in need of IMMEDIATE reforms, automating most tasks, maybe automating new and existing tube lines and lowering fares (i know, shocking!). I know Londoners pride ourselves on having one of the oldest tube in the world but it urgently needs reforms as it is no longer fit for purpose.  

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I very much support a Green New Deal and investment in the transition to a zero carbon, more sustainable future. That being said the focus needs to be on where environmental gains can be made rather than just how many millions the green...

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I very much support a Green New Deal and investment in the transition to a zero carbon, more sustainable future. That being said the focus needs to be on where environmental gains can be made rather than just how many millions the green economy is worth. It is an emergency and not all sustainability measures are profitable but they are necessary. I would love to see London become more ambitious in terms of retrofitting housing, making sure new homes being built now are zero carbon, investing in green infrastructure (suds, tree planting, naturalising spaces, etc), generating renewable energy and pushing cars out of the city centre. Londoners also need more access to nature (allotments, swim spots, forests etc) so tjat should be a consideration rather than designating all sites for housing. We need to be ambitious, bold, and use COVID as a once in a generation opportunity for real change!

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Public transport is a disaster and is unsafe for women at night! I do not wish to use it ever again. I want to be able to drive my electric car to work in central and don't have to deal with ridiculous fees! I am not rich so I can't afford...

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Public transport is a disaster and is unsafe for women at night! I do not wish to use it ever again. I want to be able to drive my electric car to work in central and don't have to deal with ridiculous fees! I am not rich so I can't afford to buy my own place anywhere close to work, not even in London and with working shifts ending late in the evening car is the only safe way of transport for me. Also, make living in London affordable and scrap all the nonsense about share to buy which is more expensive than buying your own place, which you wouldn't own even if you bought 100% of the property (having to rent the land), people on normal salaries. 

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Critical to creating a green city is ensuring people live within cycling/walking distance to work. Currently, there are many empty apartments near my workplace at Bankside as wealthy owners have vacated to their other homes during the...

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Critical to creating a green city is ensuring people live within cycling/walking distance to work. Currently, there are many empty apartments near my workplace at Bankside as wealthy owners have vacated to their other homes during the pandemic. We, the people who care for and live in London, are pushed to the outer zones by horrendous rents with no hope of owning a place. We are in locations which make it intimidating to cycle to work. I'm sure it's been mentioned, but cycling behind polluting buses, taxis, motorbikes etc is terribly offputting, not to mention all the drivers who don't see us!

Invest in community gardens. They bring so much to London with their community-oriented activities and education initiatives based around their amazing self-sustaining environmental initiatives. 

Please please please tax single-use plastic and discount fruit/veg without packaging. 

Recycling education needs improving in this city! Too many people don't know what can and can't be recycled. 

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I fully support more taxes for more packaging and less taxes for loose vegs(corona necessities excluded).

Farmers are not paid enough anyway: profit is all unbalanced towards the supermarket.

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I fully support more taxes for more packaging and less taxes for loose vegs(corona necessities excluded).

Farmers are not paid enough anyway: profit is all unbalanced towards the supermarket.

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Pedestrianise more streets and significantly expand the cycle network, which will help reduce emissions and make highstreets "destinations" people want to visit rather than avoid.

A better cycling 'infrastructure' will encourage more...

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Pedestrianise more streets and significantly expand the cycle network, which will help reduce emissions and make highstreets "destinations" people want to visit rather than avoid.

A better cycling 'infrastructure' will encourage more people to cycle to work and keep fit, London is still too dangerous to cycle for most.

Increase the number of charging points for electric cars, again the infrastructure is holding London back and preventing people buying more green vehicles.

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Laat-mile delivery consolidation will be vital to achieving this, there are too many delivery vans driving round, increasing congestion and pollution. Deliveries to homes and businesses should be by zero emission vehicle, or preferably...

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Laat-mile delivery consolidation will be vital to achieving this, there are too many delivery vans driving round, increasing congestion and pollution. Deliveries to homes and businesses should be by zero emission vehicle, or preferably cargo bike.

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Improve cycling support. Be bold. Be drastic. Do it fast, the population will support it. We don't want our kids to be suffocated by pollution any more! Build on the strong community networks created in our amazing response to Covid to...

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Improve cycling support. Be bold. Be drastic. Do it fast, the population will support it. We don't want our kids to be suffocated by pollution any more! Build on the strong community networks created in our amazing response to Covid to involve communities across the city in well-funded re-wilding programs. Fund a network of community climate spokespeople to have conversations with everyone. Listen to their climate concerns, connect and engage us and make us feel connected to local, borough and city-wide community of people making changes to improve our climate. Fund engaging community events. Work with platforms like nextdoor to make robust community connections.

Be bold, and be the city that sets records on taking action to tackle the climate crisis head-on, and make us proud to be Londoners :)

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Firstly, 2030 and 2050 are both goals too far in the future. The climate emergency is happening right now - not in the next 10-30 years. There is a strong opportunity with the current recession to push for green growth and get unemployed...

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Firstly, 2030 and 2050 are both goals too far in the future. The climate emergency is happening right now - not in the next 10-30 years. There is a strong opportunity with the current recession to push for green growth and get unemployed people into green jobs. 
 

Secondly, as has already been pointed out, SUVs are a cancer to the streets of London. There is absolutely no need for having a car of that size in the city. 
 

Thirdly, if you want to encourage people to take public transport then the cost of travel should not be going up with inflation come January when many people are seeing real incomes decline. Especially when the service is gradually getting worse on top of this (to be fair, TFL is good - but most of the suppliers who feed into London are not). 

Fourth, parking should be made more difficult across the capital and for residents only. In Southwark you can drive in and park virtually anywhere as there are not many resident only roads. 
 

Fifth, London is a horrible city to cycle in. If you don't live near any of the superhighways then it is largely dangerous which puts off many people. The roads are extremely congested with cars, which seems to have gotten worse post-lockdown. Every main road in London should feature a cycle lane, with all A roads having a superhighway.  

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Why not move the cycle lanes to the back roads leaving the arterial routes for vehicles. 

would that not be safer

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Why not move the cycle lanes to the back roads leaving the arterial routes for vehicles. 

would that not be safer

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How does a green new deal involve the Silvertown Tunnel? Which plans to put more HGVs in Greenwich and Newham’s already criminally polluted roads. How does this fit with Sadie Khan’s promises for clean air in London. 

We need real action...

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How does a green new deal involve the Silvertown Tunnel? Which plans to put more HGVs in Greenwich and Newham’s already criminally polluted roads. How does this fit with Sadie Khan’s promises for clean air in London. 

We need real action not just lip service. We need huge airs of the city to be pedestrianised. We need proper law to hold cooperations accountable. Back the CEE bill, if you truly care about London. 

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Make it far more expensive to drive in polluting vehicles and pedestrianise large parts of the city. Make public transport cheaper. More heavily tax industries contributing to and funding climate change such as HSBC and Barclays. Use added...

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Make it far more expensive to drive in polluting vehicles and pedestrianise large parts of the city. Make public transport cheaper. More heavily tax industries contributing to and funding climate change such as HSBC and Barclays. Use added revenues from these schemes to provide insulation schemes for housing, starting with the most deprived areas.

Install more air quality monitors and make that data readily accessible by anyone. Screens could show what current levels are with colour coded LEDs to show danger levels just like we have with car speed monitors. Website to display live and historic data.

Food and clothes' labels should state how much CO2 was released to produce the good and the amount of water consumed to create it along the whole supply chain with a traffic light system like we have on calories. Discounts provided for low carbon shopping. Exclude high carbon items from promotional deals.

London businesses should provide structured days off for community volunteering which could involve tree planting, litter picking, river cleaning, air quality monitoring etc. Example schemes include:

1)https://www.treesforcities.org/get-involved 2) https://www.keepbritaintidy.org/get-involved/volunteer 3) https://www.thames21.org.uk/ 4)https://thefelixproject.org/help-us/volunteer-london

London businesses could take part in schemes that give you more annual leave if you travel to your holiday destination by sustainable transport such as by train with the added annual leave more than compensating for the time added to journey. Possible scheme could be https://www.climateperks.com/

More cycle lanes to be built. A city-wide, secure bike shed scheme to be set up. Use your Oyster card or PIN to access the shed. App to tell you which ones currently have space.Divest pensions from climate damaging industries.If possible to track, provide everyone with a carbon budget

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It would be great if recycling across the city included a broader range of materials and was consistent in all boroughs and types of housing, especially in public places to improve rates of recycling and reduce waste. 

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It would be great if recycling across the city included a broader range of materials and was consistent in all boroughs and types of housing, especially in public places to improve rates of recycling and reduce waste. 

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Yes it must be cohesive! Have a serious talk with all operators.

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Yes it must be cohesive! Have a serious talk with all operators.

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If anything, 2030 and 2050 are not sufficient goals. We need actions with immediate change in mind. We need laws that shut down big polluters, and charge them for the harm they have caused the public. 

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If anything, 2030 and 2050 are not sufficient goals. We need actions with immediate change in mind. We need laws that shut down big polluters, and charge them for the harm they have caused the public. 

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I hope that many of us have read the article in yesterday's Observer,  "The Observer view of the climate crisis facing Earth". If anybody missed it I would recommend it highly as they point out brilliantly how severe the climate crisis is...

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I hope that many of us have read the article in yesterday's Observer,  "The Observer view of the climate crisis facing Earth". If anybody missed it I would recommend it highly as they point out brilliantly how severe the climate crisis is and how urgent it is to act to try to avert the worst of it.

If we want to try to deal with this crisis we urgently need a green new deal and this needs to operate at all levels from individuals limiting their consumption and practicing a sustainable lifestyle to the city adapting to a green system. In this context, we need to move away from any ideas of GDP and give full consideration to the welfare of the people, thus the jobs in the green economy need to be local and not dependent on foreign banks or multinational corporations. London should be able to produce much of its own food and energy and many other commodities to meet our more modest demands and provide jobs for its people doing this.  We need to be aware that we can lead happy and fulfilling lives while consuming far less than we do currently and thus build a sustainable community with hope for the future.

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As a Londoner, nothing is more important to me than this - air quality and improved urban ecology.

Living roofs (much better than sedum) with integrated pv should be mandatory for all new buildings without very good reason not to.

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As a Londoner, nothing is more important to me than this - air quality and improved urban ecology.

Living roofs (much better than sedum) with integrated pv should be mandatory for all new buildings without very good reason not to.

More effort should be made to plant large and diverse tree species in our streets and public realm.

Huge , flashy cars, SUVs and 4x4s are a cancer. There should be much greater taxes on the most polluting cars with the biggest engines. Unfortunately they seem to be the most fashionable thing to drive but they are the least progressive.

Keep improving cycle infrastructure and steadily make it more and more unpleasant to drive. That's what Copenhagen did 50 years ago...

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