Cleaning up London’s toxic air
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The Ultra-Low Emission Zone (ULEZ) is an area within which all cars, motorcycles, vans, buses, coaches and heavy good vehicles will need to meet exhaust emission standards or pay a daily charge to travel. Some vehicles are exempt from the charge. The ULEZ is due to come into effect in September 2020, and will operate 24 hours a day, 7 days a week within the current Congestion Charging Zone (the yellow area on the map).
The Mayor is currently considering a range of measures relating to the ULEZ, such as extending its boundaries further out from the centre of London, in order to reduce pollution further and make a bigger improvement in air quality in London. These proposals are still to be refined, so we want to know your views on how the ULEZ might operate.
What do you think? Should the ULEZ focus only on the central London congestion charging zone, or be expanded further out, for example to the North/South Circular roads (red area of the map), or current London-wide Low Emission Zone for heavy vehicles (green area of the map)?
The discussion ran from 04 July 2016 - 04 October 2016
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Community Member 8 years agoIt's all very good giving buses priority over cars to stop them idling but won't that make cars and vans idling worse of which there's far far more of ! Most of londons pollution is caused by motors unable to move in the traffic that is...
Show full commentIt's all very good giving buses priority over cars to stop them idling but won't that make cars and vans idling worse of which there's far far more of ! Most of londons pollution is caused by motors unable to move in the traffic that is caused by bad road management and too many traffic lights with stupid 20mph zones!! How come Germany hasn't got this problem or Brugge in Belgium and they have trams and cycle lanes everywhere! Maybe Khan should go take a selfie there!
Show less of commentE17 Pioneer
Community Member 8 years agoIn your comment below you suggest concern about car pollution was scaremongering by TFL - so if you are not concerned about car pollution, why mention it here?
The Cyclist
Community Member 8 years agoDoes this link show that TFL,s Statement that 9400 deaths a year are false? See for yourself..
http://www.weridelondon.com/blog/2016/12/17/does-pollution-kill-9500-a-…
E17 Pioneer
Community Member 8 years agoI have met Dr Frank Kelly of King's College, and Dr Andrea Sella of UCL. Both are very clear about what causes air pollution and the damage done to our health. The figure of 9400 deaths seem reasonable to them.
Show full commentThe blogger you link to has...
I have met Dr Frank Kelly of King's College, and Dr Andrea Sella of UCL. Both are very clear about what causes air pollution and the damage done to our health. The figure of 9400 deaths seem reasonable to them.
Show less of commentThe blogger you link to has no medical or scientific qualifications at all, I look forward to them releasing a paper for peer review.
The link you provide is opinion and not fact. They report they have FOI figures for respiratory diseases, they clearly do not understand the affects of pollution because they have failed to add figures for heart disease, strokes and alzheimer's.
The next time I get on a plane I will not offer to fly it as I trust the experts, unless you are going to extend your philosophy of 'my opinion trumps detailed research and qualification' to all corners of your life, I suggest you direct us to research and reports, not the opinion of lobby groups.
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Community Member 8 years agoI have to agree with the cyclist , TFL do state quite categorically in most of their posts that there "are the equivelant of 9400 deaths" each year caused by pollution.There is no way any Hospital can firmly pin these deaths on just...
Show full commentI have to agree with the cyclist , TFL do state quite categorically in most of their posts that there "are the equivelant of 9400 deaths" each year caused by pollution.There is no way any Hospital can firmly pin these deaths on just pollution alone what about smoking is/was this not a primary . I am please you mentioned someone in the NHS Sector it gives me the opportunity to show you that a study done by them here http://content.digital.nhs.uk/catalogue/PUB20781/stat-smok-eng-2016-rep…
shows that were 75,000 deaths attributed to smoking alone and that's just deaths what about hospital admittance for smoking related diseases of which according to this report stands at 475,000 yes 475,000 !!!! and then theres,, lung cancer.I have yet to see a report from anyone proving what TFL say that clearly lands the blame of Pollution at solely the feet of cars, vans and motorbikes. It may be an a part of that but certainly the facts banded around by TFL are NOT ACCURATE ! So E17 ....all is not what it seems at all. I have asked TFL and Talk London for proof of these fugures but to date like many on this site have been ignored but I can find plenty of information from accredited sites to show more deaths from smoking and that's just one !
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Community Member 8 years agoHere we are, 16 days since the consultation started and I still haven't been notified by TFL of the consultation which will affect me as I live smack bang in the middle of the congestion zone. They did however manage to notify me how much...
Show full commentHere we are, 16 days since the consultation started and I still haven't been notified by TFL of the consultation which will affect me as I live smack bang in the middle of the congestion zone. They did however manage to notify me how much will be taken from my bank account through the auto-pay system.
COME ON TFL! MAKE ALL THOSE WHO WILL BE AFFECTED AWARE OF THESE CONSULTATIONS TO GIVE THEM A CHANCE TO MAKE THEMSELVES HEARD AND GET A TRUE PICTURE OF WHAT LONDONERS WANT.
Show less of commentThe Cyclist
Community Member 8 years agoHi SG65
Well said m8 !!I did recieve this today, again promising to "comprehensively engage with individuals and businesses affected"
!!! Well we will wait and see......
About 11 min 1 sec ago Talk London wrote:
Hi The Cyclist,There...
Show full commentHi SG65
Well said m8 !!I did recieve this today, again promising to "comprehensively engage with individuals and businesses affected"
!!! Well we will wait and see......
About 11 min 1 sec ago Talk London wrote:
Hi The Cyclist,There are two statutory consultation stages underway or still to follow. The current stage, open until June concerns the early implementation of the ULEZ in central London, plus additional measures to strengthen emissions standards. A further statutory stage focuses on the possible expansion of the ULEZ beyond central London. It is currently expected to take place in Autumn 2017 and will comprehensive engage individuals and businesses affected by any expansion in accordance with legal requirements.The Consultation Stages section of the TfL Consultation Portal outlines the purpose and overview of content for each consultation stage. Hope that helps,Talk London Team
Show less of commentThe Cyclist
Community Member 8 years agoFOUND THIS TODAY ....weridelondon.com a worthwhile cause who are being IGNORED BY TFL...
This is why we are campaigning to encourage more people onto all two wheeled transport, including motorcycles, scooter, mopeds and bicycles. This will...
Show full commentFOUND THIS TODAY ....weridelondon.com a worthwhile cause who are being IGNORED BY TFL...
This is why we are campaigning to encourage more people onto all two wheeled transport, including motorcycles, scooter, mopeds and bicycles. This will keep London moving while at the same time reducing emissions for both the moving vehicles and reduce the stop/start traffic for cars and other vehicles and therefore reducing pollution from them also.
However, one statistic keeps coming up. "9,500 people die in London EACH YEAR due to air pollution". This is a terrible statistic if true. Is it true? Put simply: no.
There is no doubt that air quality contributes to respiratory deaths in London, particularly in higher risk demographics such as those that are already chronically ill and our increasingly aged pollution. A freedom of information request for 2015 data reveals the total number of deaths for ALL respiratory illnesses in the capital is nearly 3,000 less than the quoted 9,500!
Analysis by the Office Of National Statistics confirms that the total number of deaths for 2015 is 6,881. BUT, that total includes; smoking related Lung Cancer, Flu, and Pneumonia.
How many are directly related to air quality? Nobody knows.....
For more detailed information about facts and figures and the background to the concerns we need to have addressed, the Motorcycle Action Group (MAG) have done a fair bit of work myth busting in this space. You can contact them by email at [email protected] or by phone on 019 2684 4060.
Show less of commentE17 Pioneer
Community Member 8 years agoThanks so much for directing me to the MAG UK site.
Show full commentI contacted the author of the blog you enclosed the link to, it is none other than Lembit Opik, who heads up MAG. He asked ME if I knew the source of the 9,500 deaths a year stat, because...
Thanks so much for directing me to the MAG UK site.
Show less of commentI contacted the author of the blog you enclosed the link to, it is none other than Lembit Opik, who heads up MAG. He asked ME if I knew the source of the 9,500 deaths a year stat, because he had never seen the original report. I sent HIM the link to the King's College report, because he had never seen it. Unbelievable. So the 'facts and figures' you refer to are an opinion piece only, based on nothing than a quick google of how people die in London. He certainly had never seen the report. How you can despute the source of figures you have never seen with any authority, and categorically refute it's claims, if you are not aware of the source of information or it's methodology?
This is exactly why scientists marched in London recently, because their careful studies of empirical evidence can be refuted by non-specialist ex-politicians, without detailed research or evidence, and in fact give their opinion before they even have all the facts.
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Community Member 8 years agoHA HA , you are so funny ! Are you saying its all lies and all googled, I'm part of many motorbike action groups and let me tell you we know what we are about !Oh and what,s wrong with google ? Its where I found out rue stats to back p the...
Show full commentHA HA , you are so funny ! Are you saying its all lies and all googled, I'm part of many motorbike action groups and let me tell you we know what we are about !Oh and what,s wrong with google ? Its where I found out rue stats to back p the fact that there are not 9416 deaths totally attributed to Pollution by drivers, quite the contrary-why is it TFL will not even answer this question to prove once and for all that its True? All TFL keep saying is that "there are the equivalent of 9400 deaths each year due to pollution by drivers", my goodness its simple what does equivalent mean?
It does not mean there were statistically beyond a doubt that each death included in this 9400 count was caused purely and unequivocally by pollution by drivers and in particular Diesel drivers as SADIQ KHAN SAYS repeatedly !. Why? because these deaths were also caused by smoking,factories, lung cancer and other pollution "related causes" we all know it but no -one will defend the statement made by tfl .....WHY IS THIS ?
Show less of commentThe Cyclist
Community Member 8 years agoClick on this and fill in your details to stop TFL Blaming diesel drivers 100% for 11% of Londons pollution !!!
http://act.fairfueluk.com/lobby/dieselsolution
Takes 2 mins literally !!
The Cyclist
Community Member 8 years agoHow can TFL bring an emission zone and a Ultra Low Emission Zone into Central London charge cars vans and Motorbikes for driving or riding in these zones then say they are not going to charge the biggest polluters TAXIS ? This is absurd yet...
Show full commentHow can TFL bring an emission zone and a Ultra Low Emission Zone into Central London charge cars vans and Motorbikes for driving or riding in these zones then say they are not going to charge the biggest polluters TAXIS ? This is absurd yet TFL want to extend the zones to include SOUTH LONDON AND NORTH LONDON .....Simply crazy.How can TFL charge motorbikes £12.50 a day to ride in London when they should be encouraging car drivers to switch to motorbikes instead ? again CRAZY ....Are we really dealing with a mayor here who is looking at drivers and riders simply as CASH COWS to pay for cycling lanes which obviously hold up traffic in london.....these ideas need drastically overhauled and remember when it comes to the ELECTIONS FOLKS IN MAY-MR SADIQ KHAN IS LABOUR....Do you want Labour ? Have your real say then in the elections-I voted for this man but had I known what he was going to do to me and my family.....well...HUGE MISTAKE
Show less of commentThe Cyclist
Community Member 8 years agoIN OTHER WORDS TFL NO TO ANY EXPANSION ! NO TO CHARGING DRIVERS AND MOTORCYCLISTS !
Show full commentIN OTHER WORDS TFL NO TO ANY EXPANSION ! NO TO CHARGING DRIVERS AND MOTORCYCLISTS !
Show less of commentThe Cyclist
Community Member 8 years agoUNREAL DAY ... Took me over an hour to get from Lewisham to Earls court in a car today... what I noticed was its all about TRAFFIC LIGHTS !! Waiting forever at every traffic lights for no reason...you,d think there was a smash somewhere it...
Show full commentUNREAL DAY ... Took me over an hour to get from Lewisham to Earls court in a car today... what I noticed was its all about TRAFFIC LIGHTS !! Waiting forever at every traffic lights for no reason...you,d think there was a smash somewhere it was NEVER like this before whats happening with traffic lights in London they are taking far too long with everyone at all junctions waiting and doing nothing , why always delays?. Got to the embankment and the cycle lanes both sides NO-ONE IN THEM !! What a waste a total waste, single lane most of the way for drivers cos of cycle lanes and I AM A CYCLIST !!! Disgusting waste no wonder theres pollution. All the cars waiting at traffic lights or moving at about 5 mph....TFL is to blame for pollution not drivers, not diesel get it sorted KHAN its disgraceful how you can cause this and all we hear on the radio on LBC is " I AM THE MAN WHO DID THIS, I AM THE MAN WHO DID THAT..." How about sorting out the traffic lights to get London moving so you can actually hold your head up and say "I AM THE MAN WHO GOT LONDON MOVING BY SORTING OUT THE TRAFFIC LIGHTS".... SO CARS CAN ACTUALLY MOVE ? Had a pint in my local when I got back -7 hours to oxford and back pollution never stopped traffic TFL did !! , used to take me 3 1/2 hrs....everyone in the pub is talking about these lights slowing us down in London how can we all be wrong? Yet cycle lanes are empty until home time ....does not make sense...got dash cam pics want them? Why are TFL not listening to people and acting upon the facts instead of targeting diesel drivers its simply not right and its very frustrating.
Show less of commentVib
Community Member 8 years agoLets be honest. The reason why pollution has become so lethal (as Sadiq Khan describes) is because it was labour who promoted the sales of diesel cars in the early 2000's.
Show full commentNOW they should promote and encourage to switch from Diesel to more...
Lets be honest. The reason why pollution has become so lethal (as Sadiq Khan describes) is because it was labour who promoted the sales of diesel cars in the early 2000's.
Show less of commentNOW they should promote and encourage to switch from Diesel to more cleaner alternatives, when people next change their cars. Picking on and punishing the motorist who bought cars in good faith is hardly fair, which is so far what is happening. There are other factors causing pollution which should also be addressed. Firstly black cabs should not be exempt and should be compelled to change to electric or a cleaner form of fuel. Our fleet of buses should be operating on electric. Congestion also causes pollution, but Uber cars have increased four fold in the last few years. We have reduced lanes and created cycle lanes which have increased queues and congestion - like the introduction of east-west cycle highway. Road works should be kept to minimum.
I agree that old diesels are heavily polluting and bringing in a minimum emission standard of Euro 6 would help. However what about petrol cars? A minimum emission standard of a Euro 4 on a petrol car is over doing it and will mean that people will be scrapping perfectly good cars and be required to fund the purchase of a newer vehicle. If the ULEZ is extended that will mean that 80% - 90% of car owners will be scrapping and changing their cars. Sadiq should realise that according to the AA Euro 4 (January 2005) and the later Euro 5 (September 2009) concentrated on cleaning up emissions from diesel cars, especially reducing particulate matter(PM) and oxides of nitrogen (NOx). Hence there is barely any difference between Euro 3 and 4 in a petrol car. With him insisting on the minimum for a petrol car meeting Euro 4 requirements show that he is conveniently using the air quality issue as a means of raising revenue (or picking on the motorist). Sadiq should remember that Euro 3 standards were in place a long time before his party were promoting the purchase of diesel cars and the pollution level was not considered to be that bad then.
Talk London
Official Representative 8 years agoHi all,As has been mentioned here, the Mayor has today announced the next stage of consultation around the Ultra-Low Emission Zone. This release outlines the key proposals under review – while the ULEZ will cover the same area as the existing congestion charge from 2019, the expansion of the ULEZ is proposed across Greater London for heavy diesel vehicles in 2020, and up to the North and South Circular roads for cars and vans in 2021. These different timescales are intended to provide Londoners, motorists coming into the capital from elsewhere and businesses which will be affected, sufficient time to take the necessary steps to prepare for these new standards. They also reflect the minimum amount of time needed for TfL to consult on and implement such technically complex schemes over large parts of London.You can take part in the consultation on the Transport for London Consultation Portal until 25 June 2017.Talk London Team
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Community Member 8 years agoSo TALK LONDON, by giving us "sufficient time to take the necessary steps to prepare for these new standards" does this mean that it will be expanded? What if the majority of people are against this in the later consultation in regards to...
Show full commentSo TALK LONDON, by giving us "sufficient time to take the necessary steps to prepare for these new standards" does this mean that it will be expanded? What if the majority of people are against this in the later consultation in regards to an expansion to include the south and north circular? Surely its not a done deal....?
Show less of commentRobert Munster
Community Member 8 years agoThe impact assessment is worth a read, although it is rather opaquely worded - probably on purpose, the cynic in me supposes. In summary, if I've understood it right, bringing the central London scheme forward is expected to have a one-off...
Show full commentThe impact assessment is worth a read, although it is rather opaquely worded - probably on purpose, the cynic in me supposes. In summary, if I've understood it right, bringing the central London scheme forward is expected to have a one-off health benefit worth £62m in 2019. What is not mentioned is that earlier compliance will likely lead to worse emissions in the long run, as the vehicles people buy in time for 2019 won't be as clean as the ones they would have bought in time for 2020.
I can't find any figures for how much the scheme will cost to implement and enforce, nor is there any comprehensive estimate of the cost to the public in obtaining compliant vehicles, changing travel arrangements to avoid driving in the zone, and/or paying the charge for non-compliance. There are some limited estimates for the costs to businesses however - those which are stated total £39.5m, and this is by no means comprehensive. So it appears that the costs of bringing the scheme forward almost certainly outweigh the benefits, probably several times over. These are of course just the extra costs for compliance a year earlier, not the total costs of compliance.
Of course these amounts are tiny in the context of London's overall GDP - around £400bn. Which shows just how unimportant air quality actually is as an issue in the grand scheme of things. However the Mayor is doing the classic politician's thing of deceit and scaremongering to create an illusion of a "problem" that they can then pretend to have "solved". The reality is that London's air is already the cleanest it has been for a very long time - there is no 'crisis', 'emergency' or 'scandal' as is so often claimed in the media. A 20% reduction in NOx will be hailed as a major success, even though a 19% reduction would have happened anyway with no help from the Mayor.
The point is also made that larger businesses are less likely to be affected as they can redeploy their existing fleets to use compliant vehicles within their fleets. However, whether this is a good thing is debateable. It has already been noticed that many of the 'dirty old' buses form Putney High Street have simply been moved to routes elsewhere in London - including some routes going into the ULEZ, ironically. But what do people expect? We can't just buy 1000s of new buses overnight - and nor should the general public be expected to by millions of new vans and cars overnight.
I remain of the view that the Euro regulations are doing their job and that there is no need for additional local controls of the sort proposed by the Mayor. Far more important is for the Mayor and TfL to get their own house in order, and stop wrecking London's road network, which is causing far more extra pollution than the ULEZ will prevent.
Show less of commentpeterd123
Community Member 8 years agoClassic vehicles have to be 40 years old, to be exempt.
CJWoodley
Community Member 8 years agoThe plans mentioned in the Standard are now out, and it seems the announcement is about the bringing forward of the existing ULEZ plans for central London to 2019, on which there will be a consultation until June. The plans to extend to...
Show full commentThe plans mentioned in the Standard are now out, and it seems the announcement is about the bringing forward of the existing ULEZ plans for central London to 2019, on which there will be a consultation until June. The plans to extend to south and north circular have apparently now been put off to 2020 for heavy diesel vehicles (coaches/lorries etc.) and 2021 for cars and vans. There will be a further consultation on the expansion plans after the one on bringing forward the initial central zone.
More info here:
https://www.london.gov.uk/press-releases/mayoral/mayor-plans-to-introdu…
This is welcome news to me as it looks like TfL and the Mayor are looking at realistic plans for the expansion of the ULEZ rather than rushing through an ill thought scheme to score political points. There is nothing about what the plans are for the expanded area in terms of charges but I really hope that there will be an option that is fairer than the flat rate only on some older vehicles currently proposed for the central zone. As I've said before (banged on about, some might say!!! ;-)) expansion of the ULEZ *could* both genuinely tackle air pollution and be seen as reasonable by most who have to pay the charges, but as it will cover such a huge number of Londoners it must be fair (including to those who only drive a few miles in older cars and cannot afford to replace them), it must target the right high-emitting groups, i.e. be proportional to mileage and cover all (other than ultra low emissions) vehicles not just some older ones, so high mileage drivers should have to pay more than low mileage drivers irrespective of the age of the car, and it must be done with the full consultation of all affected Londoners.
Show less of commentCJWoodley
Community Member 8 years agoApologies one correction to the above - I misread the plans for heavy diesel vehicles, and the expansion zone in 2020 is proposed to cover almost the whole of greater London not just North/South circular. The expanded zone for cars / vans /...
Show full commentApologies one correction to the above - I misread the plans for heavy diesel vehicles, and the expansion zone in 2020 is proposed to cover almost the whole of greater London not just North/South circular. The expanded zone for cars / vans / motorbikes etc. in 2021 is still only to North / South Circular.
Show less of commentAnonymous - account deleted
Community Member 8 years agoThanks for that CJWoodley! I,ll fill mine in now...
tomoscoles
Community Member 8 years agoThis should actually acknowledge that an old petrol is far less polluting than an old diesel. I really feel for independent traders who will be penalised, but for the sake of everyone's health, old diesel cars and vans that get regular use...
Show full commentThis should actually acknowledge that an old petrol is far less polluting than an old diesel. I really feel for independent traders who will be penalised, but for the sake of everyone's health, old diesel cars and vans that get regular use should be scrapped.
Show less of commentI do think that there should be exceptions, e.g. The elderly who use rarely use their car, or classic car enthusiasts etc
The Cyclist
Community Member 8 years agoClassic cars are exempt from any charges this was agreed with the transport minister way before any consultation according to classic car magazine as they are deemed to be less polluting and so low in numbers as to not make any affect on...
Show full commentClassic cars are exempt from any charges this was agreed with the transport minister way before any consultation according to classic car magazine as they are deemed to be less polluting and so low in numbers as to not make any affect on the air - yeah right !! I too feel for the elderly. It was also announced that the emergency services are also not exempt from this ULEZ which is shameful when classic cars are .....says it all doesnt it, I wonder how many old time classics are hidden away in garages in Posh Mews in central london belonging to MP,s and Mp,s friends? What gets me most is that TFL are even starting on motorbikes also.There were 35 deaths last year of motorcyclists and 15 cyclists yet TFL pour £154 million into cycling lanes yet NOTHING for motorbikes except charges...Most local authorities north of the thames dont even allow motorcycles in the bus lanes and so force them to queue like cars which is beyond me as idling clearly adds to pollution problems yet TFL say they cant get involved- really but they can get involved by telling diesel drivers they will have to change their cars or be fined ! Why dont TFL just pay diesel drivers for ther cars after all they pay £770 million for cyclists uses in London
Show less of commentAnonymous - account deleted
Community Member 8 years agoHi SG65, thanks m8, I did see this report about Walthamstow but as yet nothing online about starting tomorrow or the Government giving local authorities control over diesel cars-which would be unlawful by the way!, very annoying and...
Show full commentHi SG65, thanks m8, I did see this report about Walthamstow but as yet nothing online about starting tomorrow or the Government giving local authorities control over diesel cars-which would be unlawful by the way!, very annoying and deceitful though, Andrew Hatch from tfl specifically told my MP and I that all londoners would will be given their chance to have a say by letter to be consulted on any proposed expansion of the ulez and TFL do this!! That would just show what TFL are really about,Gonna be onto my Mp tomorrow if/after I,ve seen the news or papers, it would seem that Sadiq Khan "for ALL LONDONERS" LIED in his campaign and is NOT for all londoners if this is true!! discrimination here no doubt about it....A legal challenge I think is on the cards!!!
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Community Member 8 years agoI haven't seen any of this in papers and there's nothing on Google strangely, can you point me in the right direction Liam
Show full commentI haven't seen any of this in papers and there's nothing on Google strangely, can you point me in the right direction Liam
Show less of commentSG65
Community Member 8 years agoWilliewonka,
I picked up the Standard on my way home and it clearly says that Khan will announce it tomorrow. Having checked on the Standard online, they have not mentioned it. This was the article:
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/london...
Show full commentWilliewonka,
I picked up the Standard on my way home and it clearly says that Khan will announce it tomorrow. Having checked on the Standard online, they have not mentioned it. This was the article:
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/smog-wars-at-the-school-gates-cou…
Strange how it is in print but not online.
Show less of commentThe Cyclist
Community Member 8 years agoTFL commissioned a study about the traffic lights - and then tried to have it buried as they didnt like the results.
The road planners reported back to them that about 30 - 40% of the traffic lights in london should be removed to allow a...
Show full commentTFL commissioned a study about the traffic lights - and then tried to have it buried as they didnt like the results.
The road planners reported back to them that about 30 - 40% of the traffic lights in london should be removed to allow a better traffic flow in key areas.
In other areas they recommend that the traffic lights be replaced by mini roundabouts as they perform pretty much the same function but without the pointless stop to traffic flow when there is no other traffic flowing thru the green lights.
In some other areas that are heavily congested they suggested a combination of the 2 - traffic lights to operate most of the day but late evening to very early morning they should be switched off the mini roundabouts used.
TFL dont seem interested in maintaining a flow of traffic, they seem hell bent on slowing the traffic as much as they can - the result being far higher pollution.
Lets not forget that livingston also instructed the councils to remove the cut puts in the pavement for buses to move out of the way of traffic flow and moved stops to be opposite each other on those same roads so the traffic stuck behind bus couldn't overtake if a bus was at both stops - his words were "i'll make sure nothing moves faster than a bus so people have no reason to not be on a bus".
Show less of commentSG65
Community Member 8 years agoOne of my work colleagues pointed out an article in today's Standard. Apparently the mayor will tomorrow announce he is bringing forward the implementation of the ULEZ to 2019 and its expansion to the north/south circulars. Am I the only...
Show full commentOne of my work colleagues pointed out an article in today's Standard. Apparently the mayor will tomorrow announce he is bringing forward the implementation of the ULEZ to 2019 and its expansion to the north/south circulars. Am I the only one who has not seen any consultation? I certainly haven't seen it advertised or been notified by TFL. Maybe tomorrow will be the launch of the consultation despite it sounding like the decision has already been made.
Show less of commentAnonymous - account deleted
Community Member 8 years agoAre you sure it said that ? I cant find it anywhere online...The reason im asking is that a few days ago I had it on good authority from Andrew Hatch at TFL by email that EVERYONE who would be in the south and north circular zones affected...
Show full commentAre you sure it said that ? I cant find it anywhere online...The reason im asking is that a few days ago I had it on good authority from Andrew Hatch at TFL by email that EVERYONE who would be in the south and north circular zones affected by any proposed expansion would be personally written to and our say would be heard so I'm confused . Surely TFL wouldn't lie to us ???
Show less of commentLiamO
Community Member 8 years agoSG65
Show full commentThis has been in today's and Sunday's papers. The government has given the local authorities (and TfL) free range to impose any charging systems against diesel vehicles that they see fit. There is also a strong suggestion that there...
SG65
This has been in today's and Sunday's papers. The government has given the local authorities (and TfL) free range to impose any charging systems against diesel vehicles that they see fit. There is also a strong suggestion that there will now not be a scrappage scheme as the government estimate it would apply to around 10 million vehicles and they can't (won't) pay.
This is in response to the deadline for a clear policy on lowering vehicle emissions set by the High Court when the government lost a case brought by environmental groups. The government has now decided that it's best to just blame and fine the drivers.
I can't see how people can be asked by the previous Labour government to change to diesels, as they were considered to be ecologically better than petrol vehicles, and then get slapped in the face by a Tory govenment that sees a win win situation of looking like they are being tough on pollution while balancing the books with a nice tidy windfall from a captive audience.
This is only the tip of the iceberg - local authorities are planning to double local parking permits for diesel vehicles and are implementing phone technology that will identify a vehicle when the driver pays for a parking bay, so increasing the cost charged to diesel vehicles for on-street parking.
This is discrimination. The government was quite happy when they took the VAT from the price of your vehicle, the fuel duty when you filled it up, and the annual Vehicle Licensing fee. They are also happy to take the taxation, both personal and corporate, from all of the companies and individuals involved in the manufacture, sale, maintenance and insurance of motor vehicles. What about Sadiq Khan? "I'm on the side of ALL Londoners" was one of his campaign claims.
This is part of a desire to sanitise London for the wealthy and middle class. It is only they who will be able to afford to live in London. Those that have the least will be pushed to the outer boundaries of Greater London and made to use expensive and already chronically overcrowded public transport to come into their Minimum Wage jobs. They'll still expect you to want to buy a new electric vehicle but, when they do arrive in large enough numbers to reduce the price, the charging zone will not be dismantled.
This is as divisive as the Maggie Thatcher Poll Tax.
Show less of commentThe Cyclist
Community Member 8 years agoIt would appear that a world renowned consumer magazine does not agree that ALL DIESELS ARE BAD !!....So Mr Khan any comments ???
http://www.which.co.uk/news/2017/03/which-tests-reveal-the-worst-diesel-...
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Community Member 8 years agoI am opposed to the extension of the ULEZ beyond the congestion charging zone, unless those with older cars are given longer to replace them. The ULEZ will impose very substantial costs which many will not be able to afford; likewise...
Show full commentI am opposed to the extension of the ULEZ beyond the congestion charging zone, unless those with older cars are given longer to replace them. The ULEZ will impose very substantial costs which many will not be able to afford; likewise buying a new car when one's present car is only a few years old is beyond many people's budget and also imposes other environmental costs. Outside the central area public transport is not necessarily good, especially in the evening and especially as you get further out. I drive into the area within the south circular to pick up public transport, as services into London in the evenings are so poor where I live. Those who can't afford a new car will either have to reduce their activities or pay high charges they cannot afford either, while those who can afford to buy a new car pay nothing. Not very fair.
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Community Member 8 years agoI think it safe to say there are way too many cabs and buses blocking the arteries of londons roads-mainly Central London not south london - if there were less buses and cabs then the normal traffic could move easier, buses just pull out in...
Show full commentI think it safe to say there are way too many cabs and buses blocking the arteries of londons roads-mainly Central London not south london - if there were less buses and cabs then the normal traffic could move easier, buses just pull out in front of people as the bus in front may still be loading or broken down forcing everyone to stop. If there were less of these then people would probably have to find other ways of getting around. Its not fair to just blame deisels or drivers all the time for londons pollution, TFL have to take a bit of blame there unfortunately. It was the Labour party to encouraged people all over the UK to buy deisels anyway and here you are now telling people different.I cycle a lot but I also drive a Deisel car and always have as it was a great deal at the time.Unfortunately what the government is proposing- a scrappage scheme wher drivers would get between £1k-£3.5k towards a new car would be totally unfiar and descrimanatory. What if (and possibly true for 3/4 of drivers) they dont have say £10k towards a new car ! will the government still force that person to give up his car and so have nothing while a man in essex gets away scot free? thats not right clearly as they both bought them with hard cash so its only right the government should give them hard cash back. In HONG KONG they are doing a deisel scrappage scheme and all deisel drivers are offered £9k (£9000.00) cash sterling to scrap their cars - now thats fair money in your hand NOT TOWARDS A NEW CAR !, did you know deisel drivers there dont pay tax on diesel ? So by offering UK drivers a paltry £1k for their car is morally wrong at least. Less buses and taxes in central london would be a start, cars and vans would move easier, get someone who knows about traffic systems as TFL,s clearly not working i notice more traffic queues now than before Sadiq Khan was employed, its not working and to just blame drivers and penalise them is just wrong. Do not extend the ULEZ it will make poorer people poorer they need these pre 2005 cars and bikes to get to work-you will force people out of work, that is obvious.Give people the right to vote on this , I was told about this ULEZ through word of mouth how come I never knew of its existence or plans to extend it ? If it affects londoners then all londoners need to be consulted.Something seems underhanded here that they dont know.You cannot pedestrianize london its just too big and transport is needed to get around even for delivery drivers,couriers (bikes and cars) some people commute into london daily.Motorcycles need full access to all bus lanes theyre being pushed out into the traffic by bicycle lanes although great at times they are a hindrance to be honest.£770 million for cycle lanes is way too much this money is wasted here invest it better but not on this please thats stupid ! Improve the road network instead.Everyone has to spread the word as most londoners dont know about TFL.s efforts to implement this, I for one did not get a leaflet through my door, how many residents live in London over 8 million and yet this is being done on the backs of only 10,000 people who went for it using this website whilst we the rest of london never knew about it STOP TFL and SADIQ KHAN now and spread the word of their intentions !! I keep seeing NOX blamed for this pollution too but also PM25 both different chemicals TFL which is directly to blame for deaths in London please ? Has no one noticed that any topic relating to the ULEZ -ULTRA LOW EMISSION ZONE Is NOT on the main TALK LONDON HOME PAGE, are TFL deliberately trying to stop people having there say by any chance? Home page is all about recycle, cleaner london etc....
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Community Member 8 years agoRobert Munster , problem is we wont be getting a euro 8 as we wont be in the euro by then this is why khan is anxious to bring the date forward to 2019 as we cant then say . " how can you impose rules from the EU we aint in it", its also...
Show full commentRobert Munster , problem is we wont be getting a euro 8 as we wont be in the euro by then this is why khan is anxious to bring the date forward to 2019 as we cant then say . " how can you impose rules from the EU we aint in it", its also why hes said already any rules he makes before we leave will still stay in place after we leave-I struggle to see how that's even legal when we leave !!
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