Sensor data examples
What do you think of practical uses of sensors such as air quality monitors and smart lampposts?
As part of the Smart London Plan consultation, we asked for your views using sensor data to improve public services. Some practical uses for sensors are already up-and-running in London, some are being planned:
Smart lampposts: Street lighting can be automatically switched off when it isn’t needed. It can be tailored to particular lighting conditions, reducing energy waste and potentially saving millions for the taxpayer. Lampposts could also host Wi-Fi connections, charge electric vehicles or monitor where car parking exists. In the coming years, new lampposts will be rolled out in at least six cities in Europe, including London, as part of the Sharing Cities programme.
Air quality sensors: These have become much more affordable and therefore can be places in thousands of locations in one city. City Hall is working with the Alan Turing Institute to gather together data from these sensors to better understand air pollution hotspot locations and times.
Asset management sensors: In Porto, Portugal, sensors are attached to rubbish skips to tell the authorities when they need emptying. This saves the taxpayer money by ensuring that municipal collections don’t waste time and fuel on trips to half-full containers.
What do you think of these examples? Which would you like to see more of? Which are you concerned about? Does the type of data being collected make a difference to your views?
The discussion ran from 11 October 2018 - 11 January 2019
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Community Member 6 years agoIt is all well and and good collecting all this data but if you don't put it to practical use then what is the point?
Show full commentIt is all well and and good collecting all this data but if you don't put it to practical use then what is the point?
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Community Member 6 years agoWhy wouldn’t you try to run London smart and efficiently. But this is potentially v sensitive data and needs to be properly safeguarded and regulated.
Show full commentWhy wouldn’t you try to run London smart and efficiently. But this is potentially v sensitive data and needs to be properly safeguarded and regulated.
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Community Member 6 years agoWorking with such concepts I found that Infrared Cameras protect privacy and provide information needed for traffic management and other purposes. Are there any plans for that?
Show full commentWorking with such concepts I found that Infrared Cameras protect privacy and provide information needed for traffic management and other purposes. Are there any plans for that?
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Community Member 6 years agoI think that an aggregate of data could be presented every day in graphic (to be accurately studied) in some places like Piccadilly screen, Covent Garden, main Railway Stationg, Famous Museum, Shopping Arcade tec.
Show full commentI think that an aggregate of data could be presented every day in graphic (to be accurately studied) in some places like Piccadilly screen, Covent Garden, main Railway Stationg, Famous Museum, Shopping Arcade tec.
Show less of commentjames_london
Community Member 6 years agoSmart lampposts are a good idea. Electric vehicle charging and the ability to tell remotely when a lamp-post charging point and parking space is or will be available and to book it via an app. Car parking space information would be helpful...
Show full commentSmart lampposts are a good idea. Electric vehicle charging and the ability to tell remotely when a lamp-post charging point and parking space is or will be available and to book it via an app. Car parking space information would be helpful if shared via APIs to Google Maps etc. WiFi is of limited value (cellular coverage is generally decent) and may just end up being abused by local dwellings (as a free alternative to home broadband!), leaving less bandwidth for the post's public service functions!
Air quality sensors should be added to smart lampposts and would be a minimal extra cost. The resulting data can be used for planning (traffic management, road charging) but also real-time to allow residents to plan a travel time and route that minimises their exposure (e.g. CItymapper 'healthiest route'). Because pollution levels are very variable per location and time of day this has potential to improve health.
These both help scarce resources to be used more efficiently. Asset management is a business case for Councils to think about. Overlfowing bins aren't a problem in my area but might be in some.
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Official Representative 6 years agoThanks everyone for sharing your views in this discussion.
Does the type of data being colected make a difference to your views? Is mobile phone data for instance any different from air quality sensors, or sensors on bins to understand best collections?
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Community Member 6 years agoYes, totally! Also the level of granularity and how easily it can be linked with other data is important.
Show full commentYes, totally! Also the level of granularity and how easily it can be linked with other data is important.
Show less of commentemspaws
Community Member 6 years agogood idea more smart tech for recycling eg some way to encourage people not to put plastic in a normal bin or flash messages like you have saved xxx in the ocean etc
more ways to encourage physical activity linked to smart phones - eg...
Show full commentgood idea more smart tech for recycling eg some way to encourage people not to put plastic in a normal bin or flash messages like you have saved xxx in the ocean etc
more ways to encourage physical activity linked to smart phones - eg gamification using smart tech
cycle lane traffic lights are great but often are ridculously slow at changing when there is no traffic or pedestrians on road can ofren take a lot longer to get to work that needed.
street lighting mixed views some areas are sacry as a single female when dark and im heading into them eg the sensor wouldnt pick me up until i was closer. but agree a way to turn off certain lights when not used helpful
good initiaves in eurpoe where population walking genertes power on pavements.
Careoline
Community Member 6 years agoThey might help; but the causes of bad air quality need to be urgently addressed, and you still need to pay people to manage everyone's waste .
Show full commentThey might help; but the causes of bad air quality need to be urgently addressed, and you still need to pay people to manage everyone's waste .
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Community Member 6 years agoHow much does all this fancy technology cost? I sense a goldmine for London's tech industry, at the expense of the hard-pressed taxpayer.
It's pointless to fit air quality sensors on every lamppost, every tree and every bike rack. We...
Show full commentHow much does all this fancy technology cost? I sense a goldmine for London's tech industry, at the expense of the hard-pressed taxpayer.
It's pointless to fit air quality sensors on every lamppost, every tree and every bike rack. We know we have an air pollution problem. The Mayor needs to get on with addressing it. Sensors are just a distraction and all this fancy technology will leave the Mayor with no money left to do anything practical to solve the problem.
The council fitted a sensor on a lamppost on my road that measured vehicle speed and flashed it on a big screen, with the words: "Slow down!" Sadly, it only worked for 2 days.
Show less of commentjimCresswell
Community Member 6 years agoDigital infrastucture could be a powerful way to improve peoples' lives in London, as long as any and all data gathered were automatically in the public domain, not property of a private organisation to be used for profit. Unleashing the...
Show full commentDigital infrastucture could be a powerful way to improve peoples' lives in London, as long as any and all data gathered were automatically in the public domain, not property of a private organisation to be used for profit. Unleashing the power of the creative commons on comprehensive urban data could yield massive economic and broader social benefits, with minimal public expenditure; the alternative is using public money to place sensors which private companies will exploit to the benefit of their shareholders. The same arguments apply to general privacy and the state. For further reading and examples please see https://boingboing.net/2018/10/04/data-colonialism.html
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Community Member 6 years agoMost of these tech companies harvest vast quantities of data but are totally incompetent at using it for anything worthwhile. Take tailored advertising. My computer watches me browse Ebay and then flashes advertising beside my emails, not...
Show full commentMost of these tech companies harvest vast quantities of data but are totally incompetent at using it for anything worthwhile. Take tailored advertising. My computer watches me browse Ebay and then flashes advertising beside my emails, not for anything I want to buy but invariably for what I've already seen, already bought and don't care about any more. If I buy a value brand at a supermarket, I get an email advertising a far more expensive version of exactly the same product! Pointless or what?
Show less of commentMikeyBB
Community Member 6 years agoSmart traffic lights could improve quality of life for motorist and other road users.
1) Traffic lights could turn off when traffic falls below a pre-determined threshold, junction becomes 'give way' when lights are off.
2) Traffic...
Show full commentSmart traffic lights could improve quality of life for motorist and other road users.
1) Traffic lights could turn off when traffic falls below a pre-determined threshold, junction becomes 'give way' when lights are off.
2) Traffic lights could become 'smart' - using A.I to learn traffic patterns and control lights to dynamically keep queues to the minimum.
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Community Member 6 years agoGreat news for the pedestrian (not). Good idea until there's a crash.
Show full commentGreat news for the pedestrian (not). Good idea until there's a crash.
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Community Member 6 years agoThis would be huge if it could be implemented. Traffic optimisation is an area where London could make huge gains in emissions for a very low cost, not to mention reducing traffic and improving the experience for road users.
I would also...
Show full commentThis would be huge if it could be implemented. Traffic optimisation is an area where London could make huge gains in emissions for a very low cost, not to mention reducing traffic and improving the experience for road users.
I would also add sensors to check for pedestrians at crossings to avoid red lights if not needed.
Show less of commentJoe Crennan
Community Member 6 years agoMore but NO surveillance - especially anything the police or government has access to.
Not to be used for crime solving except to lessen animal cruelty.
More but NO surveillance - especially anything the police or government has access to.
Not to be used for crime solving except to lessen animal cruelty.
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Community Member 6 years agoLet's spend our money on bobbies on the beat.
Show full commentLet's spend our money on bobbies on the beat.
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