Disability employment gap

What do you think are the challenges disabled people face when looking for work? What support do you think they need?

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The London Assembly Economy Committee is currently looking at the disability employment gap and wants to know more about how this affects Londoners at work or trying to find work.

The discussion ran from 04 January 2019 - 04 April 2019

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I'm running a research initiative, hoping to launch our Pilot study in Kingston upon Thames. We can employ 300 disabled people into full-time real living wage employment. We have the employees ready, and a keen experienced team. The trouble...

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I'm running a research initiative, hoping to launch our Pilot study in Kingston upon Thames. We can employ 300 disabled people into full-time real living wage employment. We have the employees ready, and a keen experienced team. The trouble is that the local DWP(JCP)  no longer do the New Deal for disability employment, and funding is discretionary. Our initiative has been looked at and approved by council officers and disability officers in other offices with approval. It is a shame that the town I have been an independent advocate in for the last 20 years does not want to save the £3 million in unneeded income-related benefits.  nor the extra money that would go into local businesses from the wages my employees would put into the local economy. After our pilot study, we are ready to go to every town across London. Building communities, building Disability confidence and building apprenticeships.. 

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I think that the punitive nature of the reformed benefit system disempowers people with depression and similar mental health conditions from taking on new challenges.  Likewise, I think the fact the reformed benefit system induces financial...

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I think that the punitive nature of the reformed benefit system disempowers people with depression and similar mental health conditions from taking on new challenges.  Likewise, I think the fact the reformed benefit system induces financial precariousness makes people feel disinclined to take on new challenges, such as education or a part-time job.  If you are confident you can return to benefits should you need them, you feel more confident to leave your existing benefit to take on what may be only a short-term work placement.  On the other hand, if your entire life is taken up with endless battles to retain your existing benefits, you have no mental stamina for new things and you become increasingly risk-adverse.

Cuts to Local Housing Allowance; tougher - and less accurate - assessments for disability benefits; sanctioning of what used to be Housing Benefit payments under Universal Credit; greater use of conditionality and sanctions in the benefit system as a whole...these are just some of the changes that put sick and disabled people at much greater financial risk.  

Many people mistakenly believe that fear of sleeping in a doorway is enough to magically cure the sick and disabled and miraculously turn them into fully-capable candidates for the job market.  However, the evidence shows the opposite is true.  When physically disabled people lose their benefits as a result of an assessment by a private contractor, they often have no mental health problems at all.  By the time they have been fighting DWP for a year, living on £0 whilst trying to keep the wolf from the door, the vast majority of these people will have developed a new case of anxiety and/or depression, for which they will be taking medication.

Before you dismiss my suggestion as being outside of the Mayor's control, don't forget he is no stranger to political lobbying/campaigning/making speeches - think Brexit!

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Thanks everyone for joining in this discussion. 

Do you know of any helpful disability employment schemes? Or, what kind of support would be useful for you?

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Disabled people are still treated like second class citizens by some of our citizens, imtimmidated and bullied by some of the so called leaders and some choose to ignore us. We need work trials please, in the private sector and the public...

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Disabled people are still treated like second class citizens by some of our citizens, imtimmidated and bullied by some of the so called leaders and some choose to ignore us. We need work trials please, in the private sector and the public sector. Employers should be approached about employing more disable people and their strenghts should be sold to employers. In this country, we have a long way to go and AI may benefit disabled people as we could travel to work in AI cars and some AI programs can help those with speech difficulties to communicate, using bluetooth communication devices and nano communication technology.

Technology will help disabled people defeat the aristricratic discrimnators that have existed since time began. They tend to look like the old banking character in the vintage Mary Poppins movie. These people want people who look like them and sound like them, and are petrified of change and diversity. The Mayor needs to promote opportunties in London for the disabled workforce and open up opportunities for them.

All London Underground stations  and overground stations should have disable access via technological lifts by 2030.

Come on Mr Mayor promote more work opportunities for the disabled by making them more independent. AI technology bring it on.

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Improved access to public transport needs to be made a matter of priority for people with a disability.  Step free access to all London Underground and tube stations should be made a priority to enable those who could travel to work on...

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Improved access to public transport needs to be made a matter of priority for people with a disability.  Step free access to all London Underground and tube stations should be made a priority to enable those who could travel to work on public transport a preferable option.  Outer London boroughs on the underground network are overlooked and in the 21st Century this needs to be addressed as a matter of urgency.

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Many years ago I worked in a company named Handley Page Ltd., Airframe Constructors, of about 4,500 employees. It had its main works in Crickelwood with an aditional branch near St Albans (and at one time in Rerading too). This company had...

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Many years ago I worked in a company named Handley Page Ltd., Airframe Constructors, of about 4,500 employees. It had its main works in Crickelwood with an aditional branch near St Albans (and at one time in Rerading too). This company had a policy of employing disabled persons along with regular workers.

The attitude within the company to the disabled people was friendly and everyone (except for a few malcontents) tried to encourage the disabled ones to do their easier kinds of jobs. This way our company was sucessful and efficient, due to the inspired management lead by its aircraft pioneer, Sir Fredric Handley Page.

A work study book that I was supposed to read at that time, in the 1950's was titled "The Makings of a Moron", which showed how workers in indudtry tend to became moronic due to the kinds of work they were doing. The purpose of this book was not to criticise management, but rather to show that many kinds of work in industry can be done by moronic people and that the employment of disabled persons is not necessarily a disadvantage. indeed as I mentioned above it has certain benefits too in the general attitude and feelings that many workers took to what seemed to be kindly motivated managers.

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My wife was working whilst receiving DLA - which see is perfectly entitled to do and as a result a manager with whom she was in dispute malicioudsly reported her to the DWP who kept her under secret surveillance for a year & prosecuted her...

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My wife was working whilst receiving DLA - which see is perfectly entitled to do and as a result a manager with whom she was in dispute malicioudsly reported her to the DWP who kept her under secret surveillance for a year & prosecuted her. She was found completely innocent but the stress nearly killed both of us.

The numbers of people receiving DLA/PIP who are working is around 8% compared with disabled people's employment of 54%. Not surprising why, is it?

Bitter - you don't know the half of it.

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My son has a learning disability and ensuring he had a job when he left college was a real worry.  We were very fortunate in that a really proactive worker at the Community Access Project in Islington supported him to find a local job where...

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My son has a learning disability and ensuring he had a job when he left college was a real worry.  We were very fortunate in that a really proactive worker at the Community Access Project in Islington supported him to find a local job where he has been for 2 years.  But it was often by chance that I found out about services out there who could help. There is a lot of talk about supporting disabled people into work but it requires joining up of services eg education, employers, local authority, to make sure the disabled person is adequately supported to access work opportunities.  Completing application forms, getting to and attending interviews are all potential hurdles to prevent someone applying for jobs and that's before employers are even on board with the kind of support and adaptations disabled employees may need. The statistics show that if you are disabled it will be much harder to find employment, especially if you have a learing disability.  I am not sure how this can be improved with significant cuts to services in recent years?  

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Why bother ? Nothing ever changes.I have been disabled for over 30 years.I now have chronic disabilities and am virtually housebound because I cannot get out.I have 3 Underground stations near me.2 have steps going up to the platforms and...

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Why bother ? Nothing ever changes.I have been disabled for over 30 years.I now have chronic disabilities and am virtually housebound because I cannot get out.I have 3 Underground stations near me.2 have steps going up to the platforms and one going down.I can't use any of them

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Need to enforce laws about disability discrimination. It is worse not better for disabled people in 2019. Public transport is still an issue on buses which are overcrowded and do not pull up to the kerb for easy access and then forget to...

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Need to enforce laws about disability discrimination. It is worse not better for disabled people in 2019. Public transport is still an issue on buses which are overcrowded and do not pull up to the kerb for easy access and then forget to stop to let people off. My son, who is disabled is persevering through a civil service apprenticeship despite constant horrendous bullying from older staff and so called trainers who see all disability as a problem to be gotten rid of. I have a young son who has no school place due to been bullied out of his school by teachers and students due to his autism. We battle on with absolutely no help in site. What help is there?

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I have senior professional experience and practice in delivering health and social care services for people with complex needs, with lived experience of disabilities. In my experience, especially in London, occupational health does not...

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I have senior professional experience and practice in delivering health and social care services for people with complex needs, with lived experience of disabilities. In my experience, especially in London, occupational health does not receive enough attention, systems are not kept up to date nor revised when circumstances change. Many employers fail to engage their workforce meaningfully in their business process. Recruitment practice quaility varies enormously. Often, roles are advertised  requiring candidates to own and drive vehicles, for example, which discriminates against people with disabilities who might use other means to travel for work. Recruitment agencies often insist on using telephone conversations to assess suitability, which may exclude people with various disabilities affecting speech or hearing. Travel policies for employees may be entirely unsuited to needs of disabled people. Interview practice varies enomously. Work specifications often fail to reflect actual requirements. In many interviews, the recruiter has no objective method to evaluate candidates and fails to provide meaningful or prompt feedback, casting doubt on the evaluation. Candidates are required to demonstrate values embracing equalities and diversity policy, but employers' recruitment procedures fail to embody that policy in practice: shoddy design of forms; glitchy online application processes; illegible text in bad fonts, small white writing on light backgrounds, tests that do not reflect the skills and abilities required, out of date job descriptions; wordy, repetitive requirements exceeding the word limits for responses, which must be point for point. Poor practice is bad for everyone, but presses harder on minorities including people with disabilities. Employers who get this right are often more successful, enjoy a better reputation and can truly be regarded as a part of our communities; those who don't are leeches.

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The most obvious is discrimination, most employers would lnot ook at an application from a disabled applicant.

As a disabled person I sent out 350 application & got no interviews, I sent out 10 not mentioned my disablity & got 1 interview...

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The most obvious is discrimination, most employers would lnot ook at an application from a disabled applicant.

As a disabled person I sent out 350 application & got no interviews, I sent out 10 not mentioned my disablity & got 1 interview, the disabled need some help, not in just getting jobs, but getting too the workplace

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interesting question.

i think it is left to the values of the appointing officer. disabled people are disadvantaged because iyt is still based on the type of employment and the appointing officer.

employment is very much dependent on...

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interesting question.

i think it is left to the values of the appointing officer. disabled people are disadvantaged because iyt is still based on the type of employment and the appointing officer.

employment is very much dependent on previous work experience and qualification.

that in it self excludes persons with disbilities from employment because due to disability it will take longer to qualify and maybe even when qualified has not had thye opportunity to have work ecxperience.

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Why is there a 0930 cutoff for Freedom Pass holders? Do disabled people only work after 1000? I understand that it may be impractical to allow wheelchairs to travel before this but other forms of disability?

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https://www.dfnprojectsearch.org is an initiative that has been extended to the UK by DFN Foundation and have a really good Transition - to-Work programme. I think this is excellent and they are getting commitment from big organisations to...

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https://www.dfnprojectsearch.org is an initiative that has been extended to the UK by DFN Foundation and have a really good Transition - to-Work programme. I think this is excellent and they are getting commitment from big organisations to employ more people with disabilities.

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I worked as an OT and manager in social services.

In one of my roles we had an OT working with the Job Centre to try to get people with disabilities into work, but the 'rules' of the initiative were that people could only stay on the...

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I worked as an OT and manager in social services.

In one of my roles we had an OT working with the Job Centre to try to get people with disabilities into work, but the 'rules' of the initiative were that people could only stay on the scheme a limited time, and success was only counted when someone gained a 'proper' job. The OT did a lot of work with people with mental health problems, who often took a long time to engage with the scheme but sometimes were able to take up a voluntary work role, which gave some people the first piece of work experience on their CV for years - it was usually very rewarding for the people to be successful in a voluntary role as a route to paid work, but as they were not in a proper job yet, it didn't count and the scheme eventually lost its funding, despite real progress being made with many long-term unemployed people with disabilities.

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Thanks everyone for sharing your views. Some of you have mentioned that the government or employers aren't doing enough to help people with disabilities. 

What do you think City Hall could do to help disabled people and organisations that help them access the labour market?

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Hi! I completely agree with NMS1, Ross01 and Sherrers.

Probably this isn't specific enough but, what City Hall needs to do is stop enabling the aggressive profiteering of business and enforce the Equality Act 2010 effectively. Companies...

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Hi! I completely agree with NMS1, Ross01 and Sherrers.

Probably this isn't specific enough but, what City Hall needs to do is stop enabling the aggressive profiteering of business and enforce the Equality Act 2010 effectively. Companies are too often allowed to behave in exclusionary ways due to the excuses of costs and profits, or find other excuses not to employ individuals who happen to have a disability. This is no way to run a society.

At the same time schemes like Fusion77 mentioned, the guaranteed disability interview, and funding to support disability in the workplace is being slashed by the government, along with social services benefits.
This all needs to stop, one way or another.

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I am a Careers Adviser and have worked in secondary, further and higher education for many years.  I also work on a voluntary basis with a 'Work Club' for clients in need of help from various backgrounds.  Some of these are referred to us...

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I am a Careers Adviser and have worked in secondary, further and higher education for many years.  I also work on a voluntary basis with a 'Work Club' for clients in need of help from various backgrounds.  Some of these are referred to us from the local Job Centre and many have disabilities both physical and mental of varying degrees.  The universal problem is that current practices in recruitment, interviewing and employment are not inclusive, it doesn't really matter if employers say they are 'disability friendly' when the reality is that a great deal of them would just make excuses for not employing someone who they are going to have to help to succeed or make special provision for whether that is providing proper physical surroundings or just being more understanding and flexible where mental health is concerned.  This is across all types of employer.  The worst situation is that online recruitment is brutal.  If you are a graduate at one of the top universities in this country you will face challenges with getting a job but usually you will be resilient and capable enough to forge a path and get where you want to be.  However if you are a person with a disability and with multiple other barriers to employment e.g. unfamiliarity with the recruitment process, housing uncertainty, transport, requirement to attend frequent health appointments, anxiety or other issues, then finding an employer that is prepared to support you holistically is very very rare.  There are so many other issues at stake and to solve them would require a combination of mutli-agency and creative minds to work out a suitable set of initiatives that would really work in practice.  As another commenter said - I would be happy to join in such a panel!

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Exactly this!

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Hi NMS1

Wev are working on an app that helps people with disabilities apply for jobs. Think numerous relevant bits of advice on an app in  a Disability Confident Interview Preparation section.

It won't reduce the many hurdles but it may...

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Hi NMS1

Wev are working on an app that helps people with disabilities apply for jobs. Think numerous relevant bits of advice on an app in  a Disability Confident Interview Preparation section.

It won't reduce the many hurdles but it may well give candidates with disability a confidence boost.

 

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The biggest obstacle is public transport. Train servicesservices overground require 24 hours notice for disabled people.

The underground is not yet disabled friendly in spite of legislation saying it must be made equally accessible for us...

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The biggest obstacle is public transport. Train servicesservices overground require 24 hours notice for disabled people.

The underground is not yet disabled friendly in spite of legislation saying it must be made equally accessible for us. It is not too difficult to install wheelchair platforms on stairs for disabled people yet this has not been done since required by law in 1968.

The cost of annual law suits in compensation annually would cover the  cost of  installing  one at each station alone.

This fact means disabled people do not come into London by choice. It costs us too much time and money to navigate public transport so I moved to Birmingham instead. 

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I have relapsing remitting MS.  I'm at the very mild end of the scale - most of the time you'd never know there was anything wrong with me.  Most of the time I woudn't either. But testing has revealed mild cognitive impairment - affecting...

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I have relapsing remitting MS.  I'm at the very mild end of the scale - most of the time you'd never know there was anything wrong with me.  Most of the time I woudn't either. But testing has revealed mild cognitive impairment - affecting my "executive skills". As someone with three degrees and used to working at a high level this is difficult. My public sector job is demanding and stressful and stress makes MS symptoms worse! My performance is suffering and I worry about being performance managed out of my job, Equalities Act be d**ned. The stress and competing demands on my attention are harder to deal with than before my illness and I find myself panicking or getting emotional.

What I need is more time to complete some tasks and plan my work, fewer interruptions, less stress. More routine and regular hours would help - at the moment I have to attend evening meetings which can throw my whole week out of whack if I don't get to bed on time. And I need understanding - with an invisible disability I feel people only see the woman who runs marathons, not the woman who was struck down by fatigue on race day once and couldn't get out of bed. (and when people remark that perhaps I should take it easy, I need them to understand that aside from my medication, exercise is the single biggest factor keeping me healthy and at work). 

I also worry that if I sustain this level of stress at work my disease will progress leading to increased disability and reduce my chances of future meaningful employment.

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