London's night time economy
How do you use the city from 6 pm to 6 am? What do you like about London's night time economy and what can be improved?
The Mayor has launched his vision for London’s night time economy. It focuses on:
- promoting an economy which works for all ages and interests
- opportunities in all of London’s boroughs
- safety for residents, visitors and night-time workers
To work towards the vision, the Mayor has also appointed a Night Time Commission. It includes businesses, cultural organisations, local authorities and other agencies. The Commission’s job is to advise the Mayor on what needs to be done to improve London’s night time offer while protecting residents, visitors and workers.
The Commission wants to hear from Londoners before making any recommendations.
What do you think of London’s night time economy? How do you use the city at night? What are the best things about London at night? What can be improved?
Let us know below.
The discussion ran from 01 December 2017 - 01 March 2018
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Community Member 7 years agoWhy do most people posting on this topic feel that the London night time economy is only just about the entertainment, food and transport parts of society and how this potentially has an anti-social impact on society? We currently have a 9...
Show full commentWhy do most people posting on this topic feel that the London night time economy is only just about the entertainment, food and transport parts of society and how this potentially has an anti-social impact on society? We currently have a 9 to 5 society, but why not have the 24 day run on a continueous 8 hour block, so schools, offices, hospitals, enterprises run 24 hour days, London would be the most productive and economic diverse society in the world. Why do banks need to close at 5pm, why can't I visit a real cashier at midnight or visit the dentist at 3am? If I am working 9-5 normal daytime, then I want the convenience, choice and facilities to be available when I am not working. Does this not mean we can be 3 times as productive, with resources and expensive space being fully utilised 24 hours a day? London from the 1700's has been about economics, ask yourself why people flock to large metropolis all around the world - it is for work and wealth creation. Unfortunately, the socialists as well as the conservatives have forgotten this point!
Show less of commentm peters
Community Member 7 years agoHandy to have night tube criss-crossing the Capital but through the night rumbling of Central Line trains directly under my bedroom would become intolerable weekday nights when I have to get up for work. Similar issue with my friend in...
Show full commentHandy to have night tube criss-crossing the Capital but through the night rumbling of Central Line trains directly under my bedroom would become intolerable weekday nights when I have to get up for work. Similar issue with my friend in Pioneer Way where the west bound line is level with & just 5 meters from bedroom window. Why not run Central line trains more slowly during the night and add noise-absorbing materials under tracking and shielding for surface sections?
Show less of commentSome sections are so noisy for travellers [Liverpool St to Stratford and around Notting Hill] that one needs to put fingers in one's ears. TFL is not a ethical, caring and responsible body unless it recognises the impact of noisy night time services on the health of Londoners.
thehowff
Community Member 7 years agoAs someone else has said, night-time is for sleeping. Working or just staying up at night is bad for people's health, means more disturbance for those trying to sleep and more light pollution and noise. You should be discouraging the night...
Show full commentAs someone else has said, night-time is for sleeping. Working or just staying up at night is bad for people's health, means more disturbance for those trying to sleep and more light pollution and noise. You should be discouraging the night-time economy, not encouraging it. Stop believing in this nonsense that money is king.
Show less of commentrockcyclist
Community Member 7 years agoJust ask the people who live on the A4/M4 corridor in Chiswick how they feel about 24hr London - it is a never ending stream of air polluting and noise polluting traffic - you cannot open windows and you cannot have a conversation on the...
Show full commentJust ask the people who live on the A4/M4 corridor in Chiswick how they feel about 24hr London - it is a never ending stream of air polluting and noise polluting traffic - you cannot open windows and you cannot have a conversation on the street. If there is to be 24hr London there needs to be 24hr congestion charge too. Who needs a car in Central London.
Show less of commentAnd - the District Line in Gunnersbury and Turnham Green has suffered enormously from the all night transport at the weekend - Monday morning nearly always problems. Let's have 24hr cycle routes and bus routes and stop unnecessary motor traffic in London - and that means in the out parts too.
Ban taxis in the tiny streets of Soho and make them car free - just as in many parts of Europe - would be fantastic.
willmow
Community Member 7 years agoI'm sad to see London being turned into a trashy fairground. Allowing the centre of our great city to become a brash party venue is demeaning of its history and its standing in world rankings. It's frankly embarrassing to emerge from the...
Show full commentI'm sad to see London being turned into a trashy fairground. Allowing the centre of our great city to become a brash party venue is demeaning of its history and its standing in world rankings. It's frankly embarrassing to emerge from the tube at Piccadilly Circus of an evening to be confronted with a barrage of ear-shatering noise from amplified buskers, followed by yet more in Leicester Square. What's with this need for intrusive "entertainment" at every turn? As for those rickshaws, don't get me started.....
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Community Member 7 years agoI support the 24-hour London initiative. The introduction of the night tube to supplement the excellent night buses was a good step.
One problem causing restriction or closure of night time venues is as follows. A property developer...
Show full commentI support the 24-hour London initiative. The introduction of the night tube to supplement the excellent night buses was a good step.
One problem causing restriction or closure of night time venues is as follows. A property developer builds residential property close to an existing night venue. Buyers of the property complain to the licensing authority about noise from the night venue and this results in closure or restriction. This should not happen. It should be recognised that the night time venue was already established and the residents knew this when they bought.
Show less of commente9citizen
Community Member 7 years agoCheap rental accommodation is what stimulates the creative events industry. Big entertainment companies appropriate ideas of lower key experiments and branding of these bigger labels, festivals and concerts always leeches off the creativity...
Show full commentCheap rental accommodation is what stimulates the creative events industry. Big entertainment companies appropriate ideas of lower key experiments and branding of these bigger labels, festivals and concerts always leeches off the creativity of young people who are less wealthy and must rent to live in london. Cheap rental accommodation also obviously frees up money for these people to go to night time events.
Show less of commentLady Iveta
Community Member 7 years agoI like night life not only in summer, but in winter as well, but Mayor of London did not like it. I did not have answers on my query about rudeness of driver of 232 on Christmas Eve, but my question about reason of stand still in London on...
Show full commentI like night life not only in summer, but in winter as well, but Mayor of London did not like it. I did not have answers on my query about rudeness of driver of 232 on Christmas Eve, but my question about reason of stand still in London on 25 and 26 December I did have yet. Mayor should have action , but he laying down and don't do his job. No answers at all. Last Year I was forced to walk more than 8 miles at night without any security at all.
Show less of commentBut Mayor did not like give any answers neither apologies money.
Lady Iveta
Community Member 7 years agoFor me night life ids actual not only in summer, but even more important that is in winter when so many activities were held at night, but Mayor of London even did not replied on my query about rudeness of driver of 232 on Christmas Eves...
Show full commentFor me night life ids actual not only in summer, but even more important that is in winter when so many activities were held at night, but Mayor of London even did not replied on my query about rudeness of driver of 232 on Christmas Eves night ride and stand still in London on 25 and 26 December. That not OK. Mayor should take action but he laying on the back and did not taking any actions.
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Community Member 7 years agoA twenty four hour city is a mental health disaster in the making.
People need rest,
I suggest deliberate monitoring of mental health along the 24hr rail corridors.
Show full commentBefore and after with a control monitor else where.
The prediction is a...
A twenty four hour city is a mental health disaster in the making.
People need rest,
I suggest deliberate monitoring of mental health along the 24hr rail corridors.
Before and after with a control monitor else where.
The prediction is a 24hr city is good, but this is not proven only an opinion.
London also needs a rest day together once a week, where unnecessary business closes or is ecomically discouraged.
Hard for one to rest when everyone else is not resting.
7 day weeks were tried in Russia and America and productivity drops after four continuous weeks.
There is nothing green about running trains all night, power is used more at night for lighting, heating and powering the traction systems..
The entertainment night economy, as pointed out else where tends to generate, late night trouble spots.
Although we have the ability to create a 24hr city, it may be better to let the private sector (mini cabs) and buses provide the support, this would generate jobs, provide a public service for those that need it.
The driving of the vision of a 24hr city by the public sector, could skew the night time activities into a drain on the economy on the city in other areas
Mental health, jobs in night entertainment which are centralised based on cheap transport, rubbish litter and policing, hospital admissions.
I suggest a robust research programme, on not only the success of the night lines but the cost in the other areas.
Show less of commentTONY1938
Community Member 7 years agoBring back the old licensing laws with closure of pubs and clubs at 2300 each evening.
Show full commentIt used to be a pleasure to travel on the late trains: now they are wagons of drunkenness,
screeching passengers, smelly takeaway foods, litter, and bad...
Bring back the old licensing laws with closure of pubs and clubs at 2300 each evening.
It used to be a pleasure to travel on the late trains: now they are wagons of drunkenness,
screeching passengers, smelly takeaway foods, litter, and bad language.
I cringe and fear for my safety should I comment upon the behaviour of passengers.
I hunker down in the corner. No longer possible to read or quietly rest.
Where are the transport police?
Passengers should be breath tested if appropriate.
No discount for late night travel except for certificated workers.
A late night bus route stops near my home and at 3am I hear the inebriated shouting as they pass in groups along my street.
Bring back licensing hours of 11pm.
Enforce the law on permitting drunkenness on licensed premises.
Why should I pay for the street cleaning?
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Official Representative 7 years agoThanks everyone for sharing you views and suggestions.
Workers keep London running 24 hours a day. They have a right to a safe workplace and a good quality of life.
Are you a worker in the night time economy (between 6pm and 6am)? What are the main challenges for you? What aspects of working in London at night work for you? How does this differ compared to when you're out at night in your free time?
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Anonymous - account deleted
Community Member 7 years agoUse the hygiene legacy of the Victorians and reopened the network of public toilets.
Show full commentInvest in public toilets rather than in prosecuting people forced to relieve themselves on the streets.
Encourage night time culture and art by creating...
Use the hygiene legacy of the Victorians and reopened the network of public toilets.
Show less of commentInvest in public toilets rather than in prosecuting people forced to relieve themselves on the streets.
Encourage night time culture and art by creating and preserving areas where it can afford to evolve, grow and thrive.
Central London is culturally frozen and sterile as "cool Britannia" has been priced out.
Hello it thrive in the suburbs: cap rents, facilitate licensing and support evolving cultures
Anonymous - account deleted
Community Member 7 years agoAll food outlets should he health tested at least monthly, especially burger joints, kebab houses and pizza places......
hmaa
Community Member 7 years agoEnsure there is security employed on public transport plus more more frequent night bus and train services to airports please.
Cecilea
Community Member 7 years agoI reside on a main road in SE17 and as buses run all night (which I am pleased about), I think they need to be less noisy.
Show full commentAlso it should be compulsory for shops to switch their lights off during the night.
In short, to improve London's...
I reside on a main road in SE17 and as buses run all night (which I am pleased about), I think they need to be less noisy.
Show less of commentAlso it should be compulsory for shops to switch their lights off during the night.
In short, to improve London's night time, please tackle noise, light and air pollution.
Anonymous - account deleted
Community Member 7 years agoThis subject really is about central London .
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Community Member 7 years agoThere is little or no consideration on the effects of all night transport systems on residents. Living on a bus route means that whilst we formerly had some respite from noise pollution at night so as to be able to sleep, this is no longer...
Show full commentThere is little or no consideration on the effects of all night transport systems on residents. Living on a bus route means that whilst we formerly had some respite from noise pollution at night so as to be able to sleep, this is no longer the case. Buses speed and pay no heed to speed restrictions. Tfl have increased frequencies on bus routes with no consultation with residents (even when they do consult, the decisions are already made and consultations are purely to pay lip service, and resident's opinions very rarely result in any changes to Tfl's pre-determined policies). Night buses have a massive impact on residents lives along the route - noise and air pollution issues are well documented. On weekdays, many routes are poorly used and ghost buses plough up and down - bus operators benefit from the contracts - so tax payers money going down the drain to private companies.
Show less of commentAlso, why is there such a poor service on the London Overground during the evening and early morning? This service should be improved so that Londoners can use it to travel to and from work at these times.
Microbe
Community Member 7 years agoMy little Peckham road a while back got the whole street involved with local councillors in dissuading bus company from using our road as a terminus turnaround route because of noise, and window-rattling vibration to our small street...
Show full commentMy little Peckham road a while back got the whole street involved with local councillors in dissuading bus company from using our road as a terminus turnaround route because of noise, and window-rattling vibration to our small street Victorian properties built on inadequate foundations.
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Community Member 7 years agoNight-life needs to be diverse - not just nightclubs with almost identical music and stupid and exclusive dress codes. So, we need:
1. More community pubs where everyone is welcome.
Show full comment2. Cafes and art galleries open late
3. More live...
Night-life needs to be diverse - not just nightclubs with almost identical music and stupid and exclusive dress codes. So, we need:
1. More community pubs where everyone is welcome.
Show less of comment2. Cafes and art galleries open late
3. More live music venues, catering for all kinds of music, especially rock, jazz and folk which is lacking in my area.
4. A strict control on the proliferation of chicken shops, and a ban on any new outlets. These shops are a blight on the community and generate anti-social behaviour, litter, and degrade the area they are in.
Anonymous - account deleted
Community Member 7 years ago1. Though the idea of having a 24-hour underground is a good one in principle, tube trains running above ground at normal speed are noisy for residents living reasonably close to the lines. Is there any reason why they should not run more...
Show full comment1. Though the idea of having a 24-hour underground is a good one in principle, tube trains running above ground at normal speed are noisy for residents living reasonably close to the lines. Is there any reason why they should not run more slowly - say at half speed - at night, when most people wish to sleep? Whilst this may not be quite so convenient for those who are travelling, it is important that Londoners are able to get a reasonable night's sleep in their homes.
2. The communal areas (e.g. hallways and stairwells) of blocks of flats seem always to have the lights on throughout the night. This is a tremendous waste of electricity and causes light pollution in our city, which can seriously reduce the quality of sleep enjoyed by Londoners. Measures should be considered to encourage the adoption of timed or night-time dimmed lighting systems in blocks of flats (like on the continent).
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