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Remove the ridiculous 'low traffic neighbourhoods' and cycle lanes that were rushed through with little thought or planning, simply because the money was available post Covid. These do nothing to help air quality, in fact, they exacerbate the problem by causing bigger traffic jams and slower moving traffic. They do provide a good getaway route for criminals on two wheels, while at the same time, slowing response times for the emergency services.
They discriminate against the elderly and the disabled, as well as the 'time-poor,' who are unable to cycle or walk everywhere. People living on Council estates, do not always have storage space for a fleet of bicycles, and it's all very well cycling to work from Bayswater to the West End through Hyde Park, but a different story if you have to cycle up the Old Kent Road,
Cycling is promoted by mainly middle-class white males through organised and vociferous lobby groups, as some sort of ideology that gives no consideration to anyone else.
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Community Member 4 years ago"I happen to be a Transport Planner so this is my area of expertise"
Do you drive for a living ? I haven't seen much expertise in vehicle transport for years apart from revenue creation.
I am a self-employed engineer who needs to drive to...
Show full comment"I happen to be a Transport Planner so this is my area of expertise"
Do you drive for a living ? I haven't seen much expertise in vehicle transport for years apart from revenue creation.
I am a self-employed engineer who needs to drive to multiple jobs in London carrying heavy equipment and tools.
Last Thursday I had three Covid safe jobs in Islington. Every location was affected by LTNs .
As a result I estimated that I spent at least an extra 30 minutes in my vehicle. Essex Rd, Holloway Rd and Highbury Corner jammed, this is not normally the case mid morning. I cannot see how net total pollution is reduced . Further the buses are further delayed too making public transport slower.
Instead of constantly bashing drivers of vehicles why isn't more being done to improve traffic flow. Here are some very simple ideas for you.
Show less of comment1. Intelligent traffic lights. Especially in rush hour when significant traffic volumes are travelling in one direction.
2. More control of roadworks and utility works with better traffic management. We all know of roads that are constantly affected and is there enough pressure on contractors to complete the work in a reasonable time?
3. Stop refuse collection on main roads in rush hour. These can cause major congestion and pollution. Simple and effective.
4. Increase the efficiency of bus services. How often do you see two buses on the same route in convoy?
5. Remove more illegal cars who drive without Tax, MOTs and insurance
6. More monitoring of taxis and Uber (& others) there are too many.
yaxow
Community Member 4 years agoI disagree with almost everything Paul263 has written, apart from "[it's] a different story if you have to cycle up the Old Kent Road". I used to live in Peckham, not far from the OKR and agree.
I have a solution - reduce the speed limit...
Show full commentI disagree with almost everything Paul263 has written, apart from "[it's] a different story if you have to cycle up the Old Kent Road". I used to live in Peckham, not far from the OKR and agree.
I have a solution - reduce the speed limit on OKR, AND create a segregated cycle path on the OKR. Sorted! :)
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Community Member 4 years agoNo way! Were residents ever consulted on whether they want their streets to be used by increasing numbers of drivers using their once quiet streets as shortcuts? No they weren't! A recently published study says that 'The introduction of a...
Show full commentNo way! Were residents ever consulted on whether they want their streets to be used by increasing numbers of drivers using their once quiet streets as shortcuts? No they weren't! A recently published study says that 'The introduction of a low traffic neighbourhood was associated with a 10% decrease in total street crime.' https://osf.io/preprints/socarxiv/ftm8d
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Community Member 4 years agoLTNs need careful design, then they do reduce air and noise pollution and hugely improve resident's health and lives. The original theory was that if you close a busy street, traffic will redeploy and reduce, some drivers will choose to...
Show full commentLTNs need careful design, then they do reduce air and noise pollution and hugely improve resident's health and lives. The original theory was that if you close a busy street, traffic will redeploy and reduce, some drivers will choose to use different transport. This is still believed by many traffic planners. In fact other research has shown that this is not a rule of traffic design & management, or an automatic outcome of hundreds or thousands of driver-choices. It very much depends on the local road layout, destinations served by the street, and other factors. So before an LTN decision is made, a different analysis of the impacts of the road closure is needed to the one currently being used? Where I live, much of the polluting (noise & air) local traffic is commercial vehicles and taxis. Taxis would find other routes (though they are getting fed up with constantly having to do this), but very many of the servicing and delivery vehicles have local destinations and limited ways of reaching them. If our residential streets become an LTN (fat chance!!), then other residential streets in this parish or ward will get more traffic. One partial solution is to make all vehicles lpt or electric, with greater speed than currently planned for - the other is to take the central London consumer society temples out of the centre, downsize them to the areas where people live.
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Community Member 4 years agoBetter to redesign for safer cycling than to give up on the concept altogether. It is right that many cycle lanes have brought more traffic congestion. And it is not as if many cyclists use them - at least not in my area where they are...
Show full commentBetter to redesign for safer cycling than to give up on the concept altogether. It is right that many cycle lanes have brought more traffic congestion. And it is not as if many cyclists use them - at least not in my area where they are daily observed choosing the pedestrian part of the pavement over the two available cycle lanes (one new on the road, and the one on the pavement).
There is much need of safe walking routes for pedestrians, as currently there are too many roads without full pedestrian-phase traffic lights for crossing them, too many electric scooters, bikes, skateboards etc on the pavements at high speed, and little respect for pedestrians. Near us there is a so-called Safe Route for walking to a local park, but it is in fact the outcome of careless thinking. It is not a safe route because to reach the park it is necessary to cross at a junction where there are no traffic lights and vehicles come zooming round at speed. It is a Virtue Signalling Safe Route, not a real one. Pedestrians deserve better.
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Community Member 4 years agoYou might as well change the title of this idea to "Open Roads for Vehicles to pollute, congest & kill our neighbourhoods". They reduce and discourage traffic, which improves air quality. They have NO IMPACT on emergency services. "Getaway...
Show full commentYou might as well change the title of this idea to "Open Roads for Vehicles to pollute, congest & kill our neighbourhoods". They reduce and discourage traffic, which improves air quality. They have NO IMPACT on emergency services. "Getaway route for criminals"? What does that mean? Who are "time-poor"? They increase safety for vulnerable road users like the elderly by reducing traffic and associated road danger. Given the widespread and diverse residents groups that are supporting and lobbying for LTNs, your last is absolute "Daily Mail" nonsense where it is demonstrable that improvements in active travel increases health and wellbeing and increases economic activity in local areas boosting local businesses whilst freeing up our roads and public transport for those who actually need it. So in short, the above comment is complete garbage from start to finish and not backed up by any evidence.
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Community Member 4 years agoAnd your comment is completely missing the point. I shall spell it out for you. I live on a road that has been closed. The neighbouring roads are now gridlocked with traffic that can no longer use the road that has been closed. It may have...
Show full commentAnd your comment is completely missing the point. I shall spell it out for you. I live on a road that has been closed. The neighbouring roads are now gridlocked with traffic that can no longer use the road that has been closed. It may have improved the air quality on my road, but it has increased it on adjoining roads, ergo, no net gain.
Show less of commentI suggest you look at the email from the Kensington Borough Commander of the London Fire Brigade to RBKC as to whether emergency services are impacted.
Criminals on mopeds and bicycles are able to dart between these flower pots that are blocking roads and escape pursuing police cars.
Time-poor are, for example, those who have children at different schools who also have jobs.
There are many lobbying for the removal of LTNs, including where I live.
"Daily Mail nonsense?" I presume you consider that sufficient to dismiss the comment, which, incidentally, is backed by as much evidence as the assertions you make.
szkendler
Community Member 4 years agoYour argument re: "no net-gain" is based on the false premise that traffic levels will remain on high on adjoining roads.
This does not take into account - a) impacts of LTNs reducing routing through your area, b) low public transport...
Show full commentYour argument re: "no net-gain" is based on the false premise that traffic levels will remain on high on adjoining roads.
This does not take into account - a) impacts of LTNs reducing routing through your area, b) low public transport usage due to covid & c) how the long term effects of these will bring reductions in traffic, increased public transport use and more people walking and cycling. This is the idea of LTNs.
I happen to be a Transport Planner so this is my area of expertise. Read TfL's LTNs guidance for more info on the principles of LTNs (https://madeby.tfl.gov.uk/2020/12/15/low-traffic-neighbourhoods/)
Next re: emergency services. There is little evidence that it delays them as shown here: https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/feb/13/covid-bike-and-walking-…
"Time-poor" is a made up term. Everyone is busy and "time poor". This is a nothing term.
As for crime, data shows LTNs actually make streets safer, read this study: https://ideas.repec.org/p/osf/socarx/ftm8d.html#:~:text=Overall%2C%20th…)
If anything, the data shows LTNS don't go far enough and that we should be doing more to adapt our streets for active travel (https://www.roadpeace.org/2021/02/25/low-traffic-neighbourhoods-and-mai…)
And there is data to show that most-deprived benefit from LTNs as well:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/ng-interactive/2021/mar/02/low-traffi…
Notwithstanding, boosting local businesses:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/carltonreid/2018/11/16/cyclists-spend-40-m…
Unlike you, I do have evidence to back my position. Happy reading Paul...
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