Affordability of housing

Affordability of housing is a major issue in London. Why do you think this is? Who does it affect?

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Affordability of housing is a major issue in London. Why do you think this is? Who does it affect?

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Supply and Demand are forces beyond the mayors control, but simply concentrating on more supply will be a never ending task that can never achieve affordability in the long term
This will continue until every piece of land capable of being...

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Supply and Demand are forces beyond the mayors control, but simply concentrating on more supply will be a never ending task that can never achieve affordability in the long term
This will continue until every piece of land capable of being built on is covered with flats, when that is done the low rise ones will be replaced with high-rise
When new housing is built, no further investment is made in amenities, there are very rarely more tube stations, fever libraries GPs or hospitals, and longer queues
When there was not enough water, Thames water built a desalination plant which draws water from the Thames to Supply North East London. There must be an environmental impact building and operating this facility.
The more housing there is the more people there will be. Cars are blamed for pollution. People drive cars. More people, more cars, more pollution, less quality of life. There is affordable housing, an abundance of water and less stretched public services in other parts of the UK.
The Mayors proposed licensing of landlords will add bureaucracy and cost that will ultimately only favour letting agents. Any costs the Mayor imposes will likely be matched by agents who will charge landlords, and use it as a reason to increase rentals again. This is a potential 'own goal' by the Mayor in terms of outcome but if the agenda is about gaining power and control perhaps that is a price the Mayor feels renters have to pay

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Some of you have mentioned there is not enough housing.

What would help with this? Who is responsible for building more homes?

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the councils and mayor office are responsible,

you need to stop the sale of land for peanuts to developers who then only build a small proportion of lower cost (yet still unaffordable) properties. council land sold to developers should be...

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the councils and mayor office are responsible,

you need to stop the sale of land for peanuts to developers who then only build a small proportion of lower cost (yet still unaffordable) properties. council land sold to developers should be a minimum of 80% genuinely affordable homes not the current premise of affordable

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Genuine question - Why is council tax linked to house value? I rent a room for very high rent (obviously) in a Georgian terrace in Hackney. It's worth a lot of money and falls into the highest council tax band. But this doesn't reflect the...

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Genuine question - Why is council tax linked to house value? I rent a room for very high rent (obviously) in a Georgian terrace in Hackney. It's worth a lot of money and falls into the highest council tax band. But this doesn't reflect the reality of the four of us who live there. I earn way less than the average UK salary and don't really get why I pay such high council tax when I don't use more services than the next person and I don't benefit from the high property value. I don't think the old system reflects the reality of the current market - with loads of low paid workers living in houses and paying the mortgage for their landlords on houses that were originally home to one family.

As for general affordability, council housing should never have been sold off. It's still happening isn't it? Despite all the evidence of a growing crisis. Nobody is building truly affordable housing. My partner and I both work full time, over 45 hours a week, in professional jobs. Can't afford a place in London even if we went in with his sister too. Tiny flats starting at £450k aren't affordable. Can't save for a deposit anyway because I spend about 70% of my salary on rent/bills, most of the rest goes on food.

The property developers are getting away with murder. Allowed to buy their way out of social housing obligations and consistently falling short of the targets.

As a country we would benefit from a 2nd and 3rd city that competes with London culturally. This is happening slowly but maybe if schemes were in place to incentivise young entrepreneurs and creatives to start up in a different city, Manchester, Birmingham etc. then things would speed up. More investment in these places and we should definitely move the seat of government outside of London too. Loads of jobs would go with it, it would be fairer for the country and more representative, and the Houses of Parliament are crumbling anyway, with huge repair bill, so now is the perfect time to do it.

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A quarter of all properties in London or almost 800K, represents social housing thus already affordable. There is also financial support (Housing benefit) to help people meet the cost of their private rent (£260 per week for 1 bed).

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A quarter of all properties in London or almost 800K, represents social housing thus already affordable. There is also financial support (Housing benefit) to help people meet the cost of their private rent (£260 per week for 1 bed).

Almost half of the social houses are occupied by 1 resident and a quarter of them have 2 residents (70% in total). Less than 800K persons from a population of 9M in London occupy two thirds of all social houses. Of these 60% are economically inactive (300 – 400K) and the remainder are retired, full-time carers, long-term sick or disabled. Relatively few social houses are actually occupied by families with children.

As part of the wider discussion I would like to understand the criteria of awarding 200 – 250K social houses to a population of 300 – 400K who are economically inactive without being retired or having a health issue. To put things into context, there are less than 7K new affordable homes being built in London per year.

Personally I do not think that the existing stock is used efficiently at all and new builds will not solve a deeper problem if anything it will exacerbate it.

https://www.theguardian.com/housing-network/2015/nov/18/who-lives-41-mi…

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No doubt the developers themselves contribute to the unaffordability by using loopholes that allow them to claim that a required proportion of "affordable" housing would make some projects commercially "unviable". This is greedy, cynical...

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No doubt the developers themselves contribute to the unaffordability by using loopholes that allow them to claim that a required proportion of "affordable" housing would make some projects commercially "unviable". This is greedy, cynical and self-perpetuating and should not be allowed.

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i agree - also i think its a total conflict of interest for developers to be funding the mayoral candidates

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The housing market, as any other market, is based on supply and demand. Decrease the availability of a resource, or product and it is only natural that the demand for it will increase, thereby, increasing the value of the resource or...

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The housing market, as any other market, is based on supply and demand. Decrease the availability of a resource, or product and it is only natural that the demand for it will increase, thereby, increasing the value of the resource or product.

The crime committed by successive governments, circa 1980, up to the present, is of cultivating the laissez-faire attitude that has brought us to this position of extreme disparity of wealth and opportunity. That the housing market can be divided up between a few investors and those seeking large property portfolios, is testament to the avarice that defined government thought from the period of the Iron Lady and sadly, up to today.

Properties remain uninhabited, because they represent an investment, or more nefarious, a better safety deposit box than any bank and with all the confidentiality that comes along with making large deposits. Overseas 'investors' are destroying the lives of Londoners and successive governments are actively encouraging them to do so.

The playground of the rich; I'm sure that is precisely the title sought for London. Yet, we all get bored. Sooner or later, we move on to find more places and things of interest. The sad thing is that government does not care to recognise the impact of concentrating wealth in one area. England could be such a wonderful country to live in, if only we could escape the view of London being the centre of the universe. The distribution of wealth, regionally, could alleviate a lot of social problems.

No contemporary government has truly represented the concerns of the populous, being swayed by the influence of business; all too ready to assuage its conscience by pronouncing that what was done, was done for the good of the people. Which people, exactly? Affordable housing no longer exists, because average people cannot hope to earn enough to afford a home at the consistently inflated market prices. year on year, property prices increase by an average of 7%. What hope then?

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One of the problems for me is the cost of an 'affordable' home - even on the share to buy / help to buy schemes. I see a £400k figure banded around as affordable for a studio/1 bed flat. I don't consider £400k to be affordable.

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One of the problems for me is the cost of an 'affordable' home - even on the share to buy / help to buy schemes. I see a £400k figure banded around as affordable for a studio/1 bed flat. I don't consider £400k to be affordable.

Something else I see is a lot of new developments which are available on share to buy / help to buy are 'luxury' developments, often with a gym/roof terrace/ concierge service included at a higher cost. I think there is a demand for non-luxury new developments of similar sized properties without all the added luxury and a smaller cost.

Stamp duty is also a big obstacle for first time buyers (and I imagine 2nd, 3rd and 4th etc time buyers too!). Almost every property price in London is above the stamp duty threshold. I have calculated it will take me another 4+ years just to save the stamp duty amount on top of my deposit... and this is on a property on the share to buy scheme...

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Thanks for your views and suggestions.

Some of you have mentioned foreign ownership. How big a problem do you think this is in London? What should help with this?

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I have recently commenced renting a one year old one bed apartment. Having viewed many new build apartment blocks and chatted to the agents regarding these, its ownership and use is pretty standard for these new "flash" apartments. Our...

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I have recently commenced renting a one year old one bed apartment. Having viewed many new build apartment blocks and chatted to the agents regarding these, its ownership and use is pretty standard for these new "flash" apartments. Our block is 60% rented to rich overseas students and 40% mainly rented to london workers according to the managing agent. The ownership is mainly overseas investors. It was marketed in Singapore. The cheapest apartment sold according to rightmove is just under one million.
I was shocked to see and experience these statistics. Why are there not planning laws that prevent blocks being marketed as investment opportunities to overseas owners? The developers will obviously sell to the highest bidder - that is their business plan. But, just as Guernsey and st Ives (I believe?) zone areas or properties for locals only, and have a two tier property market, why can't London?

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Further to my first reply, I have also experienced living in another new build apartment block. Again, it was mainly owed by non citizens. This time, they were mainly left empty except for our cooler summer months. What a waste of housing...

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Further to my first reply, I have also experienced living in another new build apartment block. Again, it was mainly owed by non citizens. This time, they were mainly left empty except for our cooler summer months. What a waste of housing, empty most of the year, when there is a great need for Londoners to live in London. Again, the planning laws could be changed to have locals only developments.

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I see there being a series of "cause and effect" impacts on housing costs.

1. The "Right to Buy" scheme was implemented without the requirement for councils to replace the social housing that was sold ... therefore as social housing stock...

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I see there being a series of "cause and effect" impacts on housing costs.

1. The "Right to Buy" scheme was implemented without the requirement for councils to replace the social housing that was sold ... therefore as social housing stock is reduced, more and more people are forced into the private rental sector, thus reducing private rental stock and driving up prices

2. In addition, the planning process is unbelievably labrynthine and complex ... which causes delays to construction and increases the developer's costs ... which they pass onto purchasers, including local housing authorities

3. Developers are able to pay money to councils to get themselves released from obligations such as building a percentage of homes as social and affordable housing ... although this money is meant to go to initiatives in the area, in reality it will not go towards housing, therefore not enough social housing stock is built ... and all housing stock being built in the area then becomes "luxury", not affordable

4. Agents have significant power and are partially responsible for the escalating cost of housing ... keeping up with the Joneses to allow agents to make as much commission as possible from landlords and vendors

All four of these issues need to be addressed - it is not simply a question of building more homes, but rather building enough of the right homes and applying controls to the house building and estate agent sectors. London does not need "luxury" homes; it needs affordable and social homes to reduce the burden on the private rental sector and thereby return some power to private renters who will then need not be afraid to speak up about poor standards and quality of accommodation. There needs to be a limit in the rate of increase of rents and developers must not be allowed to get out of building affordable homes by buying their way out of their obligations.

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Investing in property is popular means of acquiring capital,pushing up prices and leading to profiteering at the expense of potential first time buyers, renters. This is very unfair and skews the market impacting supply and demand...

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Investing in property is popular means of acquiring capital,pushing up prices and leading to profiteering at the expense of potential first time buyers, renters. This is very unfair and skews the market impacting supply and demand. Mortgages should not be given to commercial landlords,only to private owner occupiers. Councils should requisition private property owned by foreigners and left empty for more than a year.

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The so called affordable housing is not affordable. I keep being sent shared home ownership property lists showing a three bed house which as 100% share is £800,000. I know the land they are building on was bought cheaply so they are making...

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The so called affordable housing is not affordable. I keep being sent shared home ownership property lists showing a three bed house which as 100% share is £800,000. I know the land they are building on was bought cheaply so they are making a huge mark up on the buildings. I would like to know just who is buying these places as they are surprisingly soon occupied but not by locals. Why can't London be like Jersey or Cornwall where you have to have a local connection to buy more affordable lower value older properties which seems to be all bought up by buy to let property companies.

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Blindingly obvious housing is increasingly unaffordable in London, not helped by new developments aimed directly at investors (with local residents social cleansed to make room for them)

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Affordability is a major issue, and one of the worst aspects is that families of locals who were born and raised in London are being broken apart,and our communities are being broken up with it.

There are simply too many people moving to...

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Affordability is a major issue, and one of the worst aspects is that families of locals who were born and raised in London are being broken apart,and our communities are being broken up with it.

There are simply too many people moving to London - whether it's the hipsters who treat each town like an Apple product on a ln update cycle or foreign "investment" where people are using outlet housing stock as a safety deposit box, the problem is the discrepancy between supply and demand. At this stage we can't realistically meet demand, so as well as increasing the number of GENUINELY AFFORDABLE houses, completely curtailing the "luxury" flat market by stopping thslese overpriced developments, we must also cut demand. Make it harder for non-Londoners to move here. Maybe some kind of visa system.
- no more "luxury" developments granted planning permission
- no more foreign investment from China, Russia and the middle East etc.
- restrictions on who can buy property, prioritising London natives, i.e people who have their roots in London (schooled here,family roots or living here from a young age)

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In the 1960's and 1970's we had a thriving house building sector producing many more houses than are built today. If you ask any builder or construction professional they will tell you that the biggest single factor in restricting house...

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In the 1960's and 1970's we had a thriving house building sector producing many more houses than are built today. If you ask any builder or construction professional they will tell you that the biggest single factor in restricting house building is the planning process. This not only results in far fewer houses being built but adds significantly to the cost. Not just in planning department required changes to designs but in the delay and the longer a developer or contractor has to hold the land before he can build the more it costs him and he will inevitably pass on the cost to the consumer.
While I concede the planning department has it's uses, the introduction of planning legislation in the 1970's led to a huge increase in the number of planners and a corresponding reduction in the number of houses built.
It is time that the numbers in this bureaucratic system are reduced to the benefit of both council tax payers and those requiring housing. There should also be time constraints so that developments proceed in months not years.
We need more housing in London and at affordable levels and it is time a critical look was taken at the planners.

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I think it is a fallacy that it is the planning process that gets in the way of developing genuinely affordable homes for ordinary people. Planning regulation has changed a lot in the last decade or so, with power being shifted in favour...

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I think it is a fallacy that it is the planning process that gets in the way of developing genuinely affordable homes for ordinary people. Planning regulation has changed a lot in the last decade or so, with power being shifted in favour of developers. Developers hold onto land for other reasons. They can work with planning officers from early on with respect to designs, so changes should not be as much of an issue as they used to be. It is not in the interest of developers to provide affordable housing so it cannot be left to the market. I would rather see more stringent planning controls so that the UK gets good architectural design instead of the uniform ugliness and mediocrity that plagues the whole country.

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It simply makes no sense to price workers (at all wage levels except the very highest) out of our economically most productive city - especially when we're still trying to shake off the effects of the financial crash.

London's economy will...

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It simply makes no sense to price workers (at all wage levels except the very highest) out of our economically most productive city - especially when we're still trying to shake off the effects of the financial crash.

London's economy will suffer - growth is already slowing as workers leave, or don't come in because the price of housing reduces their overall disposable income to levels they can't afford. Even those who stay have lower disposable incomes, leaving less to spend in local shops, restaurants etc etc. In turn this means lower wages, fewer jobs, less tax paid.

I've contributed to London's economy for 20 years but have been forced out - let alone the personal anguish this causes, London no longer receives the benefit of my labour, my council tax nor my disposable income. I'm a well-paid professional so how will our essential services survive if the average worker can't afford to live in London. I hear that the prisons and ambulance service are already in recruitment crises.

House prices are destroying London, and the UK as a result - I know several people who've left London in the last 2 years - some elsewhere in the UK, others emigrating. With Brexit and an older population and a country that no longer wants immigrants, just who exactly is going to do the work which produces the taxes and the GDP? In the long run, it's wrecking the whole economy.

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no mention that all these flats being built are leasehold? I.e. you are still a tenant even though you are spending £ hundreds of thousands on it? #leaseholdscandal

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I agree - also feel that new leaseholds and those being reviewed should be in excess of 250 years - 999 years being fairer in view of the price being paid for these homes. - should be as close to freehold as possible. Also the cost of...

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I agree - also feel that new leaseholds and those being reviewed should be in excess of 250 years - 999 years being fairer in view of the price being paid for these homes. - should be as close to freehold as possible. Also the cost of extending leases should come down - leaseholders should not have to keep topping up the length of their lease to maintain the value of their leasehold property. Top ups should be for longer terms. Ground rents and service charges should be better regulated and fairer.

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Thanks everyone for sharing your views so far.

Many of you have mentioned the high cost of housing. What help should be available to those who can't afford housing in London? Who should provide this help?

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the existing schemes dont go far enough, they set you up to fail

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Bring back 100% mortgages. I purchased my first home with a 100% mortgage from the Greater London Council (GLC). I would not have been able to afford the deposit without this facility. Councils also used to be able to provide mortgages....

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Bring back 100% mortgages. I purchased my first home with a 100% mortgage from the Greater London Council (GLC). I would not have been able to afford the deposit without this facility. Councils also used to be able to provide mortgages. This could be reinstated to help young people get onto the housing ladder. Proof of affordability could be based on rent they have been paying - high rents in London makes it difficult to save for a deposit. However,,if buyers can demonstrate the level of rent they are paying would be in line with any mortgage then this should be proof that they can afford their 100% mortgage.

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Affordability used to be linked to income rather than a number plucked from the air by out of touch politicians. I have been homeless for nine years, either staying with friends and family or living as a guardian. I now earn slightly more...

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Affordability used to be linked to income rather than a number plucked from the air by out of touch politicians. I have been homeless for nine years, either staying with friends and family or living as a guardian. I now earn slightly more than the average wage as a lecturer yet I still can't afford to rent or buy, even on a part rent, part buy scheme.
There are too many investment properties and too many 'luxury' properties.

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The real reson that housing is no longer affordable for most people is directly related to the current government's fiscal policy. By attempting to suppress inflation and by reducing the Bank of England interest rate, there are no accounts...

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The real reson that housing is no longer affordable for most people is directly related to the current government's fiscal policy. By attempting to suppress inflation and by reducing the Bank of England interest rate, there are no accounts that would pay the kind of returns that can be got from dealing in property. This has produced a situation where houses have become the new gambling chips and the value of property has risen exponentially. I have no doubt that there are properties all around London which have not seen a tenant in the last 5 years and are being held purely as assets in someone's portfolio.
There is a very big bubble building that is due for a bang before too long. When this happens, the rich will again get richer while the poor will lose all they have.

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The affordability of housing in London, like everywhere else, is directly related to its availability. Make more houses available and prices will stabilise and, with inflation, gradually become more affordable. Obviously, more houses means...

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The affordability of housing in London, like everywhere else, is directly related to its availability. Make more houses available and prices will stabilise and, with inflation, gradually become more affordable. Obviously, more houses means more land to build them on and this is the crux of the problem.
The idea of the Mayor's Office having first choice on the purchase of any land suitable for housing, has merits, as it would allow the Mayor's Office to set conditions for the types and prices of housing to be built there.
Obviously, such a scheme is dependent on land being purchased at a fair price. Either that, or give the Mayor's Office the power to compulsorily purchase the land.

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