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I don't understand why Talk London is trying to pigeon hole cyclists into fixed "types", people don't fit into fixed categories and can be all different kinds of cyclists at different times. At a time when the Mayor of London should be developing a cycling and transport strategy which encourages active travel of all kinds, there is no need to compartmentalise and divide cyclists.
I cycle regularly in London and fit into all these categories at different times, but irrelevant of what "mode" of cycling I'm in, my needs remain the same - safe, well maintained and supported cycle infrastructure (including, but not limited to: cycle lanes, bicycle parking, raised awareness, quality roads).
Hello again naillig - and all,
I just wanted to post again to draw attention to the latest post on the City Hall Cycling blog about measures announced by the Mayor today to make it so that lorries in the capital have to have certain safety features - particularly sidebars or low skirts to prevent cyclists being dragged underneath them: www.tinyurl.com/p3gnqfc
This is of course just a start - what other vital safety features you think lorries should have?
Talk London Community Manager
A little 5min film that shows that all can ride in the city and enjoy all weathers:
What type of a cyclist am I ? I'm one who will not cycle in London because
a) I do not want to breathe in toxic fumes, when exercising
b) as Dave says, I do not want to end up under the wheels of a lorry ( a while back I was knocked off my moped by a lorry, that didn't see me and didn't stop; it was overtaking me and cut in too soon.No one helped me and I've walked or used the bus since then )
Big trucks should be banned from the LEZ from 6.30 - 23.00 unless they obtain a permit. These could be issued for essential journeys only, such as building works, and house movng. Deliveries can be done in the early morning. There could be truck parks outside the zone (plenty of room in Cranford, for example) where smaller vans could be hired to take in small goods. I object to massive lorries turning up in my street to deliver a washing machine.
I'm the type of cyclist that prefers the tow path of the Regents Canal which, incidentally, needs quite a bit of repair to make it safe, but rather fall in the canal, maybe, than die under a lorry.
Rest in Peace the lovely research student that lost her life under a lorry, while going about her
Yes, it's a beginning, but things seem to move slowly.
We can make certain areas for cyclists and pedestrians only, NOW. For example,tourist areas from Charing Cross to Buckingham Palace and Oxford Circus, can be blocked to most traffic during daylight hours; this worked extremely well during the 2002 Golden Jubilee celebrations and can surely work for more extended times.
The bottom of the Haymarket is now a nightmare of stacked up buses AT ALL TIMES because of Pall Mall being made two way again.
Why do private people and big trucks have to be in that area ?
Can buses and taxis be eliminated too ? It's just a very small area, and with the quietening down,
tourists may opt to walk more or ride the Boris Bikes. We need a lot more areas to be bikes and pedestrians only NOW, not after 5 year's of study (which will have constantly changing statistics anyway) Spend the money on DOING,, not procrastination, Thanks
Hi naillig, thanks for your post. On the point about access to central London for lorries and trucks, The Mayor’s Vision for Cycling in London outlines a number of measures to increase cyclist safety in relation to this. This includes improving lorry driver awareness through training and education as well as ensuring that lorries and vans are fitted with safety equipment to protect cyclists.
The plan is also to build on the experience of the Olympic Games, where peak-hour lorry movements were substantially reduced, to work out how we can get HGVs out of traffic at the busiest times of day, when they are most likely to come into conflict with cyclists.
In consultation with business, experience from cities such as Paris and Dublin will also be studied, where lorries over a certain size are restricted from certain parts of the city or at certain times of the day. Furthermore, eight full-time Metropolitan Police officers are being funded as part of the Commercial Vehicle Unit who investigate HGV collisions with cyclists. They will work to establish patterns – whether particular operators, locations, or types of lorry are disproportionately involved in cycle accidents – which can then be used for targeted enforcement.
In addition, a cross-London network of high-quality guided Quietways will be created on low-traffic back streets and other routes so different kinds of cyclists can choose the routes which suit them. Unlike the old London Cycle Network, Quietways will be direct, better-surfaced and they will be clearly signed, mostly on the road itself, making it impossible to lose your way.
I hope that's all interesting and helpful stuff. Do you think it will go a long way to make the roads safer for cyclists?
Happy new year and thanks for all of your posts and comments so far.
I wanted to draw your attention to this, a new blog post we've added on Transport for London's current consultations on cycle superhighways: http://talklondon.london.gov.uk/getting-about/cycle-friendly-city/discus...
We've outlined some of the key ideas being put forward - please do feel free to comment in our linked discussion thread (it should link you straight to it at the end).
I cycle over Tower Bridge to Wapping every day from London Bridge Station. New storage facilities at London Bridge would be a big improvement - they were removed in July for the Olympics and nothing has replaced them since - and a cycle lane (as part of the pavement perhaps?) over Tower Bridge so I don't have to take my life in my hands cycling on the inside of buses and lorries on what is a very narrow bridge. It would also be useful to create a lane along the Highway- the pavement is amply wide enough for the very few people who walk along it to put one there.
Considering that Vodaphone got away with not paying around 5 billion in Tax and Starbucks a billion to name but a few!!!...Maybe if Starbucks were "persuaded" to put that billion into cycle ways....Proper cycle ways that are high level and partitioned off from cars....Starbucks would get a lot of free advertising we would get a lot less White bikes on street corners with flowers on.......I just think that it will take the death of some top celebrity or politician on a bike for their to be changes.....This mayor and the DOT just have no stomach or willingness to do something radical .....
There's some similar thinking to yours over on the road congestion discussion in our Daily Travel topic (link below). A Talk London member there has suggested that bus and cycle lanes together in his area don't work for either mode of transport - and that he feels that many of these roads should have one or the other -http://talklondon.london.gov.uk/getting-about/daily-travel/discussions/c...
Interesting about the mayors idea about a cycling corridor through London in the London evening standard today. But it still isn't traffic free..The mayor needs to bash some heads in the DOT and say that there needs to be at least one traffic free route through London. If that means closing a road to traffic then so be it...I remember being on road protests during the 90's and recall someone in government saying "more roads generate more traffic" ...Its thus reasonable to think that "more cycle lanes will generate more cycles"....I'm sure it would....
In answer to you question on possible cycle lanes my ideas range from the very expensive to simply costly. That said when considering how much per year is spent on new roads and road repair cycling gets a pittance. That is mainly because it is still viewed by most of those in power as merely an amusing almost eccentric way to go to work undertaken by a few hardy souls and not a possible serious travel option for the many. Fundamentally there are three types of people when it comes to cycling. Ten per cent who will never get on a bike and would rather eat their mum than sacrifice their car (those people we can forget) Ten percent who will always cycle even if the roads of London were littered with IED's. That leaves 80 percent who are that untapped mass who might never have been on a bike before (and lets face it in London at the moment who can blame them if they never do)......If as adults they can be persuaded to cycle to work they will encourage their children and so forth...I don't believe its an effective use of funds to focus on encouraging children to cycle...It should start with adults and use the trickle down effect. I occasionally take the 25 bus into London a journey that used to take one hour but a few weeks ago took nearly two hours. London is slowing up and traffic is getting worse ...The people on that bus are part of the 80 percent and would cycle if they knew that they could get on a bike and get to work safely with a safe place to park their bike at the other end. It thus comes down to cycle lanes and cycle storage. I possibly waste far too much of my time walking (you see more potential for cycle routes walking than on a bike...i find anyway) around London seeing where a new route could go .....The best and first place has to be the side of the mainline into Liverpool street. Starting at mile end park a small bridge could lead up to the side of the railway line where for about 3 quarters of the route from mile end park to Bricklane there is enourmous potential to simply place a tarmac path and potentially have it covered as well. For the remaining quarter some sort of structure would need to be built over some derelict land and workshops.....Access would be by ramps and there is ample space for a few of them on the route. The route ends at Bricklane near Liverpool street though potentially could go on further depending on whats happening with that new office and residential development that is supposed to be happening on the site of the old Broadgate goods yard (or is it broadstreet ?) ....Anyway.....that's one of many but i wont bore you
This is really interesting Dave, and Crouch - thank you.
Not at all boring! Feel free to share other route ideas here. Others may also have ideas to share.
I use my bike for everything - cycling to work, to and from friends houses and to the shops. On the whole it's quicker, more convenient, cheaper and I always appreciate an extra calorie burning opportunity! I love that London is becoming increasingly cyclist friendly (and I really think it is!) but of course there is still lots to be done - more cycle lanes would be amazing, especially in busy parts of town, and making sure those cycle lanes are well maintained and don't end abruptly and are regulated more heavily (i.e. keeping cars out!).
I personally do cycle now because of my age,where possible the bus lane should be enough not doing away with a whole traffic lane where there is another route like the embankment.
Hi Crouch, Dave and Amy,
Thank you for your contributions.
Your input into Talk London will be shared directly with the relevant policy teams. Talk London is the Greater London Authority's means of gathering opinion and ideas to help steer the big policy decisions of the future. Safety concerns are key to this particular discussion - and your input is actively sought and much appreciated.
The question of when and why people cycle can help lead us into an exploration of how cycling conditions in London can realistically be improved.
Very interested to hear more about the drawings you've done Dave.
Where would you all say there need to be more cycle routes?
Talk London Community Manager
What type of cyclist am I?...I'm a cyclist who is relieved to get home at night alive and not under the wheels of a lorry. I'm a cyclist who spends time in coffee shops (not Starbucks!!!)....drawing plans of where cycles lanes could go and thinking how wonderful it would be if we had a mayor who actually did something about cycling rather that bluster about and think that by being entertaining is the sure way to get elected next time.....I'm a cyclist who looks at the paint stripping off the cycle super highways and no one repainting and then think how Barclays has fleeced the mayor by getting a lot of free advertising for not much in return ...I'm a cyclist who wonders whats the point of this Talk London ....Is anyone in city hall actually going to do anything?....cycling solves so many problems but there is no will by the people in power so more of us on two wheels will simply end up dead or too scared to ever venture on the roads
Please put some proper lights on the public bikes.