Online public services

Do you go online to pay bills or council tax, register to vote, make and resolve a complaint or access other services?

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Many public and government services are now available online, sometimes only online. How do you feel about this?

What types of public services do you use the internet for? For example, do you go online to pay bills or council tax, register to vote, make and resolve a complaint or access other services?

The discussion ran from 11 October 2018 - 11 January 2019

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There should be equal emphasis between 'online' and 'offline'.  How about somebody who has no internet?  Has the "drive to digital" accounted for people who cannot afford 'the internet'?

In fact, there seems to be an assumption (is it...

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There should be equal emphasis between 'online' and 'offline'.  How about somebody who has no internet?  Has the "drive to digital" accounted for people who cannot afford 'the internet'?

In fact, there seems to be an assumption (is it modern 'hipsters'?) that everyone has internet.  This is something that needs to be challenged, and services must be in place for anybody not able to access the web.

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I'm concerned that people who may not use the internet regularly (no computer access at home/untrained in computer use/etc) are being railroaded into using online-only services.

For example, the resident's parking scheme is now online only...

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I'm concerned that people who may not use the internet regularly (no computer access at home/untrained in computer use/etc) are being railroaded into using online-only services.

For example, the resident's parking scheme is now online only in Hounslow. My father does not use the internet (or have an internet-capable device!) so I have to get his permit for him. 

I know I have a number of elderly residents in my local area - are they all savvy enough to get their new permits online? I very much doubt it. 

No consulation was undertaken for this change and no notice given. It concerns me that people may not be able to access vital residential services - will the council offer assistance for those needing to get online?

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I do as much as possible online as it makes it so much easier to do life admin during the working day - many services and phonelines are closed outside of traditional working hours, and it isn't possible for me to call during the working...

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I do as much as possible online as it makes it so much easier to do life admin during the working day - many services and phonelines are closed outside of traditional working hours, and it isn't possible for me to call during the working day (I also work too far away to drop into a service).

It's frustrating when services aren't available online - I would much rather book GP appointments online but my current practice rarely makes any appointments available to book (meaning a lengthy phone queue, or a walk-in, both of which are difficult to manage when working full time).

Online chats are also preferable to phone calls - it is often easier to lay out information more clearly when written, and it can be of benefit for people who have phone anxiety or who may find speaking English more difficult than writing it. 

I'm happy for face-to-face services to continue to exist, but I suspect that younger generations have a preference for being able to access services remotely. 

 

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Thanks everyone for sharing your experience using online services. 

Many prefer to do some things in person or over the phone, rather than online. For example, while some GP services are increasingly available online, many will continue to be delivered in person.  Which services do you prefer to do offline, and why? What stops you wanting to do more online?

How can government make services so good that you want to use them?

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I applied for the mobility seaside homes as I will be 70 in November I live alone in a three bed council flat I appied to downside to give my flat to a family who may be in desperate to have a family home but I need lewisham homes housing...

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I applied for the mobility seaside homes as I will be 70 in November I live alone in a three bed council flat I appied to downside to give my flat to a family who may be in desperate to have a family home but I need lewisham homes housing officer to contact the mobility team so I can apply but for some reason the housing officer cant be asked to do the job I help to pay for , i also have a carbon monoxide alarm which should have been replaced in november 2017 we are now near to november 2018 the alarm is faulty and the alarm is so loud the gas appliencec have been checked and it was afault on the wired alarm the reset button does not work as I live in a block of flat the alarm is very very loud so I have had to switch it off at the mains four differnt days I applied and orderd the repair and stayed in all day but no one came and no one from repairs will reply to my emails .When the alarm is switched off by the mains it cuts off all the lighting and of course can not detect any carbon this is a danger to me and every one else this is the treatment from lewisham homes and lewisham council 

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In my experience Westminster Council have a good internet site and a good reply service via mail.  Answers arrive regularly in a time gap between one - two hours to24 hours.

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One unwanted side effect of digital by default is that notification of important public events, local ones for eg, is not done in time for the people with the internet access and the printer to get notices made and put up everywhere for...

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One unwanted side effect of digital by default is that notification of important public events, local ones for eg, is not done in time for the people with the internet access and the printer to get notices made and put up everywhere for all those who have no internet access.  People where I live are cut off from contact with their local police Safer Neighbourhood Teams because of this.  

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And of course, free wifi in everyone's homes would be even better.  It should be provided in all social housing, to ensure that the less advantaged are not excluded from an increasingly all-online society.  Give them free cheap basic...

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And of course, free wifi in everyone's homes would be even better.  It should be provided in all social housing, to ensure that the less advantaged are not excluded from an increasingly all-online society.  Give them free cheap basic computers as well.

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#Talk London - on using public free wifi connections. Personally I don't often do this, but many people might need to. Loads of people work in cafes instead of at work - it can be hard to get somewhere to sit in some cafes during the day...

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#Talk London - on using public free wifi connections. Personally I don't often do this, but many people might need to. Loads of people work in cafes instead of at work - it can be hard to get somewhere to sit in some cafes during the day as they are packed with people and their laptops, all working.  Members of my family who are freelancers work in cafes sometimes - it is quieter in cafes than it is at home due to adjacent long-term building sites. The noise at home has been unbearable for two years, terrible machines cutting steel and concrete all day, headaches for everyone by 12 noon.  You bet people in our locality are working where there is free wifi and decent coffee or teas.  Don't trust the cloud though, and you have to be extra careful with your online security.  Free wifi in public squares and gardens would be great, and in parks.  

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Neighbours of mine found that if they write to our local council, it is unlikely that there will be any response at all. Seems there is no system for replying to correspondence that comprises written or typed words on paper, delivered by...

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Neighbours of mine found that if they write to our local council, it is unlikely that there will be any response at all. Seems there is no system for replying to correspondence that comprises written or typed words on paper, delivered by the Royal Mail or similar over- land services.

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I have reported issues like fly tipping to the council through their 'report it app' and although they replied to say the issue was closed nothing was done about it. So t puts me off bothering. It was probably just an automated message.

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Make sure there is absolutely free internet access all over London, eg in those new phone booths, then online services access will no longer be for the privileged only.  Else is discriminatory to make services digital by default.

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Make sure there is absolutely free internet access all over London, eg in those new phone booths, then online services access will no longer be for the privileged only.  Else is discriminatory to make services digital by default.

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Hi Livehere. Thanks for sharing. 

How do you feel about public free wifi connections? Do you use wifi in cafes, shops or citywide free connections like The Cloud? How do you feel about them? What encourages or prevents you from using them?

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It's great that those with the skills and access can use government services online. But so very many people are excluded when local authorities go 'digital by default'.  People who cannot use the internet are no longer informed about...

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It's great that those with the skills and access can use government services online. But so very many people are excluded when local authorities go 'digital by default'.  People who cannot use the internet are no longer informed about important issues, or cannot cannot easily get in touch with their local authority.  With my local council, residents ringing up about something are sometimes told they have to fill in an online form, but they have no way of accessing the online form.  The council says it has simplified reporting of problems, such as potholes in the road, antisocial behaviour, dumpled cars, a whole range of problems in fact, with it's vamped-up online reporting system. But in fact it has made it harder - now residents have to sign up and log in, the system is sometimes not working at all, and often the problem does not conform to anything listed with radio buttons on the website. It is harder to report problems to the council now. 

The same goes for the Metropolitan police, that has fewer and fewer officers, fewer and fewer police stations that are open to the public, and the worst online system ever.  Local police have no local SNTeam phone or email, and even if an email address is given, they never answer emails, and never answer online form queries or phone messages.  Police are much harder to contact over local issues than ever before. 

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Thanks everyone for joining in this discussion.  

Are there any public services you would like to use online, but currently can't. Can you think of any examples of online services that you used that were particularly good, or bad?

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The Metropolitan police local teams. You have to hunt through the local team pages to find their rare, last-minute,  notifications of when they are holding 'drop-in' sessions in local coffee bars. This is the ONLY way they notify local...

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The Metropolitan police local teams. You have to hunt through the local team pages to find their rare, last-minute,  notifications of when they are holding 'drop-in' sessions in local coffee bars. This is the ONLY way they notify local communities of how and when to meet them. No more notices on the noticeboards of local housing estates. No more notices in local papers. The online forms for reporting non-emergency problems are a nightmare.  Endless choices only to end up with an instruction to telephone 101.  Telephone 101 and leave a message for your local police -  and it is pot luck as to whether you ever hear anything from them about it, ever. If you use the form to report a problem and are not referred to 101 - it is like throwing a wish-list into a black hole. You never ever hear anything of it.

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Ealing Council have a 'report it 24/7' app where you can upload a photo which is good in theory but sometimes it doesn't work and when it does they don't do anything 

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I use the internet for everything banking/bills finding workman ect. I fid it's very useful. Recently I had to report my bank card was stolen and I spoke to someone via online chat at the banks website they were very helpful and saved me...

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I use the internet for everything banking/bills finding workman ect. I fid it's very useful. Recently I had to report my bank card was stolen and I spoke to someone via online chat at the banks website they were very helpful and saved me going to the bank and queing to see someone.However I don't know anyone else over 65 that uses the internet at all. Maybe classs for over 65's could be more widely advertised or offered? As soon they will find it very difficult to deal with things.

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It is not just the classes that will make the difference.  It is the cost. Thousands of people cannot afford the cost of going online. And local libraries are becoming more and more rare, so affordable local access is not available.

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It is not just the classes that will make the difference.  It is the cost. Thousands of people cannot afford the cost of going online. And local libraries are becoming more and more rare, so affordable local access is not available.

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Old-fashioned communication is having something of a revival, with charity envelopes stuffed with old-fashioned notecards, bookmarks and paper calendars, soliciting donations by cheque.  Just think, there used to be a plan to end the use of...

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Old-fashioned communication is having something of a revival, with charity envelopes stuffed with old-fashioned notecards, bookmarks and paper calendars, soliciting donations by cheque.  Just think, there used to be a plan to end the use of cheques by now!  It was also thought that railways, post offices and the trusty postman/woman would be obsolete. 

Once a month, my postman brings me a local paper magazine.  The Metro and the Evening Standard are still distributed in paper form.  Businesses still post takeaway menus through my letter box and hand out paper fliers in the street.  If advertisers still think it is worthwhile to invest in paper distribution, that tells us a lot.  I guess the British public are not ready to ditch the old-fashioned methods of communication just yet.

Universal Credit is a great example of technology leaping ahead of the people who rely on the service being provided.  There are endless horror stories of people losing vital benefit money due to lack of computer access and digital illiteracy.  The poor and the disadvantaged continue to rely on traditional methods of communication.  They become more and more marginalised as expensive, complicated modern technology marches on without them.

I have observed elderly people losing out on their social activities due to lack of access to email.  Although many of us try hard to keep them up to date, age-related cognitive decline makes it very difficult for people to learn new skills.  Passwords get forgotten.  Most elderly people pick up some technical knowhow but continue to require alternative methods of communication for most of their daily activities.  Emails are printed and distributed on paper to those out of the loop.  Paper notice sheets and photocopies continue to be produced.  Posters in prominent places continue to be an effective means of advertising local clubs and events.

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And loads of people, including the elderly on low pensions, cannot afford to have internet access at home. Increasing numbers of people rely on their mobile phones for internet access, which does make it harder to use online services and...

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And loads of people, including the elderly on low pensions, cannot afford to have internet access at home. Increasing numbers of people rely on their mobile phones for internet access, which does make it harder to use online services and forms. 

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I'm reasonably happy to deal with things online, it avoids the business of writing letters and posting etc.

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Most of the time, I save a bit of money by communicating through email and live chat.  However, there are occasions when I do seek out a postal address and drop an old-fashioned letter in the postbox.  Complaints lend themselves...

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Most of the time, I save a bit of money by communicating through email and live chat.  However, there are occasions when I do seek out a postal address and drop an old-fashioned letter in the postbox.  Complaints lend themselves particularly well to a paper letter.

I receive online bills, but I find that organisations still contact me by post a few times a year.  I guess they need to check I really live at the address I provide over the internet.

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I do not like going on line for everything as many websites are confusing. The less I can use the internet the better, epecially anything to do with banking. I prefer to report  or discuss problems by telephone and help to keep a bank in my...

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I do not like going on line for everything as many websites are confusing. The less I can use the internet the better, epecially anything to do with banking. I prefer to report  or discuss problems by telephone and help to keep a bank in my High Street open and people employed there. Some banks now are an nightmare with queues out of the door because people require help to try to use machines and remember all their different passwords. More shops seem to only take cash now so does that indicate problems with use of the internet? We were in a restaurant in Windermere last year when a queue formed to pay the bills as the internet connection was not working. We were able to jump the queue with cash!

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I officially do online banking, but I find most things are not available unless I go to a lot of trouble to order and set up a bank card reader at my home.  All I can do on the computer is view and save my bank statement, cancel a direct...

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I officially do online banking, but I find most things are not available unless I go to a lot of trouble to order and set up a bank card reader at my home.  All I can do on the computer is view and save my bank statement, cancel a direct debit and email/live chat with the bank.  If I want to pay someone, I have to go to the bank.  If I want to deposit a cheque, I have to go to the bank.  If I want to set up or change a standing order, I have to go to the bank.  You get the picture.  I visit my bank in person regularly and I also telephone them regularly, even when I am sitting in front of my computer!

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I do everything online and am awfully grateful that that's possible to do. Really useful service. Only downside is that sometimes, when you don't know how to do something online, it's difficult to find the contact of someone you could speak...

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I do everything online and am awfully grateful that that's possible to do. Really useful service. Only downside is that sometimes, when you don't know how to do something online, it's difficult to find the contact of someone you could speak to to have an answer. More than a telephone to call a chat would be great.

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I find that live chat is a very useful internet service.  I use live chat to contact utilities, etc.  It's the same as having a telephone call, but it's better because: 1) it's free; 2) you communicate in writing, so you can save a copy of...

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I find that live chat is a very useful internet service.  I use live chat to contact utilities, etc.  It's the same as having a telephone call, but it's better because: 1) it's free; 2) you communicate in writing, so you can save a copy of the chat in case you need written proof of what was said.

It would be good if local councils started offering a live chat service. 

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I live in Harrow and the council expect everyone to use the internet rather than telephone them, which in theory would be a good thing unfortunately its not. Whilst I have registered to vote using their online system which was straight...

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I live in Harrow and the council expect everyone to use the internet rather than telephone them, which in theory would be a good thing unfortunately its not. Whilst I have registered to vote using their online system which was straight forward, I have found that they don't respond to emails about anything else.
 

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My local council aren't very good at responding to letters either.  I think some councils replace office workers with robots.

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Ealing are useless as well they have an app you can report anything 24/7 but when you do they ignore it.

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