Cleaning up London’s toxic air
Stage: Policy publishedFrom the Clean Air Consultation on Talk London in 2016 to the expansion of the Ultra Low Emission Zone in October 2021, find out what City Hall is doing to clean up London’s toxic air.
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The Ultra-Low Emission Zone (ULEZ) is an area within which all cars, motorcycles, vans, buses, coaches and heavy good vehicles will need to meet exhaust emission standards or pay a daily charge to travel. Some vehicles are exempt from the charge. The ULEZ is due to come into effect in September 2020, and will operate 24 hours a day, 7 days a week within the current Congestion Charging Zone (the yellow area on the map).
The Mayor is currently considering a range of measures relating to the ULEZ, such as extending its boundaries further out from the centre of London, in order to reduce pollution further and make a bigger improvement in air quality in London. These proposals are still to be refined, so we want to know your views on how the ULEZ might operate.
What do you think? Should the ULEZ focus only on the central London congestion charging zone, or be expanded further out, for example to the North/South Circular roads (red area of the map), or current London-wide Low Emission Zone for heavy vehicles (green area of the map)?
The discussion ran from 04 July 2016 - 04 October 2016
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Community Member 7 years agoAll cars, vans and motorbikes pre 2005 !! So what about the classic cars,bikes and the likes of jamie olivers 1950,s VW Camper van ?? There are thousands in london thousands....All have to pay £12.50 a day ? pathetic ! If my daughter a war...
Show full commentAll cars, vans and motorbikes pre 2005 !! So what about the classic cars,bikes and the likes of jamie olivers 1950,s VW Camper van ?? There are thousands in london thousands....All have to pay £12.50 a day ? pathetic ! If my daughter a war vet comes to visit me from oxfordshire for the day brings her 58k BMW 2005 she will have to pay £12.50 to drive through london to me in lewisham, stays the night then has to pay another £12.50 on her way through to go home thats £25 before she pays fuel....Absolutely not thought out at all and simply not fair on us motorists at all.....Its Disgusting !!
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Community Member 7 years agoNO NO NO !! Am I supposed to tell my daughter that I have to sell her grandads classic car he left for her because it wont meet euro 4 regs or euro 6 regs ? Ilive in lewisham and TFL are planning to include the ULEZ to include the south...
Show full commentNO NO NO !! Am I supposed to tell my daughter that I have to sell her grandads classic car he left for her because it wont meet euro 4 regs or euro 6 regs ? Ilive in lewisham and TFL are planning to include the ULEZ to include the south and north circular in this consultation but conveniently DO NOT MENTION THIS ON RADIO ADVERTS ! This is to con you into thinking its only for the city so you DONT VOTE ! Now you know this vote NO.. Hundreds of thousands of vehicle owners older than 2005 will have to get rid of their cars as they will be included in this and we getting out of europe that is why sadiq khan is pushing it forward before we are out because this is the regs he is using imposed by europe !! ITS NOT JUST DIESELS its every car, van truck minibus, camper van that does not meet euro 4 emmisions thats YOU if your motor is 2005 or older !!! Dont believe me? Look at the consultation which by the way is a con as the TFL HAVE ALREADY STARTED FITTING THE CAMERAS ON THE SOUTH CIRCULAR AT FOREST HILL AND WE HAVENT EVEN FINISHED IT YET TILL DEC 18TH !!WE ARE BEING CONNED INTO THIS CRAP...
Show less of commentdenistyurenkov
Community Member 7 years agoThis should definitely be extended to North and South Circular, because otherwise the positive health change will only affect tourists and small minority of residents, with the rest of Londoners continuing to breathe toxic air.
I keep my...
Show full commentThis should definitely be extended to North and South Circular, because otherwise the positive health change will only affect tourists and small minority of residents, with the rest of Londoners continuing to breathe toxic air.
I keep my fingers crossed North to South Circular will become ULEZ in 2020!
Show less of commentRosemary Mortimer
Community Member 7 years agoVehicle Idling via the London Mayor's Fund - the post here is from Hammersmith and Fulham but the opportunities are London wide.
With thanks to Shepherds Bush Blog:
Are You an Idler?
Posted: 29 Sep 2016 01:21 AM PDT
Anyone in our...
Show full commentVehicle Idling via the London Mayor's Fund - the post here is from Hammersmith and Fulham but the opportunities are London wide.
With thanks to Shepherds Bush Blog:
Are You an Idler?
Posted: 29 Sep 2016 01:21 AM PDT
Anyone in our neighbourhood being driven crazy by parked up lorries running their engines in your street - help may be at hand.
Our Council are looking for volunteers who want to be part of a new campaign to reduce air pollution - by stopping drivers from running their engines while they are parked. The campaign is called "I'm no Idler", and subtitled "Vehicle Idling Action".
The idea is to try and stop drivers from running their engines while they are stationary, and raise awareness of the dangers of air pollution.
Why is engine idling an important issue?
According to Vehicle Idling Action, "researchers at Kings College London estimate that 10,000 people die early in London each year, over 400 in Kensington & Chelsea and Hammersmith & Fulham alone , as a result of long term exposure to poor air quality".
What will volunteering involve?
As part of a team of "Clean Air Champions" you will be able to help for up to two hours in a series of "action days" in our borough.
Does it involve training?
Yes. You will be "required to attend a training session" and will "gain skills engaging with the public on an important environmental issue", whilst also "improving air quality in your community".
When is this happening?
The campaign is planning to have "monthly action days" from October to March. The first action day will be on the week commencing October 17th. Training sessions will be taking place in early October.
How do you get involved?
Show less of commentTo get involved, register your interest using this short online form.https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSf6XUM7iTmxAyLROfQbuzyIaTFPlYd…
Proud Londoner 7
Community Member 7 years agodenistyurenkov, London doesn't start and finish at the North & South Circular we have grown way past to the M25, That's where ULEZ should start.
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Community Member 7 years agoSadiq, this is a surprising measure coming form you. In it's current state this is a unilateral coercive tory measure that hits the poorer harder. Especially , but not only, for Motorcyclists, who pollute less and have a low cost vehicle...
Show full commentSadiq, this is a surprising measure coming form you. In it's current state this is a unilateral coercive tory measure that hits the poorer harder. Especially , but not only, for Motorcyclists, who pollute less and have a low cost vehicle because of financial means. (and also cause no congestion so much less pollution per hour in the city). We all agree with the objective: pollution needs to be reduced. But your approach is blanket and penalise the less well off much more than anyone who can gladly pollute with his / Her Chelsea tractor 4x4 as long as he/she pays. Much more work needs to be done to make the mesure efficient, but also FAIR. This is currently so not the case whatsoever. And Public transport will not solve ALL transport needs. They are good partial solution, but is still expensive and can't be a solution to all journeys.
Show less of commentCJWoodley
Community Member 7 years agoGuillaume I agree and this has been my main point all along but it does not seem to be mentioned in the article about the results of the consultation. In my view (and to be clear, I support measures to reduce pollution, including the idea...
Show full commentGuillaume I agree and this has been my main point all along but it does not seem to be mentioned in the article about the results of the consultation. In my view (and to be clear, I support measures to reduce pollution, including the idea of charges in principle) the proposed flat rate solution will disproportionally hit low mileage drivers of older cars and insufficiently hit (and disincentivise) higher mileage drivers of newer cars that emit more pollutants overall. It also, as you rightly say, will affect lower income households most as they are the ones who will be unable to afford to replace their older car, and pensioners and other culnerable groups who rely on a car for their independence but again may not be able to afford a new one. The rich will simply go out and spend £20k plus on a new PHEV but the rest of us (nkt just very low income households but low to middle income ones who are already stretched) simply cannot find or save that kind of money over the short timescale envisaged before this charge comes in.
To be truly fair the charge really has to be a rate per mile on ALL vehicles (including newer ones unless they are zero or very low emissions) in order to be fair and levy the charge according to the pollution emitted, and I am extremely disappointed that the article which discusses the results of the consultation does not mention this specific point, whereas it does discuss for example other criticisms based on measures such as improving traffic flow to improve pollution. Why is the issue of fairness and the principle of those who pollute (I.e. Drive) the most miles should pay the most in charge seemingly being ignored I this discussion? As you say for a Labour mayor who I assume wants to help those on lower incomes, it is a very regressive measure, in my opinion.
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Community Member 7 years agoWell said guillaume, everyone will be penalised not just car and van owners, to want to charge a motorcyclist £12.50 a day is pure daylight roberry ! Most bikes petrol tanks dont even take that much to fill up ha ha ... this is all about...
Show full commentWell said guillaume, everyone will be penalised not just car and van owners, to want to charge a motorcyclist £12.50 a day is pure daylight roberry ! Most bikes petrol tanks dont even take that much to fill up ha ha ... this is all about money pure and simple.. for TFL. You cannot just charge everyone , and i say everyone as this will affect more pre 2005 owners than there id post 2005 thats how poor some londoners are. We cannot all afford to go out and buy new cars its that simple, but Sadiq Khan knows that and does not care- he,s simply trying to make a name for himself. WELL GUESS WHAT you,re doing that but you wont be remembered for doing good things= just the opposite, you,ll be known as the mayor who made a lot of londoners go out of business and the man who made daddy skint !!
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Community Member 7 years agoThe ULEZ focus should start at the M25, Come on now let's plan for the future and stop pussie footing around.
peterd123
Community Member 7 years agoTriathlon in London today. So it brings the whole of London to a standstill in all directions. So much for anti pollution, and Ultra low emission zone. London is a parking lot today and pollution must be off the scale. Why don't they take...
Show full commentTriathlon in London today. So it brings the whole of London to a standstill in all directions. So much for anti pollution, and Ultra low emission zone. London is a parking lot today and pollution must be off the scale. Why don't they take their Triathlon to the country, not in a busy city. We are paying for the privilege of driving on the roads. They are not.
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Community Member 7 years agoCould councils be incentivised to do more by having to issue discounts to residents who live on the most polluted streets? We get thick black soot inside our flat front and back around the doors and windows. Westminster council could afford...
Show full commentCould councils be incentivised to do more by having to issue discounts to residents who live on the most polluted streets? We get thick black soot inside our flat front and back around the doors and windows. Westminster council could afford to do more.
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Community Member 7 years agoPerhaps the zone should be the red option first, and the the larger area by 2025?
Or the red option, plus any roads where the buildings are closer than a certain distance from the kerb?
TonyJB
Community Member 7 years agoDoes this apply to all taxis as well ? If not why not !!
Peterlewis80
Community Member 7 years agoIf London is so he'll bent on pollution levels then why does it direct all the traffic from south and south east directly to it to travel round it ? Travel Docer to Birmingham or Manchester , up the m2. Queue at dartford for an hour...
Show full commentIf London is so he'll bent on pollution levels then why does it direct all the traffic from south and south east directly to it to travel round it ? Travel Docer to Birmingham or Manchester , up the m2. Queue at dartford for an hour , drive round London then off , surely better road planning , reduce TRAFIC on M25 . Just look at a map and the road usage ! Add to that an extra East London river crossing to elevate Blackwall Tunnel and the standstill traffic for 2 hrs every day , do away with SPEED BUMPS. A huge contributor to emissions. And with a bit of thought and planning London emissions have plummeted already , without and persecution of the travelling public
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Official Representative 7 years agoThanks very much all for your views and ideas posted here. These will all be given to City Hall's environment team.Here's a message from Sadiq on what happens next with the clean air consultation as a whole.
peterd123
Community Member 7 years agoKeep motorcycles exempt as they produce a low amount to cars, as they are not sitting around waiting in traffic.
peterd123
Community Member 7 years agoAlso they have very small engines and only use petrol.
Peterlewis80
Community Member 7 years agoThe introduction of the ULEZ is a persecution on the Coach Industry . Buses have an exemption for a further 5 years because it is impractical to produce enough buses as well as the affordability factor, yet the coach industry , which is...
Show full commentThe introduction of the ULEZ is a persecution on the Coach Industry . Buses have an exemption for a further 5 years because it is impractical to produce enough buses as well as the affordability factor, yet the coach industry , which is much smaller and mainly independent is being made to invest upwards of £150 k per vehicle without the luxury of a subsidy. Look at London, see how many coaches are transporting tourists and children, these costs will dramatically increase and drive children away from London and drive tourists to other cities. The ULEZ in the congestion zone is something that can be accepted but extending it to the south circular road is just commercial suicide . It would involve us, londons oldest coach company, to invest close to £1.5 m to conform, and honestly that's just not a practical business model. The whole thing is a WHITE ELEPHANT driven by people who want to forward their political carrier . Make the traffic MOVE ! look at Blackwall tunnel, most mornings the traffic is close to stationary from 6.30 to 9.30 EVERY WEEKDAY ! So Mr Khan . Get off your arse and see what London needs .. AN EAST LONDON RIVER CROSSING OR 3 ! There just reduced emission levels in E & SE London dramatically !
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Community Member 7 years agoThe introduction of the ULEZ is a persecution on the Coach Industry . Buses have an exemption for a further 5 years because it is impractical to produce enough buses as well as the affordability factor, yet the coach industry , which is...
Show full commentThe introduction of the ULEZ is a persecution on the Coach Industry . Buses have an exemption for a further 5 years because it is impractical to produce enough buses as well as the affordability factor, yet the coach industry , which is much smaller and mainly independent is being made to invest upwards of £150 k per vehicle without the luxury of a subsidy. Look at London, see how many coaches are transporting tourists and children, these costs will dramatically increase and drive children away from London and drive tourists to other cities. The ULEZ in the congestion zone is something that can be accepted but extending it to the south circular road is just commercial suicide . It would involve us, londons oldest coach company, to invest close to £1.5 m to conform, and honestly that's just not a practical business model. The whole thing is a WHITE ELEPHANT driven by people who want to forward their political carrier . Make the traffic MOVE ! look at Blackwall tunnel, most mornings the traffic is close to stationary from 6.30 to 9.30 EVERY WEEKDAY ! So Mr Khan . Get off your arse and see what London needs .. AN EAST LONDON RIVER CROSSING OR 3 ! There just reduced emission levels in E & SE London dramatically !
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Community Member 7 years agowell said peter but he wont listen pal its all about the money TFL CAN EARN FROM DRIVERS- YET AGAIN
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Community Member 7 years agoI live near the proposed cruise terminal at Enderby Wharf in East Greenwich which will operate without a shore based power supply resulting in ships burning 700 litres of dirty diesel per hour virtually non stop in the summer months with no...
Show full commentI live near the proposed cruise terminal at Enderby Wharf in East Greenwich which will operate without a shore based power supply resulting in ships burning 700 litres of dirty diesel per hour virtually non stop in the summer months with no post combustion mitigation whatsoever equivalent to hundreds of dirty diesel lorries running in the already badly polluted area close to the Blackwell Tunnel
Show less of commentI can't see the logic of extending the ultra low emission zone in East London if Greenwich Council are going to introduce this massive diesel pollution. All the sacrifices made by people to change their cars to cleaner ones will be in vain.
Rosemary Mortimer
Community Member 7 years agoCould not agree more. Power lines have to be made available.
Peterlewis80
Community Member 7 years agoI can't see the point of extending the ULEZ if nothing is going to be done about Blackwall Tunnel
Talk London
Official Representative 7 years agoMany thanks for all your comments so far on this really interesting discussion. The main themes and talking points from this survey will be passed to the City Hall environment team to help develop policies further before further consultations later this year.
A few of you have mentioned different types of vehicle being affected by the introduction of the ULEZ.
Are there any vehicles/drivers that you feel should be exempt from ULEZ standards or charging? Some vehicles, such as black taxis, historical vehicles and residents of the ULEZ will receive an exemption or discount, as the scheme is currently set-up. Many such vehicles also receive a discount from the Congestion Charge.
What do you think? Should some drivers pay more than others? If so, who? Does your view depending on where the boundary is?
CJWoodley
Community Member 7 years agoTo answer your questions:
- Zero-emissions (and maybe ultra low emissions, i.e. plug-in hybrid) vehicles should always be exempt. ALL other vehicles should pay, including brand new ones that aren't zero or ultra-low emissions, varying the...
Show full commentTo answer your questions:
- Zero-emissions (and maybe ultra low emissions, i.e. plug-in hybrid) vehicles should always be exempt. ALL other vehicles should pay, including brand new ones that aren't zero or ultra-low emissions, varying the rate based on either VED band or type (e.g. petrol car, diesel car, light van, heavy lorry etc.)
- Diesels should pay more than petrol cars and lorries and other heavy vehicles should pay much more than diesels. Motor bikes should pay very low rates or potentially be exempt.
- Black cabs and other private hire vehicles should NOT be exempt unless they meet the above standards
- MOST IMPORTANTLY - charging should be on a *per-mile* basis NOT a flat rate, particularly if the boundary is expanded to the North and South circular roads. A flat rate based on vehicle age only discriminates unreasonably against those who drive an older car occasionally for very few miles in London, or solely to get out of the zone, against lower-income drivers and pensioners who cannot afford to replace an older car with one that meets the standards, and most importantly does not levy the charge proportionately to the pollution caused (it does not incentivise high mileage drivers of newer cars, which will still pollute more overall than low mileage drivers of older cars, to drive fewer miles or buy an electric or plug in hybrid car, for example, as they pay nothing to drive in the zone)
- residents and those outside the zone who cannot drive out of their homes without crossing the boundary should get a discount, as with the congestion charge, especially if the zone is expanded to the North and South circular roads as this will affect a huge number of people compared to the existing congestion charge zone
Finally if the zone is to be expanded to the North and South circular roads, it should not be done in 2020 as this is too soon to give the very large number of people affected time to consider their options. Buying a new(er) car is a major financial decision for most people and given the current economic uncertainty following the Brexit vote, may not be possible for many households if they are uncertain of their job security and income over the next few years.
Show less of commentPeterlewis80
Community Member 7 years agoYes coaches should be exempt as 1 coach replaces 20-40 cars ! And with no subsidy on offer for replacement there will not be any vehicles available for tourism in London.
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Community Member 7 years agoTotally disagree with extending the zone out to the North Circular if it means residents within that zone with modest older cars have to pay any charge at all. People within that zone with older cars will be the less well off, the very...
Show full commentTotally disagree with extending the zone out to the North Circular if it means residents within that zone with modest older cars have to pay any charge at all. People within that zone with older cars will be the less well off, the very people that put Sadiq Khan in office. Residents living within the zone should be 100% exempt. These older cars will get less as time goes on anyway so the problem will largely solve itself. No, most pollution is given by driver commuters coming in from outside this zone, it is they that should be restricted not the people that have no choice, who live there. Tax dirty large diesels yes. Tax driving commuters yes, but the residents must be 100% exempt!
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Community Member 7 years ago+1 Phil or
Its very simple really look here and share if you agree ! If TFL can do a consultation in 5 weeks they can do this !!
http://talklondon.london.gov.uk/homes-spaces/environment/discussions/ul…
General Genius
Community Member 7 years agoWithin the North and South circular makes better sense. Perhaps with some bit park and ride scheme to link the vehicle parks to the tube stations?
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Community Member 7 years agoPark n Ride with an estimated £1.1 million vehicles passing through each day come on where they gonna park? Chelmsford ha ha
No this is the answer- Its very simple really look here and share if you agree ! If TFL can do a consultation in...
Show full commentPark n Ride with an estimated £1.1 million vehicles passing through each day come on where they gonna park? Chelmsford ha ha
No this is the answer- Its very simple really look here and share if you agree ! If TFL can do a consultation in 5 weeks they can do this !!
http://talklondon.london.gov.uk/homes-spaces/environment/discussions/ul…
Show less of commenttomoscoles
Community Member 7 years agoThe expanded zone is a good idea, but the target measures are not suitable. The issue isn't the vehicle that people have, it is the way they use it.
Show full commentA brand new diesel van/car idling in traffic or crawling through London at 3 mph on a...
The expanded zone is a good idea, but the target measures are not suitable. The issue isn't the vehicle that people have, it is the way they use it.
A brand new diesel van/car idling in traffic or crawling through London at 3 mph on a daily basis is a lot more polluting than somebodies 20 year old weekend car. Furthermore, it is the small-business/less well off that will be hardest hit by this as they cannot afford to pay the surcharge or upgrade their van/car (even with a scrappage scheme).
Find ways to get people out of their vehicles - speak to local business that require deliveries, get parents walking or cycling to school, time road works or congestion causing disruption to be outside of peak hours.
Show less of commentRosemary Mortimer
Community Member 7 years agoGroup deliveries of supplies so that, instead of three or four a week, one or two would be sufficient. It just requires a degree of willingness and coordination. My Council will be doing this.
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Community Member 7 years agoTo show what an inefficient means of transport travelling by car is in densely populated cities I did some very simple calculations which show how much road is occupied by relatively few people when travelling by car:
Show full commentI am not sure but I...
To show what an inefficient means of transport travelling by car is in densely populated cities I did some very simple calculations which show how much road is occupied by relatively few people when travelling by car:
I am not sure but I would say that now its a minority of people that use cars in London and probably a lot of the traffic is generated by people from outside London.
Just by looking at a traffic jam of cars its easy to see that a mile of traffic jam is caused by relatively few people (certainly nowhere near 50% of the population). A simple calculation will bear this out, so for example a Ford Focus is just over 4.5 Metres long, assuming 3 Metres between each car in a traffic jam on a single carriageway road and assuming each car only has one person in it (by observation this is mostly true) then each 1 Kilometre of traffic will have 1000/7.5=134 people in it. So only 134 people are catered for by 1 kilometre of road. This number can easily be accommodated in two London buses. A London bus is about 11 metres long and can carry more than 80 people. Therefore a kilometre of buses can cater for 90 buses and 7272 people.
Show less of commentNow I know that this is a simplistic calculation, I am sure TfL have more sophisticated equations, but it does demonstrate how inefficient car transport in Cities is, let alone the pollution they cause.
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Community Member 7 years agoYour traffic jam was in no way helped by bus lane restrictions and the fact that many lay empty for 20 minute intervals as the private bus companies want to ensure the bus carries enough passengers to make the route viable. those people...
Show full commentYour traffic jam was in no way helped by bus lane restrictions and the fact that many lay empty for 20 minute intervals as the private bus companies want to ensure the bus carries enough passengers to make the route viable. those people alone in cars may have en-route dropped their kids to school as busses are not an option for all. the sad truth is that private and commercial vehicles are necessary for the city to function and pollution is the cost of a functioning city. the electric cars Khan dreams of still have to be manufactured (ok not in his city) and the environmental cost of replacing functioning vehicles (which will be scrapped or exported to the 3rd world) and the electricity will have to come from somewhere ,France? so the damage minimisation is indeed minimal. but you wont have to breathe the emissions from the car foundry or the power plant or the old cars shipped to Africa but you will have to pick up the cost. and globally nothing changes, wake up and smell the CO2
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Community Member 7 years agoWho mentioned electric cars, they will have just as big a footprint on the road as an oil burner. I was trying to demonstrate that carrying people round by car takes up more road space than we have. For example take a particularly nasty...
Show full commentWho mentioned electric cars, they will have just as big a footprint on the road as an oil burner. I was trying to demonstrate that carrying people round by car takes up more road space than we have. For example take a particularly nasty road like the South Circular. Even if you bulldozed all the houses along the it(making the housing crisis even worse) and turned it into a dual carriageway all the way it would still attract more traffic than it could carry.But I guess so long as you can sit in your stationary car and listen to Chris Evans you would be happy :-)
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