13 Appliances (Supplementary) [1]

Session date: 
December 17, 2014
Question By: 
James Cleverly
GLA Conservatives
Asked Of: 
The Mayor


James Cleverly AM:  Mr Mayor, it seems to be the fashion today to accuse various people around the Chamber of being liars.  I will give Dr Twycross the opportunity to clarify her point.  My question to you, Mr Mayor, is whether you noticed that in her initial questioning she said that there was a Conservative proposal to remove 13 appliances and then later on in her questioning she said, “It is on record here.  The Conservatives have put forward a motion to review”.  Although the words both begin with ‘R’, there is a massive difference between ‘remove’ and ‘review’. 


In discharging our duty as the body tasked with protecting Londoners, do you not feel that it is sensible to look at all options or do you think that the Labour Party’s ‘head in the sand’ attitude to the running of the London Fire Brigade is an appropriate one?

Supplementary To: 


Answer for 13 Appliances (Supplementary) [1]

Answer for 13 Appliances (Supplementary) [1]

Answered By: 
The Mayor

Boris Johnson (Mayor of London):  What you say is entirely right.  There clearly is no proposal to remove those fire appliances.  I look forward to you and Fiona [Fiona Twycross AM] working hand-in-glove to help the fire brigade to continue their outstanding record of success whilst managing their budgets as efficiently as possible and to review all arrangements at all times and in all places, which is your job. 


James Cleverly AM:  Thank you.  Would you - as I would - welcome, I am sure, a clarification from Dr Twycross and an explanation that she was inadvertently wrong to use the word ‘remove’ when she first accused the Conservatives of putting forward a motion to remove these 13 appliances?


Boris Johnson (Mayor of London):  I am sure she would want to make that very important clarification now.


James Cleverly AM:  I invite her so to do.


Roger Evans AM (Chairman):   Hang on.  I will invite people to do things here.


Boris Johnson (Mayor of London):  Yes.


Roger Evans AM (Chairman):  Assembly Member Bacon, you were indicating earlier.  Are you wishing to come in?


Gareth Bacon AM:  No --


Roger Evans AM (Chairman):  No, good.  Assembly Member Twycross?


Fiona Twycross AM:  Do I need to stand up to make this clarification?  I am not quite sure of the rules.


Roger Evans AM (Chairman):  It depends if you want to make it into a question, which is probably the better way to approach it.


Fiona Twycross AM:  No, can you stop the clock because I was basically accused by James Cleverly of misrepresenting the fact that 13 ‑‑


James Cleverly AM:  It is a point of personal explanation--


Roger Evans AM (Chairman):  That is not a point --


Fiona Twycross AM:  It is a point of personal explanation.  James was not at the meeting at which this was discussed and at which the Conservative Members were quite clear that they thought that it was an easy way to solve the budget problem.  It would represent a major reconfiguration, which the Mayor has said he does not want.  I wanted to get clarification over whether that was intended or had been planned or whether they were just talking about it as if it was something easy to do.  It was very clear from the discussion in the Resources Committee that they thought it was an easy way that we could solve the budget problem.  We are confident we can do that without it.  We just wanted the Mayor’s reassurance that he was not planning or endorsing any further major reconfiguration of fire services in London.


Roger Evans AM (Chairman):  That is on record.


Boris Johnson (Mayor of London):  As far as I understand that clarification, it is an acceptance that there was no proposal from the Conservative Group to remove the fire appliances.


Fiona Twycross AM:  No, that was not.  There was a proposal.  There was a proposal.


Roger Evans AM (Chairman):  Colleagues, people will read the record of this Assembly meeting and draw their own conclusions.


Fiona Twycross AM:  Thank you.


Boris Johnson (Mayor of London):  We will just amalgamate --


Roger Evans AM (Chairman):  Assembly Member Tracey?


Richard Tracey AM:  Yes, Chairman, I have a point of order.  A few moments ago when my colleague Victoria Borwick raised the night running of the Northern line Tubes, Assembly Member Dismore said that they would not be running north of Camden Town.  We have had confirmation from TfL itself that the Northern line night Tubes will be running on both branches north of Camden Town.  Perhaps Assembly Member Dismore might like to apologise to the Assembly and indeed to the travelling public of London.


Roger Evans AM (Chairman):  Again, that is not really a point of order or a point of personal information, but it will be read into the record.