Joanne McCartney AM: I was just going to pick up on something you said earlier, that when we are changing any aspect of the health system it is essential that we build the trust and confidence of the public and patients. We have all been out supporting our local hospitals that are at risk of closure, and it is very emotive when you talk about changing healthcare provision. I know from my experience of ChaseFarm, for example, that one of the requirements of the Independent Reconfiguration Panel was that primary care and access to primary and community care had to be dramatically improved before the A&E services went. As far as the public in Enfield are concerned, the A&E was taken away before those promises had actually been kept. We would say that that community healthcare is not good enough even now.
Can I just add, given that - I can see some of you nodding at that - is there a case for actually having a programme of upfront investment in primary and community care before you take away A&E and other services? It seems to me only that way will you actually convince the public that the alternative provision is actually there in the first place.